It's always interesting and educational to get one more lesson in true-shake your head- hypocrisy with Democrats and their Adopt --a --Hero campaign , already with the death of Sen.John McCain they have postured , I say postured because it so fits democratic ideology , towards McCain as a hero against Trump .
Liberals , when John McCain was released as a POW , just as with all veterans returning from Vietnam , openly displayed their disgust for returning US troops . That is why even today Vietnam veterans have little good to say about liberals .
Now however , With Sen.McCain's death so close to the Trump TDS and Obstruction media war , they profess their love for McCains integrity , honor and morality . In 2008 the electoral college voted 2 to 1 for Obama ,the empty suit , over McCain ,
Anyone else NOW see the patterns of Hypocrisy the left always displays towards our military vets ?
If you don't or can't , then you never will !
Ok ahorseback, the whole Left v Right shtick has been done to death.
Do you think it might be time to give it a rest maybe?
Always looking for a story, huh, horse? From what I have seen, anyone or anything is a "hero" relative to Trump.
So, its all relative...
You are so damned opinionated, who made you the all seeing, all knowing oracle?
I don't vote nor trust Republicans or their ideology, then in 2008 to repeat again in 2020.... So, after the GOP caused meltdown, and the silly choice Mr. McCain made in selecting scatter brained Palin, the choice was quite clear. Even though for YOU it was Obama "empty suit".
We are all on the left making sure that for 2020, your opinion will be the losing one, sending Trump packing. But, who knows, I may not have to wait that long.
I can't help being more politically clairvoyant than you , probably because my ancestors were in the colonies before they even dreamed of becoming America . Who knows why but I do have an inherent ability to see through the hogwash your party spreads , I live next to a farm and occasionally in the pastures through the woods above my house there comes the manure spreaders and I am once again surrounded by the odor of democrat's ideological opinions .It doesn't last so long though . I think I'll stay .
2024...... maybe . No I don't see anything but cats herding themselves for your party until at least 2024 , the house ,or senate maybe . Until you actually chose a viable candidate ..........no sorry !
Oh, really? So? How does that qualify YOU? Ok, your great, great, great, great granddaddy was here. How does that give you any more insight on your rightwing America than that I could acquire by simply reading a comic book?
Is that so? I never particularly picked up on your clairvoyance in this area. I just see and hear rants...
Well, for what smells like bullsh*t for one man is for another the aroma of Chanel No. 5 as I heard it said by the late Lyndon B. Johnson.
We will have a viable candidate by 2020. Trump has got to go, and he will go, even while he kicks and screams.
Doubt it , "NA na NA na na naaaa !"
See you then .
Viable candidate? Yeah, like Hillary was viable? The best the democrats could come up with then doesn’t leave anything to choose from now. Cuomo is out after saying America was never great - I hear that played every day on the radio now. I guess they can find another lying felon like Hillary from their ranks, after all that seems to be the main qualification they look for in a candidate and of course they can justify a liar because they’ll just point to Trump’s lies as justification to endorse their liar.
Don't worry we will improve on Hillary for the 2020 contest, you better worry that your Trumpster does not "screw the pooch" between now and then....
Improve on Hillary? You can run a monkey and it would be an improvement on Hillary. I don’t give a hoot about Trump, it’s his policies and promises I like and what will keep any Democrat revival from ever happening. Trump could leave tomorrow and what then? Still won’t be a Democrat in the whitehouse, would be Pence and he isn’t going to implement the Democrats’ policies of higher taxes, bigger government, socialism and no majority of Americans is going to vote for that agenda after already rejecting Obama’s legacy, who btw everybody knows was a bigger liar on things that matter than Trump could ever be.
No, it’s all over for the Democrats, the writing is on the wall. As you say all they can hope for is for Trump to “screw the pooch”, a great campaign platform. It’s only about 2 years from the next presidential election and they have no candidate with a chance (name one) so you have to hope Trump screws the pooch. Lol quite a strategy for a party wishing in vane for a blue wave. The only blue wave we’ll see is them waving goodbye while singing the blues.
I know rightwingers like him and his policies. I don't.
As hard as the Righties are determined to defeat Democrats, we are working harder to nullify the Trump agenda with a Democratic dominated HR in 2018. We will make him a " lame Donald" during his first term. Trump will negotiate with the Democrats or what hope he has for salvaging his agenda will go right down the toilet. And his BS is not going to save him this time.Then we will dispense with both Trump and Pence for 2020.
