We need to keep in mind that freedom of speech was created for some Good. (As in disseminating what is True.)
Not some Bad. (As in Lying.)
There seems to be a lot of abuse of free speech on the internet and ELSEWHERE!
The U.S. Government is NOT to keep secrets from We The People who they are the Trustees of (Article 6.3). It is not to tell us LIES and HIDE most of the truth of what is going on in this nation from us. They DON'T have "Free Speech" to lie to us concerning what they are doing, being trustees they are obligated to let us know everything happening in this nation except war tactics used to DEFEND this nation from intruding warmongers. Constitutionally we are not supposed to be th warmongers we are, we are to be a peace loving and producing nation.
I never attended college so I didn't get it from there.
We seem to be in a period where we need to learn how to enforce boundaries.
A. Legal laws archived in Congress' law books/records regarding slander, monopolies and on and on...
B. Moral boundaries set forth by Judea/Christian traditions regarding The Ten Commandments.
C. The Golden Rule set forth by theists and atheists alike regarding common decency, RESPECT, graciousness, fairness and basic justice.
It is one thing to have boundaries, it is another thing to set them UP.
This (boundary setting/enforcing) is where we are lacking, (understatement.)
It is also problematic in the American family:
Not knowing how to set boundaries or enforce them or even knowing when and why to set them.
But then this country is young. We can learn.
School of hard knocks.
That is why this nations is called "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth," it set boundaries where there need not be and forces itself into the boundaries set by others nations causing chaos in them.
Boundaries are to provide Freedom. Without them, there can be no freedom. Freedom and Boundaries are two sides of the same coin.
Do you think that some of this is spilling over from family life in which few are no boundaries are set? Somehow, my generation was fascinated by Dr. Spock who advocated a very liberal approach to bringing up children and influenced many parents to become "friends" with their children rather than parents who set rules and boundaries. Twenty years after he published the book, he repented and said that the best thing a parent could do with his book was to apply it to the seat of their child's pants.
The Gen X parents are quite strict with their kids ... in retaliation to the baby boomer permissiveness. Their boundary setting, however, is oppressive, rather than helpful. These kids might become very rebellious, as we were ... because WE had strict parents ... History always ends up repeating itself!
So true. The pendulum seems to swing back and forth with every succeeding generation. My son (borderline boomer) and his wife (GenX) were strict with their kids to the point of home schooling them. Today my Millenium granddaughter hasn't decided whether she will homeschool her toddler daughter and newborn son when the time comes, but it is obvious that she is a well-rounded person and she and hubby will make an intelligent decision.
MizBejabbers, Using the Garden in Eden metaphor's verse 24, we children are to be brought up by parents but when we become adolescents we are to forsaken those teachings and become "objective observers who participate for experiencing various outcomes for reasoning with to be ablate revealer findings to others." Spock's later repentance appears to say "parents should loosely but firmly raise their children so that they can, as adolescents, explore things in life for themselves to choose to either follow parental instructions or their own reasonings. However, that passage represents an appointed time, civilization's terminating time, then spiritual awakening is supposed to happen. The Christ called that being "born" out of the fleshly consciousness into a "spiritual" one.
People have always lied. The internet is just a megaphone. People have always preferred to believe a nasty rumor instead of a boring truth. Those who insist the boring truth take precedent have rarely been popular, or listened to, until the majority is forced to hear it and admit it to be true. And, they usually begrudge the outcome.
Freedom of speech is the only thing that allows the boring truth to eventually be heard. Any attempt to tinker with that principle would ultimately hurt the truth, most of all.
Here hw agree, I think, for the first time, LtL.
I see how, to our human minds, we need dividing of everything into good and evil for providing excitement and purpose for being alive. Yet, "IF" the majority were not "prevented" by our egos from coming into the truth we would not "begrudge the outcome."
It is "free speech" that will allow the few destined to comprehend truth to be able to here it and fulfill their destiny to be, as Christians call it, saved.
Maybe that will eliminate your questioning the logic of my statement.
and there in lies the illness: that the truth is boring.
Most people are hypnotized, brainwash and programed lies since starting school. Power to be want kids in school as early as age 2 so they don't catch on to their scams, so fast. I find truth funnier and stranger than fiction. Some relate, many don't.
"Most people are hypnotized, brainwashed and programed by the public (and private?) schools.
The Powers That Be want kids in school as early as age 2 so they won't catch on to their scams."
What scams exactly, do you think?
Just who are those Powers????
And we end up with psyches that are messed up. Most of us are still trying to recover from the lies, the negative programming and the brainwashing.
I always wondered why the native peoples resisted and refused to enter into our European based society.
