NO SHOES NO SHIRTS NO CONSERVATIVES!

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 4 months ago

    This past week Maxine Waters asked her flock to harass our presidents Cabinet and those that support Trump.  Some of the media has followed up on her discriminatory words and pushed the concept of harassing American citizens for their political views.  It's amazing that this form of pure violent propaganda is being accepted by some. I am over it... Time to proclaim, the left have now gone too far!  NO JEWS ALLOWED!  NO BLACKS SERVED HERE!   NO SHOES NO SHIRTS NO CONSERVATIVES!

    The acceptance of this kind of pure hate rhetoric is not only hateful it's dangerous.

    I would appreciate your opinion on the subject. No deflecting, just an opinion on the questions.

    Is this kind of rhetoric acceptable to you? Where do you think this form of rhetoric lead?

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Could you link to a transcript or quote of her calling for people to harass the cabinet and those that support Trump. The internet is such an echo chamber, I think it's important to cite reliable sources wherever possible..Thanks.

      1. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        This article from Time has a quote(1), which is taken from a public appearance(2).

        (1) http://time.com/5320865/maxine-waters-c … on-policy/
        (2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Fu3g1MGHY

        1. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Here is a video where Maxine made the statement to harass Trumps "cabinet members  I am sorry for using the word "those" that support Trump. I was referring to president  Trumps cabinet. Here is a video where Representative Maxine Waters asked her audience to harass Trups cabinet.  https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … _side.html
          https://hubstatic.com/14104633.jpg

          1. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            I already provided a link to the same video, but thanks anyway. It's useful for people to be able to review such source material directly if they have the time or inclination to.

            I think my point still stands though. It's a bit rich to hear people who support Trump complain about uncivil rhetoric, or rhetoric that encourages violence.

            Personally, I think the approach Waters suggests is misguided, but it does not go nearly as far as some of the comments Trump had made during his candidacy and presidency.

            I'm struggling to understand why you were not concerned about Trump's comments, which do invite violence, but you are concerned about Waters' comments, which don't.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Don, You will never find me defending Trump's derogatory comments.  Not sure why you assumed I would?  I voted for Trump due to his progressive agenda. I well knew in advance of voting for him that he has a rather 'strong outspoken personality".  It was also well documented he was a womanizer and did not have the ability to give a riveting speech.

              Not sure I can think of any examples of Republican's that support Trump promoting violence in the manner many Democrats have?   Yes, the president has made inflammatory statements but in regards to right-wingers, no I can't come up with an example to compare to some of the antics that Dem's have committed.   I could give a long list of examples.   I won't because it serves no purpose, and I am sure you are aware of anything I would list.

              Now on the other hand... I would appreciate some examples of  Trump supporters advocating violence or actually causing violence. I am sure you are aware that a lot of violence occurred at Trump rallies due to left protestors showing up in masks and ready to physically fight outside campaign events. There are no reports of such violence at Hillary's rallies?   I would appreciate you not list president Trump's quotes. As I have confirmed I am very aware of Trump's derogatory inflaming comments, he has been very transparent. And I truly condemn any statements that he made that promoted violence.   I do hope to learn of how you came to your conclusion that Trump supports as a whole have used uncivil rhetoric to promote harassment or violence.

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                "And I truly condemn any statements that he made that promoted violence."

                The problem is that every word out of his mouth is "promoting violence"...in the minds of people that are existing on their own hatred of him.  He could say he had eggs for breakfast and some whacko will determine that is a reason to attack chicken farmers.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree with you 100%. But that's another subject altogether. If I were to go through president Trumps statements one by one, I think I could prove many were taken out of context, and very few would have promoted violence.  I think if h found a cure for Cancer, some would condemn him for upsetting the delicate balance of nature...

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    You're right - nearly all of them have been taken out of context.  But that's just one of the methods used to show how those comments have promoted violence...and people actually believe the claim as a result.

              2. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                I believe Waters' approach is misguided, but I watched her entire speech and she didn't advocate violence at all, not once (that's why I find it useful to review sources!)

                In contrast Trump literally said "I would like to punch [that protester] in the face"(1), and on multiple occasions encouraged members of the public to be violent, and even offered to pay their legal fees!

                And while you may not have defended Trump's comments at the time, you're doing it now by suggesting they were taken "out of context", when they very clearly weren't.

                Even if you aren't defending Trump's comments, you have certainly overlooked them, with your continued support. That is a form of acceptance.

                So if you're willing to overlook Trump's comments, which called for violence, why are you "amazed" that some people would overlook Waters' comments, which didn't? Isn't that holding other people to a higher standard than you hold yourself to?

                You asked for examples of right-wing or far-right violence. It would be impractical to list them all. Do a search on right-wing violence, or far-right violence.

                You'll find that right-wing extremists killed more people in 2017 than any other type of extremists in the country(2). I don't know if all those were Trump supporters. We do know Trump has a large following among neo nazis though. Hearing pond-life nazis shouting "Hail Trump" gives it away(3)(4).

                (1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUpphTuTKL4
                (2) https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-wa … s-in-2017/
                (3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
                (4) https://twitter.com/tomperriello/status … 1837936642

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Don, Please read my post more carefully. I clearly stated I have not defended Trump's derogatory statements.  I have the opinion that some of his statements were taken out of context, but  I am not ready to go through lengthy conversations to prove that point.

                  When I said I could list "antics that Dem's have committed."    I was clearly talking about some of the things that were done by persons that belong to the democratic party.  Actions that could clearly provoke violence. Kathy Griffen, Madonna, Johnny Depp. Robert Denaro, the list goes on and on...  Could you list a Republican that made any statements that would advocate violence?  Did Republicans show up at Clinton rallies and burn cars through bottles eggs, and beat down people that came to her rallies? These are the examples I am looking for. There are none... I realize this may be hard to face, but there are none...

                  I requested you give examples of Trump supporter or Republican that promoting or causing violence in the manner Democrats have. In regard to beating up people destroying property, burning cars...   I asked you not to give examples of Trump's derogatory statements, and a video of Trump is your first example?  .  As I stated I could find nothing online in regards to Trump supporters showing up at Clinton rallies causing problems? Your videos offer the KKK and neo-nazis? These groups are well known to cause violence,  and also well known not to adopt any specific political party.   Yes, I noted that in one of the videos a neo-nazi praising president Trump.  I don't think you could find many Republicans that would condone the KKK or Neo-nazis?   I would also question your statement that "white supremacist have killed more people in 2017 than any other extremist?  Please supply a reference on fatalities caused by neo-nazi and white supremacist. I could not locate any numbers in regards to deaths caused by either group.

                  I would appreciate some examples of  Trump supporters or Republicans advocating violence or actually causing violence. It is very unfair to associate Republicans with the  KKK or the neo-nazis.  I venture you will not be able to find any incidents of conservatives or Trump supporters inciting violence.

                  1. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    I have read your post, I just disagree with much of what you are saying. By dismissing Trumps remarks as "taken out of context" you are essentially saying his comments didn't mean what people said they mean. That is defending them.

                    But as I said, whether you agree with that or not, you have certainly overlooked Trump's comments with your continued support for him.

                    Again, if you are willing to overlook Trump's comments, why are you "amazed" that some people would overlook Waters' comments? Why is that not a double standard?

                    The views of those people you mentioned are not representative of the Democratic party. I'm not sure why you think they are. The party has a leadership team who communicate official policy positions. As far as I'm aware "Kathy Griffen, Madonna, Johnny Depp. Robert De Nero" are not on that team.

                    It's a shame you were not able to find examples of the "antics Dems have committed". Like the time Representative Michelle Bachman wanted people "armed and dangerous" on the the issue of energy tax(1).

                    Or the time Representative Steve King said "Let’s beat that other side to a pulp! Let’s take them out. Let’s chase them down"(2)

                    Or the time House Speaker John Boener said Steve Driehaus "may be a dead man" and "can’t go home to the west side of Cincinnati" because "the Catholics will run him out of town."(3)

                    Or the time Representative Louise Slaughter received a phone call threatening to "kill the children of the members who voted yes" to healthcare reform(4).

                    Or the time Representative Bart Stupak had messages left saying, “You’re dead; we know where you live; we’ll get you"(5). Want to hear them? Here they are (warning: you may find the language offensive).

                    Or the time Gabrielle Giffords' office in Tucson was vandalized (6).

                    Or the time authorities in Virginia had to investigate a cut propane line at the home of a brother of Representative Tom Perriello, after his address was listed on a Tea Party web site(7).

                    Or the time Representative James E. Clyburn (who is black) received an anonymous fax showing the image of a noose(8).

                    Or the time Maxine Waters received death threats for suggesting that people should oppose Trump's policies by personally protesting individual members of the cabinet(9).

                    In terms of  "beating up people destroying property, burning cars" please provide evidence that most people who do those things are specifically Democrats, as that seems to be the measure you are set on using, though I'm not sure how you can determine that.

                    And I agree, neo nazis and the KKK are well known for causing violence. That's exactly why I used them as an example. I didn't associate them with Republicans though, they associated themselves by chanting "Hail Trump".

                    I don't think those groups are representative of the official Republican party, any more than the views of Madonna or Johnny Depp are representative of the Democratic party. But it says something that nazis and the KKK would associate themselves with Trump. Do you have any examples of nazis chanting "hail Obama" or "hail Clinton"?

                    And how do you know how many of those nazis are Republicans? Perhaps none of them are. Perhaps all of them are.

                    In terms of white supremacists killing more people in 2017, I provided the reference in the previous comment. That's what the numbers at the end of the sentences are for. The number corresponds to the relevant reference below (10).

                    (1) https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ … p_n_178156
                    (2) https://www.huffingtonpost.com/caroline … 16467.html
                    (3) http://content.time.com/time/politics/a … 08,00.html
                    (4) https://www.politico.com/story/2010/03/ … nal-034907
                    (5) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bart-stupa … te-listen/
                    (6) https://tucson.com/news/local/crime/rep … 03286.html
                    (7) https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ … hcare-bill
                    (8) https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cl … 09365.html
                    (9) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 … aight.html
                    (10) https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-wa … s-in-2017/

      2. profile image0
        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Asking proof of the more than obvious  IS but a deflection from reality ,  Don , what is the  major problem that you cannot understand plain english , of course .........other than the political deflection that normally seems to excite you  ?

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I like to make my own mind up about what someone has said, rather than take someone else's word for it, because the internet is like an echo chamber, and one misquote or misinterpretation, can be repeated ad nauseum.

          I have not seen a direct quote from Waters calling for harassment, so wanted a source to read/ hear it for myself. I found a source, and posted it here in case someone else wanted a direct source too.

          If that bothers you in some way, then I can't really help you with that.

        2. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Asking for proof is common sense and essential to forming informed opinions about things. It’s how you weed out that “fake news” you all like to complain about.

      3. potentiam profile image61
        potentiamposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Cold

    2. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      1. The suggestion that "the left have now gone too far" implies all people on the left of the political spectrum share Maxine Waters' view on this, or it's official policy. That's untrue.

      A more accurate depiction of this would be that some people on the left are advocating or supporting this, but they have received criticism from both the left (including the Democratic leadership) and the right(1)(2).

      2. None of Waters' comments calls for violence, but she has received death threats(3). The House GOP chairman (rightly) saw fit to criticize those threats as "intolerable"(4). I'd expect anyone critical of divisive rhetoric to be even more critical of violent rhetoric, regardless of where it comes from. Like this from a couple of years ago:

      "So I got a little notice. We have wonderful security guys. It said, ‘Mr. Trump, there may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience.’ So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell .... I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
      (Donald Trump, 2016)(5)

      Do you agree, such rhetoric is totally unacceptable and should be condemned?

      3. While I don't agree with Waters' view on this, I hesitate to call it "hate" rhetoric. The transcript of her comments show she called for people to personally express their opposition specifically in reference to the current policy of separating immigrant children from their families(6). That's not the same as calling for people to be discriminated against someone because of their sex, age, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation etc or other protected characteristics.

      4. Lots of people on "the right" in the HubPages forums criticizing Water's comments, amid concerns about politics becoming "uncivil". It's a bit rich that Trump supporters would complain about incivility. I would post a list of everything uncivil thing Trump has said or done, but it would be too long.

      The fact that those people only use examples from "the left" to illustrate their points, and don't seem concerned at all when Trump is uncivil, suggests they may be paying lips service to the issue and just using it as a way of scoring some team points against "the left".

      For example, in what way is this civil? (look out for the veiled threat at the end)

      "Congresswoman Maxine Waters, an extraordinarily low IQ person, has become, together with Nancy Pelosi, the Face of the Democrat Party. She has just called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. Be careful what you wish for Max!

      Again, do you condemn rhetoric of this type?

      (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video … rican.html
      (2) https://twitter.com/nancypelosi/status/ … lang=en-gb
      (3) https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/28/poli … index.html
      (4) http://thehill.com/policy/finance/39491 … ntolerable
      (5)https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ … 5c91815913
      (6) https://docs.google.com/document/d/14vr … SaH58/edit

      1. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        "A more accurate depiction of this would be that some people on the left are advocating or supporting this, but they have received criticism from both the left (including the Democratic leadership) and the right". 


        Can anyone come up with this kind of unprovoked assaults that a Trump supporter perpetrated on a Democrat in public?  And why CNN did not see fit to cover these harassment reports. Looks like some are doing the work hat Maxine called for.  Disgusting, and CNN just did not find it necessary to report? 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgX-pQlYeW0

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRluCJl5zU

    3. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      It’s never acceptable for anyone to call for harassment or discrimination. I don’t think it needs to be a left vs right thing, it just needs to be a human thing.

      “The left” has not gone too far as we are not one single entity. I don’t know why this is so hard for people to grasp. The more you generalize and give millions of people negative attributes that a majority don’t actually possess the more you contribute to the division.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Aime, I agree with your short and wonderful beat down. Made me stop and think. I think you knocked the nail right on the head and did it in a way that promote thought.  I agree with you, right and left need to realize it' never good to generalize a group of people and insinuate negative attributes. It certainly furthers division.

        1. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks Sharlee, I really respect that you gave it some thought. It’s always nice to have a conversation with someone that doesn’t have their hands over their ears from the start.

    4. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I think a fair minded (balanced) individual can conclude from watching MSM, listening to Democrat politicians, or even from reading the majority of political rants here on HubPages that we have entered a time in America's history where facts are only factual if they fit the narrative, and literal truth can get you fired or even killed if it is deemed unacceptable.

      What we have is a somewhat collusional effort between the MSM, Life Long Politicians and FedGov Cronies, and a large number of institutions and universities to push their agenda, beliefs, and 'truths' onto the American people... in short, a George Orwellian propaganda brainwashing.  An effort to re-write our history, remove the Constitution, discard patriotism and nationalism in all forms, so that the country can progress forward into a 'One-World' or 'New-World' order.

      I wouldn't even say there are two sides to this fight, this crisis that is growing like a terminal cancer in our society (and many European nations as well)... what I would say we have instead is more and more people waking up, and finding they can no longer swallow the BS they are being fed.

      Its not exactly that they may disagree with it, but its the constant, never-ending affront on any values they may have, on their religion, or their race, or their patriotism, or their work-ethic, or that they are a man, whatever, there is no escaping it... it is no longer one group that is targeted, it is all groups. 

      However, take note of who is publicly screaming for the White House to be blown up, or the President to be assassinated, or all supporters to be assaulted, or thrown out of a restaurant.  As they are the ones screaming for violence, and rioting on the streets, in the colleges, and are on the attack, with the support of the media, and the career politicians that have been in DC 30 or 40 years, it is likely they will win, eventually.

      The end game for those that dwell under the umbrella of the Democratic Party is not to change the nation, but to eradicate the nation, and all it has stood for (good or bad) so that a new age, a global age without borders, can be ushered in.  When you understand the ultimate goal of these groups, you will realize no matter how much you acquiesce, no matter how much you are willing to compromise, it will never be enough.

      1. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        No Ken, a "fair minded (balanced) individual" would not falsely describe Waters' comments as "pure violent rhetoric" and "pure hate rhetoric" as in the opening comment.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would acknowledge that Waters' has received criticism from people on the right and left of the political spectrum, including the Democratic Party leadership.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would acknowledge the violent protests by those on the far-left, and the resurgence of Nazism and white supremacy on the far-right, and condemn them.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would acknowledge the fact that right-wing extremists were responsible for more deaths in the country last year than any other extremist group. Not as a way of scoring points, but in order to see what can be done about it.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would strongly condemn the death threats Waters' has received in response to her comments.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would not engage in special pleading to suggest that violent rhetoric from the Tea-Party was acceptable.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would not ignore the role Donald Trump has played in advocating violence. Not to score points, but to understand that having someone who advocates violence in the White House leads will inevitably lead to the norms of political discourse being eroded. That is the price of having someone like Trump int the White House.

        A "fair minded (balanced) individual" would not imply they are a "fair minded (balanced) individual" then proceed to express a view that is neither fair minded nor balanced.