You righties are wetting your pants in nervous anticipation, yes?
You guys keep talking about the Blue Wave, got you spooked doesn't it?You will jinx it and it will come and wash everything clean even those stubborn red spots.
So, if I were you, I would not count my chickens just yet.
Trump is such a natural clod, he will help us engineer his own demise.
If it is not obvious to you by now, let me inform you that I don't care a great deal for the Political Right, and that includes Trump or whatever label you have for him these days.
You should listen to yourself. Who cares you don’t like policies that work, we know what you want, higher taxes, bigger government, shielding of the deep state and none of that will get a democrat elected. No one has to work hard to defeat democrats, they are defeating and will defeat themselves just like they did with Hillary.
It’s the Democrats that harp about the blue wave, not right wingers. We know it’s nothing but a joke and their last hurrah to feign that they are even relevant.
So your plan is that Trump will screw the pooch and we will jinx a blue wave by calling it out for what it is, a joke? That’s your plan for a come back? I still haven’t heard of one viable democrat candidate from you for 2020, it’s so hard to think of one you have ignored my question to name one.
Yeah, Trump is such a clod Hillary was supposed to beat him in a landslide - did that not teach you anything? along with the democrats being creamed on governorships and state legislatures by the republicans in the last election?
The facts are irrefutable which means the only ones wetting their pants is the Democrats. What the left needs is fewer loons and more diapers.
As for "politics that work" that is your opinion. I am willing to let the electorate decide what has been working or not, are you? That deep state stuff is just more right wing BS without any real foundation in fact.
Nobody is buying it.
Remember tha tTrump won due to Hillary's negligence, states that went to the Orange beast that are traditionally Democratic. The chances that a Republican can win in PA, WI, MI again is not likely and was a fortuitous fluke for Trump.
Obama won two term, popular vote and all. So, if anything is true, we will just have to wait and see for the outcome. Rightwingers pray for lightning to strike in the same place twice. Don't count on it. Mid terms almost without exception at this point in a new administration works against the controlling party. So as Yoda says, "an a$$ kicking be there will".
Big Government, small government; conservatives are good with broad based superlatives and bromides,ignoring the fact that the truth requires the application of a subtle nuance or two.
So, much for expecting an elephant to deftly handle a scalpel?
I like Elizabeth Warren, however Joe Biden may throw his hat into the ring. We will see, but Trump will not go unchallenged.
I'm hoping the Democratic party simply dies. It's new found open love of socialism, instead of its 'pretend we don't support socialism' stance, it ought to be enough, with all the scandals of the Clintons and the DNC, to kill the party.
The Democratic party completely deserves to die. US political parties have died before, and they can certainly die again.
America was always powerful for not being a socialist nation, for not having parasitic government agencies in control of every tiny little thing.
Yeah, I certainly don't care for the opinions or desires of what the 'we want gigantic controlling government' people want.
When the DNC is taken down for good, we've got to all organize some way in order to take down the horrific leftist slander media. Big Tech's epic censorship in 2018 will never be forgotten. That stuff is completely unacceptable.
It's like they want to create a hell here like in the U.K., where you are a criminal for stating that your own people, the native people of the United Kingdom, actually matter to you more than death cult rape and murder savages.
These people can't think for themselves at all. They hated McCain, and probably called him a racist, like they do everyone who runs against a democrat, when he ran against Obama.
Suddenly a dead war criminal is their hero because the leftist news media told them he was. So if they are such big McCain fans, why can't they remember at least 3 of his war crimes?
Yeah, there is no deep state. And How about this. Strzok claimed he reviewed 700,000 emails on weiner’s laptop, many classified which is a felony for him to have them (never prosecuted on that). He only looked at 3000 of them after sitting on them for a month and this is the laptop Comey said only had 30,000 emails on it.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/0 … er-laptop/
Warren or Biden? Wow, either of them would be a gift to Republicans, but then anyone I can think of would be also. Serving up warmed leftovers is not going to bring voters to the table and that will be the biggest problem the Democrats will have after they have experienced the blue wave FAIL and Trump never screws the pooch. They are already trying to not run on impeaching Trump and voters will realize that will never get through the Senate so they won’t even bother to vote if their reason to vote is to impeach Trump. So let’s see the Democrat platform will be we can’t impeach Trump but pray he screws the pooch, people want higher taxes and that money wasted on endless house investigations while, oh and after almost 250 years as a republic and the greatest country in history the electorate is going to want the country to become a socialist government. Yeah, that will work...go for it!