Now, I understand why they held out. I still think we can learn from them, if its not too late. It would be beneficial to check out/research and learn from their heritage and ways.
For instance how did they raise and teach their children?
They had no schools.
Hint: Children were near their parents as they performed their daily tasks. They freely observed and learned to do what the adults were doing. They were not stuck in daycares where the caretakers are just earning a paycheck for watching them.
They were not catered to, spoiled and consequently made to be and feel helpless by overindulgent parents.
They were not forced into activities they were not ready for or uninterested in, or rushed about frantically to sports practices and games, as most kids are in today's society of over-achievering parents!
There were no clocks telling them what time it was.
They knew by the position of the sun. They had a sense of ABOUT what time it was and that was good enough.
Can you imagine if we got rid of our clocks?????????
We would all be much saner, I imagine.
Yes, sister KLH, the natives saw their lies because every time Europeans made a treaty with them they broke them [and still doing it like with Trump's allowing the pipeline Obama, once he was told to look at the treaties, disallowed] and walk among them but without trusting them. All such misinformation is the reason for the world over to distrust this nation. It's why I constantly say the Bible calls it "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."
Freedom of speech is for some good.
If we curtail the abuses we will ENJOY the benefits.
The true powers to be throughout history is the people who decide what is allowed or acceptable in a group, organization, etc.
The original power to be started with Paul the apostle and Emperor Nero. Nero full of hogwash, nonsense, oligarch, a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes. Yet when Christians took up violence they became part of the problem, not the solution, similar heirachary hunger.
Today powers to be is wider spread of Banks, state and Corperationism. Capitalism is a good free markets, Corperationism is not, which most do not understand. When they control the schools, multimedia and entertainment, they control our minds. The banks are at the top of the food chain. I myself have sold out for the money success many times. Today I"m more balanced and happy designing my life where money is just 1/5 the slice of life. By creating a barter systems. Can build a healthy house in 3 month rather than it owning me. My products are always in demand.
That is the truth except the U.S. Constitution made the governors of these Disunited States of America "public trustees" in Article 6.3. That means They are supposed two be subjected to the will of We The People rather tan the other way around. Early after writing the constitution (it has never been implemented and now government is using a corporations' written one) the leaders saw the people in general were not paying any attention to what the government was doing and they progressively took away more and more constitutional prescribed liberties from We The People. Now that they have squeezed us to he point we have to wake up, no one appears interested in using the constitution to establish the "nation of peace" it provides for.
If you want a short version of how the constitution is interpreted look at my interpretation it entitled "The U.S. Constitution's Spirit."
The US two party selective system has a strangle hold on the people.
The US green party did get 2.7 votes.People way of thinking would need to double that vote, to begin to change anything.
It might take an abusive fire like the one of Roman's empire to burst into flames, in order to turn people's way of thinking from fear to some how to love.
Any type of multiple party system, per the preamble's "more perfect union," makes it unconstitutional to even have. Nothing suggesting otherwise is found in it nor the Declaration of Independence so why don't We The People bring that to the attention of the governors in a petition [not a protest]?
If my interpretation of many prophecies, mostly biblical, are correct "the son of man" is supposed to take the government from Trump any day now, evict all major personnel and implement "Marshal Law" to bring this nation and the world into peace until enough 5% of the world's people are in Armageddon and another 5 spreading the message of joining them.
Come to think of it, Christians started a bit like anarchist, then became the authority.
Anarchy today don't want Authorities running and leading their lives in far greater unethical ways. They want non violent Change. Watch a few shows of Anarchast on youtube, America native with their religion of nature and anarchast, I learn unlimited ways of healthy thinking.
KLH, I think sometimes truth is confused with opinion, personal beliefs and bias.
Absolute truth is supported by factual, empirical, evidence. It is beyond dispute. Propaganda is frequently not based on facts.
Mere beliefs are subjective, supported only by an individual’s perspective/bias, which can be influenced by propaganda. Naturally, opinion on any given unproven subject or issue is usually divided. This is where freedom of speech is important, with the proviso that publicly expressed opinions must not contravene law.
We are each, of course, entitled to our own private opinions. Ideally these will be based on logical reasoning, rather than emotions. We ought not, if we aim to live ethically, attempt to present opinion as fact. And if we dig beneath propaganda for factual evidence we may decide to change our opinions when hidden truths are discovered.
I agree with you, Glenis, 100%. That includes "This is where freedom of speech is important, with the proviso that publicly expressed opinions must not contravene law."
Free Speech, even when using terms considered to be unknowable, should be presented with a logical explanation others can reason with and should take precedence over emotional and conditioned reasonings.
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