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          "Fair minded" equals right wing extremism.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image89
            Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            And that right there is why the #walkaway movement is growing by tens of thousands in this country, and the 'surprise win' of Trump will turn in to a 'landslide' of support for him (and many 'conservatives') across most of America outside of CA and NY.

            After four years of listening to the propaganda and rhetoric of the left, when people realize the economy hasn't collapsed its only improved, WWIII hasn't been started in fact our war efforts have downsized, salaries are on the rise, they no longer have to pay taxes for NOT being able to afford insurance, etc. etc.  those without blinders on, or hate in their hearts, will be lining up to re-elect him.

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              If Trump can:

              1. Start showing respect for our allies
              2. Stop cutting taxes for the rich when we have a huge deficit
              3. Stop increasing national debt in violation of Republican principles
              4. Stop using the White House to enrich himself
              5. Stop coddling dictators
              6. Stop Russian interference in our elections
              7. Stop undermining the Constitution
              8. Stop attacking the FBI, CIA, NSA that are protecting our country

              I might vote for him myself. Then he will be acting like a Republican.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                I just have to ask... Do you really believe all of the things you listed about Trump? Each and every one can be defended just with simple facts. Not one is close to being factual? Not one... So very odd that you could believe any one of the things you listed?
                1. Our allies have taken advantage of our stupidity for man years. Trump is pointing out the way and means of how we have been taken advantage of. Yes, it is unpleasant, but needed doing.
                2. Trumps Tax reform is bringing the country back financially. We have many companies repatriating funds back to our shores. This year it is predicted we will see 3.4 trillion repatriated taxable funds.
                3. It is very early in Trumps presidency to predict what kind of debt he may leave?
                4. This statement is blatantly not true. he actually has donated his salary to charity for the duration of his time in office. His business ventures are being run by his sons. And any funds that his Hotel in Washington has also been donated to charity.  Many of our presidents were wealthy, and their business ventures prospered while they were in office.
                5. This is actually ridiculous?  He has at times been overly strong in most dealings with Dictators.
                6. Russia has been interfering in our elections as well as many other countries elections for a very long time. In our last election, it has been reported Obama knew that Russia was making every attempt to interfere in the election. Why didn't he warn the Trump campaign? Or better yet whatever it is you feel Trump can do about Russia interfering in elections maybe Obama should have done. Laughable
                7. There has never been a president that respects our constitution and is making sure with his Supreme Court picks to make sure it remains intact.
                8. The FBI, CIA, and I might add the DOJ all need to be scrutinized after the corrupt things that were perpetrated in the last election. It is very clear that some were not doing the job they were hired to do, and bringing partisan politics into their decision making. 

                No Trump is certainly not a typical Republican, but he is on the right track...

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  This sounds like the mutterings of somebody on Fox and Friends.

                  1. Trump says our allies have taken advantage of us. Right wing media probably says this. Nobody else says this. It's an opinion. It's not a fact.
                  2. The country had been "coming back" for 8 years. Trump gave a huge tax windfall mostly to the rich and corporations. Corporations are using that windfall for what? Mostly to buyback their own stock. Wages are stagnant.
                  3. Agreed. But current practice predicts a massive increase in the debt.
                  4. I'm not sure this matters much, but avoiding impropriety would seem like a good goal.
                  5. He seems to prefer dictatorships over democracies. A little scary. I could provide quote, but you'd say he's just playing rhetorical games.
                  6. Why didn't Obama warn the Trump campaign? Oh, I don't know, because people in Trump's campaign were colluding with Russia or getting millions of dollars in loans and might have been tipped off? You usually don't inform those who are being investigated about the investigation.
                  7. Remember, corporations are people and women need to stay in the kitchen and let men grab them at will.
                  8. When you have elaborate business dealings with Russia and you're having secret meetings with Russia and then it's discovered that Russia meddled in our elections, it seems to me that that should be something our intelligence agencies would investigate.

                2. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Your "facts" come from Fox News, which even its own commentators admit is propaganda.

                  Mine come from multiple, credible sources of information that follow standards for confirming their accuracy.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                    Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    I have stated several times I do not watch Talk Jock news... Just don't.
                    I did give my opinion on each point you found derogatory in regard to Trump...  Your list was very one-sided and in the most part not true. We certainly have different opinions, and I find no need to argue the two. I am very secure in mine, as I assume you are with yours.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image89
                Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                You are referring to semantics and etiquette, I'm talking about the vast majority that only care about one thing.  The bottom line.

                Are they better or worse off, is the economy better or worse off, etc.

                As for what is transpiring in the country right now, this gentlemen gives a great example: 

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZgDtYxTdFs

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Point well taken about the bottom line.

                  To my points, the 40% who currently approve of Trump will not like him when the massive debt spikes interest rates, trade wars push up prices and the two together trigger a recession.

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    These are the exact same people who were head-over-heels in love with the George W. Bush economy until massive debt and deregulation caused a recession, which Obama's administration then fixed. Now that Trump has taken over, it's like Obama's successes didn't even exist.

                    Now Trump is behaving exactly like Bush in many ways (raising the debt, deregulating) and apparently people expect a different result. I'm not for having it all one way or the other, but there has to be balance and when that balance is ignored, the economy and the people suffer.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Well I can honestly say I have many friends that have
              Walked Away... And they did not know about the Walk Away movement. They just got sick of belonging to a party that daily make fools of themselves.  You see, one thing about some on the left, they don't like to be beaten down day after day with crazy ideology. Plus, they realize trump is so doing well. Let's face it, who does not want the country to do better.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                "Walked Away" is a Fox News myth.

                Since 2004, the number of people who identify as Republican has declined from 32% to 27%. The number of people who identify as Democrat has increased from 28% to 29%.

                https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part … ation.aspx

                1. Ken Burgess profile image89
                  Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Well that myth has spread all over YouTube, and radio.

                  As for polls, I believe them to be as reliable and factual as CNN itself.

                  1. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Rush Limbaugh is a good example of how radio spreads a myth. Sean Hannity does it on TV. "CommyBlaster" does it on YouTube.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vji48Hejgzg

                    I find that some people reject polls only when they don't like what the polls say.

                    For example, Trump supporters on HP often tout the numbers from Rasmussen, the Republican polling firm, but reject any other poll that doesn't have the same sky-high numbers.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Your numbers are no surprise. It's well been proven that there are more registered Democratic voters than there are registered Republican voters. Hence Hillary winning by popular vote...    As a rule, there is about a 5 point average of more Democrats than Republicans. This has been true for many years. I Think by looking at the more up to date stats say more than comparing stats that date as far back as 2004?  Many people prefer to stay on the fence and when polled just are more comfortable answering independent.

                  What is more interesting in regards to the chart you offered.
                  When Obama took office  Dem's were at 36%. When Obama left office the numbers were dismal at 25%.
                  2009 Jan 9-11    - 36%
                  2017 Jan 4-8- 25%


                  In regards to Trump's numbers.
                  When he came into office his numbers were steady at 28% His numbers have been very stable with little fluctuation. Trump is certainly holding his own.
                  2017 Jan 4-8    28%
                  2018 Jun 1-13    27%

                  WalkAway is a new group that has been gaining a bit of steam on facebook as well as Twitter. Not sure about the group only that it is compiled of citizens that have walked away from the Democratic party. They tell their stories on the groups Facebook page.
                  https://www.facebook.com/groups/OFFICIA … ign/about/

                  1. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    And in August 2011 it was 26%, and in January 2012 it was 38%. Trends matter more than anomalies.

                    You are evading my point. You are claiming that somehow there is a massive new movement to quit the Democratic Party. Actual facts from credible sources don't back up that claim.

                    It's more likely that "WalkAway" is yet another propaganda campaign from Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the National Enquirer.

                    You believe Facebook? Really? Vladamir Putin's favorite propaganda tool?

    5. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Update ---  Going back to the subject of my post.  Can anyone come up with this kind of unprovoked assaults that a Trump supporter perpetrated on a Democrat in public?  And why CNN did not see fit to cover these harassment reports. Looks like some are doing the work hat Maxine called for.  Disgusting, and CNN just did not find it necessary to report? 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgX-pQlYeW0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRluCJl5zU

      1. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Again, Maxine Waters did not call for vaiolence. Here is a transcript of her comments.

        I have told you the same thing several times in this forum, and even linked to this video of her speech so you can hear her words for yourself.

        So you know Waters did not advocate violence. You also know that Waters has repeatedly, explicitly stated that she does not advocate or support violence.

        Yet you persist in suggesting she "called for" violent harassment even though you know she hasn't.

        I hate to be blunt, but that's just lying, and I don't understand why you feel the need to degrade yourself in that way.

        If you believe I'm wrong, please point out where in her comments Maxine Waters calls for people to commit violence.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Did you happen to have a look at the two videos I offered you to show just what hateful rhetoric such as Waters statement
          "Push back" can be incited?

          And again you deflect!!! ??? Still waiting on your proof that white supremest groups killed 25 people last year?  All your fluffy words just don't offer proof of anything. Now does it?  Oh here is another video where " Mad Max" claims  " I will take Trump out"!  Not pretty, this woman clearly does support violence. There are plenty more where his one came from.

          Don't appreciate being called a liar. "Degrade" is a big word, and I imagine a good friend of yours.  You constantly make statements you can't back up, you give off the wall admonishments, that are for lack of a better word, crazy. How about you do a bit of research on Maxine Waters crazy violence inciting statements. There are lots of youtubes showing her brand of crazy. But before you check out Mad Max, get back to me with that white suprematist resource. You know the one where it claims they were responsible for 25 deaths last year.  You are living up to a perfect example of a left-wing supporter, deflect, say anything, even without a bit of proof to back it up. Oh, and if all fails stamp your feet, and call names. Your soapbox is teetering.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKzSJzqnsuU

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            All of your videos were produced by a team paid for by Sheldon Adelson that included professional actors.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Really, WEll here is another video where Jessie Waters is interviewing the lad's hat was attacked? And the leftist's perpetrator is identified, along with his prior rap sheet?  The other gentleman that was dragged by a car, has been all over also been all over various Florida local news networks? Actually not sure these nightly news jocks would be a part of a "Sheldon Adelson mock crime? I don't post any resource I can't trust.  Oh, and my other video is a clip from CNN?  Why comment just to be belligerent? 


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leTcRWUhS2U

              RESIST it's good for you! ???

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                All actors paid for by Sheldon Adelson.

          2. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            You said Maxine Waters "called for" incidents like the ones you keep referring to. She did not.

            The most you can say is that her comments have been interpreted by others in that way.

            Waters herself has explicitly said, several times, that she is calling for peaceful protest in relation to her comments:

            "I believe in peaceful, very peaceful protests"(1)

            "Protest is about peaceful resistance to the kind of actions that we are experiencing from this president"(3)

            "I believe in peaceful protest. It is guaranteed to you in a democracy"(4)

            Which aspect of the word "peaceful" is not clear to you? Do you believe "peaceful" means throwing your drink over someone or being violent towards someone? If you do, then I suggest you check the definition of the word.

            And in relation to "take Trump out", Waters has explicitly said what she means by that too:

            "The only harm I might be doing to the President is I want him impeached"(5)

            Which aspect of the word "impeached" is not clear to you? Do you believe "impeach" and "assassinate" are the same thing? Again, if so I suggest you check the definition of the word.

            But of course you know all this, because I've already referred you to Waters' clarifying comments. So your statements that she has called for violence is intentionally false.

            "lie
            noun
            1. an intentionally false statement.

            I'm sorry you don't like the fact that your statements meet the definition of "lie", but I don't have any control over that.

            And this is now the third time you have asked for references to the fact that right-wing extremists killed more people in the country last year than any other extremist group, and the third time I have provided them(6)(7). The thing with source material is that you need to read it to know what it says.

            Note: in case you're not sure, (6)(7) means see link number (6) and (7) in the list of references below, which I have labelled "References".

            I await your inevitable accusation that the information is biased because it contains information you don't like, but do feel free to prove me wrong.

            References
            (1) https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/25/poli … index.html
            (2) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … onald-tru/
            (3) http://thehill.com/homenews/house/39408 … r-violence
            (4) http://thehill.com/homenews/house/39405 … est-is-the
            (5) https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/24/poli … index.html
            (6) https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-wa … s-in-2017/
            (7) https://www.adl.org/media/10827/download

    6. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I don't see how one obnoxious member of Congress equals 60% of America.

      And her stupid comment is not nearly as inflammatory as the comments that have streamed out of Trump.

    7. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Once again the left send out a hateful "dog Whistle'  with this cover of the New Yorker...  Once again I ask the question - Is this kind of rhetoric acceptable to you? Where do you think this form of rhetoric lead? Very simple question.

      It only takes one person to take up the call of the left, and try to kill the president. Only one...  This kind of rhetoric is dangerous.

      https://hubstatic.com/14131603.jpg

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Cmon, Sharlee, it is just a cartoon for pete's sake. Do you just want to censor all anti-Trump political cartoons, or does your concern apply generally to all forms of political commentary and harpooning regardless of source?

        This is what "free press" means, I am not willing to give it up regardless of the target or ideology.

      2. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Here we go again. Where is your complaint thread about this?

        https://media-assets-01.thedrum.com/cache/images/thedrum-prod/s3-news-tmp-90538-trump_cnn--2x1--940.png

        This is from a video(1) tweeted by Donald Trump while he was president(2). Were you not outraged and concerned about it? If not, why is that?

        And if it's OK for the president to post this video, why isn't it OK for the New Yorker to post that cartoon?

        (1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHvLtn2BhOk
        (2) https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … nn-n779031

        1. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Still can't just answer the simple question.

          1. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Actually, I think he does answer the question. He is pointing out a double standard.

            Your post basically demands a higher standard for anyone who opposes Trump and a lower one for anyone who supports him.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              No, he is completely deflecting assuming I had no opinion on the video he posted. Actually, I felt the same outrage when Trump tweeted the violent video. It seems very unfair that Don makes such a judgment. It seems he has a chip on his shoulder and tends to want to play "I got ya"...  And still, no one wants to delve into my question. However, I ultimately got my answer, just by observing all the responses.

          2. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Ditto

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              LOL. A simple response from a complicated thinker...

        2. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Don,  You once again deflect, and I can see you actually don't even realize it?  You seem to feel you can just assume what my feelings were about the video Trump tweeted. .Actually, I felt the same outrage when Trump tweeted that dog whistle video that ultimately could promote violence. It seems very unfair for you to make such a judgment. No need to answer my question. I got my answer reading your many frenzied responses.  You may not even realize it but you constantly make comparisons to make an attempt to share your opinion. Your opinion is totally lost in playing the silly game of "I got ya. In the end, your opinion is lost.  Drowned it out with your bitter sentiment --- "Well he did this". You don't stop to understand what is being said.

          1. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Actions speak louder than words. If you're equally concerned and "outraged" by violent rhetoric from the right and the left, then post examples from the right and the left.

            All you've done is post examples of (what you consider to be) violent rhetoric from the left. That's peddling a false narrative.

            The New Yorker cover is a case in point. It depicts a metaphor for Trump's performance this week (he's fallen flat on his face - get it?) with no violence at all. In contrast, the video tweeted by the president showing him violently attacking someone with the CNN logo on their face, is a clear depiction of violence. Still, in your mind the New Yorker cartoon deserves being posted as an example of violent rhetoric, while the Trump video is ignored by you. That's a double standard.

            By focusing only on the left, and mentioning examples from the right only when prompted, you've chosen partisanship over serious discussion. That's your prerogative, but if that causes people not to take you seriously on the issue, that's on you. Rather than accusing them of being "unfair" to you, take responsibility for your choices.

            If you don't like the way people have judged how you've chosen to discuss this issue, make better choices about how you discuss the issue. Stop trying to make it a partisan matter for a start. That's insulting to sensible people's intelligence. There are lots of sensible people on the HubPages forums, and you need sensible people to have a sensible discussion, so insulting their intelligence is a good example of a poor choice.

            In short, don't pedal false narratives, don't apply double standards, and don't insult sensible people's intelligence. It's really that simple.

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              ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              "Then post examples from the right and left ........"


              https://hubstatic.com/14134102.jpg

              You can keep asking for the proof that's shown every day in America all over the media  and still you refuse to remove  the blindfold , so why ask for "proof."to begin with ?

            2. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Don, 
              "All you've done is post examples of (what you consider to be) violent rhetoric from the left. That's peddling a false narrative."

              Actually,  there have been no examples of right-wing dog whistles as of late. Now if something pops up I will post it. I try to keep up with the here the now...  In regards to false narratives, that's your opinion. I have no respect for your opinion. You dribble on and on say nothing of consequence.
              Oh and not sure you are the one that should be fully representing the "sensible people of Hubpages"...   I will say you do a great job at representing some that lean to the left.   However, I very much doubt if many cares to have you speak for them?