It took me a couple seconds to decide this. La Veezta, I like you.
Credence, why do you think people on the far right are so angry all of the time?
You got me wondering, Promisem. I was just responding to Horse's shallow and weak rebuttal to my question.
People on the far right loathe democracy and the democratic process. Ultimately, they fear popular sovereignty as the random element that they cannot control preventing the emergence of a world to their liking. That is what has got all the rightwingers on this thread nervous, around the idea that their King and his Court may well fall and they cannot prevent it.
While the left is inclusive the Right is exclusive in acknowledging rights and privileges for all Americans without exception.
But, this is my opinion, according to the Right, the Left is angry. I would not say that we as angry as determined to remove undesirables and institute a change in course.
It is said that Republicans do better when fewer people vote. Well, a motivated, driven Democrat party constituency must give your typical rightwinger cause for concern, it must terrify them.
I sometimes wonder if the far right of today is any different emotionally from the far left of the '60s and '70s.
It seems like a pendulum that swings one way and then another over the course of time.
How about this media, full of praise for McCain now but the respect and honesty we're seeing from the 2018 media is a far cry from McCain’s treatment in 2008. McCain was labeled as a racist, a get-off-my-lawn grouch with a divisive temper, someone whose health should be scrutinized because of his age.
It's hard to watch this
without getting furious. Even more infuriating is how the worst offenders, Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, now speak so kindly of him, when they were previously so dismissive... actually repulsed.
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/ … n-08%3famp
Had McCain and Trump gotten along better I wonder what the fickle press would be saying now. McCain forbade Trump from attending the funeral yet Jake Tapper, not mentioning that, is making a big deal about Trump being on the golf course today. This may not be fake news but for sure the press’s adornment is fake. They can not be trusted.
What is really odd was McCain carries a grudge against Trump to his grave after screwing his own constituents just to spitefully keep Trump from fulfilling s campaign promise on Obamacare and yet he welcomes the press who switched from supporting McCain to annihilating him on his run for President. They are whom he should hold a grudge against if anyone. That is if he wanted to take a grudge to the grave, a thing to do that’s not befitting any Christian.
No , When one party becomes the enemy of the whole governing system in America . Why should those of us who still love America as it was designed "give it a rest ", Don ?
Seems like someone may be insecure with the fact that many of us, and more and more of us, all the time, are realizing that is exactly the situation. The leftists are the enemy of progress.
They try to control the narrative with their mass media. But we are witnessing the greatest lack of trust in mass media, probably in our entire history.
That is a wonderful thing. The gig is up. Everyone can see what those people on the tv are really about.
We all have to be thankful that there is at least one party in the US that has positioned itself as the catalyst holding our system together . While democrats chameleon themselves into the future , conservatives hold steadfast .
An example , Liberals have once again flipped on their superdelegates status to again attain a instant oatmeal or canned candidate from within the herd .
Change ,change , change until you become again the same as where you began .
LaVeezta, "..............fewer Loons and more diapers......... " , I've been here going on nine years and even I cannot top that one !
DNC , Please Send Depends .
Sorry I can’t take credit when it is handed up to me on a silver platter. But 9 years? that could be because few people around here deal in the facts nor can read the writing on the wall. (As i’m Sure you know, that’s a reference to scripture which is something else they should learn about - the way it looks now on elections a wish and a prayer is all that is left for them.)
Ever seen a party with such low amount of creative political platform as democrats and yet fakely spewing ego matching the likes of Donald Trump himself ?
As podium pounding socialists lead them into the dark ; Kinda reminds me of Adolph .
Trump said " You're going to get soo' sick of winning , you're going to beg me please ,please , please , no more winning "
Oh Credence , where to begin with that rant ....."people on the right loathe democracy " No we on the right loathe that you are voting socialism and democratic sponsored entitlement right into OUR democracy .
"Inclusive ....exclusive ,," Believe me , at this point republicans would gladly replace socialists like yourselves with perhaps even illegal immigrants . They at least appreciate America for something.
There has never been a party so inclusive as the Republican party who's supported the melting pot that America has become from the beginning , Unlike Democrats who merely exploit any and all minorities , illegal or not , purposefully and for mere economic PARTY gain . Minorities See any of the electorally acquired grants , tax revenues , welfare dollars? No , the "programs "get it all .
