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   RJ Schwartzposted 6 years ago

   Facebook is at the epicenter of what could be the dawn of a new era in social media regulation.  The internet is alive with stories about Cambridge Analytics possible misuse of data from 50 million people and it's only the tip of the iceberg. 
   
   Former Facebook employees are coming out of the woodwork with a willingness to speak freely about the numerous occasions of data being misused by outside developers.  Some say that every Facebook user - let that sink in...every user - has had their data used without their knowledge.
   
   The stock price has fallen over 10 points in two days and the company leaders are silent.......
   Sounds like more bad news is inevitable

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      RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Another leak erupted in the Facebook on-going narrative today; one that seems to indicate Mark Zuckerberg lied to Congress in his testimony.  A new report surfaced which shows huge data-sharing partnerships between Facebook and nearly 60 device manufacturers including Apple, Microsoft, Balckberry, and Samsung.  This partnership allowed these mobile device manufacturers the freedom to learn the political and religious preferences of users and friends of users - recall that Facebook pledged this practice ended in April.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         According to media , people are running from F-B , INCLUDING  generation X'r's , younger people aren't using it .  I had deactivated my page and just deleted as well  which I haven't been using for awhile .    Takes two weeks by the way for F-B to delete you ?
         
         There is no better advocate than a consumer !

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            RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I've heard the same thing - Facebook just isn't cool anymore - coupled with the "trust" factor and it looks to be headed to the world of MySpace

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Not a Bad thing RJ !

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   threekeysposted 6 years ago

   Not surprising yet surpising. Nothing is fullproof. It cannot be if someone is making a profit and such a huge profit.

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   MizBejabbersposted 6 years ago

   The question is:  What, if anything, will be done? Mark Zuckerberg has issued a statement, now will the company follow through? Or is this just another coverup for the Russians using Facebook to plant fake news that helped get Trump elected. Good smokescreen if that's what it is.

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Did you see the Zuckerberg interview on CNN?  He seemed genuinely rattled by the manner in which Facebook has been used as a propaganda tool.  I think he knows the survival of his company depends on their response to this data breach as well as the Russians use of FB to disrupt our elections.

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         RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It also seems that he is admitting guilt - I wonder if people are going to sue them for privacy violations

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, he admitted guilt and apologized.  I don't know if people truly comprehend what was violated and whether it harmed them in any way.  I don't.  Since I have no idea exactly what happened I have no inclination to be that upset or worried about it, but maybe I'm not typical?

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               RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Lawyers don't care about apologies - I'm sure they are looking at Mark's billions and trying to figure out how to get some of them

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                  MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Ralph, I'm sure lawyers are salivating. I saw the interview on CNN, or maybe it was CBS, this morning, and he looked sincere. One political analyst who commented said that if Zuckerberg didn't know it was being done, he should have known. Problem is, with a company that huge, people are put in charge of certain areas and are trusted to honestly carry out management of that area. Some times they aren't trustworthy, or maybe even an underpaid underling leaks data. I'm not sure that one person can know all that is going on by the delegates. I'm willing to give Zuckerberg the benefit of the doubt until he is proven not to deserve it.

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                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm with you there - it simply isn't possible for anyone to know everything that is happening in a company that large.  And this one was something that no one - FBI, CIA, president or Zuckerberg ever saw coming.  No one watched for it but not because it was discussed and dismissed as too expensive.  Because it was never thought of, or at least that's what I'm seeing so far.  Until that changes, Zuckerberg gets the benefit of the doubt - this crap about "he should have known" that a brand new, unique form of "attack" was occurring is just that.  Crap.

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                        Jean Bakulaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I think so too. Zuckerberg mostly looks bewildered. He can't be everywhere at once. He does have to trust the people who work for him. I thought he seemed sincere.
                        
                        But if I knew when I first got online how much of my personal life would be sold to other companies, I would have been more careful. I knit when I am in the mood. Even when I look up patterns for ideas, I get emails from a dozen knitting sites. It's scary my computer knows every site I go on.

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                           wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           LOL  Thank the Great Google for that!
                           
