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IslandBitesposted 5 years ago
Some in the US say there should be a referendum. What do you think would be the result?
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  promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on whether it is written by moderates or extremists. An extremist version has a poor chance of passing.
  
  But with an extremist faction controlling the Supreme Court, the results may not matter when they inevitably get challenged in the courts.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
Yes to rejecting life. No to allowing life.

What's life?

obviously,

to 67.4%, not much.
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dogo365posted 5 years ago
I do not think so
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Live to Learnposted 5 years ago
A referendum would be interesting. I think abortion would win. The country is evenly divided but those such as me, who would not elect to have one, would still support the right for other women to make their own decisions.
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  IslandBitesposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. I think it would be roughly 60%-40%.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
The right to choose the death of someone else's life.
The shutting down of the heart.
For instance: I have a dog, Charlie, who is twenty years old.
He cannot see. He cannot hear and poops and pees wherever he damn well pleases, including his own bed.

Who would tell me to stop the heart of this dog, my dear friend, because he is so inconvenient in my having to care for him.
Probably not a soul.

For instance, would YOU?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong comparison, for no one tells a person they must abort.
  
  The right question is who would deny you the right to help your pet?
  
  Of course, the whole thing is rather academic as the question is not about ending anyone's life any more than removing an appendix is. The question is about who gets to decide what a "someone" is - the person most involved or another person that feels their definition has more weight than anyone else's.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Who would have the heart to even SUGGEST such a thing (put my old dog down)?
  - would YOU, wilderness?
  Would you say, "Sure, put him down if you feel like it."
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I have, with great sadness and pain, "put down" several beloved pets. It hurts - how it hurts - but it can be the best and kindest thing to do.
  
  But it is 100% YOUR choice. Not mine.
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I probably would suggest you put an old dog to sleep, under certain circumstances. I've seen too many old people let too many old dogs live past the point where they have any quality of life left. It's sad, but I understand. They see themselves in the old dog.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I would build a poop and pee collective machine to my dogs body, if I loved him that much.
  
  Might have to build one for myself, if I get too old.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I think its already been invented. Its called a diaper.
  https://barkertime.com/designer-dog-dia … nt=Regular
  
  https://www.adultdiapersandchux.com/?ms … %20General
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
A referendum … as the people get a clue. Maybe in about 300 years.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
60 percent of the people would say to allow abortion as a matter of convenience?
The rate of abortions would naturally go down if free-sex did not exist.
Nevertheless, in this age of contraceptives and free sex, there should be no unwanted conceptions.
Right?

Also, it is interesting to note that babies are being born with Syphilis.
https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions … a-comeback
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps this situation is an example of when its not a matter of convenience, but quality of life?
  Fetus's at risk to UNFAIRLY suffer the (potentially lifelong) consequences of a mother's negative physical condition should be …. aborted.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
Veterinarians, on the other hand, will gladly stop the heart of a pet based on his or her (negative) quality of life.
However, as far as I know, the decision is not based on issues of convenience for the pet's owner.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
Maybe abortion should not be legal when it is based on matters of mere convenience for the mother.

After all, laws/justice are based, in the final analysis, on love.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Why not? An unwanted lump of flesh - we remove them all the time and destroy them. You're still pretending that you have the right to decide for all people what is a person and what is not.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  …. its going to be a baby. Its not a lump. Its not a matter everyone's interpretation. How you can think otherwise is beyond me.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "its going to be a baby."
  
  It might become a person one day, yes. And it might not - .2/3rds of human embryos fail to develop successfully But for now it is not and there is no more reason to save it than there is to save a tumor. Absolutely whether it is defined as a person is a matter of interpretation. How you can think otherwise is beyond me, for it is nothing like a person at all.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
… but following this reasoning, if a baby is not wanted, and cannot be loved, maybe it is best to kill it.
so carry on:

The freedom to abort should be a personal right/choice and 60% of the people have it right.
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Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago
It seems we are kinder to our pets than to our fellow human beings.

