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   Misfit Chickposted 8 years ago

   Reason for Hillary supporters to (eventually) celebrate: realizations will inspire which changes?
   
   I've got a couple hot election questions going; but it is true that 'life goes on' and we've learned a LOT about the views of our neighbors & people across our country. One thing, we're more divided now than we ever were for apparently many different reasons. Which ones concern you the most; and what do you think would help address that issue? For example, the way young, uneducated white men & women voted against themselves based on hyped lies: the media & mysogyny have both been targets of mine for a while - plus, I've added religious (and anti-religious) fanatics. Got any high goals?
   
   

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   jackclee lmposted 8 years ago

   From your comment, it seems you may not have learned the message from this election. Half the country voted against your candidate... they are not all "white men & women uneducated...
   The people who needs to learn are the Media elites, the Hollywood elites, the academia elites, the political pundits and pollsters elites who "in their mind" thinks they know what is better than the American people. They have been proven to be on the wrong track in the minds of half the country.
   What hyped lies do you think have been created and by whom?
   What religious fanatics?
   Time for self reflection...

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      Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      First, it doesn't seem like you've been seeing the same questions or articles as I have with regards to 'what religious fanatics' LoL! Your point was my point: we learned a LOT about others. What hyped lies? WAS the election rigged?!! Only 250 chrcts

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      MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Trump said from the very beginning that the election was rigged. I guess we should believe him.

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      Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      MizBejabbers, you are so right.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   That Trump won as a result of liberals tolerating the intolerant in their midst, the social justice warriors. People sided with Trump in response to the illiberal bullies, the authoritarians who said "agree with me or shut up, endorse me or I'll attack you because your words equal assault".
   Liberals have to stop cloaking themselves in a mantle of rational, good, smart, tolerant and "othering" conservatives as irrational, stupid, phobic, stupid, evil.
   This labeling of themselves as perfect and opposition as at best uneducated and worst evil was lazy and simplistic. It let them smear and ignore all opposition as insane or evil, but it also silenced any rational discussions. For example, "1/6 of men are out of the workforce, shouldn't we stop immigration until we resolve real unemployment" gets you called racist. Feminists who brought up concerned on 1/5 rape stats conflict with the idea of letting mentally ill biologically intact men into women's showers and shelters are called transphobic bigots, the safety of women is secondary to the feelings of the more sexually exotic. Try to discuss the 3/4 of Muslims in the West who support Shariah law tenets like suppression of freedom of speech and supporting making homosexual illegal, get called Islamophobic. Point out the regression accommodating Muslims bring, like segregation of the sexes, tolerating THEIR rape culture and forced marriages, and you're called a bigot instead of the Muslims. The disabled woman gang raped by Muslim migrants in I think the Netherlands and feminists marched against Islamophobia instead of the victim is an extreme but common example of this problem.
   
   When you silence rational discussion of serious problems, people have two choices - support the extreme ideologue or violence. People picked the rational solution out of those two - Brexit/Ukip and Trump.
   
   If liberalism wants to regain any social acceptability and a place at the table, it has to rein in its totalitarian bullies and tolerate dissenting views instead of reflexive namecalling, moral grandstanding and violence in the name of good.

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      Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "rein in its totalitarian bullies and tolerate dissenting views" Again, you really don't see the one-sidedness of your arguments do you, T? You're frustrated with the media & totalitarian bullies - then stop listening to them. Damn I hate the med

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hard to ignore the liberal bullies when they are screaming in your face, a digital hate mob, threatening events you've attended.

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      Ivan Todposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara, with people being told to "suffer ye not..) for millennia it's no wonder you're forced to confront such arcaic minded people. We know the source of the problem & even so, as long as the arcaic source prevails so will the problems assoc. w

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      tamarawilhiteposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Liberal social justice has become a cult, to quote Sargon of Akkad, invested with religious fervor. Hence the passion, ability to threaten harm to critics, rallying of liberal hate mobs.

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      MizBejabbersposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tamara, Trump wasn't open to rational discussion. He dictated, pontificated, and shouted names at "nasty women" all the way through. He is no better than the Muslims you are describing.

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      Ceegenposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, he is better than the Islamic doctrine of female subjugation. Read the Quran for yourself and get educated on what it really teaches, don't rely on what other people say about it. The "religion of peace" is only so when Islam rules the world.