              1. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, strange that there are no political cartoons about a Democratic president in the "here and now". It's almost as if there isn't a Democratic president any more. Go figure.

                But don't worry, we can still compare anti-Trump cartoons with anti-Obama cartoons. Here's an anti-Obama cartoon that appeared in the New York Post:

                https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-02-18-cartoon.jpg

                Let me guess. This isn't an example of violent (and racist) political rhetoric because [insert excuses here].

                I'm not surprised you have to resort to derogatory comments. Your argument is so devoid of merit what else is there for you to do.

                But I'm not the one who started a thread about the issue of violent and hateful rhetoric, then had to hide one of my own comments because it contained a persona attack. That was you:


                https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4016193

                And yet you would have us believe you're not being hypocritical and applying double standards. As I said before, actions speak louder than words.

                As a minimum I try to apply my principles (such as they are) consistently and honestly across each topic of discussion, but some people can't even be bothered to do that. Instead they offer false narratives and misinformation. Then when they are challenged, all they can offer are personal insults. I'm certainly not the most sensible person on the forums, but I'm glad to say I have more sense than that.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Not sure why I am responding... However, many of the examples of the lefts harassment had nothing to do with "a president"?   Examples -  Steve Scalise; Sarah Sanders; Rand Paul, Stephen Miller; Mitch McConnell; Kirstjen Nielsen; Mike Pence; Ivanka Trump; Lara Trump' Barron Trump. Plus need I list American citizens that have been harassed?

                  And you know what, I can't come up with anyone that received personal harassment due to supporting Obama. Republicans in general just don't lower themselves. In regards to resorting to derogatory comments. I was so worn down from your dribble, just had to do it...   I backed up my point throughout this thread with facts that you did not acknowledge. You deflect and go climb onto a soapbox. But you just don't make any sense. Sorry, that's the way I see it.

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                    ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee ,  I once had respect in these forums for the voices of moderation that I THOUGHT some people had  ;   It has since become easy to group the left all together when it comes to the abject failure of those here who deny the scale of violent rhetoric between  right and the left in America .

                    The left has manifested violent rhetoric into a daily movement in the streets causing for one , the  killing of cops at a rate of one a day lately ,  occupying ICE offices , promoting  anarchy in general all the while denying any responsibility for any of it  or suggesting there is an equal amount from the right ?

                    Now , we are watching as  alinskyism hijacks democratic platforms as centrist democrats  remain silent ,  I am reminded of that old saying from WWII,; 


                    https://hubstatic.com/14136934.jpg

                    So now they are calling Trump treason esque ?

                  2. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    "Many examples". How about focusing on the exact example you posted. That was a picture of Donald Trump falling flat on his face (do you get it yet?) Your commentary on that image is: "Once again the left send out a hateful 'dog Whistle'".

                    It's been pointed out by multiple people that the cartoon doesn't depict violence, and the cartoonist himself said the cartoon comments on Trump's performance with Putin(1).

                    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b4fe34f808c6f2c4030c232/master/w_6000,c_limit/CoverStory-STORY_blitt_escalator.jpg

                    So why are you posting a picture that doesn't depict violence, as an example of violent rhetoric?

                    And if you're only interested in examples of violent rhetoric that are "nothing to do with 'a president"', why are you posting (supposed) examples that are to do with a president?

                    Helpful fella that I am, I have posted an example of a cartoon referencing a Democratic president which actually does depict violence (and racism).

                    https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-02-18-cartoon.jpg

                    So was this cartoon an example of "the right" sending out a hateful 'dog Whistle'"? If so, why didn't you include this as an example of the issue you are so concerned about, as it's a much stronger one?

                    If you think it's not an example of a right-wing dog whistle, then why isn't it?

                    (1) https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cover … 2018-07-30

      3. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        You mentioned that you did not get an answer to your question.

        I am fine with political cartooning and lampooning, and as far as Trump is concerned, the depiction that you provide is quite mild in comparison with what others are creating. The cartoon gives us a chuckle and perhaps make us think seriously about the issue that is its object. So, IT does not lead anywhere that we otherwise would not need to go.

        The "rhetoric" is only dangerous to the right who has an innate fear of free expression, in a way similar to the vast number of tyrants ruling around the globe as a popular threat to their remaining in power.

        The only thing killed would be the ratings of the late night comics losing one of the greatest sources of comic material in years...

        IMHO, of course.

        The saying goes if you can't stand the heat.....

        Every President had to endure being the subject on the easel of the political cartoon artist. Mr. Trump and his supporters need to evolve thicker skins, because this is the way things work in reality.

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          ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I believe Trump looks at his  mindless obstruction as just exactly  what it is .  MINDLESS .

          Do you think that it bothers him .

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            From Trump's point of view, anyone not kissing his arse IS a source of obstruction....

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              ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Obama -------you kissed his why ?  Skin Color ? Yes  absolutely !

              1. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Obama was working along with my principles. He was already doing what I thought best so I did not need to have my nose knee deep into his 'crack' like you obviously are doing in regards to Trump, defending his every stupidity without shame?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Really?  Your principles include a President choosing which of the laws congress enacted to enforce and which not to based on a very personal sense of right and wrong?  It includes forcing people to purchase products they don't want and cannot afford?  It includes forcing young people just starting out in life to subsidize older people?  It includes padding private business pockets in order to provide "insurance" to the poor that they cannot afford to use?

                  You have strange principles.  IMHO.

                  1. Credence2 profile image80
                    Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    "You have strange principles.  IMHO."

                    Yes, from the perspective of any rightwinger, I suppose that I would......

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                  ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Your response is almost the  du----t thing I've ever read here .

                  1. Credence2 profile image80
                    Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    "Your response is almost the  du----t thing I've ever read here ."

                    But not the du-----t thing ever written, that is acknowledged as this:


                    "Obama -------you kissed his why ?  Skin Color ? Yes  absolutely !"

        2. GA Anderson profile image80
          GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Damn. When I first saw that cartoon - before I read Sharelee01's comment, I thought it was a jab at Pres.Trump, as in "... so clumsy he couldn't even negotiate an escalator.

          How was i to know it was supposed to infer a violent attack on Pres. Trump? Geesh, maybe a caption would have helped dense folks likme me.

          GA

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Evening, GA, the cartoon seem to remind me of one having been steam rollered, trampled. Given  the events of the past few days, it is easy to see how Mr. Trump would fit the bill. I did not find the cartoon violent at all. If you want to see some "nasty ones", do an image search on Google referencing Cartoon, Helsinki, Trump and Putin......

            1. GA Anderson profile image80
              GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, now that you mention it, I can see the "steamrollered" effect. Still the same thought for me - I didn't get a "kill Trump" impression as its meaning.

              GA

    8. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      IT's been a busy week for the far left radicals... 

      Federal authorities arrested an upstate New York man accused of leaving menacing voicemails on the office phones of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-Jefferson, and another congressman. The police found several weapons and bomb-making supplies in this home.
      https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge … 6d9a1.html

      Brandon Ziobrowski, 33, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, was arrested Thursday morning after posting on Twitter in July that he would give $500 to anyone who would kill an ICE agent. And asked for more to contribute to the fund.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-cour … er-n899146

      Conservative activists having a meal were driven from a restaurant by Antifa group. Police had to step in to protect them...

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/politics … index.html

  2. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    I love it when those from the left say "No , we have not gone too far , we're just exercising our first amendment  rights " 

    And yes , AT THAT POINT ,   it is a left or right thing  . To  want  a civil discussion from the right ," can't get the right to listen to reason ",  "the right is causing all the problems "  "The right is taking the country backwards ....." ?  All the while it is the left that has raised their battle  flag high ,  busing their political activism right into a civil disturbances downtown ,  So someone tell us all please ,Who it is that always throws the first and most bricks in virtually every civil disturbance in America ?

    Whats happening today is that the traditional democrat has let their party be hijacked by the alt-left......and the alt-left news media , period .    So now what happens ?   

    The traditional democrat doubles down on defending the very tactics of this activist  alt-left and expects the right to politically "turn the other cheek "? ..........Again

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Why should anyone take your supposed concern about violent rhetoric seriously, when it only seems to apply to people on the left?

      Where were your complaints about such rhetoric when Trump called for protesters to be roughed up, punched in the face etc?(1) Why didn't you complain about any of those comments?

      When someone on HubPages creates a forum condemning violent rhetoric from across the political spectrum (including the president) and not just the left, their complaints may be taken seriously.

      Until then these complaints come across as hypocritical and phoney.

      (1) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donal … -violence/

    2. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      This is exactly the kind of gaslighting that occurs on sites like Fox News, Breitbart, and Alex Jones. You watch these news outlets regularly and you become the kind of hateful, vile person you see on them day in and day out.

      If your skin is too dark, your skirt is too short, or your accent is too thick, you get what you deserve (that's the right-wing answer to most of "those" people).

      Since 100% of political violence comes from the left, you must wonder why that is. Here are some guesses: if you're a citizen and your voting rights are restricted or you're simply prevented from voting, I imagine that makes you mad. If you're a woman, and your pu**y gets grabbed, I imagine that makes you mad. If you're a citizen and the police stop you for no reason or shoot you for no reason, that probably makes you mad. When those things happen over and over again to you, your choices are between just accepting "what you deserve" and violence.

      I can see where some might choose violence.

  3. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 4 months ago

    I have to agree "some on the left have pretty well drawn a line, and find it acceptable to defend the line of resistance, and have no problem inciting violence. Then have the defense " it's for the good of all".  Dem's in office can not only turn the table quickly to blame those on the right for any violence, they are quick to deflect off a subject they can't defend.  In my opinion, the far left is killing the center Dem's.  In the end, it has hurt their party and made them look foolish to many not only on the right but left.  In my lifetime I have never witnessed this kind of division. So, makes it hard to predict the outcome.  Can't I even imagine the next presidential election...

    1. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Anet yet right wingers own most of the guns in this country ...

  4. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    DonW , Because only someone locked in a storeroom for the last fifty years wouldn't know full well that ALL politically motivated violence in the USA  is perpetrated by leftist inspired causes and leftist people.  Fact

    One would have to be a mental midget to assume that the political  right is in the streets , burning cruisers , tearing down statues , occupying campus headquarters ................but I don't have to prove that out , it's more than obvious .

    Next ?

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Ok you got me. For a minute I thought you were serious.

      Then I realized no sensible person would seriously suggest that "ALL politically motivated violence in the USA  is perpetrated by leftist inspired causes and leftist people".

      No one would make such an obviously and demonstrably false statement and expect to be taken seriously.

      So well done, very funny.

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        So , you'll show us the equal violent activism FROM the right ......................umm ,when ?

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Biblical , Is the best way to describe the hypocritical hate game from the left , They use people like this to convey a message of hate and propel their party into the future  ?

    And yet Trump is the hater ?

    https://hubstatic.com/14105652.jpg


    https://hubstatic.com/14105654.jpg


    https://hubstatic.com/14105655.jpg

    1. Aime F profile image84
      Aime Fposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I must have missed when the left gathered together and appointed Kathy Griffin and Samantha Bee as representatives? Weird, that seems like it would be big news...

      As for Waters, plenty of Democrats have condemned and disagreed with her statements. She’s still an individual with her own thoughts and mind and just because she says something doesn’t mean everyone automatically agrees with it. Do you agree with every single thing that Republican representatives have ever said?

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        You obviously miss the volume and categorical imbalance of hate , obstruction , resistance and the leadership role of those with the microphone choke hold these pundits  have over their people .But go ahead , play down that importance of this mass communication .

        And then wonder why mainstream America is getting angry.

  6. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 4 months ago

    Indeed, Spanky is simply misunderstood by the left. He's actually a very honest and humble individual who would never cause any sort of political scandal, a real saint....

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      ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Good to see you may finally be seeing a light Randy ..............No ? , ...........Figures .

  7. Rodric29 profile image79
    Rodric29posted 4 months ago

    It is not acceptable to me. I am not a fan of President Trump. I did not like him before his election and I have not changed my opinion of his character since. I do not believe in his tactics and I do not believe in the Left's tactics either. As a conservative, I would not be getting served! I am not Republican, but I lean Republican. Discrimination against people for political views is mean a least, unconstitutional at worst. I am not going to say all discrimination is wrong. I don't believe that. I will not serve a naked person in my establishment. I will serve a Jew, Gay person, Muslim, ETC. I don't do crazy, much.

  8. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 4 months ago

    Who wouldn't want such a man as a role model for their children? "Yes Daddy, but the president doesn't have to tell the truth, so why should I?  Because honey, no one expects him to. See the difference? If you inherit lots of money you can cheat, lie, and insult whoever you like. "   The new American way...

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      ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      If it's true he learned that in NYC your great  liberal enclave of the east .

    2. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Randy,
      Children learn quickly there are all kinds of people, some not as virtuous as others.  I would more worry about leaving my children a country that has no opportunity. The opportunity to be self-sufficient, to work and prosper in a safe country. I would tell my child I made a choice between two candidates.  One offered an agenda of change,  jobs, safety, immigration reform, reform NAFTA, and more...  One that I knew well due to living through all of her scandals., and early on made it apparent that she felt she did not even need to campaign.  She gave the appearance that she was owed the presidency.  She was haughty and insulting to those that opposed her. She was "careless"  due to using an unsecured server in her home while Secretary Of State. 

      I guess if one has a problem explaining president Trump's personality to their children they might consider saying this - Human beings are complex. President Trump at times gets caught up in mistruths,  but he also keeps promises and is doing a good job as president.   Many presidents while campaigning make promises, but just don't keep them.   So dear child of mine, you must learn that a human being can make mistakes, and even lie. However, can also have wonderful qualities, such as keeping their word.  Human beings are complex,  and one should not sit in judgment unless perfect "...

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee , Have you perhaps forgotten that liberals have a history of lies from Obamas and  Clintons ,
        And yet seek to hold Trump to a completely new set of rules for his presidency than theirs ?

        And still claim they know a lie from a cardboard box?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image91
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          No, I have not forgotten the lies of previous presidents a well as most politicians.  I was trying to just address Randy's post. Making an attempt to stay on point. I am not willing to waste to much time on a comment that will most likely not be understood due to differences in ideology.

          I did point out Trump is building a reputation for keeping his promises. Which I find personally a wonderful attribute.    If one were to read the list of lies that Trump has been accused of by media, they would see most are statements taken out of context and him misquoting someone else's information.    Now if one were to takes a look a some of the lies of Clinton and Obama, that were purposeful lies. It's easy to see the difference in severity and intent.

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            ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Randy is just one hypocrite in the party , Why ?    Because he has worked for people much like Trump and enjoyed the benefit of that employment , not liking the boss is a very natural thing , is the boss efficient , successful , a true leader ? Yes.   I guess  liberals can only emote their way through politics , they HAVE to like the leader to follow them  and recognize their accomplishments .

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    There is a fine line between the antics of "almost " calling for violence , Waters etc..... and a rhetorical Trump speech about "punching him in the face ..."  So tell us all please what's acceptable  rhetoric ,almost ?..... 3/4ths ?, ......7/8ths ?

    Truth is , everybody here knows which party actually engages in the vast majority of violence , no questions asked , no proof needed .

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Capital Police today arrest a man threatening to kill Rand Paul's entire family and dismember them with an axe .   Does this count as a democratic  minor crime ?

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Don.W , I've seen enough political BS for two lifetimes in the last two pages here !  Anyone who suggests that there is more than ten percent of responsibility of the activist and violent rhetoric coming from the right is just plain politically  delusional .     Seriously , you want  forum readers here to believe that the KKK and Nazi's first are associated with the right , and are making  one quarter of the noise that the microphones and megaphones of the left are making?  Pure hogwash .  What I do believe is that a couple of people here don't watch any of our daily news media or scan the net news though .

    Riots , campus marches and protests , media and leftist justified and  driven cop killings ,  boycotting of right wing businesses , racial  hate speech and activism , politically inspired and directed street activism ......... Say nothing about the incredible amount of media bias AGAINST Trump .You're obviously having a mole hill or mountain vision loss issue , better make an appointment  .

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I'm applying the same standard to the right as Sharlee01 is to the left.

      In her view, left-wing rioters should be associated with the Democratic party, because they likely voted Democrat. By the same standard Nazis should be associated with the Republican party, because they likely voted Republican.

      If you think that standard is unreasonable, take it up with Sharlee01.

      Also, I don't think campus demonstrations etc. really compare to 20 people killed in 2017 by right-wing extremists.

      Still, I can acknowledge some people on the left commit violence in the name of their political views.

      Can you acknowledge that since Trump became a presidential candidate, Nazis, the KKK and white nationalists have become emboldened and more prominent on the national stage?

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        If they have they are nowhere near the numbers of and the  normalcy of  active extremists from the left , Sure I'll acknowledge there's extremism on the right , BUT by scale --actually miniscule to the amount on the left ; For instance ,we can attribute every cop killed to leftism activism Don , can you say that about the right , 95 % of riots =left . , right ?

