Genbetic Homosexuality -Vs- Evolutionary Biology
Sure he did. But this is the correct answer.
Are you suggesting it is
well, yeah!
I don't question paths that others take or choose as that is theirs and nothing to do with me.
That lifestyle is between them and the *Man Upstairs*. All that matters to me is they are real.It is a topic my sons are not overly enthused with either but they accept the same answer as mine. I guess it is a curiosity to the young, why do such contradictions exist? but, my own children were not brought up in the church either so maybe makes accepting my answer easier for them. Why worry about something we have no control over?
What about all the gay men who had children and then realized they were gay after? Or were persuaded to become gay by liberal atheist dolphin haters?
Will their children be gay - or does it skip a generation?Why are you so concerned anyway? It is OK to be gay. No one here will think any less of you if you come out of the closet. Many are persuaded to deny their true selves by religionists - keep on telling them it is a choice and wrong - I am sure you were told that. Now it is OK - You are amongst friends.
Not sure you are using the term "illogic" correctly unless you are blind to the homophobic religionists shouting that homosexuality is against their religion.
Oh wait..........so that's why he's so angry...
LOL
It takes a long time for a change in evolution. Give it another few hundred thousand years and your wishes will have come true.
It is only you religionists holding the process back - keep on persuading a few gay men they should really have kids.
Guess what? They pass the gay gene on.
It is all your fault is has not already died out as a trait.
There is no proof to prove Evolution biology has anything to do with homosexuality.
There is also no proof that it stems from genetics.
It is a sexual preference and a choice.
However, irrational the choice is, it is still a choice.
Those who claim that they have felt it since birth, would be speaking an untruth, because a person's sexual preference only comes from experience of both genders, then they make a choice, as to which they prefer.
How they arrive at their decision? Or what makes them choose those of the same sex is completely unknown and might never be known.I started typing up a long response and then decided just to write a hub. Give me an hour or so and I hope you'll find some food for thought.
Sorry, Kerry - I was typing a response as you posted this. I look forward to the Hub
Here it is!
http://hubpages.com/hub/Is-the-existenc … -evolution
Off to read yours.
OK. I'll have a go.
The problem is not whether same-sex attraction can be passed on, because as long as someone with an inclination for same-sex attraction has sex with someone of the opposite sex, then there is no mystery re: it being passed on.
So, the question would have to be how is it that people with homosexual tendencies had heterosexual sex.
Of course social pressures including the pressure to get married have existed for millenia, so there is no problem explaining a perpuation over time of this inclination (people were pressured into opposite-sex marriage).
But presumably homosexual tendencies existed before the development of a complex institution such as marriage.
None of this is problematic however as long as homosexuality was always in fact BI-sexuality.
So, the question is really: How come homosexuals are not all bi-sexual?
And now you are asking how a man could not be attracted to women... which is really not my territory...this is why those "gay deprogrammers" think they can just subject someone to an intensive ordeal to "degay" them, since, in their minds, homosexuality is a "choice". this is also why some men look at a beautiful lesbian and say "one night with me, baby, and i'll turn you straight"
my brother is gay, and he knew from a very early age that he was gay. he said he always felt that way from as far back as he could remember. children aren't sexual, so how could it be a choice? if we assume that gay people make a choice to be gay, then we have to assume straight people make a choice to be straight.
see, me, i knew from an early age that i was straight. even though as i grew, i found myself occasionally attracted to a sexy, scantily-clad female on TV, i never felt i was gay. i love men. i think women are interesting, and every once in a while, i see or meet a woman who stirs sexual feelings in me, so maybe i am bisexual, although i don't think i am. sometimes i meet a woman who really comes onto me like a man does, and i'm all, hmm...what is she seeing in me that makes her think she can flirt with me?
TM, for clarification, when you say "genetic" do you mean to say that people are born gay? it may not be genes - it may be some other factor that influences whether or not a person is gay, although i do not believe it is a choice.
Me too ?
