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  1. IslandBites profile image91
    IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

    Some in the US say there should be a referendum. What do you think would be the result?

    1. profile image0
      promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on whether it is written by moderates or extremists. An extremist version has a poor chance of passing.

      But with an extremist faction controlling the Supreme Court, the results may not matter when they inevitably get challenged in the courts.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Yes to rejecting life. No to allowing life.

    What's life?


    obviously,


    to 67.4%, not much.

  3. dogo365 profile image60
    dogo365posted 3 years ago

    I do not think so

  4. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

    A referendum would be interesting. I think abortion would win. The country is evenly divided but those such as me, who would not elect to have one, would still support the right for other women to make their own decisions.

    1. IslandBites profile image91
      IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I think it would be roughly 60%-40%.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    The right to choose the death of someone else's life.
    The shutting down of the heart.
    For instance:  I have a dog, Charlie, who is twenty years old.
    He cannot see. He cannot hear and poops and pees wherever he damn well pleases, including his own bed.
     

    Who would tell me to stop the heart of this dog, my dear friend, because he is so inconvenient in my having to care for him.
    Probably not a soul.

    For instance, would YOU?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong comparison, for no one tells a person they must abort.

      The right question is who would deny you the right to help your pet?

      Of course, the whole thing is rather academic as the question is not about ending anyone's life any more than removing an appendix is.  The question is about who gets to decide what a "someone" is - the person most involved or another person that feels their definition has more weight than anyone else's.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Who would have the heart to even SUGGEST such a thing (put my old dog down)?
        - would YOU, wilderness?
        Would you say, "Sure, put him down if you feel like it."

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          I have, with great sadness and pain, "put down" several beloved pets.  It hurts - how it hurts - but it can be the best and kindest thing to do.

          But it is 100% YOUR choice.  Not mine.

    2. Live to Learn profile image79
      Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I probably would suggest you put an old dog to sleep, under certain circumstances. I've seen too many old people let too many old dogs live past the point where they have any quality of life left. It's sad, but I understand. They see themselves in the old dog.

    3. Castlepaloma profile image75
      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I would build a poop and pee collective machine to my dogs body, if I loved him that much.

      Might have to build one for myself, if I get too old.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    A referendum …  as the people get a clue. Maybe in about 300 years.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    60 percent of the people would say to allow abortion as a matter of convenience?
    The rate of abortions would naturally go down if free-sex did not exist.
    Nevertheless, in this age of contraceptives and free sex, there should be no unwanted conceptions.
    Right?

    Also, it is interesting to note that babies are being born with Syphilis.
    https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions … a-comeback

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps this situation is an example of when its not a matter of convenience, but quality of life?
      Fetus's at risk to UNFAIRLY suffer the (potentially lifelong) consequences of a mother's negative physical condition should be ….  aborted.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Veterinarians, on the other hand, will gladly stop the heart of a pet based on his or her (negative) quality of life.
    However, as far as I know, the decision is not based on issues of convenience for the pet's owner.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Maybe abortion should not be legal when it is based on matters of mere convenience for the mother.

    After all, laws/justice are based, in the final analysis, on love.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why not?  An unwanted lump of flesh - we remove them all the time and destroy them.  You're still pretending that you have the right to decide for all people what is a person and what is not.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        …. its going to be a baby. Its not a lump. Its not a matter everyone's interpretation. How you can think otherwise is beyond me.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          "its going to be a baby."

          It might become a person one day, yes.  And it might not - .2/3rds of human embryos fail to develop successfully  But for now it is not and there is no more reason to save it than there is to save a tumor.  Absolutely whether it is defined as a person is a matter of interpretation.  How you can think otherwise is beyond me, for it is nothing like a person at all.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    … but following this reasoning, if a baby is not wanted, and cannot be loved, maybe it is best to kill it.
    so carry on:

    The freedom to abort should be a personal right/choice and 60% of the people have it right.

  11. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    It seems we are kinder to our pets than to our fellow human beings.

    I know of a woman stuck in a nursing home, who wished she died 20 years ago, rather than suffering 20 years of pain and memory loss.

    Then, we have an UN agenda, who plans to bring down world population to 2 billion people. Bill Gates idea,  bring it down to 1/2 a billion.

    My wish is for Religious and politicans to stop trying to control our minds and bodies. Where each one of us knows what's best for us and what do with it. History shows most positive results is a collective consciousness of the people. More importantly is to deal with the other stuff like the natural environment.

