We Must Rise Up To Force Accountability Using A Diversity Of Tactics

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   Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

   
   Left-wing activist groups are planning to send protesters to the homes of conservative Supreme Court justices following a leak indicating the court may soon overturn Roe v. Wade.
   
   The activists are organizing under the moniker "Ruth Sent Us" and have published the supposed home addresses of Justices Amy Coney Barrett, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Brett Kavanaugh, Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch.
   
   "Our 6-3 extremist Supreme Court routinely issues rulings that hurt women, racial minorities, LGBTQ+ and immigrant rights," the group's website reads. "We must rise up to force accountability using a diversity of tactics."
   
   Fox News is told there has been a strong police presence at the justices' homes following the leak. The group says they will visit the homes on May 11.
   
   The D.C. Police Department has erected fencing around the Supreme Court building in anticipation of escalating protests this weekend. Police have also activated protest-response units through Sunday.
   
   The move comes after a draft copy of Justice Samuel Alito's opinion upholding a Mississippi abortion law leaked to Politico. The decision would overturn Roe v. Wade if adopted by four other justices.
   
   Chief Justice John Roberts described the leak as a "betrayal" of the court on Tuesday and ordered an investigation into the incident.
   
   Republicans on Capitol Hill have also expressed outrage over the nearly unprecedented leak, while Democrats have sounded the alarms in defense of abortion.
   
   Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell called for the leaker to be prosecuted, saying the move was a transparent attempt to subvert the court's ruling."
   
   "Somebody, likely somebody inside the court itself, leaked a confidential brief to the press, to stir up a pressure campaign," McConnell, R-Ky., said. "Whoever committed this lawless act knew exactly what it could bring about."
   
   Thoughts...

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      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Let's focus on what is really important - McConnell  misses the point.  The "lawless" act is overturning Roe v. Wade.

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   Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

   John Roberts: Supreme Court draft leak 'absolutely appalling
   
   Roberts confirmed Tuesday that Justice Samuel Alito's draft opinion in the case Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization was genuine – although the draft dates back to February, and it does not represent the current or final opinion of the court.
   
   However, the left media has spun this brief into a big old mess of slop to feed the public.  In my view political slop that in the end will cause them nothing but indigestion.
   
   I must say I would think some would be becoming dizzy, and jump off the merry-go-round.

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      Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well, Sharlee, it is a mess. Yes, we on the left are going to use it to expose the real goals of the Right, generally, and Republicans specifically.
      
      Well, the preview "teaser trailer" was something that they should have kept quiet over because with the current makeup of that court, the threat to Roe is quite real. Who believes that it isn't?
      
      This brief will amount to grief for the Right as the voices of protest will grow louder and louder and hopefully, it will find its way into the voting booths next fall.

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         Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         "Well, Sharlee, it is a mess. Yes, we on the left are going to use it to expose the real goals of the Right, generally, and Republicans specifically."
         
         Could this be one of America's biggest problems, mainly I think on the left?   Not sure why at this point the entire right-wing leaning population opposes the left's thoughts in regard to abortion,   It's a women's cause, and women should be looked at in this case as individuals.
         
         Always a fight -"we will expose, we blame, we will protest.".
         Are you all that sure in the case of abortion that many on the right would also object to banning abortion? This is about ultimate women, not left or right.
         When will the left realize they may make a lot of noise, but the right has earplugs in, and care little about words,  and stamping feet. We prefer to stay out of the fray. Especially when as of yet there is just no fray to become involved in.
         
         I read the lengthy brief, I have read the two statements from the SC on the brief,
         the information thus far indicates this was just s brief and did not hold any file decision on Roe.
         
         This seemed to be a very well-planned leak, and it most likely will split people down the middle --- first about the leak being unacceptable to some, and the other side, well it offered them a chance to get out the old blow-up pedestal long before a true decision even is offered.
         