I know of a woman stuck in a nursing home, who wished she died 20 years ago, rather than suffering 20 years of pain and memory loss.

Then, we have an UN agenda, who plans to bring down world population to 2 billion people. Bill Gates idea, bring it down to 1/2 a billion.

My wish is for Religious and politicans to stop trying to control our minds and bodies. Where each one of us knows what's best for us and what do with it. History shows most positive results is a collective consciousness of the people. More importantly is to deal with the other stuff like the natural environment.

Best thing is make war illegal, conquer all financial problems. Stop making unloved and unneeded babies, it can cost you a 1/2 a million dollars to take care of them. Rather let's bring back most of the other species we killed over the last 1/2 century. No doubt, stupidity is the leading cause of death.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "Best thing is make war illegal"
  
  Laws making something illegal require a force of some kind to ensure the law is followed. What force would you suggest to do that when two countries war against each other? And what would the penalty be - would you jail everyone in the army or punish the entire population of those two countries?
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The ultimate form of insanity or hell on earth is killing.
  
  Killing never stops killing. In fact in the US military kills a rate of 100 to a 1000 fold revengeful. To prove to us, killing is wrong. Solving absolutely nothing, only increases harm and guns is their favorite tool. They have sold Humanity down the river to increase slavery for the wealthy.
  
  Even killing a murderer as capital punishment is hypocritical.
  Making murderer useful by producing healthy products in prison to pay debt rather than costing more taxes to kill them. It is a far more intelligent way to serve mankind.
  
  A choice to kill yourself or choose what comes in or out of your body, is your human right, nobody else's. Not even your doctor has a right to kill. Unless your mind is unaware of the dangers under a coma or unbearable long term physical suffering. Where
  your doctor probably cares more or less.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't say how you would enforce the law against war...
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  There are countries who patrol with no firearms. It's strategy works surprisingly well. Such as Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed.
  
  Intelligence is the best enforcier, not this false oxymoron military intelligence.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Unarmed British police will be responsible for stopping countries fighting each other with bombers, tanks and missiles and punishing the violators of the "no-war allowed" law, then?
  
  I don't see that as working very well...
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  What country in their right mind ever would attack America. With a gun for every person and a military budget that is half of the World's war budget. Then 25℅ of the World's prisoners.
  
  US is the leading hostile, terrorist country of the world. With an offensive military approach, not a defensive one.
  
  Then US has the leading Christian population, who many think abortion is the leading cause of murder.
  
  All backward to me.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think British police would, or could, stop a war where the US was either attacked (Iran, Russia, China, ISIS or anyone else) or attacked itself.
  
  Any other suggestions for an enforcement arm?
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  BRICS can match NATO or NWO. They have to for balance. China has not had a major war since 1979.
  
  Why can't Americans behavior change, the war budget cut by 60℅ would make America great again rather than rushing into world war 3.
  
  Forget abortion, Corperationism will kill far greater than anything.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I thought we were talking about a law to stop wars.
  
  I don't see you changing human nature all over the world in the next year. Or 100 years, for that matter.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  The only real thing that dose make postive changes throughout human history are grassroot groups of people with dreams, true courage, minds , lead by the heart.
  
  Not politican, greedy Corperationism or religion, their heirachary greed js for their controlling power. It has not been in the best interest of the majority.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  As my personal achievements. I started an industry as the first fulltime professional sand and snow sculptor. Today 1000s of sand and snow sculptors enjoy one of the best and purest work profession in the world.
  
  Lived in the largest eco village in Canada, now that Corperationism has destroyed that. Now building in South America to create a better lifestyle for everyone, plus hiding from the future suffering of batty puppet slave masters.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You're right - it is people that make changes. Sometimes by combining their assets or talents (it's called a "corporation"), sometimes by a common cause other than financial. It can, occasionally, even be religious beliefs - while religion has done massive damage over the millenia, there has been some good come from it as well.
  