                           It took a couple of years, but my wife finally got wise and started using her phone for online xmas shopping.  I always knew what she had been looking at (from the ads google so graciously provided me) and could always make a very good guess as to what she bought as a gift for me.

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                              Jean Bakulaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              I used to go to the public library to order things for my family . But then I felt guilt about not supporting local stores. Amazon and online sites are so convenient to use. Sometimes I give gift certificates too, of course, then I actually have to go out to wherever I need one.

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                           MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Jean and Wilderness, we all experience the intrusion of ads, and I will say that I will be removing certain personal information from my Facebook profile. But let me give you a laugh for the day. Several ago my son and I were emailing back and forth (both of us had gmail) on some business we were working on together (At that time he didn't have a Facebook account) I mentioned someone, and he replied that he didn't want to deal with that "smart ass." The next time he opened his Gmail, there appeared an ad for a hemorrhoid ointment. We got a laugh out of that. But the point is, how many and what kind of references are companies using per subject to target us online? It seems like no subject is safe.

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                              wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              LOL  Yes, for sure that AI that picks ads isn't always as smart as it might be!
                              
                              But it IS a little scary - nothing is sacred or private, not to Google.

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                        Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        How is it crap? Using data to target specific individuals to sway their vote is little different from using data to target individuals to sway their spending habits. Facebook actively participated for profit. Why would they not have suspected the possibility?

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                           wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Facebook actively participated (knowingly, willingly and intentionally)?  This is news to me.  It also doesn't fit with "why would they not have suspected the possibility".  Can you expand on this - I'm pretty ignorant of what actually happened as well as how it happened.

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                              Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              I haven't seen anything which disproves the allegations that Facebook profits from the sale of web crawling data on its individual users. What, exactly, do you think those who pay for that information do with it?

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                                 wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 Same-o same-o as far as I can see.  Make allegations and if someone else doesn't prove them false then they have to be true.  Doesn't work for me - it always seems to be "Prove a negative or what I say is true", and we all know just how impossible that often is.
                                 
                                 LTL, so far I haven't even figured out what information was stolen.  I know that I get emails from people purporting to be on my email list of contacts but are using a different address, but that's the only thing I've seen and I don't think it came from FB (though it might have).  I know that google watches my web travels and sells that information (or uses it to benefit their customers), but that isn't FB either.

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                                    Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    Heaven forbid you do your own simple searches.
                                    
                                    s/www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/02/facebook-executive-advertising-data-comment
                                    
                                    http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/02/the- … l-ads.html
                                    
                                    https://thinkbonfire.com/blog/facebook-lead-ads-review/
                                    
                                    Luckily, I believe even a preteen can see the possibilities.

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   nikkikhan10posted 6 years ago

   It seems a great idea and it’s a story of great effort which turned out in good reward.
   Congratulations!

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   theraggededgeposted 6 years ago

   When Zuckerberg set up Facebook:
   
   2004
   
   Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
   Zuck: Just ask
   Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
   [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
   Zuck: People just submitted it.
   Zuck: I don't know why.
   Zuck: They "trust me"
   Zuck: Dumb f**ks
   
   I don't think for one second he was 'bewildered'.

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   theraggededgeposted 6 years ago

   It's amazing how trusting people are. I've been using computers since 1986, and the internet since 1997. I have never:
   
   Used my full name on the internet apart from when registering DMCAs and a couple other essential things.
   Used Facebook for sharing anything except about three photos of my dogs and playing scrabble. I go on it probably less than once a month.
   Used the same email address for Google, Amazon or Facebook.
   Shared my contacts with any app or website.
   Used my Facebook log-in to register or log into other sites.
   Allowed apps to access my location unless using maps for satnavs, and then I turn it off when done with it.
   Allow my laptop camera to remain uncovered.
   
   I don't know how I knew not to do those things, but I'm glad I resisted. I regularly clean my cache and history. I only ever use Google for particular work-related searches, never personal ones. Instead I use StartPage, which is based on the Google algorithm, but is a private search engine.
   
   I'm pretty sure the internet knows more about me than I think it does, but I do my best to thwart its evil intentions

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