         I look at it as a leak, a political ploy that has caused the stir that they wanted it to... A big old look here, don't look at the price of gas that did go up two days ago and don't look at what is being reported in regard to disinformation boards or our borders. I say they leaked it a smidge too soon... The state of the country will not be hidden under any rock come Nov.
         
         This latest, posting of our Justice addresses is really inexcusable to many of us that respect the Supreme Court, and their right to keep their privacy.
         
         Be assured the right can handle grief, deceit, and yes the votes in the fall will say volumes. I am willing to accept the voice of the people. Are you?
         
         You might want to consider Americans have become weary of all the far-left agendas. many have remorse, and may just be feeling the increasing results of their mistake in their everyday lives. 
         
         November will be very important and dictate what the majority of Americans are really feeling.
         
         I say big red sweep.  The pocketbook will win, not the age-old unsolvable abortion problem. That will be old news that fizzled... Inflation will be peaking by fall with a long summer of high gas and food prices, and high AC bills.   
         
         The Democrats have too many nails in the coffin... All of their own doing. Let me remind you,  I said from the get-go, that it did not need to be like this.
         
         Biden listens to the wrong people. He had an opportunity to make headway in healing the great divide, He cemented it, and had many jumping over to the right of the divide. Chief and destroyer.

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            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Sharlee, when a state like Louisiana can propose to make any abortion equivalent to a charge of homicide at conception, I am sure that you can see where moderate minded people would rise in disgust.
            
            No one wants their options or choices eliminated without good cause and that is what is being proposed here.
            
            If there are women on the Right who are pro choice, their voices are inaudible relative to those of the patriarchs, misogynists and Christian evangelists that dominate Republican politics today.
            
            We do not expect to persuade the Right as they have had the eyes wide shut regarding this issue anyway. We will just incite our base and independents to see the direction that conservatives and their dogma are taking us all.
            
            The "leak" could still be an accident, as no one could actual source where the leak came from.
            
            I am willing to accept the voice of the people, it is your side that give me reason to be concerned regarding the election from November, 2020. But giving people a peek of what to expect when conservatives run things just might allow them to think a little in the voting booth next November.
            
            Far Right agendas, virtually enslaving women, won't win any popularity test, either.
            
            You can hope that the people will forget about this brief visit into the authoritarian nature of the conservatives and what lies in store for them. This issue will make it more difficult for them to do this.
            
            Biden is not my preferred choice, but conservatives and their candidates will have to answer to threat to women's reproductive rights. That just might be the monkey wrench to their agenda that we need. As a result, it may damper the depth and breath of the "sweep".
            
            In my opinion, Biden has been too conciliatory with the Right, who would have never got on board with any of his agenda, anyway. So, why pretend? I don't care for Republicans candidates nor their philosophies. I did not pull my lever for Democrats last fall just for a watered version of Republicans.
            
            Happy Mother's Day...

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               Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I always respect your thoughts. thank you for the Mpm day greeting...

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            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            "This is about ultimate women, not left or right." - [i]I would argue it is much broader than that.  This is not only a fontal assault on a woman's right to chose, it is an all out attack on the very concept of our Right to Privacy
            
            What part of the so-called "far-left" agenda are people becoming weary of?
            
            Is it the Right to Vote
            
            Is it the Right to Privacy
            
            Is it the Right to not teach revisionist History
            
            Is it the Right of the LGBTQ community to live free from harassment and criminalization of their life-style from  Conservatives?
            
            Which of those far-left agendas are people becoming weary of?

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         wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         You're going to use a draft legal brief to "expose the goals of the right"?  The goal is to follow the Constitution; presumably you dislike that goal in favor of a lawless nation, right?

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            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            This bunch doxxed SC justices. This makes me furious.  The left extremist has gone too far, and the President will not condemn their threats.

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               My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               NOW you get furious???  How about all of those people the Right has doxxed?
               
               What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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            Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            It brings attention to an issue and is the most evidence in regards to the direction the court is likely to take. No one has been threatened, you have to be blind to not see what has been going on regarding the restrictions being placed on women's reproductive rights.
            
