Mueller indicts 13 Russians for election meddling

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   Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

   Donnie can no longer deny--I'm sorry, shouldn't deny--the Russians meddled in our election. A 37 page indictment listed ways and means the Russians used social media, Paypal, and an American to set up bank accounts and spent over a million dollars a month in their successful quest to hurt Clinton and help Trump during the election.
   
   The Buffoon-In Chief claims the indictment clears his campaign of any collusion which it certainly does not. Another lie from the Chief is no big deal to those who voted for him and neither is the news of another extramarital affair with a Playboy Playmate back in 2006. Oh that's right, it was before he found Jesus....     

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      Eastwardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The indictment certainly makes things more interesting. I am especially curious to read that the operations allegedly supported Bernie Sanders as well. With a Trump win, I can easily see the opportunity to create (more) unrest in the US political system. I'm not as sure if there would have been as much to gain with a Sanders win.
      
      And religion in politics, that's a whole different ball of wax :\

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         PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It surprises me that the KGB was able to topple Clintons political ambitions by using a Facebook page. I was almost sure it was 300 million Americans that hated her guts with a passion for the last 2 decades. I thought for sure that Andrea Mitchell and the Chuck Todds of the entire msm industry with the help of Soros or Sauron w/e would somehow find a way, a path, to drag the hag across the finish line

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            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            What have I told you about trying to think, Phoenix? 

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               PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               So did Jericho and old Abe pull the Po bus outa the crik and into the forum?

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                  PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  The subtle, perhaps even unplanned nuance or detail in the story. Where the mule hears the child in distress and want to go to him. The detail being, the old man listens to the mule's reactions or desire. Marvelous story.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Thanks Phoenix, long time no see!

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            Eastwardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I'm still seeing social media calls for HRC 2020

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               Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Probably the Russians again since Trump has been exposed so easily. They may want to back a smarter candidate this time.

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                  Eastwardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  A smart candidate would be great. Please Santa, also one willing to put the good of the country above corporate interests.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     I can agree with you on that, Eastward!

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Oops!  Trump has been exposed?  All I've read is that a bunch of Russians have been indicted (not sure what good that is expected to do as they are not subject to American law) - not a single American and certainly not Trump. 
                  
                  So how was Trump "exposed"?  Just that Russians secretly did things without his knowledge - that he was incorrect in saying that they did nothing to affect the election?  Somehow I don't think we can (reasonably) call that exposing Trump of doing anything at all; after all, it only took the FBI something over a year of intense investigation to find it!
                  
                  But of course being "reasonable" isn't the goal, now is it?

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                     PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Trump said the investigation into Russian meddling in the election was a hoax. That turned out to be false.
                     
                     Let's wait and see what else turns out to be false. Cuz, ya know, Trump is known for his forthright and selfless declarations of truth.

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        That's what I said, isn't it?  He was in error.
                        
                        But we can conclude that because he exaggerated or even lied in the past about other things, that because he should have known what it took the FBI over a year to find, it is a real, honest-to-god lie this time, right?  Or at least we can conclude that if we're not particularly interested in presenting a true picture ourselves...

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                     Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, Trump has been exposed as a consummate liar and philanderer who runs around on his wife with porn stars and Playboy Playmates when Melania just had Baron. He also is worried about the Mueller interview as well when he has to tell the truth. Something out of the ordinary for him.
                     
                     The indictments are only the beginning of the downfall of this corrupt and treasonous regime. Suppose you tell us why Trump didn't extend the sanctions on Russia, Dan. That oughta be entertaining!  
                     
                     And it didn't take over a year as some of this was known long before now.

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Are you off on another tangent again?  The question was just what was exposed re: Donald Trump?  That the Russians did something he knew nothing about and thus you can say he "lied" about it?

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                           Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           I didn't expect you to address my question, Dan. No one else can explain why Trump's kissing Pootie's butt on the sanctions and neither can you.  Other than Trump being in Putin's pocket, what other explanation can it be?

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              "Probably the Russians again since Trump has been exposed so easily. They may want to back a smarter candidate this time."
                              
                              I don't see any question mark here.  Was your formatting in error (did you lie when writing it)?  For that matter, there wasn't one here either!
                              
                              Gotta say, though, that it's always comical when you say you're ignorant about a reason, so will make one up and it must be proven false or it has to be true!

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 It's always comical when you deign to ignore a question you don't want to answer, as you did in your last few comments to me. What about the sanctions?

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               Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Oh good. That would mean another 4 years of Republicans in the White House.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  And another 4 years of Trump kissin' Pootie's butt! 

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                     Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Anyone ever tell you you have a potty mouth?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Nope, anyone ever tell you you're like Trump?

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                           PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           A reference to "Pootie's  butt" is potty mouth?  Where is my "bewildered face" icon? LOL

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      Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I seriously don't get the big deal here.  These were Russian citizens.  Under the Obama administration, actual TAXPAYER MONEY was used to try and influence the election in Israel.  Where was the investigation?
      
      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … netanyahu/
      
      Does anyone remember the reason for Mueller investigation was to prove "Collusion" between the Donald Trump campaign and the Russians.  This doesn't do it. 
      
      So, for those of you who can read and comprehend English here is the Mueller Indictment for your reading pleasure.  I've read it.
      
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43091945 
      
      "Beginning as early as 2014, Defendant ORGANIZATION began operations to interfere with the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election."
      
      Gee, guess who was president in 2014? 
      
      "Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and creating false U.S. personas, operated social media pages and groups designed to attract U.S. audiences. These groups and pages, which addressed divisive U.S. political and social issues, falsely claimed to be controlled by U.S. activists when, in fact, they were controlled by Defendants."
      
      So, having false identification on social media is it?  People do that for celebrities all the time.  Geeze.
      