This certainly is a cutting-edge area of research and cannot be explained in forum posts - you really are going to have to do a little research on this one. Evolution and sexual selection is much more complex than simply looking at parent to child inheritance. It also involves society as a whole and takes into account social factors. In condensed form:
Firstly, current knowledge suggests that , whilst genes play a factor in homosexuality, upbringing also plays a part, as does the level of male and female hormones in the mother during pregnancy. It is nature with a little nurture although, as Tantrum said, it may be a choice for some.
So, to answer your evolutionary point, there are a number of distinct possibilities:
Possibility 1: The gene for homosexuality confers other advantages, such as higher sperm mobility and better success in attracting mates. Sexuality is rarely an either/or situation and somebody who is ‘more’ homosexual is also more likely to attract females. Therefore, the homosexuality gene can be advantageous, in evolutionary terms. Dominant/recessive genes relationships ensure that it is never a clear cut case - as with most human behaviour, homosexuality is a spectrum.
Possibility 2: There is the issue of ‘kin survival.’ The passing down of genes is not always limited to direct parent-child transfer (Descendent Kin). Families also pass genes and ,as with many animals (Meerkats, Primates, Golden Moles as just three off the top of my head), families are all involved in raising the children of the dominant pair(Non-Descendent Kin). If homosexuality confers other social advantages, such as negotiating access to resources, then it will persist in a population.
Possibility 3: If men with a tendency towards homosexual behaviour have children, they are better at nurturing them and their offspring are much more likely to survive. Therefore, the gene continues to be passed down.
There are other possibilities covered in the links below:
http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogi … uality.pdf - A useful paper highlighting some of the reasons for homosexuality conferring selection advantages.
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ … /3031.full - An academic paper with an exploration of the reasons why such a trait is passed down.
http://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream/22 … an_Biology(2006).pdf - A readable paper with information about the vast spectrum of sexual behaviour in animals and humans.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2427196/ - Has a lot of mathematics but with an excellent list of resources to follow.
After all of that, I agree with Tantrum - Personally, I do not give a crap. Live and let liveGreat post, sufi! I added one of those links to my new hub.
Too bad somebody made up his mind before he asked the question.Thanks, Kerry - it looks like he had.
Talking of your Hub, it looks like we caught a live one...
well, i don't think anyone here is qualified to give any scientific explanation regarding any of this. all we have are our opinions, based on our own experience.
"research" for a forum post? who does that.
why do you ask, anyway? someone else posted a thread last week or so asking the same thing. i asked him why he wondered and he never answered...Far from sweeping things under the carpet, I just gave you some of the latest research but, obviously, you are the one who chooses to sweep it under the carpet because it does not fit your narrow, predefined view of the world. You asked for the opinions of biologists but you then chose to ignore them.
Not much point continuing, reallyAgain, the sources (peer-reviewed) that I gave showed that it is largely genetic and also reasons why it confers an evolutionary advantage.
For the record, I was a biologist for many years and I like to think that I am honesthehe - I am fully aware that I was wasting my time but, using your favoured tactic, others will read this thread, the provided sources and Kerry's soon-to-be finished Hub
The guy is not interested in proof, even when it is served on a plate. Search for 'Gay Gene' in Google Scholar, and there is plenty of 'proof.' Try a normal Google search and it throws up religious sites - that is all the 'proof' he needs
AdsenseStrategies had the best answer, though - we should be way beyond trying to pick the thing apart
Thanks cosette
that's good enough for me!
Hypocrisy.
what a word !
I can't find the 'hypocrisy' in MK posts.
I'm looking forward to your next bit of a .... how can I call it ?'k, i am choosing to be gay today.
i will let you all know how that pans out.
That is untrue. Sufi has it right and anyone who wants to know will see that.
There is all the proof in the world! Sites that were written by obvious god botherers TM who are naturally homophobes.
So having a homophobic belief. (blatantly obvious to anyone who has read your other threads,) you start yet another religious thread and tie it to another one of your "sins"
You make me wanna puke! A 5 year old could see through you!
It'll make a lot of hot women attracted to women very happy.
Here is my original response - note the use of words such as 'suggests' and 'possibility.'
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