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          "we can attribute every cop killed to leftism activism Don"

          Is that truly is the statement you intended to make? If it is, it's a very interesting claim and I'd love to see your evidence for it.

          In terms of Nazis and the KKK, I don't think it matters how many people are involved. What matters is the amount of harm they cause. 20 deaths are attributed to right-wing extremists in 2017 (more than any other extremist group) yet you are fixated on campus protests and democratic politicians who make misguided remarks but don't actually call for violence.

          I think you, and others complaining about Waters' comments,need to get some perspective, and get your priorities straight. What are you doing about right-wing extremism?

          Meanwhile, hopefully Sharlee01 will provide links to the type of violence she has been talking about, so we can be clear about what she means when she talks about violence by people "that belong to the democrats".

          1. Sharlee01 profile image91
            Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Don, I did not realize you wanted the videos of Trump Rallis where the left provoked violence?  I have provided just a few below.

            I must ask you to provide a resource to back up your claim that "white supremest were responsible for 20 deaths in 2017? Have I not been able to find any information in regard to your claim? AS I posted in earlier post-Trump supporters did not show at the few rallies Clintons had.  No violence, no problems. This is just the fact. The left protesters showed up at most Trump rallies and were violence.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NImsjJ … verified=1
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWIMt9J … verified=1
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6NcjaBYrQ
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuOVDAUuyWU
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4QOPnvl78
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9g1uuI62m0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UURfMIHYE
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be7qg1SOjZ8
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzBx41mOwVM
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZhWQ71qdU
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK6NcjaBYrQ
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timVG06KX8M
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsUHllK01d8
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxoL8tHSa7g
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb8OwFafRkA
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlWVua_CRfk

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
              JAKE Earthshineposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Of course protesters show up at Trump rallies, they're protesting a mentally unstable elderly megalomaniac who fails to condemn and in some instances embraces Nazis, White Nationalists and the KKK, what else do you expect from Americans?

              Do you expect Americans to just remain idle while one bozo looking madman tries to radicalize the USA, destroying our economy, the constitution and our institutions while doing so?

              My ancestors fought mightily in WW2 to eradicate the fascist trump's of the world, I suppose your relatives were passive at that time?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Jake that's your opinion. However, Trump won, and we that voted for him expected civility.  The Dem's have shown they know little about civility or common sense.  However the Dem's have helped our cause, and we did not have to put on masks or little pink hats and take to the streets. All we needed to do is give them more rope... LOL

                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  No opinion, it's fact Sharlee01 but it's your prerogative to accept said facts: Mr. Trump has been LOSING conservative red districts in special elections across the country and with his approval rating at an abysmal 41% if you discount conservative heavy Rasmussen polls, below Jimmy Carter's 42% rating at the same time during his tenure, republicans are in serious trouble for very good reason:

            2. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              No worries. Easy to miss comments.

              Thanks for the links, which make it easier to understand what you are referring to. I hope it goes without saying that I condemn the actions by some of the people in those videos.

              As I said though, if you believe violent protesters who vote Democrat, represent the Democratic party, then by the same standard Nazis and KKK members who vote Republican, represent the Republican party.

              On the other hand, if you maintain that Nazis and KKK members who vote Republican don't represent the Republican party, then by the same standard, violent protesters who vote Democrat, don't represent the Democratic party.

              Either way, you have to apply the same standard to both.

              I think it's reasonable to conclude that violent protesters don't represent Democrats, and Nazis don't represent Republicans. I think it's up to the people who do represent Democrats, Republicans and independents to be united in our condemnation of violence in politics.

              Maxine Waters doesn't speak of violence in her speech, and in case there is any doubt, has repeated the message that she is against violence. So although I think the approach she suggests is misguided, I don't think it's reasonable to say her comments were "pure violent propaganda" and "pure hate rhetoric". They certainly can't be seen as comparable to anything in those videos.

              When someone on the right critcizes Waters' comments, but fails to criticize the death threats she has received in response, or Trump's uncivil comments about her, it sends the message that violent and uncivil rhetoric is only wrong when you can accuse the the "other side" of doing it. I think that's the wrong message.

              As Aime F rightly said at the beginning, this should not be a "left vs right thing, it just needs to be a human thing".

              Everyone who has the capacity to care about people should be against Nazis, the KKK, and protesters who harm others. It should be the one thing left and right can agree on.

              I've provided that reference before, but here it is again(1). And here is the report the article references(2).

              (1) https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-wa … s-in-2017/
              (2)  https://www.adl.org/media/10827/download

            3. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Once again, those videos are of professional actors paid for by Sheldon Adelson. All of them are fake.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                I suggest you actually check the videos out, I don't use off the wall resources. Many of these are from CNN, Fox, Frist Edition, MSNBC ...  Do you really think by not accepting these truths they just did not happen? LOL These flicks are in the various networks archives.   You sound ridiculous, even thinking these horrendous violent incidents were staged.   Each has been well covered by several networks as they occurred.

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry, but this is the same reasoning the right always uses - somebody is an actor paid for by George Soros.

                  Anne Coulter recently went so far as to claim the immigrant families separated at the border were actors.

                  This idea of fake news to the point of being staged is an invention of the right that has made reasonable dialogue impossible because many on the right - those who watch Fox and read Breitbart and listen to Alex Jones - are incapable of discerning facts from fiction.

                  So I will just continue to use the same reasoning that the Right uses. Your videos are actors and, if they're not, they're getting what they deserve. If they didn't wear such short skirts, they wouldn't be harassed.

      2. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Nazis are Republican because they vote for Republicans?  Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you have any idea about Nazi Germany?  I suggest you read a book called  "The German Dictatorship" by Karl Dietrich Bracher. It is a fascinating book.  If anything, Nazis were far more like Democrats. They wanted to control every aspect of the German life and economy.  Nazis believe in free education, free health care, everyone be given a job...they were very much like Democrats. Republicans are now and always have been for a free market economy, individual responsibility and more.  Wow.

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
          JAKE Earthshineposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Not sure where you get this false info but I guess it's expected by now from Trump fans:

          Here's the truth: nazis "Hail Trump":

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

        2. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I'm applying the same standard to the right as Sharlee01 is to the left.

          In her view, left-wing rioters should be associated with the Democratic party, because they likely voted Democrat. Well, by the same standard, Nazis and the KKK should be associated with the Republican party, because they likely voted Republican.

          If you think that standard is unreasonable, raise it with Sharlee01.

          If Nazis are more like Democrats, then show me the videos of a room full of Nazis shouting "Hail Obama", or "Hail Clinton" the way they shouted "Hail Trump"(1).

          Show me an example of a KKK newspaper endorsing Obama or Clinton the way Trump was endorsed(2).

          Show me an example of David Duke (former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan) saying he will "fulfill the promises" of Obama, or Clinton, like he did with Donald Trump.

          (1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
          (2) https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016- … ng-n676686
          (3) https://twitter.com/mykalmphoto/status/ … 3157974018

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Don W , Almost that entire rift { I won't call it a rant }was false biased simply upon the scale of party rhetoric , since when does a small fringe of "nazi's" or even  KKK speaking out around  an election the voice OF  the right , the voice OF  any candidate or the voice OF a party ? 

    Where the rhetoric of the democratic hate factory is complete from it's inception in the classrooms , through the doors of media front entrance and back exit , right to the street sanctioned parades , protests and violence  against society .

    You haven't yet spoken to the scale of rhetorical difference ,  The "Tea Party " really ? The most non violent entity created since the the inception  of the boy scouts of America ,   You cannot begin to  seriously compare the miniscule acts attributed to causes of the right  as compared to the mass activism on the left , Try as you might to equalize overall blame , from the position on the right ; It just ain't working Don .Try as you might to be the moderate and spread the blame  It simply leads me to believe that the best of us all too often have turned off their tellies and are just ignoring the "real " reality .

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    While I'm not surprised , the ignoring of the very scale or evidence is your problem Don and also a very self-identifying characteristic of belonging to the left , so be it , No one is very surprised .   My evidence is a lifetime of being very observant of human nature , of being informed by an near addiction to not just the wording of all media but the thoughts behind the words ,   the direction and the  agendas of the message ,  the lifelong evolution of the agenda's of both parties , of all the parties anywhere near important in US politics .
    That's my evidence.

    Jees' Don , turn your TV on for a day , I'll neither ask nor provide  "evidence "  more than that .    The party of the left  and by silent and passive inclusion -ALL of the left ,   holds all the responsibility in their {your ] hands right now in America for the vast majority of that listed below ;

    +Political message
    +Political platform
    +Ideological  rhetoric
    +Demonstrable activism
    +Media inclusivity
    +Resulting  Political Violence

    The  habit of plausible deniability is a party habit , it has been evident in about every thread of politics I've ever seen here .  It should be remembered that, that is a battle strategy of leftism not only in America but all over the world .  We read of it in the words of the Koran too ,  Hitler used the strategy quite effectively with his youth corp, , teach it all to the innocents all the while denying  that agenda  exists .   

    The Left , the alt-left should remember this long into the future , These political activist  habits and agenda's have a very proven history ,  Your party and by inclusion - you, will own the responsibility for the end results of violence in America , beginning this November , in the next elections , the next administration .
    Who will be the judge ?      The vast , the silent and the moral majority exists  in America , it remains strong and powerful in it's  vigilance .   That's no in any way a threat , it is simply a truth .

    Evidence ; We  held their noses all through Obama's disastrous leadership , and then willfully elected Trump still holding our noses knowing all about him . Now the left should perhaps follow that lead , hold their noses  and let him serve.

    But , they won't.

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      It's simple. You're claiming: "we can attribute every cop killed to leftism activism". If that's true it should be very easy for you to provide evidence that proves your claim. If you can't find any, why do you think that is?

      Alternatively, if you believe I have to accept your statement just because you it's based on your "lifetime of being very observant", fine, I will apply the same standard:

      It' a fact that we can attribute every cop killed to right-wing activism.
      I know this because of a lifetime of being very observant.

      By your standard you now have to accept that as true. Do you?

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Don,
    Comparing "...........by my standard .....",  I'd then have to believe one of two things . You were either born yesterday and know no better in asking  or you chose ,because of your bias , to attempt to equalize the blame game for all the leftist violence and the very little conservative violence . I  DO know which it is .
    Even supposedly intelligent leftist lie to protect their own .

    So just who DO you think leftist violence and all of the cop killings  represents if not the left ! You'd have to show me an example of the "equal" violence from the right and you cannot do that ,not today and not  tomorrow.   Almost all of the cop killings represent a motivation during Obama's very racially sensitive terms .

    I love liberals , they demand evidence from the right , but rely totally upon bias innuendo and fake media  for their own ideological purposes.   

    Proof ? Trumps as----- rhetoric amounts to a whole lot of as----- rhetoric , You cannot however compare that to the action in the streets  that your party's been promoting and perpetrating  for years.  Well , You Can ; But no one's listening .
    You don't have to answer , I know enough now of your bias.

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      You said: "we can attribute every cop killed to leftism activism . . ."(1)

      So go ahead and prove it. Share all the reliable sources that support your claim. It's such a serious issue, I'm there must be many. So what's the difficulty?

      (1) https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4014845

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        He simply makes claims he cannot back up, Don. He's a waste of time...

        He detests questions and would rather make false claims than back them up, as usual.

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Don , Randy, anyone would have to have been born on Jupiter and just crossed the space travel lines yesterday to NOT know cop killings  were all created by activists during Obama's era  , his Bolshevik professor buddies  started all that with the "beer garden" and Obama's silence at the phony race protests and his race baiting administration's  agenda  ,  and then the uptic in cop killings caused by it all .

    Ignore it  all you want ,Obama's silence and our history proves me right .

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Why do you make statements you know are not true, then get defensive when someone challenges you on them?

      You said "we can attribute every cop killed to leftism activism . . ."(1)

      You know you can't prove that's true, because it's not.

      So why bother? Do you get pleasure from saying silly things?

      (1) https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4014845

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        He simply spouts horseshit with no basis in fact, Don.

      2. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Randy, it's because he's been brainwashed by Breitbart, Fox News, and Alex Jones. Look at his statements and how they're made. It's a classic case of brainwashing - just repeating ad naseum the statements he hears on propagandist, fascist, right-wing media.

  16. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 4 months ago

    How about we talk not just words, but actions.  This includes a man in his 30s taking a MAGA hat from a 16 year old and throwing a drink in his face.  Trump staff being harassed in public places as well as outside their home and more.  The left is quickly becoming nothing less than political thungs.

    "Every day brings new examples of the supposedly open-minded, inclusive, tolerant, peace-loving left threatening or attacking Trump administration officials or Trump supporters."


    https://www.investors.com/politics/edit … edia-bias/

    Here is a short list of incidences of violence and threats from the left.