Planned parenthood for one . Academia and it's party welfare workforces get all the dollars , the man on the street only get's a new democratic party "wish list" .
I could go on.
"There has never been a party so inclusive as the Republican party who's supported the melting pot that America has become from the beginning , Unlike Democrats who merely exploit any and all minorities , illegal or not , purposefully and for mere economic PARTY gain "
Beautifully stated. The Democrats, as has always been the case, are the party of racists.
What is socialism to you is containing the excesses of capitalism for me. But of course, since your great, great grandmother churned butter here in the before time, you have some strange premonition regarding our future course.
So we vote for whomever we want to, any objection?
I really don't care how Republicans "see it" or who they want to replace. I am determined to remove its influence in a political sense.
So, if I don't suck up to stupid right wing philosophies then I don't appreciate America? Where does that addled reasoning come from?
Inclusive? The Democrats at their rallies don't need court jesters like Diamond and Silk or signs from one black guy saying "Blacks for Trump". So, the GOP is anything but inclusive.
As a minority, I am the judge of whether WE are being exploited, how would you know?
The typical racist always associate black political loyalty with welfare and entitlements.
I know that you could "go on", but you will spare us all, won't you?
Now Credence throws the minority card into the mix ,as usual , ....as usual ! Lesson in history Credence , socialism and a capitalism based representative / republic will not now nor will it ever mix, It's simply oil and water .
The democratic party has stripped naked and dances drunk to the tune of the socialism dance and in the last ten year's dream sequenced an entitlement government to the point that the world now clearly sees its acquired political agenda.
No it isn't that you" don't suck up to the stupid right wing conspiracies ".......It's really about the fact that you don't even appreciate your democratic party form of voting. The Sanders and Cortez's philosophy , You know the" gimme gimmmies " are where you've evolved to as a party .
Whatever you do , please stop acting like you're the last defence of the American way of life , Democrats "adopting a hero "simply for political capital is such a transparent form of cheap politics , I guess we should all be amazed though , I mean ....a demobrat today waving a US flag ?..................Riiiiiight !
Horse, you were the one that first mentioned "minority" in your previous diatribe.
Earth to Horse, Earth to Horse, what do you think the current arrangement already is: elements of socialism and capitalism. What is it that YOU people want, do we go back to the 19th century? Most of you are a good fit there. I buried all of those from that period in the remote past, so what are you doing still walking around?
Why don't I appreciate the Democratic Party form of voting? What distinction are you trying to show?
We don't adopt heroes, it is just that I don't like some cowardly draft dodging Repugnican pig trashing people who actually sacrifice something for us all of immeasurable value. So, in that sense, I am justified in saying that I defend a very important concept of American life and what it means to be American.
Draft dodging ? You mean Bill Clinton's coke years ?
But, Bill Clinton was at least prudent enough not to attack the men and who actually served and made the ultimate sacrifice. No so with the pig you currently worship
Pig ? A pig is defined as someone who rutts in the back yard , ripping , tearing , gouging something to consume . Always something to consume for itself .......To many , many politically ? Obama and Clinton's entitlement spendings fit that bill.
Pig? Someone worships a pig? Who? Perhaps you should be more clear, or maybe you are misusing the English language.
This is a writing website. In order to communicate with people you have to use the correct words, or else when you say 'pig,' you may mean 'banana.' It is impossible to decipher sentences when people are misusing words.
Are you trying to be funny? Let's not get cryptic, there are pigs (figurately) and people that do worship them, particularly right wingers
I'll give the target a name, Benzino Napoloni.
I'm unaware of anyone who worships pigs on the entire planet. Maybe it is common in your tribe of hate.
Whatever, I let rightwingers say and think what they want, I really couldn't care less as I am out to dismantle them and their philosophies from the ground up.
You grasp at gossamer to make your irrelevant comparisons hold water. Who said that his killings were politically motivated? Or, could he be just a goofy-a$$ed kid that just lost it?
LOL. Good luck. You'll need lots of it. I don't see our great nation going back to social justice warrior la la land any time soon, but you're free to dream your dreams, and worship pigs or whatever you people do.
Apparently you don't understand similes. As a writer, you'd think maybe you would. Or, maybe you never read Animal Farm? You see, that is a metaphor. lol. They call your statement "Something else" where I come from...not humor.