      Oh, and by the way, the United States has tried to influence elections around the world.  This would include the Russian election held in 1996. Read all about it.
      
      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-us- … story.html
      
      Oh, this information will only play on the minds of those who can't see the big picture or aren't able to comprehend it.

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         Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So you're saying we should simply ignore those who try and influence our elections, Mike? I suppose you are since Trump was the beneficiary of the Russian meddling. I'd have liked to hear your protests if they helped HRC to win the election in 2016. The stench would be great!!

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You're saying that the purity of our souls gives us the right and even obligation to influence foreign elections, to turn the world as much as we can into another US?  That our innate superiority as Americans forbids others from doing what we do because they lack the required morals that we Americans are born with?
            
            The stench is indeed great.

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               Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               What about the sanctions, Dan? 4th time asking!

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            Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Randy, if you read the indictment, you'd be able to provide a much more thought provoking response.  You might see were Russians used their social media ability to organize anti-trump protests after the election.  HRC got help from the Ukrainian government.  She paid for a fake dossier from a foreign government.  Randy, how do you feel about the United States trying to influence the elections in other countries?  Obama used taxpayer dollars to try and influence the Israel election.  Does THAT upset you?  That is just one incident.

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      gmwilliamsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Donald is in KNEE DEEP on this one.  This indictment could lead to Donald's impeachment.......This is very grave, even egregious offense.  Donald NEVER found Jesus, if anything he found......SATAN.....

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   Our President:
   
   “Every time he sees me, he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,” Trump said of the Russian president, in a conversation with reporters Saturday morning onboard Air Force One. “But he says, ‘I didn’t do that.’ I think he is very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth. Don’t forget. All he said was he never did that, he didn’t do that. I think he is very insulted by it, which is not a good thing for our country.”
   
   
   
   
   Such a smart, tough guy. Making America great again!

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   Oh look, the "Russia hoax" turned out not to be a hoax. Do you suppose CNN's "fake news" will turn out to be real?
   
   

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I thought it was all about the dreaded and infamous "collusion" between Trump and the Russians?  Has that been put to bed finally, just as Obama's birth certificate was (except of course for a few radicals too stupid or uncaring to actually think about their claims)?

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         PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It ain't over 'til it's over. Trump and his campaign might be innocent of collusion. After all, we all know how patriotic, selfless, and honest they are.
         
         Time will tell.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Well, I guess that birth certificate flap is still alive and well...in the minds of some, anyway.  I'm pretty sure that when nothing is found the statement will be "Well, he just hid it too well to find!".

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               Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               The two far ends will never be able to see how alike they are.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Ain't it the truth!

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                  Eastwardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Agreed.

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               PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               A few crazies will say that. Most of us will accept the results of the investigation, whatever they might be.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  "Time will tell", won't it?  One day, in another year or in 10, the investigation will end and we'll know just how many "most" refers to.

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   Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

   This is going to be an unpopular comment but I'd like information on what avenues our country uses in its attempt to influence foreign elections. Is it similar to the Russian behavior? More, or less, pervasive?
   
   Just because we think we have the moral high ground in government styles...how different do we act while attempting to further our interests?

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You don't want to know.  Really.
      
      I don't know, but I would fall over dead to learn that we don't do the same thing, to the maximum extent we think we can get away with, in both friend and enemy's elections.  Not make fake posts on FB, but just general influence however we think might be effective.
      
      But outside the political reasons, I wonder just why those indictments were made?  Do they think the Russians are going to come to America and stand trial for doing something in Russia that violates American law? 

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         Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You do realize there are other countries we do have an extradition treaty with Dan, or do you? If any of those 13 travel to one of those countries, they are at risk of being extradited to the US. Not as harmless as you attempt to make it sound, Comrade!

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              And you think Russia will extradite their citizens for doing was is quite legal under Russian law, in Russia, to the US for violating US law on what foreigners can do in their own country!!??  You've got to be kidding!

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         PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It is troubling to me that Russia was able to "hack democracy" with a Facebook page. Just think if they had created a Pinterest account. They could conceivably ruled the world. All is not lost, however. Cnn polls suggest that Hillary has a 107% chance of winning in 2020. A 200% chance of getting debate question in advance and a 100% Chance of Bernie getting another new house.

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         Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         You don't think we use Face book too? Is Facebook not used in other countries? If not, I'm sure our government trolls their social media sites.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            No, I meant that we do more than just FB posts.  That if we could we would absolutely hack their computers and give false voting numbers.  Or most anything else except (maybe) assassinating a candidate we don't like.

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               Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               We can hack their computers. Experts have said so. But then, I suppose you think the Russians are better at it than we are.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  If true ("experts" say a lot of things, particularly when expounding on their own superiority) then I have little doubt that we do it.

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   IslandBitesposted 6 years ago

   I dont think extraction is what's in their minds. But they do need these indictments to prove the next to come.
   
   https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Ummm...indictments prove only that there is sufficient evidence for a trial - that laws may have been violated.  Nothing more, and certainly not that any law was violated.  That's what the trial is for.

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         Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, I'm sure they'll give Trump a fair trial. 

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   PhoenixVposted 6 years ago

   I wish some agency, somewhere,  would put .00000001% as much effort as they and the entire msm industry are in this Facebook Espionage story as they did in the "it was a botched robbery thingy"...story.

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   PhoenixVposted 6 years ago

   I have one share of MSFT and I have grave concerns that Russian KGB Agents working down at the Kremlin will get a LinkedIn Acct and say mean things about Bill Gates criminal history or say something naughty about Windows 10.
   
   

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sadly, about 37% of Americans don't have the ability to discern what is fake from what is real.

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         Eastwardposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So, everything is going according to plan

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