            Blame your Republican state legislatures and such, this leaked brief just add fuel to the fire. No one is speaking of riots like those of the ruffian Rightwingers of January 6th 2021. But there will be marches, protests with attention drawn to this issue.
            
            So, who is interfering with the jurisprudence of the court?
            
            Their brief exposed the goals, I am not exposing anything....

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               My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Hey, Credence, according to Wilderness, Jan 6th was no insurrection at all, there was little violence, no cops got hurt, no police lines were breached, no politician were threatened, Congress did not stop operating, even for one second.  It was a nothing burger.

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                  Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  The marches and protests over Roe were quite real and have been evident all over the country yesterday and that is just the beginning...

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            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I think this is called histronics.

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      Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It looks certain that Roe will be overturned.  I'm not sure if enough are  realizing the ripple effects that this will have. Certainly it is going to polarize the country even more. We will now be geographically separated into states that deny basic human rights and states that allow them. 
      How many will move from oppressive states? How many corporations will choose to locate in states that allow more freedoms due to pressures from employees? There are so many ramifications of this.  Not to mention all of the other privacy rights that almost certainly be attacked.

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         GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Cred's telling me I have to be more clear, so, I agree with the idea of your comment, this will not be a one-issue or one-battle decision. And I agree that there could be some seriously damaging changes attempted.
         
         But a thought occurred, what if that ends up being a good thing? What if this abortion issue is like a boil that has been festering, (for 50+ years), and will never heal until it is lanced, and will only grow larger and more painful until it is addressed head-on? What if Roe has been just a salve that prevented eruption instead of healing?
         
         Could the pain of an election cycle, or two, (time to vote out the zealots or vote in an amendment), be worth a final settlement?
         
         I don't think even the most fanatical states have a majority electorate that would support a reversal of the major women's gains made since Roe that would last beyond a couple of 2-year election cycles, (or so ). I think that will be enough to bring some moderation on most issues, other than abortion.
         
         It was just a thought.
         
         GA

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            My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            If it leads to the eradication of the Trump Republicans, then I could agree with you.  But it won't.  The issue will fester for the next 50 years until the Conservative Justices can be replaced with people who actually believe in the Rights to Life, Liberty, Privacy (which is actually part of Liberty), and Happiness (which includes Health and property).
            
            You made me look for a "by state" poll and found this https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/upsh … tates.html
            
            If it is correct, then WV, TN, KY, AL, MS, LA will keep banning abortions while WY, ID, UT, ND, SD, NE, SC, IN, TX lean that way.
            
            MT, NM, IA, MO, KS, OK (?), OH, NC and GA don't know what they want.
            
            So, my guess is those in the first list will become Non-Free states where personal rights are fungible and will stay that way through all election cycles.
            
            Some in the 2nd group may throw off their shackles and vote the  bums out.
            
            There is some hope for the third group to do as you suggest.

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         Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I am not sure what will become of Roe. If overturned it will cause a stir, there is no question. It will deepen the divide. And you do not find it odd that this document was leaked. It would look as if the politic of this leak was to have us all show our teeth... The fight becomes more divided. A Hale Mary --- get out and vote. I have always found these ploys so distasteful.
         
         Yes, if they do away with Roe, we will have bright red states and bright blue states. One must consider this has been coming for a while. The US has become severely divided by ideologies, there could be nothing as dangerous as that in my view.
         
         Corporations go where they can best keep the profit, I have no worries in that regard. Red states have come to cater to big business.  Most big corporations will look at the bottom line.
         
         Conservatives value privacy rights, that is one of the very big differences between Democrats and Republicans. If Republicans find their rights in jeopardy they rid themselves of Representatives that don't respect their voices.
         
         So, I doubt whether republican/ conservative women could be backed into a corner in regards to any issues.
         
