Are the latest revealed sexist comments by Trump defensible?

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   Ericdierkerposted 8 years ago

   Are the latest revealed sexist comments by Trump defensible?
   
   It would appear that they are not defensible to good folks. They may even rise to what some would call sinful. I have heard a whole lot worse things. In fact I have heard them a whole lot. Locker rooms and bars for sure. A few fellows talking for sure. I really cannot remember saying such type of stuff myself. But I just cannot swear that I did not. But one thing is for certain, I have heard women speak just like it about men. I think it is worth discussion. Let us see who can cast the first stone.

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   You're right in saying that this kind of conversation is said in locker rooms and bars between many guys & women every day or night of the week. Nevertheless it's not defensible.
   Just because something is common doesn't make it right.
   My guess is some of the "evangelical voters" may decide to stay home. They're not going to suddenly vote for Hillary Clinton.
   Trump couldn't afford to lose anymore demographics.
   He already was doing worse than Mitt Romney with (women, blacks, Latinos, Asians,  and college educated voters)
   If the "evangelical voters" splinter he can't expect to win.
   The odds of a (non politician) getting elected to the highest office in the land in the modern era was a long shot to begin with!
   It's impossible to defend lines like these from a would be president.
   "I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.” “And when you’re a star, they let you do it,”
   Trump says. “You can do anything.”
   “Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

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      Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hey thanks for laying out just what was said. "Son, if all your buddies are getting drunk and driving should you?" POTUS Carter spoke of lust without action being a sin. But admitted to having it. Good stuff to ponder. Thanks for your response.

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   ptosisposted 8 years ago

   After hearing that conversation and then when walking out of the bus and  being greeted by the woman - I would have been embarrassed and angry.
   
   If you are a either a woman,  non-white, over-weight, not rich, and you support Trump, then you are in complete denial if you support Trump.

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      Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting. I reckon I deserve such responses. This does have a category portion regarding politics. I was hoping for more of the concept of social morality, not an attack on the man but rather a discussion in general about a reality.

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years ago

   Eric
   Trump has been a presidential candidate for over 20 months, and now these are in issue. I don't think it is worth a discussion 20 months later. You are falling prey to the social re-engineering of the media.
   
   All the religious people lost their power when the PC and the left ran over them like a steam roller.
   
   Bill and Hillary Clinton have over 30 years in the public office committing acts of all sorts, and the media flicks them off, but they stick to Trump like glue. You are being played.
   
   There are 2 choices, make one and move on? If you don't make one then you didn't vote?
   
   The 1st Amendment Religion is under attack and you and your religious groups are losing.
   
   Remember, whatever Trump did, it was as a private citizen, while the Clintons did it representing the government.
   
   Put Trump's statements in context and timing. Being religious on the surface but not inside gives you Jimmy Swaggart. Maybe you might want to write him in on the ballot.
   
   Seriously Eric, you can do better.

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      Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Again, another political answer to what I meant as social mores question. I suppose, my bad, but I don't think we have category about social issues that does not include politics -- interesting. Seems this issue cannot be discussed without....

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Eric
      Politics is social. As you would tell me this question is ridiculous.

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   junksellerposted 8 years ago

   I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in America at least, we very often talk about, and perceive, issues as individuals. And as individuals, it is problematic to condemn Trump, because as you suggest, we are all flawed.
   
   However, we do not exist only as individuals. We exist as a part of a group. We exist as a Democracy. We have chosen to be a part of something that is bigger than ourselves.
   
   As a group, we can not be burdened by the limitations of individuality. We must set goals and aspire to be better then we are and we have a duty to those aspirations even if we ourselves fall a little short.
   
   So the matter at hand isn't individuals measuring themselves up against each other. The matter at hand is that few, if any, individuals of our group really find what he did acceptable and as we set about choosing someone to represent us all, we have to ask them to live up, not to ourselves, but to (what should be) the lofty goals of the collective.
   
   And Donald Trump does not. Not by a longshot.

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      Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Very clean logic, I like it. But it presupposes an alternative that is more virtuous to us as One Nation. I agree that to say we cannot judge because we have faults, is only to make us step back and discern. Are actions more important than words?

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   It is not as bad as the revelations that Hillary Clinton not only defended a child rapist she knew was guilty (girl was 12) but laughed about it in later discussions and never apologized for smearing the victim.

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