    July 10, 2018: Fox News Reporter Harassed, Threatened And Forced To Leave Supreme Court By Leftist Mob
    July 9, 2018: Far-left blog Talking Points Memo mocks Stephen Miller over report of confrontation with bartender.
    July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Stephen Miller harassed on street by angry bartender.
    July 9, 2018: Motorists scream curse words at Sean Spicer in his yard.
    July 9, 2018: Trump senior aide Kellyanne Conway harassed in grocery store
    July 9, 2018: Anti-Trump activists vandalize New York DHS office
    July 8, 2018: LISTEN: Idaho GOP Rep. Receives Threatening Voicemails, Emails Because of This Facebook Post
    July 8, 2018: Longtime Hillary Clinton aide publishes contact information about bookstore owner who stopped the harassment of Steve Bannon, Reines’s  obvious goal is to see the bookstore owner harassed.
    July 8, 2018: Far-left Daily Beast writer defends public harassment of Steve Bannon
    July 7, 2018: Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) menaced outside restaurant. We know where you live!
    July 7, 2018: Steve Bannon harassed at bookstore; police called
    July 7, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Tommy Robinson supporters in San Francisco
    July 7, 2018: New York Times editorial calls for Dems to “take a page from The Godfather” to “go to the mattresses” to stop Trump’s Supreme Court nominee.
    July 6, 2018: CNN analyst justifies violence against Trump supporters
    July 6, 2018:  Long Island Man Threatened to Kill Supporters of Republican Congressman, Trump: Police
    July 6, 2018: Florida man attacked over Trump flag in yard.
    July 6, 2018: Woman threatens to stab Alan Dershowitz in heart.
    July 5, 2018: Founder of #WalkAway campaign refused service at camera store.
    July 5, 2018: Trump supporter wearing Make America Great Again hat allegedly assaulted in burger joint (video at link).
    July 3, 2018: Left-wing Catholic calls for sending Trump supporters to the guillotine
    July 3, 2018: Nebraska GOP office vandalized.
    July 3, 2018: EPA head Scott Pruitt harassed at restaurant.
    July 2, 2018: MAGA hat wearer harassed at seafood restaurant
    July 2, 2018: Mother of cancer survivor harassed online for thanking Eric Trump for $16 million in St. Jude support
    July 2, 2018: Cher accuses ICE of “Gestapo tactics.”
    July 2, 2018: Man accused of threatening to kill Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his family.
    July 1, 2018: Washington Post reporter publicly calls on mobs to give Trump officials a “life sentence” of harassment.
    July 1, 2018: Man wearing MAGA hat refused service in restaurant.
    July 1, 2018: AntiFa terrorists attack Patriot Prayer rally in Portland.
    June 29, 2018: Media falsely blame Trump for murder of five journalists in Maryland.
    June 28, 2018: Journalist lies about Maryland mass-shooter being a Trump supporter.
    June 29, 2018: Hollywood actor calls on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to be harassed at “every meal.”
    June 29, 2018: California man accused of threatening to kill FCC Chairman Ajit Pai’s children.
    June 28, 2018: Reuters editor says Trump has blood on his hands for murder of five journalists in Maryland. He still has a job.
    June 28, 2018: Singer John Legend praises and agrees with Rep. Maxine Waters for calling on mobs to publicly harass Trump officials out of public spaces like restaurants.
    June 28, 2018: Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) calls on “angry” Latinos to oust Trump.
    June 27, 2018: Media defend and champion Virginia restaurant owner who kicked White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders and her family out, and then reportedly harassed them as they ate at a nearby restaurant.
    June 26, 2018: Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao harassed at home by protesters.
    June 26, 2018: Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH) blames President Trump for her intern yelling “Fuck you!” at him through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. The intern was not fired.
    June 26, 2018: Comedienne Kathy Griffin attacks the Trump administration as “pro-Nazi.” Obviously, once you describe someone as a Nazi, you are calling for violence against them.
    June 26, 2018: Chicago bar refuses to serve Trump supporters.
    June 26, 2018: Singer John Legend calls on Trump officials to be harassed until our immigration policies are weakened.
    June 26, 2018: Late night comedians celebrate the harassment of Sarah Sanders and her family.
    June 25, 2018: Burned animal carcass left on Trump staffer’s porch.
    June 25, 2018: After refusing to serve Sarah Sanders and the family, we learn a restaurant owner then organized a mob to harass Sanders’ family at a nearby restaurant.
    June 25, 2018: Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) calls on mobs to confront Trump officials over immigration policies.
    June 25, 2018: CNN contributor attacks those on the right calling for civility.
    June 25, 2018: CNN’s Jake Tapper dismisses harassment of Sarah Sanders as a political ploy on Sander’s part.
    June 24, 2018: Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) publicly calls on mobs to “turn on” Trump officials, to “harass” them, ensure they “they won’t be able to go to a restaurant, they won’t be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store.”
    June 23, 2018: Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi harassed, menaced, and reportedly spit at by left-wing protesters at movie theater.
    June 22, 2018: Sarah Sanders and her family booted out of restaurant by left-wing owner.
    June 22, 2016: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed by protesters outside her private home.
    June 22, 2018: Rep. Jackie Sperier (D-CA), compares border enforcement to Auschwitz.
    June 22, 2018: Left-wing activists vandalize billboard.
    June 22, 2018: On Morning Joe, Donny Deutsch smears Trump and his supporters as “Nazis.”
    June 21, 2018: Democrat state legislator in Pennsylvania greets Vice President Mike Pence with a “middle finger salute.”
    June 21, 2018: White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller heckled and harassed at restaurant.
    June 21, 2018: Actor Adam Scott compares Tucker Carlson to a Nazi.
    June 20, 2018: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists publish list of ICE agents for harassment purposes.
    Jun 20, 2018: Florida man accused of threatening to kill Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL), a U.S. combat veteran, and his children in a series of nearly 500 calls to his office.
    June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to kidnap President Trump’s 11-year-old son and throw him in a cage with pedophiles.
    June 20, 2018: Actor Peter Fonda calls for a mob to sexually humiliate and abuse Sarah Sanders and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.
    June 20, 2018: Nancy Sinatra praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    June 20, 2018: Documentary filmmaker Josh Fox praises Peter Fonda for his tweets.
    June 20, 2018: Arnold Schwarzenegger calls for politicians in favor of border security to be put in cages.
    June 19, 2018: Kirstjen Nielsen harassed out of restaurant.
    June 19, 2018: Democrat interns screams “Fuck you!” at Trump through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. She was not fired.
    June 19, 2018: New Yorker fact checker publicly (and falsely) accuses a disabled war veteran who works for ICE of being a Nazi.
    June 16, 2018: Jewish Trump Supporter Attacked Outside Kathy Griffin Show In San Francisco
    June 15, 2018: Man has MAGA flag stolen at rally.
    June 15, 2018: CNN analyst heckles and screams at Sarah Sanders.
    June 14, 2018: Nancy Pelosi wonders why there ‘aren’t uprisings’ across nation: ‘Maybe there will be’
    May 30, 2018: Anti-Trump Band NOFX Tells Vegas Audience ‘At Least It Was Country Fans’ Killed in Oct. Shooting
    May 24, 2018: Anti-Trump forces threaten lawmakers’ lives in name of #Resistance
    May 23, 2018: Tomi Lahren has water thrown at her at Minnesota restaurant
    May 22, 2018: Trump supporter suspended from school over border wall t-shirt.
    May 21, 2018: 14 threats reported against EPA chief Scott Pruitt.
    May 16, 2018: CNN’s Chris Cillizza puts Trump in crosshairs.
    May 14, 2018: Black man in MAGA hat harassed, threatened, called “nigger” at Cheesecake Factory.
    May 12, 2018: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace asks “How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring [Sarah Sanders’] neck?”
    April 23, 2018: Trump supporter shouted out of bar in New York.
    April 8, 2018: David Crosby celebrates fatal Trump Tower fire: ‘oh boy … burn baby burn’
    April 7, 2018: Mental Health Expert who hates POTUS cheers Fire at Trump Tower-Jeffrey Guterman
    April 4, 2018: Councilwoman accused of yelling obscenities at teen wearing Trump shirt
    April 3, 2018: Woman brutally attacked in restaurant over support for Trump.
    April 1, 2018: Trump golf course sign vandalized.
    May 22, 2018: CNN guest on Trump: “If you’re going to shoot him, you have to shoot to kill.”
    March 19, 2018: Democratic Congressman Hints at Armed Rebellion Against Trump
    March 19, 2018: Trump supporters attacked for protesting anti-police coffee shop.
    March 16, 2018: Capitol police arrest male democrat operative over assault of Trump official
    March 15, 2018: Student with ‘Trump’ flag assaulted by mob during National School Walkout
    March 4, 2018: WATCH: MSNBC Joy Reid Panel Hopes Conservatives ‘Die Off’
    February 27, 2018: Trump supporter threatened with knife.
    February 23, 2018: Spanish teachers have students hit Trump piñata in Laguna Hills
    February 22, 2018: Guardian, HuffPost Contributor Karen Geier: ‘Hopefully’ Kim Jong Un ‘Can Drop a Bomb on CPAC’
    February 21, 2018: CNN publicly smears elderly Trump supporter as Russian plant, death threats follow
    February 8, 2018: Northeastern University wishes death on Trump during lecture
    February 8, 2018: Journalist calls for profs to drown conservative students
    February 7, 2018: Democrat attested for sending white powder to Donald Trump Jr.
    February 2, 2018: CNN Writer Thanks God for Fatal GOP Train Wreck
    January 31, 2018: Party thrown to hurl stuff at television image of Trump.
    January 29, 2018: Saginaw, MI businessman’s Trump sign vandalized.
    January 22, 2018: AntiFa calls for “riot porn” against Trump supporter Tom, Brady
    December 20, 2017: AntiFa terrorists assault Trump supporter outside bookstore
    December 18, 2017: Eminem song ‘Framed’ plots assassination of Ivanka Trump
    December 9, 2017: Students wearing MAGA hats booted from ‘safe space’ coffee shop
    December 3, 2017: Trump supporter’ home and vehicle vandalized for second time.
    November 27, 2017: Singer Morrissey: I would kill Trump ‘for the safety of humanity’
    November 22, 2017: Trump-hater snatches, steals student’s MAGA hat.
    November 22, 2017: Man mistaken for Trump supporter attacked
    November 20, 2017: University of IL instructor assault Trump supporters
    November 13, 2017: Trump supporter assaulted for wearing MAGA hat.
    October 26, 2017: SF Gate columnist says death threats against EPA chief Scott Pruitt make sense
    October 24, 2017: MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace: Trump Administration Does ‘Not Appear to Be Human Beings’
    October 19, 2017: Left-wing thugs arrested for disrupting College Republican meeting, shouting “fascists,” “racists” and “white supremacists”
    September 28, 2017: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos heckled as “white supremacist” during speech.
    September 26, 2017: Professor Doubles Down on Tweet Saying ‘Trump Must Hang’
    September 17, 2017: Trump supporter physically assault in Roosevelt High School gym.
    September 15, 2017: CNN host “jokes” about killing Trump with hemlock in his food.
    September 10, 2017: Portland police arrest seven in latest antifa violence aimed at Patriot Prayer
    August 28, 2017: Car with Trump bumper sticker vandalized in San Francisco.
    August 28, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists attack peaceful Trump supporters at Berkeley.
    August 28, 2017: GOP headquarters in Fayetteville, KY vandalized. “Die Nazi Scum” spray painted on windows.
    August 24, 2017:  PA AntiFa Cell Calls for Violence Against Police, All-out Revolutio
    August 24, 2017: Black Trump supporter spit at for wearing MAGA hat.
    August 23, 2017: Black Trump supporter sucker punched in Laguna Beach.
    August 23, 2017: Black Trump supporter punched multiple times while leaving Trump’s Arizona rally
    August 19, 2017: WATCH: Older Woman Holding American Flag Hit, Dragged in Boston
    August 18. 2017: Top Missouri Democrat calls for Trump to be “assassinated.”
    August 17, 2017: ‘Nazis’ spray painted on New Hampshire GOP headquarters
    August 16, 2017: Anti-Donald Trump campaigner ‘shoots Republican neighbour twice in the head’
    August 14, 2017: After Branding Trump a Fascist, Never Trumper Calls for Lynching of Fascists
    August 14, 2017: Conservative student attacked for “YAF” hat at vigil for Charlottesville victims.
    July 31, 2017: Women’s studies professor wants Trump shot
    July 19, 2017: Rosie O’Donnell sparks outrage with Trump-killing game
    July 7, 2017: Student threatened for supporting Trump.
    July 7, 2017: Man attacked for wearing MAGA hat in New York bar.
    July 5, 2017: CNN threatens to expose Trump supporter to online mob over parody video.
    July 3, 2017: Philadelphia Trump supporter jumped by three men after rallies
    June 28, 2018: Co-Chair of Women for Trump Receives Death Threats After CNN Appearance
    June 22, 2017: Rep. Jason Chaffetz Death Threat: ‘Prepare for the Battle, Motherf***er’
    June 22, 2017: Ohio Man Charged With Threatening GOP Congressman
    June 22, 2017: WATCH – Pulitzer-Winning Novelist Michael Chabon Expresses ‘Hope’ that Trump Has ‘Massive Stroke
    June 22, 2017: Actor Johnny Depp “jokes” about assassinating Trump.
    June 20, 2018: Manhunt Underway For Central Pa. Man Accused Of Threatening To Kill President Trump, Other Officials
    June 19, 2017: University of Georgia Socialist Group Under Police Investigation After Calling for Beheading Republican
    June 17, 2017: Dem Strategist James Devine Launches Hashtag #HuntRepublicanCongressmen After Steve Scalise Shooting
    June 17, 2017: Rep. Ann Wagner (R-MO) reports five death threats to Capitol Police
    June 15, 2017: Powder-Filled Letters With Threatening Notes Shut Down Georgia Republican’s Neighborhood
    June 15, 2017: Several shots fired at truck flying ‘Make America Great Again’ flag on I-465 in Indiana
    June 14, 2017: HuffPo publishes article calling for “execution” of Trump.
    June 14, 2017: Republican receives threat after shooting, warning “one down, 216 to go…”
    June 14, 2017: Bernie Sanders supporter opens fire on a group of Republican congressman. Rep. Steve Scalise is shot and nearly dies.
    June 12, 2017: Wire creator David Simon calls on mobs to pick up a “brick” if Trump fires special counsel Robert Mueller.
    June 10, 2017: Trump supporter beaten with ‘Queers for Muslims’ sign in Seattle.
    June 10, 2017: Left-wing terrorists with AntiFa hurl urine at woman protesting against Sharia
    June 7, 2017: HuffPo: ‘Inherent Value’ and ‘Logic’ in Violence Against Trump Supporters
    June 7, 2017: Veteran’s wife violently beaten for voting for Trump
    June 6, 2017: “Trump” is stabbed to death in front of cheering audience in Central Park
    June 3, 2017: Anti-Trump band decapitates Trump statue on stage
    May 30, 2017: Kathy Griffin beheads Trump.
    May 10, 2017: VA Republican Congressman and His Family Receive Death Threats
    May 21, 2017: Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL.) office vandalized, staff threatened
    May 19, 2017: Man arrested for multiple acts of anti-Trump vandalism.
    May 15, 2017: Tucson school district employee arrested over threats to U.S. Rep. Martha McSally
    May 13, 2017: Woman attempts to drive GOP congressman off road over health-care vote, police say
    May 12, 2017: GETS PHYSICAL WITH GOP CONGRESSMAN AT TOWN HALL [VIDEO]
    May 10, 2017: Police investigate death threats Rep. Tom Garrett received prior to town hall
    May 8, 2017: TN Woman Arrested for Trying to Run GOP Congressman’s Car Off Road
    May 4, 2017: Leaked Screenshots Reveal BuzzFeed Director Wishing for Trump Assassination
    April 29, 2016: WATCH: Women, Children, Elderly Trump Supporters Pepper Sprayed in CA
    April 27, 2017: Oregon Parade Canceled Due to Violent Threats By ‘Anti-Fascists’ Against Republican Participants
    April 23, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa arrested for assault in DC.
    April 20, 2017: University of Alaska is displaying a painting of a decapitated Trump in its gallery
    April 19. 2017: MSNBC ‘Counter-Terrorism Analyst’ Calls for ISIS Bombing of Trump Property
    April 15, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists start riot in Berkeley.
    April 15, 2017: Left-wing terrorists with AntiFa assault Trump supporter with bike lock.
    April 14, 2017: Two arrested for burning Trump sign in Maryland
    April 6, 2018: During Ellen appearance, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) “jokes” about killing Trump, Pence, Sessions on elevator.
    April 5, 2018: Orange Park, FL Trump supporter spends two hours in surgery after attack.
    April 3, 2017: Left-wing AntiFa terrorists disrupt pro-Trump rally in Vancouver
    March 27, 2017: Pro-Trump march organizer pepper-sprayed by protester
    March 20, 2017: Violent kids hit Trump supporter in face with skateboard
    March 19, 2017: MAGA hat wearer kicked out of bar
    March 19, 2017: ‘Murder Trump ASAP’ graffiti found on freeway wall in San Diego
    March 17, 2017: ‘Making History’ Star Adam Pally Says He Wants To ‘Kill Trump’
    March 16, 2016: Rapper Bow Wow threatens to “pimp” first lady Melania
    March 15, 2017: University of Michigan student detained after damaging Trump supporter’s flag
    March 16, 2017: Pro-Trump Michael Savage assaulted.
    March 14, 2017: Young Trump supporters harassed online as Nazis
    March 12, 2017: Snoop Dogg “shoots” Trump in the head.
    March 9, 2017: Florida man punched in face after road rage incident sparked by Trump bumper sticker
    March 7, 2017: Hillary VP pick and Sen. Tim Kaine’s (D-VA) son arrested for hurling smoke bomb in the Minnesota Capitol rotund
    March 7, 2017: CNN points what looks like a sniper scope at the Oval Office.
    March 6, 2017: Berkeley man arrested for destroying College Republican sign
    March 5, 2017: Leftist rioters crash peaceful pro-Trump rally with tasers
    March 4, 2017: Left-wing rioters attack peaceful pro-Trump rally at Berkeley
    March 1, 2017: Trump supporter’s car vandalized in Oregon
    February 26, 2017: Trump supporter’s house egged three times in New York
    February 26, 2017: Female Trump supporter assaulted in Hollywood
    February 25, 2017: Ohio man assaulted by anti-Trump mob
    February 27, 2017: LEAKED AUDIO REVEALS ANTI-TRUMP FORCES MANUFACTURING HOSTILE TOWN HALL
    February 27, 2017: Flier in North Carolina calls on mobs to assault Trump supporters
    February 22, 2017: Tires slashed at Congressman’s town hall meeting in Mariposa
    February 17, 2017: Professor tweets ‘Trump must hang,’ gets paid leave:
    February 16, 2017: Kansas City man with AR-15 taunts Trump supporter, rips down Trump flag
    February 15, 2017: Hateful messages found on Trump supporter’s historic Denver home
    February 15, 2017: Mob knocks district director for Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) unconscious
    February 14, 2017: Stephen Colbert puts White House adviser Stephen Miller’s head on a pike.
    February 13, 2017: Black Trump supporter’s home vandalized with “KKK’ spray paint – hoax hate crime
    February 11, 2017: University of Central Florida Club Incites Young Kids To “Kill Donald Trump”
    February 10, 2017: Black Lives Matter bully threatens to smash woman’s laptop over Trump sticker.
    February 10, 2017: Protesters block Education secretary Betsy DeVos from entering school.
    February 9, 2017: Man arrested for attacking Trump supporter in California
    February 9, 2017: AntiFa middle school teacher Yvette Felarca arrested for starting riot in Berkeley
    February 8, 2017: Police investigating multiple incidents of anti-Trump graffiti in North Carolina.
    February 8, 2017: CSUF instructor suspended for striking pro-Trump student
    February 7, 2018: Trump supporters’ home vandalized in Oceanside CA
    February 7, 2017: Girl in MAGA hat pepper sprayed
    February 5, 2017: Rapper Big Sean Threatens to Kill Donald Trump in New Freestyle
    February 4, 2017: School suspends victim after he is beaten for wearing MAGA
    February 3, 2017: More than 12,000 tweets have called for Trump’s assassination since the inauguration
    February 2, 2017: Comedienne Sarah Silverman calls on military to overthrow Trump.
    February 2, 2017: Ex-Obama Official Rosa Brooks Suggests ‘Military Coup’ Against Trump
    February 2, 2017: Arrests at NYU after left-wing thugs disrupt conservative speaker
    February 2, 2017: Trump supporter attacked in street in Berkeley
    February 1, 2017: Seahawks Quarterback Russell Wilson Hints at Trump Assassination
    February 1, 2017: Left-wing terrorist group AntiFa assaults Trump supporters at Berkeley.
    January 31, 2017: Portland Trump Supporter Beaten Unconscious After Being Hit by Airport Protesters
    January 31, 2017: Former VP candidate, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA), calls on Democrats to “fight in the streets” against Trump.
    January 29, 2017: Times Journo Calls for Assassination of President Trump
    January 26, 2017: Texas Teacher Pretends to Shoot Trump in Class
    January 23, 2017: WATCH woman harass Trump supporter on flight
    January 23, 2017: Protesters Throw Water at Trump Inaugural Ball Attendees
    January 22, 2017: Trump supporter Scott Baio was roughed up by protesters in DC
    January 21, 2017: Madonna fantasizes about blowing up the White House.
    January 20, 2017: Reporter falsely accuses 10-year-old Barron Trump of killing 100 small animals
    January 20, 2017: Comedian Limmy tells Donald Trump assassination joke
    January 20, 2017: Anti-Trump protester lights Trump supporter’s hair on fire.
    January 20, 2017: Left-wing terrorist group Antifa riots over Trump’s inauguration.
    January 19, 2017: CNN fantasizes about Obama staying in power if Trump is assassinated.
    January 17, 2017: German journalist: Assassination of Trump would end ‘tragedy’
    January 5, 2017: Left-wing thugs kidnap, beat, and torture an 18-year-old with schizophrenia while shouting “fuck Trump” and “fuck white people.”
    December 29, 2016: Charlie Sheen Wishes Death Upon Trump
    December 22, 2016: Ivanka Trump harassed on JetBlue flight by college professor
    December 15, 2016: Cornell College Republicans president assaulted, called ‘racist bitch’
    December 14, 2016: Politico reporter accuses Trump of incest.
    December 10, 2016: Orange Coast College prof calls Trump election “act of terrorism,” “we are in Civil War times”
    November 30, 2016: CBS Boston Freelancer Tweets that  ‘Trump Died Sleeping’ calms him.
    November 19, 2016: Texas High School Students Perform Trump ‘Assassination’ Skit
    November 18, 2016: Actor Michael Shannon: Time for Trump voters to die
    November 16, 2016: PacketSled CEO resigns after threatening to kill Trump
    November 16, 2016: Man gunned down outside bar after he joked about voting for Trump
    November 16, 2016: Left-wing thugs assault 15-year-old Trump supporter.
    November 14, 2016: Toronto Student Wants Trump To Be Assassinated
    November 14, 2016: Avengers director Joss Whedon says Trump “CANNOT” be allowed to serve out his term in office.
    November 14, 2016: Film Director Paul Schrader Calls for Violence to Protest Against Trump
    November 12, 2016: 2 Men Attack Trump Supporter in Meriden, CT
    November 12, 2016: Man in MAGA hat attacked by New York subway rider.
    November 11, 2016: FL STUDENT CHARGED WITH BATTERY AFTER PUNCHING BOY HOLDING TRUMP SIGN
    November 11, 2016: BLM Anti-Bullying Activist Arrested for Assaulting 74 Year-Old Trump Supporter
    November 11, 2016: Mother emotionally abuses child for “voting” for Trump.
    November 10, 2016: Telegraph’s columnist Monisha Rajesh expressed a desire that Donald Trump be assassinated in a tweet
    November 10, 2016: Student Trump supporter attacked at Woodside High School
    November 10, 2016: Anti-Trump Protester Calls For Death and Violence on CNN
    November 10, 2016: Trump Supporter Beaten in Chicago Street, Recorded on Video
    November 10, 2016: ‘People Have to Die’: Anti-Trump Protester Calls For Violence on CNN
    November 10, 2016: Orange Is the New Black star Lea DeLaria threatens “to pick up a baseball bat and take out every f*cking Republican and independent I see.”
    November 9, 2016: Stafford, TX student says he was attacked for supporting Trump in mock election
    November 9, 2016: Marilyn Manson “kills” Trump in music video.
    November 7, 2016: Trump volunteer assaulted, robbed for wearing MAGA hat
    November 6, 2016: Trump Supporter’s Truck Torched Because of Bumper Sticker
    November 3, 2016: LA Times reporter tweets: ‘I would rather see Donald Trump’s life end.’
    October 29, 2016: Homeless woman guarding Trump’s Walk of Fame star assaulted in Hollywood.
    October 28, 2016: Trump signs vandalized in Quincy, IL.
    October 26, 2016: Trump’s Walk of Fame star vandalized.
    October 16, 2016: Left-wing terrorists firebomb GOP headquarters in North Carolina.
    October 16, 2016: 17 vehicles vandalized at Trump rally in Bangor, Maine.
    October 7, 2016: Robert De Niro says he wants to “punch” Trump in the face.
    October 3, 2016: Trump billboard defaced with swastikas.
    September 18, 2016: Trump supporter beaten in El Cajon.
    August 27, 2017: Vandals deface Trump supporter’s lawn signs.
    August 20, 2016: PROTESTERS PUNCH, PUSH, SCREAM AT TRUMP FUNDRAISER ATTENDEES
    August 19, 2016: Left-wing thugs attack Trump’s motorcade and his supporters.
    August 18, 2016: 68-year-old Cancer Survivor Attacked at Garage Sale Over Support for Trump
    August 9, 2016: Man’s Trump T-shirt sparked crowbar attack, cops say
    August 6, 2016: Massachusetts woman vandalizes Trump sign, tries to run down owner.
    July 31, 2016: WATCH: Clinton Supporter Lights Flag On Fire, Attacks Trump Supporter
    July 1, 2016: Black Teenage Trump supporter in Atlanta receives death threats For Supporting Trump
    June 18, 2016: Man attempts to assassinate Trump.
    June 2, 2016: Left-wing thugs violently attack Trump supporters. One women was surrounded by a mob and pelted with raw eggs.
    May 25, 2016: Brad Thor on Glenn Beck: ‘If Congress Won’t Remove’ Trump from White House, ‘What Patriot Will Step Up’
    May 8, 2016: Trump Supporter Christopher Conway Attacked By the Tolerant Left
    April 7, 2016: Actor Mickey Rourke challenges Donald Trump to a fight – with a baseball bat
    March 21, 2016: Man’s homemade Trump billboard vandalized and destroyed in Michigan.
    March 17, 2016: Violent protesters attack Trump supporters in Chicago.
    March 15, 2016: Vandals deface  Trump signs in Dayton Ohio,
    March 14, 2016: CNN treats man who tried to tackle Trump as folk hero.
    March 12, 2016: Trump supporter’s Virginia house vandalized
    March 12, 2016: Man tries to tackle Trump at campaign rally.
    March 9, 2016: Trump billboard removed due to repeated vandalism in West Town IL.
    March 1, 2016: Former Daily Show contributor Larry Wilmore “jokes” about killing Trump.
    February 24, 2016: NYT columnist Ross Douthat “jokes” about assassination attempt on Trump
    January 5, 2016:  Jewish Trump support’s Trump sign vandalized with Nazi images.
    November 19, 2015: ‘Black Lives Matter’ Activist Calls for Donald Trump’s Assassination.