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   Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years ago

   Catherine, what concerns me the most is that people who voted against their own best interest.
   i.e. the ones who voted to allow the destruction of people who will soon become seniors: 
   1. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will be gone. 
   2. The Affordable Care Act will be gone.  After the 53rd time of attempting to overturn AFC (Obama Care) so the insurance companies can pick only healthy individuals without existing conditions and they can raise the premiums so high that only the rich can afford.
   3. President Obama was denied his Constitutional Right to appoint a Supreme Court Justice, so that the GOP could destroy anything they want now that they have Total Control. That is CORRUPTION!
   4. Roe V Wade, will be overturned. Any female, even a child who becomes pregnant even from incest, rape or no matter the risk to the life of the pregnant female or the fetus will be taken into consideration.  I don't any believe any man has a right to say what rights a woman has over her health.
   5. Planned Parenthood will be defunded, because it provides healthcare of all kinds mostly to women and some men will be forced to shut down because the people who now have total control want to be able to say who can and cannot have any kind of health care.
   6. Total Power corrupts Totally and this new regime will be starting out in corruption.
   7. The fact that Hillary won the popular vote does matter.  One of your commenters, who joined 10 yrs ago, but does not have one hub; does not have a profile picture; does not have one follower; does not say where he is from, presumes to imply that the lies and smears perpetrated against Hillary Clinton are true and the people who have followed her life long career are wrong. 
   To this person: better hope that you will not need Social Security and Medicare to live when you do, because your Gods will have taken it away.

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      Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for making a list. There R many things people just didn't consider based only on their fear-based, religious dogmas - the rest just variations of spite. Dems were divided at the start: next election (& next 4 years) will be very revealing.

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      Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Catherine, the next four years will tell the tale.
      Sorry I got 2 jackclee(s) mixed up and the one who commented does have hubs/picture/followers but the rest of the comment stands.

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      Readmikenowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what funniest here.  "Medicaid, Medicare, SSI Gone"...alleged since the 1980s...still here.  My favorite is "Constitutional Right to appoint supreme court justice." That's great. Show me where that is in the Constitution. Please.

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      Ken Burgessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "Total Power corrupts Totally and this new regime will be starting out in corruption"  We learned that during Obama's first two years... when they rammed Obamacare through despite some 75% of America not wanting it, just like they don't want TPP, etc

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      Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      KB - try reading the constitution, it is very interesting, that is where I read that the sitting president picks a replacement Supreme Court Justice.

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      Readmikenowposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Article Two of the Constitution states a president can “nominate” a Supreme Court justice.  The Senate confirms them. NO, the POTUS doesn't get to pick a Supreme Court justice, only nominate them.

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   Ken Burgessposted 8 years ago

   "Its the economy stupid..."  which James Carville had coined as a campaign strategist of Bill Clinton's successful 1992 presidential campaign against sitting president George H. W. Bush.
   
   That is what this was about. Plain. Simple.
   
   All this stuff about hate, sexism, racism... many on the left love to fling that against whatever Republican is running... doesn't really matter who... that's the ugly part of politics, Hillary played up the "woman card", Obama played up the "race card" and if you feel that also worked in reverse to garner Trump some support from the "white man card"  that's how it works when you play those games rather than focusing on the real issues that people care most about... jobs, taxes, being able to support their families.
   
   There is a lot on the line TPP, Obamacare, NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, H1-B, H2-B, etc. the American Middle class is tired of footing the bill, losing jobs, never getting a raise, higher health care costs, etc. ... they voted for change... they voted for the person promising to do away with all these anti-American-worker trade agreements, taxes, and regulations.
   
   That was why Trump won.  Sorry if you think it was about race, or sex... he won in spite of those things, and all the people who thought that having the first Woman was the most important thing in the election... it wasn't, and never will be to the majority, not when they are worrying about how to care for their families and put food on the table.

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      Shyron E Shenkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "It's still the economy stupid" is the title of a book pinned by Paul Begala, I recommend it highly, so I am sure you will never read it, but it is chocked full of facts.

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   threekeysposted 8 years ago

   Here in Australia our media keeps portraying the chaos in our World. As your now ex President, Barack Obama, said in his interview this morning, the sun rose this morning. We too, then, will have an another tomorrow.
   
   After watching your candidancy battle makes me think we ALL need to work at being consistent and going within to do our bit in being an active peacemaker rather than a chaotic disruptive, in our little corner of the world, in our everyday life.
   
   To me America needed a change of some kind. How that change takes shape and form is another matter and yet to be seen. But I agree with Hillary Clinton, you owe Trump a chance to do good. Go with an open mind.
   
   I think all of you in the USA and us in the other part of the world, need to believe that just maybe something good is blossoming within; and you need to nurture it, by sticking with people who share your concept of integrity.
   
   Thinking of you all.

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   Ceegenposted 8 years ago

   When in doubt, blame the racist-uneducated-misogynistic white male?
   
   Lame.
   
   Trump got elected because he disturbed the stagnant waters, which became stagnant after 8 years of a do-nothing administration. Hillary was a big part of that, making herself visible in an attempt to set up for a presidential run. She telegraphed hard, and her problem was that people DID pay attention. Between her own scandals and those of her husband, I'm not surprised by what happened. Lots of people didn't want Hillary as president because she's a terrible person, and enough of them voted to make sure she didn't get it. Perhaps next time you can support a person who isn't as scandal-ridden as Hillary? Isn't as power-hungry?
   
   And to be clear, I didn't vote this election cycle. I thought that the choices boiled down to choosing cancer over AIDS, and the lesser of two evils is still evil. No thank you.
   
   Hillary's worst enemy was Hillary, plain and simple.

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