    Best thing is make war illegal, conquer all financial problems. Stop making unloved and unneeded babies, it can cost you a 1/2 a million dollars to take care of them. Rather let's bring back most of the other species we killed over the last 1/2 century. No doubt, stupidity is the leading cause of death.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "Best thing is make war illegal"

      Laws making something illegal require a force of some kind to ensure the law is followed.  What force would you suggest to do that when two countries war against each other?  And what would the penalty be - would you jail everyone in the army or punish the entire population of those two countries?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        The ultimate form of insanity or hell on earth is killing.

        Killing never stops killing. In fact in the US military kills a rate of 100 to a 1000 fold revengeful. To prove to us, killing is wrong. Solving absolutely nothing, only increases harm and guns is their favorite tool. They have sold Humanity down the river to increase slavery for the wealthy.

        Even killing a murderer as capital punishment is hypocritical.
        Making murderer useful by producing healthy products in prison to pay debt rather than costing more taxes to kill them. It is a far more intelligent way to serve mankind.

        A choice to kill yourself or choose what comes in or out of your body, is your human right, nobody else's. Not even your doctor has a right to kill. Unless your mind is unaware of the dangers  under a coma or unbearable long term physical suffering. Where
        your doctor probably cares more or less.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          You didn't say how you would enforce the law against war...

          1. Castlepaloma profile image75
            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            There are countries who patrol with no firearms. It's strategy  works surprisingly well. Such as Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed.

            Intelligence is the best enforcier, not this false oxymoron military intelligence.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Unarmed British police will be responsible for stopping countries fighting each other with bombers, tanks and missiles and punishing the violators of the "no-war allowed" law, then?

              I don't see that as working very well...

              1. Castlepaloma profile image75
                Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                What country in their right mind ever would attack America. With a gun for every person and a military budget that is half of the World's war budget. Then 25℅ of the World's prisoners.

                US is the leading hostile, terrorist country of  the world. With an offensive military approach, not a defensive one.

                Then US has the leading Christian population, who many think abortion is the leading cause of murder.

                All backward to me.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think British police would, or could, stop a war where the US was either attacked (Iran, Russia, China, ISIS or anyone else) or attacked itself.

                  Any other suggestions for an enforcement arm?

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image75
                    Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                    BRICS can match NATO or NWO. They have to for balance. China has not had a major war since 1979.

                    Why can't Americans behavior change, the war budget cut by 60℅ would make America great again rather than rushing into world war 3.

                    Forget abortion, Corperationism will kill far greater than anything.

  12. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    Good thing I don't think an American is any better or worse than anyone else. Although, many will not accept me, and my policy, not to love my enemies. Because I don't have enemies, in order to sleep well and to serve others honestly.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    The best reason to abort is to spare the poor soul from having to experience old age.

    How would you like to have no sight and no hearing?
    How many have to suffer such a fate in old age?
    Is life really worth it in the final analysis?

    wondering

  14. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    I married a woman, that I did not love. To prevent my daughter from being aborted.  Soon afterwards I divorced her. Then the story goes, my daughter today is the love of my life.  That was a choice I ask the Universe and felt I would provide her a quality life vs an 4 times overpopulated world of poor quantity of life. The earth and people suffers too greatly from over population and unwanted people.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There seems to be a large population of unwanted people?
      I hope not!
      But that is what abortion is attempting to solve, I suppose.

      What is the problem abortion is trying to solve?



      Ooopsies.

      Oopsies by those females who are, apparently, easily beguiled.

      beguile verb
      1 charm, attract, enchant, entrance, win over, woo, captivate, bewitch, spellbind, dazzle, hypnotize, mesmerize, seduce. ANTONYMS repel.

      2 entertain, amuse, delight, please, occupy, absorb, engage, distract, divert, fascinate, enthrall, engross. ANTONYMS bore.  Thesaurus

      1. psycheskinner profile image85
        psycheskinnerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Beguiled?  Do you include rape and sexual abuse in that category, because I don't.
        And the main category would be errors and failures in birth control.

        1. profile image0
          ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Or abortions AS a selective fad and form of birth control ?

    2. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      +10000000000000000

  15. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    If women comprehended, very clearly, the likely consequences and risks of sex, they might be repelled and bored, instead.

  16. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Yes to correcting oopsies.

    But, why do women who have abortions feel so miserable about it, afterwards?

    "Women who have undergone post-abortion counseling report over 100 major reactions to abortion. Among the most frequently reported are: depression, loss of self-esteem, self-destructive behavior, sleep disorders, memory loss, sexual dysfunction, chronic problems with relationships, dramatic personality changes, anxiety attacks, guilt and remorse, difficulty grieving, increased tendency toward violence, chronic crying, difficulty concentrating, flashbacks, loss of interest in previously enjoyed activities and people, and difficulty bonding with later children.