  It can even be people that gather others of like mind to create a society of laws, a culture - call it a nation and call those people "politicians". Sometimes they do well.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Think you mean co·op·er·a·tion
  The process of working together to the same end.: Collaboration, joint action, combined effort, teamwork, partnership, coordination, liaison, association, give and take.
  "cooperation between management and workers"
  
  Where corperations is a jurisdiction as a person. Yet limited liability or lack a great deal of responsibility to Humanity. This means shareholders can participate in the profits, dividend it and/or the stock, not held personally liable for the company's debts. They can go bankrupt and leave you or others holding the bag, like with numbered Corperation.
  
  I deal with smaller compan is for better service and quality product in general
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "Collaboration, joint action, combined effort, teamwork, partnership, coordination, liaison, association, give and take"
  
  Sounds like a corporation to me. A bunch of people get together, pool their resources and form a business.
  
  Few small companies have owners that will be held responsible for that corporations debts. I fail to see any real difference, except the number of partners in a large corporation; partners who, for the most part, have very little say in the operation of the company.
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Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago
Good thing I don't think an American is any better or worse than anyone else. Although, many will not accept me, and my policy, not to love my enemies. Because I don't have enemies, in order to sleep well and to serve others honestly.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
The best reason to abort is to spare the poor soul from having to experience old age.

How would you like to have no sight and no hearing?
How many have to suffer such a fate in old age?
Is life really worth it in the final analysis?

wondering
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Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago
I married a woman, that I did not love. To prevent my daughter from being aborted. Soon afterwards I divorced her. Then the story goes, my daughter today is the love of my life. That was a choice I ask the Universe and felt I would provide her a quality life vs an 4 times overpopulated world of poor quantity of life. The earth and people suffers too greatly from over population and unwanted people.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  There seems to be a large population of unwanted people?
  I hope not!
  But that is what abortion is attempting to solve, I suppose.
  
  What is the problem abortion is trying to solve?
  
  Ooopsies.
  
  Oopsies by those females who are, apparently, easily beguiled.
  
  beguile verb
  1 charm, attract, enchant, entrance, win over, woo, captivate, bewitch, spellbind, dazzle, hypnotize, mesmerize, seduce. ANTONYMS repel.
  
  2 entertain, amuse, delight, please, occupy, absorb, engage, distract, divert, fascinate, enthrall, engross. ANTONYMS bore. Thesaurus
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  psycheskinnerposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Beguiled? Do you include rape and sexual abuse in that category, because I don't.
  And the main category would be errors and failures in birth control.
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  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Or abortions AS a selective fad and form of birth control ?
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  +10000000000000000
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
If women comprehended, very clearly, the likely consequences and risks of sex, they might be repelled and bored, instead.
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
Yes to correcting oopsies.

But, why do women who have abortions feel so miserable about it, afterwards?

"Women who have undergone post-abortion counseling report over 100 major reactions to abortion. Among the most frequently reported are: depression, loss of self-esteem, self-destructive behavior, sleep disorders, memory loss, sexual dysfunction, chronic problems with relationships, dramatic personality changes, anxiety attacks, guilt and remorse, difficulty grieving, increased tendency toward violence, chronic crying, difficulty concentrating, flashbacks, loss of interest in previously enjoyed activities and people, and difficulty bonding with later children.

Among the most worrisome of these reactions is the increase of self-destructive behavior among aborted women. In a survey of over 100 women who had suffered from post-abortion trauma, fully 80 percent expressed feelings of “self-hatred.” In the same study, 49 percent reported drug abuse and 39 percent began to use or increased their use of alcohol. Approximately 14 percent described themselves as having become “addicted” or “alcoholic” after their abortions. In addition, 60 percent reported suicidal ideation, with 28 percent actually attempting suicide, of which half attempted suicide two or more times."

FROM https://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/t … f-abortion
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Be lucky your miserable, you could be horrible like no eyes or no legs or worst no mind.
  