    1. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Fake news.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Prove it.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          You prove that it isn’t. I am sick of you referencing all these Sheldon Adleson paid for theatrical events as facts.

          1. promisem profile image97
            promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            That list actually comes from Breitbart.

            1. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Again, you can't show it's not true.  Facts, no matter who published them remain facts.  Lots of information is shared in the media world.  There have been times you could have seen the same facts on Foxnews as well as the New York Times.  They presented them differently, but the facts didn't change.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Ha! Perfect. Breitbart is a right-wing, white nationalist, alt-right, garbage-spewing, hate-filled, junk site.

                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I still challenge you to try and disprove the facts displayed.  The question is...can you do it?

              2. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                "Facts" of course are not facts "no matter who published them". That's why we have propaganda undermining our elections and our democracy.

                I'm not so obsessive compulsive that I would bother to track down every single item on that list to prove a point.

                Some are probably true, some are not and some are taken out of context. Either way, Breitbart has a legendary reputation for lying and right-wing, inflammatory propaganda. It's not a credible source of "facts".

                Regardless, the idea that everyone on the "left" is violent and everyone on the "right" is not violent is absurd.

          2. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Okay, so, you can't prove it's untrue.  I'll accept that approach.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              You've sourced your list from the leader in fake news. By definition, everything from there is false. So, you have to prove it's true. God, this is stupid. We're all being stupid and the stupider we behave, the worse it's all going to get because when one idiot debates another idiot, none of us get anywhere.

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                You only have opinion.  You have no facts.  Remember facts lead to truth and truth leads to reality.  You say it is stupid because you've been proven wrong and can't comprehend or admit it.  You have to use words like "idiot" because you can't back up anything you claim and expect people to blindly believe you just because you say something.  If they don't, you only have name calling left.  Should I make a claim of fake news, I can prove it.  If I make any claim, I'm willing to prove it.

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  No, Mike. You're not getting me at all. I can spew all the facts I can find. You simply won't believe them and will call them fake news. Again, we can talk about climate change as an example. Why should I bother trying to convince you about climate change? It's basically a fact. Almost all of the science agrees. Yet, right-wingers just cry "fake news" and provide their useless links that they claim prove their "facts".

                  You see it on these boards constantly. I've seen Promisem and others give all kinds of facts. You don't care. Nobody cares. You say you have facts. What do you want to argue about? Do you want to claim that leftists are responsible for all violence? That's patently false. I will provide you with plenty of facts and you'll deny every one of them, so we'll get nowhere.

                  Getting nowhere is stupid. This board and all this dialogue is a fundamental waste of everyone's time.

                  The reason that you or I or anyone gets on this board and spews their "facts" is so they can feel self-righteous. Why else do you do it?

                2. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Mike, when I have recently used the words "idiot" and "stupid", I am referring to myself as well - to all of us. Who has ever been convinced of anything in any of Hubpages political forums. I'm arguing that this is a destructive, pointless form of debate.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Really, Can you come up with any incidence where anyone on the left was strong-armed by a Trump supporter?  Wake up to the fact many on the left are using violence as well as obnoxious harassment to threaten those on the right. The left has always used these tactics, so many follow groupthink because they lack the ability to think for themselves. Bah Bah.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Okay, sure. I have a list of over 1000 of such incidents. But tell me first, if I publish them all:

          1. Will you read them?
          2. How would it change your mind?

          Here's your first link:

          http://www.godhates.com/ (because I can't print this link, you'll need to add a four-letter derogatory term for homosexuals after the word hates. This is the homepage of the Westboro Baptist Church)

          1. Sharlee01 profile image91
            Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Well, how about posting 5? I will read them, and I will be waiting. And please do not bother posting Trump telling people to punch someone. I want to see someone that is a Trump supporter punching or harassing someone in public.  Really glib copout, yeah just 5 will do. 

            Do you ever consider your defending the wrong side?  Did you even read Mikes list? It should be enough to shut you up on the subject. But you go on and on... I will say you are pretty much among your own here. However, it must disturb you to always be so wrong? Have you heard of the "Walk Away movement"? You might want to look into that group.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Here you go:

              https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/

              The above contains more than 100 instances.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/16/us/t … lence.html

              The above reports on a study that Trump rallies increased violence.

              https://www.buzzfeed.com/tasneemnashrul … .dk0weRAmR

              The above contains 28 instance of violence by Trump supporters.

              https://www.thecut.com/2016/10/violence … rters.html

              The above contains 9 incidents of violence against women by Trump supporters.

              So I'll just stop here. Is there a certain threshold for the the number of incidents I could reference where you would be convinced? I very much doubt it.

              1. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Predicted responses:

                A) These are examples of justified expressions of political anger, not violence.

                B) This information makes Trump supporters look bad, therefore it is biased, therefore it doesn't count.

                C) This wasn't on Fox, therefore it's fake news.

                D) It was the victims' fault.

                E) These people don't represent Republicans, unlike people who commit violence on the left who definitely do represent Democrats.

                F) I know Trump literally told his supporters to commit violence (and offered to pay their legal fees) but that doesn't make him responsible for any of this. Stop mentioning it!

                G) I know Maxine Waters didn't call for violence, but she is 110% responsible for every example of violent protest on the left!

                H) A combination of all of the above

                1. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Exactly. None of it matters. Will all be excused away somehow. So, what's the point of this debate? Facts don't matter.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Did you read the links? They are laughable. But you can justify these incidents as violence, harassment if it suits your purpose. You are part of a dying breed, that has not looked around and realized how foolish it is to keep defending the ridiculous...

              2. Sharlee01 profile image91
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Did you actually read the links you posted?  Some of the incidents happened at Trump rallies where leftist protesters showed up for trouble.  Many of your given examples are shouting matches that one has no idea how these matches started.   I can see you put time and effort into finding these examples. But they lack real information.

                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Patriotic Americans have the right to protest, especially when they are pushing back on a mentally unstable maniac racist like Mr. Trump who appeases Vladimir Putin, coddles white nationalists and who actually embeds them in our white house: This is a crime that must be obstructed and rectified legally ASAP:

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                    Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes "mentally unstable maniac racists,"... LOL

                2. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I see. So if somebody shows up to protest they deserve to be brutally attacked. They deserve it. People have a right to protest peacefully.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                    Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    I was making an attempt to make a point that many that protested at Trump rallies resorted to violence.  Many wore masks carried sticks and brought along mace. And I certainly think Trump supporters should not be attacked for showing up to a rally by left protesters...   I provided link after link from network news sites (CNN. MSNBC, and more) that certainly proved my point.    I have no problem with protesting peacefully, the left just has not caught on to being peaceful.

          2. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            I just gave you a huge one. The Westboro Baptist Church. Go look at all the stuff they've done. They're all Trump supporting, right-wing crazies.

            It's pointless to argue with right-wingers. Ph.D. scientists have proved that climate change is happening, humans are causing it, and the Earth is heating up as a result. But you call it "fake news" and provide your little links to alternate theories. This indicates that you don't know the difference between fake news and real news or between science and non-science, which means, logically, that you cannot conduct a rational, fact-based discussion.

            Here's another link:

            https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/07/1 … j-orig.cnn

            The lack of intellectual processing here is astounding to me. Do you not comprehend that we're all victims of the media here, who give us a single story that's supposed to represent a trend. So you see some story about a Trump supporter being wronged and apply the behavior to all leftists. I see a story about one immigrant being beaten with a brick and apply it to all Trump supporters.

            So if I find more links than you, does that make me right and you wrong?

            The stupidity of this conversation (and I admit I'm participating) is astounding. The lack of intellectual complexity is astounding. We'll get nowhere thinking like this or debating like this.

            1. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Maybe we should look at what the Obama supporter left wing crazy Louis Farrakhan has said and done. Guess what?  There are crazies on both sides.  Climate change?  A little off topic wouldn't you say?

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                crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Not really. If you don't understand basic science, your debating skills and fact-based comprehension are severely undermined.

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                  Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Say what you want, but I know when a topic is about the treatment of conservatives and you bring up climate change, you've lost the argument.  I believe you bring up climate change as an issue because you can't support your opinion when it comes to the topic of the thread.  This, in debating circles, is known as a "straw man" argument.

                  "A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, where actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.  One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes, Mike. I hear you. Attacking a straw man never happens on this board - smile Here's the thing. The reason that happens is that I don't feel like wasting my time trying to convince you of something you're never going to be convinced of anyway because no matter how many facts I throw at you, you will simply choose not to believe them. Climate change is my example of that, but it applies to most things.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              The Westboro Baptist Church?  This group hates Trump? They actually frequently protested with a handful of people at some of his rallies, as well as the Republican National Convention. This bunch are n a class of heir own, they have no affiliation in regards to a political party. And certainly, hate Trump. One of the reasons they used when protesting Trump was his multiple marriages.  Is this your example of Trump supporters harassing those on the left???

              You're in a corner ... Time for you to deflect with some fluffy words.  You have no real examples because there are very few.  Te left have accepted violence as a way to get their point across. One more reason they are becoming a dying breed.

              1. crankalicious profile image93
                crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                So you think the the WBP is voting for Democrats? It's a right-wing hate group. Did you read any of the links. 91-year-old man beaten with a brick. Another woman verbally assaulted and harassed for wearing a shirt with a Puerto Rican flag.

                Once again, whether I give you 1 link or one million links, nothing will change your mind or your opinion. Just like if I show you data on climate change, you'll find one snowball or one cold temperature and claim it's all fake.

                Breitbart is a known right-wing, white nationalist web site.

                Did you believe in Pizzagate? Bet you bought into that one. That's the kind of stuff you find on Breitbart - rumor. Tons of unsubstantiated rumors. That's not what a news site reports. That's the difference between news and propaganda.

                http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat … g-campaign

                http://time.com/4254801/donald-trump-pr … nce-video/

                https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03 … y-violence

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 … mp-america

                https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/trump-s … -1.5455209

                https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35790460

                https://www.thenation.com/article/trump … -violence/

                http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ … ction.html

                http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m … story.html

                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … ly/473658/

                https://splinternews.com/racist-trump-s … 1793863686

                http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/p … -discredit

                http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27738018/ns/u … 0Yt-flKjcs

                I could go on and on and on. I'm not even arguing that the left isn't responsible for violent incidents. I'm merely arguing that your assertion and the assertion of others that it is the left and only the left doing this, is pure garbage. It's intellectually dishonest. Whenever a party gets in power, the people who oppose that party are going to protest and some of those protests will inevitably involve violence.