    Among the most worrisome of these reactions is the increase of self-destructive behavior among aborted women. In a survey of over 100 women who had suffered from post-abortion trauma, fully 80 percent expressed feelings of “self-hatred.” In the same study, 49 percent reported drug abuse and 39 percent began to use or increased their use of alcohol. Approximately 14 percent described themselves as having become “addicted” or “alcoholic” after their abortions. In addition, 60 percent reported suicidal ideation, with 28 percent actually attempting suicide, of which half attempted suicide two or more times."

    FROM https://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/t … f-abortion

    1. Castlepaloma profile image75
      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Be lucky your miserable, you could  be horrible like no eyes or no legs  or worst no mind.

      You think Jesus could replace women of the world. Can it match ultimate love, being romantic love.

      In a small town, I ended up with 3 Christian girlfriends in a row, who dump me because I could not be saved. One was a minister of God in the largest church in town. Our romance was over when her speech directed at me and said. I should of been drunk on Jesus rather than on romance..

      Then I embarrassedly turned to the members and said.

      Hey she brought the red wine, I was just playing along andl thought it was the blood of Jesus.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        lol

        meanwhile, you buff your golden halo. smile

        1. Castlepaloma profile image75
          Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          She did yell out.

          OH! MY GOD!!!

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            You have a rather impressive halo, I presume.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image75
              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Well....
              Thank you.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                - just keep it where it belongs:
                … on top of your head.
                smile

                1. Castlepaloma profile image75
                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  For sure.

                  The little head has very little scruple

  17. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    Yes, they correct the oopsie but ...
     
    "Researchers investigating post-abortion reactions report only one positive emotion: relief. This emotion is understandable, especially in light of the fact that the majority of aborting women report feeling under intense pressure to 'get it over with.'

    Temporary feelings of relief are frequently followed by a period psychiatrists identify as emotional 'paralysis,' or post-abortion 'numbness.'

    Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions. Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor …"

    "Thirty to fifty percent of aborted women report experiencing sexual dysfunctions, of both short and long duration, beginning immediately after their abortions. These problems may include one or more of the following: loss of pleasure from intercourse, increased pain, an aversion to sex and/or males in general, or the development of a promiscuous life-style."

    FROM  https://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/t … f-abortion

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    … oopsies caused by men, who are apparently easily beguiled.

    Better?

  19. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    That's a pretty good question:
    Can (love of) Jesus/God, "match ultimate love, being romantic love."


    Ultimately, it might be easier to love Jesus/God.


    Once we are anchored in that love, romantic love might be more possible/doable.

  20. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14060047.jpg

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      LOL  Those eggs you buy in the store?  You can incubate them forever and will get nothing but a stinky incubator for they are not embryo's.

      1. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        I just love pointing out the most obvious liberal hypocrisies , I know I know ..................but I can't help it !

      2. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        SMART man!

    2. Bored Student profile image79
      Bored Studentposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There are so many problems with this comparison between eating eggs and supporting abortions.

      First of all, nobody is selling aborted fetuses as food. A vegan might say "my personal choice is not to eat unborn baby chickens, but another human can decide what they want to do with their unborn child."

      Second of all, most vegans are avoiding eggs for environmental reasons. Some vegans are also upset with how the farms treat the chickens.

      I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove here. This example of liberal hypocrisy is just pretty weak. It's also not particularly productive.

      1. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Of course" it's not productive " the hard truth seldom is in the short run ,   Liberals however continue to concentrate on their incredible power of accepted hypocrisy in most things political  .

      2. Aime F profile image80
        Aime Fposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        You’re new here so let me give you a quick crash course:

        ahorseback has no interest in being productive and he doesn’t respond to counter-arguments because he’s already made up his mind about everything and will not consider any point of view that doesn’t align with his own. He makes brick walls seem like valuable conversationalists.

        1. profile image0
          ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          And the political points of your ideology are as jello in an oven , that is the greatest political conundrum  today , What bothers you most, That your blatant political naivete can't change minds ?

          1. Bored Student profile image79
            Bored Studentposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Anyone can be inconsistent, but I don't see why you think that the entire liberal left is specifically less consistent than anyone else is. And even if it is "jello in an oven", I don't see why it's practically problematic.

            1. profile image0
              ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Ummm , because liberals ARE less consistent than anyone else ......................becauuuuuse.

              Your party embraces hypocrisy , and begs for more.

  21. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    On a breakfast menu I had , one meal was called... Mother and child reUnion. That's Chicken and Eggs.

    Now that the Pope says animals go to heaven too,  I might have to ask the livestock to commit suicide before eating them.

    Have you heard the crys from the screaming lettuce?

 
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