  You think Jesus could replace women of the world. Can it match ultimate love, being romantic love.
  
  In a small town, I ended up with 3 Christian girlfriends in a row, who dump me because I could not be saved. One was a minister of God in the largest church in town. Our romance was over when her speech directed at me and said. I should of been drunk on Jesus rather than on romance..
  
  Then I embarrassedly turned to the members and said.
  
  Hey she brought the red wine, I was just playing along andl thought it was the blood of Jesus.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  
  meanwhile, you buff your golden halo.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  She did yell out.
  
  OH! MY GOD!!!
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You have a rather impressive halo, I presume.
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Well....
  Thank you.
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  Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  - just keep it where it belongs:
  … on top of your head.
  
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  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  For sure.
  
  The little head has very little scruple
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
Yes, they correct the oopsie but ...

"Researchers investigating post-abortion reactions report only one positive emotion: relief. This emotion is understandable, especially in light of the fact that the majority of aborting women report feeling under intense pressure to 'get it over with.'

Temporary feelings of relief are frequently followed by a period psychiatrists identify as emotional 'paralysis,' or post-abortion 'numbness.'

Studies within the first few weeks after the abortion have found that between 40 and 60 percent of women questioned report negative reactions. Within 8 weeks after their abortions, 55% expressed guilt, 44% complained of nervous disorders, 36% had experienced sleep disturbances, 31% had regrets about their decision, and 11% had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their family doctor …"

"Thirty to fifty percent of aborted women report experiencing sexual dysfunctions, of both short and long duration, beginning immediately after their abortions. These problems may include one or more of the following: loss of pleasure from intercourse, increased pain, an aversion to sex and/or males in general, or the development of a promiscuous life-style."

FROM https://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/t … f-abortion
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
… oopsies caused by men, who are apparently easily beguiled.

Better?
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Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago
That's a pretty good question:
Can (love of) Jesus/God, "match ultimate love, being romantic love."

Ultimately, it might be easier to love Jesus/God.

Once we are anchored in that love, romantic love might be more possible/doable.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Those eggs you buy in the store? You can incubate them forever and will get nothing but a stinky incubator for they are not embryo's.
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  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I just love pointing out the most obvious liberal hypocrisies , I know I know ..................but I can't help it !
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  SMART man!
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  Bored Studentposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  There are so many problems with this comparison between eating eggs and supporting abortions.
  
  First of all, nobody is selling aborted fetuses as food. A vegan might say "my personal choice is not to eat unborn baby chickens, but another human can decide what they want to do with their unborn child."
  
  Second of all, most vegans are avoiding eggs for environmental reasons. Some vegans are also upset with how the farms treat the chickens.
  
  I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove here. This example of liberal hypocrisy is just pretty weak. It's also not particularly productive.
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  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Of course" it's not productive " the hard truth seldom is in the short run , Liberals however continue to concentrate on their incredible power of accepted hypocrisy in most things political .
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  Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You’re new here so let me give you a quick crash course:
  
  ahorseback has no interest in being productive and he doesn’t respond to counter-arguments because he’s already made up his mind about everything and will not consider any point of view that doesn’t align with his own. He makes brick walls seem like valuable conversationalists.
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  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  And the political points of your ideology are as jello in an oven , that is the greatest political conundrum today , What bothers you most, That your blatant political naivete can't change minds ?
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  Bored Studentposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone can be inconsistent, but I don't see why you think that the entire liberal left is specifically less consistent than anyone else is. And even if it is "jello in an oven", I don't see why it's practically problematic.
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  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Ummm , because liberals ARE less consistent than anyone else ......................becauuuuuse.
  
  Your party embraces hypocrisy , and begs for more.
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Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago
On a breakfast menu I had , one meal was called... Mother and child reUnion. That's Chicken and Eggs.

Now that the Pope says animals go to heaven too, I might have to ask the livestock to commit suicide before eating them.

Have you heard the crys from the screaming lettuce?
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