                It happened during Obama's presidency and it's happening during Trump's presidency.

                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I checked out every link you provided.  I don't see where members of Obama's administration were refused service at restaurants or had people protesting outside their home.  Didn't see one where a member of the Obama administration was accosted when leaving a movie or on a plane.  I didn't see in anything you provided that a member of the Obama administration was ever accosted or refused by a Republican. 

                  Breitbart is a known right-wing, white nationalist web site...by who?  I'd like to see proof of this one.

                  Pizzagate?  Yeah, a few news stories written about President Donald Trump have been proven false.  Reporters have apologized, stories have been retracted.

                  Here is a link to a Huffington Post story about why Westboro Baptist Church didn't support Trump.  The leader is a registered Democrat.

                  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/do … 0de405349e

                  1. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Being kicked out of a restaurant must be awful, but when I checked out the videos Sharlee01 posted about left-wing violence, I didn't see the one where a left-wing extremist walked into a church and murdered 9 black people, because they were black.

                    I didn't see the one where a left-wing extremist walked into a school in New Mexico and murdered two students before killing himself. I Couldn't see the one where a left-wing extremist in Charlottesville deliberately rammed his vehicle into a crowd of protesters injuring 19 people and killing one.

                    I didn't see the one where a left-wing extremist in Portland stabbed two men to death and severely injured another for coming to the defense of two teenage girls, one African-American the other wearing a hijab who he was harassing.

                    I couldn't see the one where a left-wing extremist travelled to NYC to attack African-American men to stop white women from engaging in interracial relationships, and was charged with stabbing a homeless man.

                    All these crimes were committed by right-wing extremists. Yet you would have us believe that violence is only an issue for those on the left of the political spectrum.

                    The murderers who committed these crimes beg to differ.

                2. crankalicious profile image93
                  crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Yep, no gay couple has ever been refused service for like, a wedding cake or anything.

                  Just wondering, how many Republicans support marriage equality? Are you really trying to tell me that the WBC, with their anti-gay stance, supports Democrats?

                  1. crankalicious profile image93
                    crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Mike, maybe we could do a little back and forth and see if we can agree on what the other believes. I'll give you one and you give me one. I'll start. Would you agree with this ideological assessment.

                    The left believes in equal rights for homosexuals.
                    The right does not believe in equal rights for homosexuals.

                    Is that a fair statement, generally?

                  2. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    You have to do better than a straw man argument again.  Geeeze.

                  3. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't recall a gay couple who works for the Obama administration having a baker refused to design a wedding cake for them.  The baker you mention provided all of their other services for the gay couple. 

                    https://hubstatic.com/14120391.jpg

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Watch out now , The new / old liberal  " Show me the evidence or I'll call you a racist " trick is being dropped on the table again .

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      As Aime F said:



      So:

      1. Do you or Ken have a source for the image and the original message? Links would be appreciated.

      2. How do you know this was not posted by a troll?

      3. If someone creates a Twitter/ Facebook account, calls themselves a conservative, and posts a message saying they'd like to reinstate slavery, does that mean we have to accept that is what the right stands for?

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    To be completely honest , I've said it before  , One would have to have been raised in a cave and just found his way  back to civilization and to the present state of extreme  leftist  provocation and almost daily violence and activism passing itself off AS news media --to not know that it is the alt -left that is the most ideologically violent .

    Proof , One hour with observing Antifa .

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Anyone can make false claims on social media. Until someone confirms either way, that message could just be posted by some troll. Without evidence, it's just an anonymous message on the internet, and you're naive to take it seriously.

      So I repeat:

      1. Do you or Ken have a source for the image and the original message? If you do, great, share those links.

      2. Was the image posted by a troll? How do you know either way?

      3. If someone creates a Twitter/ Facebook account, calls themselves a conservative, and posts a message saying they'd like to reinstate slavery, should everyone just accept that as being what the right stands for?

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        And I repeat , Tell us all Don , Which news media source is a confirmed source of honest reporting  of news media ?

        In fact ,  Does the term "confirmed sources " somehow mean more to the masses , to Hubpages , to you ?

        Honestly , stop playing pretend prosecutor .

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Again, I've made a simple request for a source.

          People post BS on the internet all the time. Why should I, or anyone else, take the image posted by Ken seriously? Unless Ken demonstrates otherwise, it's just a message posted on social media by (I assume) a completely random stranger.

          Even kids these days are taught not to trust things posted online by random strangers, so why would Ken? In fact why would any sensible person treat such a thing as Gospel truth? Only a fool would do that.

          And why is Ken using it as the basis for determining what the Democratic Party "stands for"? The person who posted it didn't even say they were a Democrat. And even if they did anyone can fake being a Democrat or Republican online. Was it posted by a known Democratic Party activist? A Democratic Party employee? A Democratic Party official? If so, please share that information. If not, what's it got to do with the Democratic Party?

          Perhaps Ken should ask actual Democrats what the Democratic Party stands for. Would make a lot more sense that just pulling random social media messages out of his . . browser.

          So Ken, do you have the links to the original message? Or is this just some random picture you picked up from the web? If so, please explain what makes it "mainstream thought for a particular party".

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Don ,Given the abysmal quality and consciousness of today's MAINSTREAM news media , it's actually a bit preposterous to ask for proof ,  Essentially there is no mainstream media at this point .
    At least not in any traditional sense .Perhaps because there is now just too much media or too many outlets , What I've noticed in the larger sense is the quality of the writing ,  it's as if  it's all being written up by Face -Book journalism  graduates  . for instance F-bombs in news articles have evolved from backyard conversations to mainstream news articles .   The inclusion of viable and reliable  sources has devolved to sensationalism and party agenda , All of it perfectly attuned to the twenty something year old mind , and written by first year "journalists " .

    So no Don , in this newest era  of 'mainstream media 'asking for sources has become a request that 's almost totally ignored by the media itself,  asking for it here is simply a day too late.   There is however no better a time that being capable of making up our own minds based on  life experience , our age , in overall maturity of readership ,  and analytical ability . 

    And for all of us , Good luck finding "reliable sources ".

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      You're deflecting, but to be fair, you were not the one who posted the original image.

      Ken Burgess posted this:

      https://hubstatic.com/14120784.jpg

      He then implied that this message is the type of issue the Democratic Party "stands for", and that it represents "mainstream thought for a particular party", i.e. the Democratic Party.

      I've asked Ken for a source to the original message. I've asked how he knows the message was not posted by a troll. I've also asked what connects this message to the Democratic Party.

      Those are all perfectly reasonable questions. So far Ken has not responded.

      crankalicious already said "This guy is either a troll or just a sicko. . . this guy is clearly fringe and should be in jail. Trying to link him to progressives as a whole is ridiculous"

      That sums it up perfectly.

      Anyone with a computer and an internet connection can post anything they want onto social media. It's irresponsible for Ken to post this type of message, and even more irresponsible to try to link it to the Democratic Party.

      If you saw a message on social media from someone who says they're a conservative promoting paedophilia, or wanting to reinstate slavery, would you accept that is what the right stands for? If not, why not?

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        ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        "These are all perfectly reasonable questions ......"

        Yet , the left groups everything on the right equally , like the examples of that which you defend , I've seen it here in political forums a million times , in fact your entire party's  journey through the entire Trump obstruction has done exactly the same thing ,
        "Deplorables" for one  comes to mind  .    This entire defense you are using still shows  nothing as much as the greater hypocrisy of the left ,   "Prove to us we are all  pedophiles because some of us are"?

        Isn't it the same when Peter Strzok said in an e -mail to his lover , " .... I can smell the Walmart on them.... "  when his FBI  was monitoring a Trump campaign rally ?  Isn't it the same when you or others here accuse the right of being aligned with the KKK , with the Nazi party  ?     I just love it when the usual elitist 'clics'  of the left attempt to take the moral high ground and then stumbles its way through their own hypocrisy.

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I don't think Nazis represent all Republicans. The point was to show the opening poster what would happen if Republicans were judged by the same standard she was applying to Democrats.

          Strangely the same people who were happy with the idea that violent protesters represent Democrats (including you I believe) argued that it's unfair to say Nazis represent Republicans. That's the hypocrisy I was trying to highlight.

          Highlighting the hypocrisy further, Ken posted an anonymous message promoting paedophilia, suggesting it's what the Democratic Party stands for. You have accepted that message, and criticised me for challenging it.

          So, by the same standard, do you accept that this message shows the Republican Party now stands for Nazism?

          https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14123584_f1024.jpg

          If not, why not?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image89
            Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Well, I would expect any person interested in 'fact checking' a statement someone made to look into it.  You are correct that a mere facebook post is little to go off of.  So let me add a bit more to peruse, and then you, and anyone else, can do all the research you want if you desire to know more:

            Pedophiles want to be a part of the LGBT+ community, even going so far as to make a “Pride” flag for Gay Pride Month and joining them in marches. The “MAP/NOMAP community” claims that pedophiles are misunderstood marginalized people, and that as long as they get permission from the child …that they should not be villainized.

            A self-appointed spokesman for the LGBT “community” named Ernst Steiner is advocating that LGBTs to add P to LGBT the quote below is from April 23, 2017 for a blog he founded called Heart Progress:

            “For years, the struggle against hate and bigotry has gone on. For years, sexual minority groups of all sorts have faced persecution. Now, in the 21st century, we are finally beginning to see that bigotry begin to disappear. Homosexuals have the right to marry, minority genders are finally being recognized, transgender children are finally getting the treatment they need to be who they are, and most importantly, these groups are finally being given minority status.
            But the sexual liberation movement has only just begun, and there’s still more work to be done. Yes, homosexuals have the right to marriage in some places, but there still needs to be global laws to ensure they have the right to marriage in all places. Sure, transgenders are being recognized for who they are, but discrimination against them is still rampant in today’s world. Luckily, these issues are being tackled by progressive groups across the globe, but there is still one minority group that is marginalized to the point of neglect: pedosexuals.
            Since the beginning of the LGBT+ movement, pedosexuals have been there helping to achieve sexual liberation for all. Unfortunately, pedosexuals have also been the ones to stand up and take the heat to help prevent abuse toward their other sexual minority friends. This act of bravery among pedosexuals in the name of sexual equality has led to them being the ones being persecuted to this day, despite also being born with a different attraction. Now that the sexual liberation movement is succeeding, bigots have now focused all of their hate on pedosexuals, as they have already lost the war against other sexual minorities.
            So the question still stands: Should the LGBTQ+ movement accept pedosexuals? I think that the answer is quite obvious: Absolutely!



            https://hubstatic.com/14124524.jpg

            1. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I too am surprised Ken that someone who is supposedly interested in the truth should fail to actually refer to a fact-check of this story. Like this one:

              https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14125181_f1024.jpg
              https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lgbtp-adding-letter/

              Let me quote what this fact-check says:

              "This is not a genuine flyer from an LGBT group, nor has any LGBT group condoned pedophilia, let alone announced that a “P” would be added to the acronym in order to show support for pedophiles".

              https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2017/12/lgbtp.jpg?resize=768,932

              So this flyer is a fake. How strange that you should post it, and associate it with the Democratic Party but not mention that it is fake. Why is that Ken?

              The fact-check goes on:

              "This fraudulent poster seems to be the work of a 4chan misinformation campaign that began with a 23 June 2016 thread about tricking LGBT activists into supporting pedophiles. . . Several users chimed in with their ideas of how to make and promote the poster, which originally included the tagline 'Love Is Ageless'"

              Again, how strange you would post that image, but not report that it is part of a disinformation campaign? Again, why would that be Ken?

              And in case you want to see the thread that this disinformation campaign started in, here it is: https://4archive.org/board/b/thread/691172252

              https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14125210_f1024.jpg

              Here is a quote from that thread: "Flood twitter with #lgbtp and #loveisageless with pics like this"

              Here is another thread in which people planned to post false information that the LGBT community supports pedophilia:
              https://archive.is/ZtCIP

              Did all this information pass you by somehow Ken? How could that be for someone as dedicated to the truth as you are?

              Finally Ken, please tell me, does this message mean that we need to associate Republicans with paedophiles? By the standard of truth you are using, it does. If you don't think that's reasonable, why isn't it?

              https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14125205_f1024.jpg

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    Still !     No one on the left apparently dares to address the SCALE of the fact that Yes , violent protests are representative of the democratic party , Yes , That includes all political violence ,

    The amount of activist violence from the right is miniscule by comparison . EVEN adding into the mix that which represents your preposturous comparison of KKK and Nazism to the right in America , violence from republicans can't begin to  hold a candle to the almost daily inciting and perpetration from the left .

    Address the scale please ?

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    All so very interesting when one considers just how vehemently the democratic party is host to so much past justification for basically
    " all of the above "---If it can be considered to be of liberal thought ideology of  LGBQ , women on the front lines  transgenders in the military ,paid  sex change operations , underage marriages ,trans bathrooms in elementary schools , transracial , the elimination of the terms Boy or Girl Scouts , the entire wedding cake wars and resulting fiasco ,  ....................
    It's good to know some liberals do actually" draw a line "somewhere  ................
    Now you all have me wondering just how many of them do ?

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      As I said, should we associate the Republican Party with paedophilia on the bases of some some fake social media messages? Is that reasonable? If not, why not?

      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14125205_f1024.jpg

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    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    So either Trump has essentially "Hit The Nail On The Head" with retweeting  this video of CNNs stupidity  ,  OR  CNN actually took on , -----AFTER this video,  ............ the fake news personna  of today ?

    Freekin' beautiful !

  23. IslandBites profile image88
    IslandBitesposted 4 months ago

    Nazis and anti-Semites slip through GOP primaries

    Arthur Jones is an avowed member of the American Nazi Party, a Holocaust denier and a sympathizer of the Ku Klux Klan.

    He also is the Republican candidate challenging Democratic Rep. Dan Lipinski for Illinois’ Chicago-area 3rd Congressional District.


    Along with Jones, there is another outspoken Holocaust denier and anti-Semite on the Republican ballot in California.

    John Fitzgerald is running against incumbent Democratic Rep. Mark DeSaulnier in California’s 11th Congressional District after finishing second with 24.8 percent of the vote in the state’s “jungle” primary. This qualified him for the general election.

    Paul Nehlen is running for a chance to fill the seat of House Speaker Paul Ryan in Wisconsin’s 1st Congressional District.

    A self-described “pro-White” candidate who sought Ryan’s seat in 2016, Nehlen has made headlines for suggesting the country have a discussion about not letting Muslims live in the country, and for defending white supremacist messages on social media. He also published the phone numbers and addresses of people who criticized his campaign, said that all his critics were Jewish and blasted some elected officials for allegedly being dual citizens of the U.S. and Israel.

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    ahorsebackposted 3 months ago

    Sharlee , Really ?   You're expecting the left to respond to the massive offset in the scale of violence from left to right  ?     We've asked them for that already and they keep dodging and deflecting that  issue because why ? Because they KNOW their rhetoric and actual  violence far outweighs that of the right .     You have to understand one idiotic editorial on the right during Obama's era equates to ALL of the hate from the left today towards trump and all of his followers.    That's the liberal P,C. denial games of Don W. or anyone in this very thread and more than a few others .

    Ever read Alinsky stuff Sharlee ?........Welcome to the left .

    1. Sharlee01 profile image91
      Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I have read some of Alinsky crazy... It is very clear, not many here lean right.  Makes it very hard to civil, some drive me over the edge. I have been ban twice in the past month. It's apparent some here belong to a herd. Don, for instance, brings up others opinions to bolster his own. Can't even wrap my head around this, left that tactic back in grade school. Where the he-- are we headed?

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        ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Well, as a lot of us know very well , conservatives remain quiet until  far later than the parrots squawk . Yes there are many parrots on the left who're rather vocal and very provocative so keep your cool , you actually reason very well to their general angry rants  .  I have been banned a few times here and in truth everyone knows that THAT IS the mission of the left , silence the opposition at all costs .

        They have even sacrificed themselves to that cause by taunting until they get banned too..
        I try now to just point out the hypocrisies of the left , they constantly ask for sources as if their own media wasn't almost  totally biased to their causes .

        I would absolutely hate to be of the younger generations here that are so brainwashed and they will remain so for years to come .   Why in the world do parents who should be far wiser about the systematic brainwashing of these younger generations allow such to happen today ? 

        Keep your cool Sharlee , you are wiser , calmer and far more informed  than they are !

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Lefties are always the cooler heads and simply are made up from more sophisticated substance. BTW, stormy weather is coming, Horse. More great news about the GOP  anticipated get to an a$$ kicking this coming November, so then what is a rightwinger to do?

          An a$$ kicking be there will....,
          Yoda

        2. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Or maybe you’ve been banned so many times because you’re actually the exact opposite of calm and cool-headed?