         Please consider Americans have the right to support a given political party. As a rule that support indicates a majority's mindset, and what one feels about the direction they hope the country to go.  This is ever-changing, and citizens are quick to become vocal about anything they are displeased with or disappointed in.
         
         Here is an intersting article, and Gallop poll ---  It supports my thoughts.
         
         "Preferences shifted from nine-point Democratic advantage to five-point GOP edge
         Average party preferences for all of 2021 similar to past years
         Largest percentage of U.S. adults identify as political independents
         WASHINGTON, D.C. -- On average, Americans' political party preferences in 2021 looked similar to prior years, with slightly more U.S. adults identifying as Democrats or leaning Democratic (46%) than identified as Republicans or leaned Republican (43%).
         
         However, the general stability for the full-year average obscures a dramatic shift over the course of 2021, from a nine-percentage-point Democratic advantage in the first quarter to a rare five-point Republican edge in the fourth quarter.
         
         Read on ---    https://news.gallup.com/poll/388781/pol … -2021.aspx
         
         
         
         
         MY POINT --- Americans are quick to see what they perceive as problems and come to use their votes to have their voices heard.
         
         Could we hope this will apply to new abortion laws that are frighting to some?

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            Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Politicians, regardless of party affiliation, need to take into account all constituents not just the ones who agree with them. There are still plenty of women in conservative states that support choice.  This is taking away, penalizing and even criminalizing that whole group.  The right to legal, safe abortion isn't compromising the pro life contingency but the same can't be said of the reverse. This is pure draconian punishment and an exercise in control. Like I said previously, there is an abundance of research and data that could guide programs to effectively reduce abortion. But where are headlines in that?
            I'm less concerned with the leak. I'm more outraged with the extreme language of Alito.  The leak is either a clerk, I believe each justice has 9 or it's one of the justices. I'm sure we will know soon.  My trust in the SCOTUS has really eroded. This decision will set women back 100 years and open the door for other privacy rights to be removed.
            Yes, we all have our one vote. I think this issue will turn many into one-issue voters. The Republican party is being moved to extremism, lead by the Trump faction. I'm very concerned that if they control the white house and Congress we will absolutely see a federal ban on abortion. This country is moving pretty quickly toward authoritarianism.
            
            Glad to see this though,
            
            https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu … bio-2022-5

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               Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I feel Musk is a very common-sense individual, he will be put in no box. He is a good problem solver.

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         My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I hope all women who value their rights move to a Free State and that Corporations with a conscience do the same.

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   Readmikenowposted 2 years ago

   The left may not realize this but there are laws against trying to intimidate judges.
   
   They are found in 18 U.C.C Section 1507 of the U.S Code.
   
   'Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both."
   
   So, should the person who is giving the home addresses of justices be prosecuted?  Yes. Should protestors who go to the homes of justices be prosecuted? Yes.
   
   Will they? NO.  Not with an incompetent, inept, political hack attorney general like Merrick B. Garland.
   
   Just when you thought Democrats couldn't sink any lower.

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      My Esotericposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      There were laws against intimidating congress people, but you saw what  Trump Republicans thought about that.

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         Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         A good diversion from the topic, but not a great one.

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   Nathanvilleposted 2 years ago

   One thing that strikes me in your opening statement to this forum is the lack of ‘Separation of Powers’ between the Legislature and the Executive in the USA e.g. the President has an influence on the appointment of new judges, based on their politics.
   
   In contrast the Supreme Court Judges in the UK (12 in total) are selected by an Independent body, and politics is not a factor in the selection process; how the Supreme Court Judges in the UK vote in elections is a private matter between them and the ballot box, so nobody knows what the politics of the Judges are in the UK – Thus a ‘separation of powers’, as it should be for a good democracy.
   
   What is the Separation of Powers?  https://youtu.be/_882Xztbh5Q

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   Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

   Good point, and yes this form of appointing High Court judges would certainly decreace problems.

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   My Esotericposted 2 years ago

   Are you going to protest the ban on contraceptives?
   
   https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/08/politics … index.html

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