          Maybe you should try taking responsibility for yourself rather than blaming everyone else. I know that’s kinda your schtick but you might actually learn something about yourself if you don’t always pretend it’s everyone else’s fault.

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            ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Oh yea , I'm gonna learn something from the mentality and maturity of nine year olds ?

  25. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 3 months ago

    "Pushing the narrative that violent rhetoric etc. is mainly an issue for the left, is a poor choice.". That is your opinion, to me, it is a choice I am ready to defend it and have... Just to make it very clear, In my opinion, those that lean to the left have no problem promoting violence, as well as committing it.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Well, Sharlee, we say the same thing about the radical right and, then, ten cents just might get you a cup of coffee. Who is to say that your opinion is any more valid than mine or Don's?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Bingo... Well said...   Boy, it certainly took a long time and lots of bitter words to finally come to a pretty good opinion.  "Who is to say that your opinion is any more valid than mine or Don's? "  NO one...  However, I have a right to defend my an opinion if confronted.    It is clear we have very different opinions on this subject. Sometimes it's just better to agree to disagree.

        My original question was a simple one. It required a simple response. The thread has taken many turns and curves. I was asked for resources to back my point. I will admit I was shocked by how many incidences of left-wing violence is available online.  I was really not able to find much in regards to rightwing violence.  Yes the KKK or Neo-Nazi groups certainly promote violence but are less visible.  And as a rule, Republicans do not associate themselves or condone  the ideology of these groups.

        After days of going back and forth, in my opinion, leftist appear to be more prone to dog whistles that can promote violence. There is just to much evidence that leans in that direction.

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          ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          We always do denounce any KKK and  other  "conservative" labeled and associated organizations , meaning because liberals call KKK or Nazi idiots right wingers , doesn't mean they are conservatives.

          But  do liberals call a halt to their Antifa , their campus riots , Seattle , Portland , Ferguson and other cities riots , their BLM  violence,  Berkeley riots ? Do they call for an end to the cop killings  happening almost daily ?   And yes , by association we can blame criminal cop killings on liberals . incited by the last  administration's and their party rhetoric  . No , they not only DON'T denounce  leftist violence  but they are more likely to defend it wholeheartedly .

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Blaming criminal activity on the political left is a cheap shot, Horse. I can easy say that the increased white supremacist and Aryan nations activity is due to the influence of its tacit Grand Poobah, Donald J. Trump. If you can blame Obama, then I can certainly blame Trump... these radical groups are based on  just a superlative extension of Conservatives deeply regarded principles and values,

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              ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Except .................ready for it ?

              Your party's violent uptic happened way before Trump was even running on a ticket !   So sorry you fail miserably  on that one .

            2. Sharlee01 profile image91
              Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Are you kidding?  The left has ripped Trump up one side and down the other.  "these radical groups are based on just a superlative extension of Conservatives deeply regarded principles and values," Really yet you did not find us at any of Hillary's rallies? And you certainly did not find republicans calling for violence, and encourage the assassination of the president. with comedic dog whistles or demented Government representatives calling to "Push Back" on anyone that is in the Trump WH. Congresswoman Daine Black was threatened, and a man charged for those threats yesterday... By a left-leaning nut. IT's almost hard to keep up with all the incidents. Not a cheap shot, the daily news provides plenty of truth on this subject.

              https://www.wate.com/news/tennessee/man … 1326031303

              1. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Your link does not establish that the threat is of a leftist nature, I need to know more about the assailant.

                You made your point Sharlee, but I see things this way:

                https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … ts/506078/

                Perhaps this is just another point of the impasse. We both have problems with the behavior of the other side.

                No one is talking about the assassinating the President and "Push Back" does not have a violent implication. Yes, I am against Trump and the vast majority of his policies and viewpoints and will challenge him as far as I can WITHIN the parameters of the law. Isn't that part of the job of the opposition in any circumstance? I am honest about it, at least.  I am not going to trip Trump up unfairly and won't have anything to say if he does not get out of line, but if he does I am all over him like a cheap suit.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                  Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  In regards to Maxine Waters comment. She did call to harass anyone that works in the Trump cabinet. She advocated that they should  go to their home to protest. Screaming "No peace, no sleep ". Actually, the left has hurt many people pushing back at  Trump rallies in the cause of pushing back... 

                  "[Maxine Waters:] Source: LYBIO.net
                  And so let’s stay the course. Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere …" "No peace, no sleep". 


                  Yes, I agree we have come to an impasse. It's your prerogative to state your opinion. We all have one...

          2. Sharlee01 profile image91
            Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Horse, No as a rule liberal will not denounce the violent groups that turn up at the protest to cause trouble.  Actually, they, as a rule, don't even see the problem with the vile left dog whistles. They compare, they deflect, they don't accept the reality of just how violent the far left has become. They seem to feel it's OK because they are trying to promote and an ideology that they accept as "something good". You know like no more straws, but plastic water bottles and the plastic lid's covering their coffee is OK... LOL   And then there are the plastic syringes that they provide their junkies in San Fan. you know they would not want them to become ill from a germy needle. Guess it did not dawn on them a junkie is not the picture of health.  If this was not so sad, I would be laughing...

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Looking at the dialogue between Don and yourself and with my observations and opinions diametrically opposed to yours, perhaps it is better that we agree to disagree.....

    2. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      In this thread the number of examples of violence or violent rhetoric, coming from the right, that you have raised without prompting is: 0.

      That's not just expressing an opinion, it's telling a false story. These are the false stories you, and others, have tried to tell in this thread:

      It's mostly people on the left who tend to be violent
      The Democratic Party condones violence
      The Democratic Party actively encourages violence
      The Democratic Party stands for pedophilia! (see Ken Burgess' comments)

      Again, these are not merely "opinions" Sharlee01. They are false narratives.

      In the interests of balance though (following Credence2's example) this is not unique to the right. So here are some false narratives some people on the left try to push:

      Everyone on the right is a racist
      The Republican Party are all Nazis and White Supremacists
      Everyone on the right is an idiot
      No one on the right has a shred of decency

      As a political conservative, you know those narratives about conservatives are not true. So why should you treat them as anything other than false? Likewise, why should I, or others, treat the narratives about liberals in this thread as anything other than false (I mean, pedophilia, really?!?)

      Some people in prominent positions sew seeds of division in society, but they can't actually create division. It takes ordinary people to cultivate seeds of division so they bear fruit. You are cultivating seeds of division. That's what false narratives do.

      The beauty of forums like this, is that they provide the opportunity to talk to people with different political views, who you may not have the opportunity to speak to otherwise. At the beginning of this thread, you asked for opinions on violent rhetoric, and you got them. And what did that show?

      As far as I can see, not one single person who you might call a liberal, has said they support political violence, or violent rhetoric. Not one. Instead of allowing that to help inform your view of "the left" though, you've totally ignored it.

      Remember, when you talk about "the left", you're not just talking about some abstract thing. You're talking about those of us on the forum who are on the left. If we say we don't agree with political violence, don't tell us we're wrong because that doesn't fit the story you want to tell about "the left". That only leads to the ridiculous situation where you are telling people who are part of the left, what "the left" thinks! Perhaps you could try listening instead.

      There are lots of people on the forum who will give you an honest left-wing view of almost any subject. You're spoilt for choice. False narratives should have no place though.

      Some people on the forums revel in those false narratives, but you don't have to be one of them. For example, you could choose to treat the forum as an opportunity to get the views of ordinary people on the left, rather than using it to push narratives about "the left" from Facebook, or YouTube, or wherever else these false narratives come from.

      That's what I meant by making better choices. It doesn't necessarily mean changing your political view. You're a conservative and you have every right to be. It just means basing your opinions on something that's real, instead of something that's false.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Let me remind you, you were the one that started to compare Right and left. You were the one that asked for resources. You became defensive.  When confronted. I don't back down. Maybe just a simple answer to my question would have been enough. You see I have an opinion too. And will defend it.  It is odd that when another's opinion differs from your own, you just will not call it a day. Let it go...

        And in regard to a False narrative? Another incident occurred a couple of days ago yesterday... Congresswoman Black life was threatened, and an arrest resulted. Can't really even keep up with the lefts threats against Republicans. Sorry, but I do find the left have very violent tendencies and are just more apt to be violent when they think they have a cause. And dog whistles sometimes is all it takes to set one off.

        https://www.wate.com/news/tennessee/man … 1326031303

      2. Sharlee01 profile image91
        Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Don,

        You don't seem to know the difference between opinions and a narrative? The difference is an opinion is a belief.

        Don states- "That's not just expressing an opinion, it's telling a false story. These are the false stories you, and others, have tried to tell in this thread:

        It's mostly people on the left who tend to be violent
        The Democratic Party condones violence
        The Democratic Party actively encourages violence
        The Democratic Party stands for pedophilia! (see Ken Burgess' comments)"

        In regard to the following statements-
        It's mostly people on the left who tend to be violent
        The Democratic Party condones violence
        The Democratic Party actively encourages violence.

        In my opinion, these statements ring of truth to me.  I have a right to my personal opinion.  You can call them a narrative if it suits you. However, they are my opinion. And you know what? There are millions that feel the exact same way. If It may make you uncomfortable, but that's your problem.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

          But Sharlee, I need to remind you that there are millions that believe the way Don and I do as well. Remember, Trump won only with a slight of hand regarding the Electoral College, the popular vote certainly went my way. He may not be so lucky next time....

          1. profile image0
            ahorsebackposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            "Trump won only with the Slight of Hand Of the Electoral College ",  Now there is a brilliant statement ,  That's how Trump won , trickery , a shell game ,  fixing an election ,  magic of some kind for certain ...........?

            Trump won because of the absolute brilliance of a candidate who couldn't coagulate a message , couldn't visit a campaign trail , couldn't  hide a corrupt past , nor contain  a corrupt DNC from exposing itself like her husband would be proud to do , that couldn't  buy a victory for her with raw green cash .

          2. Sharlee01 profile image91
            Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

            That is very true. Although everything he touches turns to gold. Most people love gold...  He is doing a wonderful job with the economy, and he makes it all look so easy. He is visibly working daily on problems that have plagued the country for years. If he wins with his foreign, he is a shoe in.

            It is obvious you are an intelligent person. Just makes me wonder how you are not willing to recognize that all is going well in the country, and most likely more to come.

            So, will he be lucky next time around? This is where you don't seem to understand, it was not luck. IT was an agenda, a progresses agenda. He was brave enough to point out longtime problems, and solutions to solving those problems. Yes, all politicians make promises, and we as voters have come to know they don't keep them. People with common sense saw Trump as different, and many of us at this point looked at the two candidates. Hillary bringing a long past of corruption, and scandal, a phony...  A woman that many of us women would be ashamed of.  Trump a businessman, with a big mouth, that will bring transparency, and would most likely shake Washington at its core. Which he has done. His agenda was very progressed, and he is delivering on it. You may not realize it, but he is making good on his promises.   If he keeps solving problems and providing people with a better lifestyle, and the world becomes a safer place. There is no doubt he will win.

            I have mentioned this in another comment  I think it is important to repeat.
            Many in my circle of friends were hardcore Dems, many have jumped the fence.  Admitting Trump is doing a good job, and claim they will vote for him if he continues to solve problems. Common sense, as a rule, wins out over groupthink.  As a rule, I don't make predictions. but if I had to make a prediction on the next presidential election. Trump will win without a problem. No one wants to go backward...

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
              JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Everything soon to be imprisoned or worse Bozo Trump touches does indeed turn to gold, FOOLS Gold that is:

              "How Trump’s Casino Bankruptcies Screwed His Workers out of Millions in Retirement Savings"

              https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 … ankruptcy/

              1. Sharlee01 profile image91
                Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Oh Jake, I missed you...  Not sure you know the ins and outs of bankruptcy. I do know my brother-in-law worked for many years for Kmarts, and h lost all when they went bankrupt. I can't really comment on bankruptcy. Was Trump charged with breaking every bankruptcy laws? Found this article at one of the liberals trusted "Bible". sites...

                https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete … kruptcies/

                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Oh believe me Sharlee01, I know everything there is to know about bankruptcy and you don't file for chapter 11 or 7 unless your ineptitude and corrupt motives  drive your company(s) into the dirt and with it employees retirement savings, just like soon to be imprisoned Bozo Trump did several times over:

                  And now we get these phony GDP numbers from his lie prone white house and even if true, higher GDP does absolutely nothing for the common worker which he could care less about and that's a fact:

                  "Donald Trump's Many Business Failures, Explained"

                  https://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/don … 86091.html

            2. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Sharlee, I would say that "everything he touches" turns into something other than gold, but I will not elaborate.

              You are an intelligent person, but there are a lot of intelligent people on either side of this debate. This is only going to be resolved based on which side has the greater number of people supporting their specific point of view.

              I know that the states that Trump won that were critical to the Electoral  College win have been traditionally Democrat strongholds, Penn, Mich, Wisc. But leave it to Hillary Clinton to ruin a free lunch. We will come back again with a better candidate in 2020, bringing those reliable democratic constituencies back into the fold.

              I lean left politically and from an economic standpoint, so I am naturally going to distrust Conservatives generally, and Trump, in particular. Rather than this unorthodox, shake up the system hero, I see, basically, just another conservative having a coarse manner.

              As for everything he has done and the things everybody gives him credit for, I remain skeptical with a "wait and see" attitude. I will give him credit where it is due, but it will be grudgingly and he will have definitely earned it.

              "Common Sense" often times turns out not to be so common and may well not appear to be sensible, depending on which side of the looking glass you view things from. I do find conservatives irritatingly adhering to the lock step ideas and beliefs that characterize them. I consider that "groupthink".

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                The stock market is setting new records.  Unemployment is the lowest it has been in decades.  The number of jobs is absolutely phenomenal.  Both successful land unsuccessful illegal border crossings are down.  Wages are up.

                How long are you going to "wait and see" if his programs are successful?  Until you can find one that fails (perhaps N Korea) and declare everything he touches fails?

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  How long?

                  Until the end of his first 4 year term. I will then make my assessments of his accomplishments and failures

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Promise?  While everything is a total failure for now it can suddenly become a rousing success at a specific date?  And will you be honest or will you use your intense dislike for anything labeled "conservative" to make the assessment with?  (Better not use the "progressive" label, for he is "progressing" to a better country right now.)

        2. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          It's simple. An opinion is a view or judgement formed about something that's not necessarily based on fact. A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. A narrative is a story.

          When you express opinions as if they are facts, and use those "facts" to construct a story. Then point to individual examples that support your story, while ignoring a significant number of examples that contradict it, then you are creating a false narrative.

          And I know you believe the false story that "mostly people on the left tend to be violent". That's why I highlighted it. You've tried to maintain that false narrative by doing all of the above, and have become hostile when I've pointed it out to you.

          What confuses me about all this though, is how you can say this . . .

          "I agree with you, right and left need to realize it' never good to generalize a group of people and insinuate negative attributes. It certainly furthers division(1)"

          . . . and then say this . . .

          "No as a rule liberal will not denounce the violent groups that turn up at the protest to cause trouble. Actually, they, as a rule, don't even see the problem with the vile left dog whistles. They compare, they deflect, they don't accept the reality of just how violent the far left has become. They seem to feel it's OK because they are trying to promote and an ideology that they accept as "something good". You know like no more straws, but plastic water bottles and the plastic lid's covering their coffee is OK... LOL   And then there are the plastic syringes that they provide their junkies in San Fan. you know they would not want them to become ill from a germy needle. Guess it did not dawn on them a junkie is not the picture of health. If this was not so sad, I would be laughing..."(2)

          If generalizing people is never good, why have you just generalized a large percentage of the population and projected negative attributes onto them? Why are you doing something you admit furthers division? Why are you making derogatory statements about me and good people that I know, as if those statements are proven true when they are not?

          That comment is not merely expressing an opinion. It's a fabrication. An attempt to create a false narrative which furthers division. You have the right to do that if you choose. Likewise, I have the right to challenge such narratives where I see them. You may not like your false narratives being challenged, but that's not something I can help you with.

          (1) https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4014155
          (2) https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4019058

  26. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 3 months ago

    Horse, could not have said it better.  This president will go down as one of the very best at doing his job and doing it under great obstruction from the Democrat party. Trump makes it all look o easy too. Makes one wonder why we have put up with the previous status quo.   His magic was, he was transparent, and he addressed the ugly problems we have been made to live with for some time. He promised to be a voice of the people. Yes, many politicians made the same promise. Trump is keeping it. And as a result, it is driving Dems crazy... All their politically correct BS has lost its momentum, and many saw it for what it was. BS.. Yes, there are many that still ascribe to the ideology of the Obama left, those are the herd mentality. They knew it was a popular herd to follow. However, they have not recognized the leaders of the herd have jumped the fence and left them to roam around and bump into one another.

  27. Sharlee01 profile image91
    Sharlee01posted 3 months ago

    How did he ever get to be worth Billions?

 
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