Rightwingers are known for their loathing of higher education and the results of scientific inquiry and method. Since they consider academia as under the purview of liberals, I guess that is why Left corners the market on the "smarts" Ain't nothing new there.
The Democratic party is dying , at least it is admittedly in transition , The media now , that is another story . Like the old newsprint days -the new media is also losing it's grip on $ profiteering and ratings .
Social media is the new media - fused with the brainwashed minds of millennials and X-ers , it's all in the APPs , the old media routes must be pulling their hair out as even Trump tries his best to revive them with his daily dose of hysteria . I do love it though that the cost to the news media is so evident in that Trump has a direct line to the voters ears with twitter , Twitter loves it too , So to he)) with the news media , They deserve all they don't get .
Killer David Katz is quite likely the kind of killer that might reside in any of your houses , He made me think immediately of Adam Lanza , self-locked in the darkroom basement room , fed video games from birth for birthday , for Christmas , for putting the toilet seat up and down correctly and flushing once in a while , a father missing , a mother rewarding with games for being friends .
One more entitled punk kid living an alt reality of gaming until some "bully " down the street beats his a$$ in a stupid game , goes bezerk and kills everyone but video providing mommy . If he weren't already dead she probably would have brought his games to prison and we'd still be paying the bills. Back to the subject ; He probably didn't know John McCain from Abel and Cain.
Many many senators become ,instead of representing their state , Washington DC parasites , In Vermont we called Leahy , Sanders and Welch , "The DC THREE " , it seems the national scene draws more lobbyists and persuasive donations for them than representing the constituencies , McCain was no different and often voted more like a DC demobrat .
Yes, the ONLY time the media or the left said anything, ANYTHING positive about McCain is in his sickness and death , Like the hypocrites right here in these forums . Hypocrites ,B.S. professionals each and every one .
Back to the main point ' Democrats have never had any respect for the heros of war like Sen. John McCain EXCEPT using the "Adopt -A -Hero" for political purposes . John Kerry , another name from the past , may well run for President in 2020 . Watch in 2018 as his name is offered up by democrats for campaigning ,
Instantly John Kerry will be one more veteran to serve that purpose . Just like at any animal shelter , every abandoned cat becomes an adorable pet for the election cycle .
Adopt- a -Hero
If Dems never had any respect then why did they nominate the likes of John Kerry to begin with.
So. basically, your stating Democrats should never elect veterans because it's automatically disingenuous somehow for them to do so. What about Republicans who supported Trump after his statements about McCain...how can they vote for veterans?
It seems you made an argument to exclude all veterans from political positions. Odd.
You are looking at my point in reverse , I am criticizing Democrats for adopting hero's to suit their ideological benefits not at critique the veteran for anything . Yet what have democrats done except subjugate one more minority population to partyism . While generally the opposite party supports veterans full time , not simply election-time .
It still seems you are stating Dems have no right to elect veterans..if so, then Trump supporters have no right to elect veterans due to their disrespect of McCain
.I support vets always. I served, my grand dad was a WWII vet, my stepdad Vietnam, etc.so I have no right to vote for vets cause I have voted Democrat in the past?
Also,do many Trump supporter sreally support vets, or only the one's Trump tells them it's ok to support? Thus, you made a case that no one has the right to vote for veterans.
Where did I say no one can vote or elect veterans ?
Please show me that . I said Democrats play adopt a hero and you get that I say no one can elect a vet ?
Stop twisting my meanings .
I explained the logic you presented. I don't think that's what you wanted to present, but it was the end result. No one has the right to vote for veterans because it's a disingenuous vote. You said as much when referring to Dems and John Kerry...so we can apply the same logic to Trumpians and John McCain. Vets don't make the cut unless Trump says they do.
Except ,.....That's kind of like me saying "I hate liberal politicians " and you deciding that what I'm really saying whether I like or not is "let's kill all liberal politicians ".
Catch up dude .
No, Not at all. You are stating liberals have no right to vote for a vet because it's fake. I apply the same logic to Trump supporters using what they say about McCain, and um, no one has the right to vote for vets. I see you will not understand though, so till we meet again.
No , I don't care WHO liberals vote for , you have your own responsibility to rebuild a dead party , WHAT I AM saying is you adopt hero's for ideological purposes only !
Whats so hard to comprehend there ?
What is your schtick, Horse? Trump has attacked McCain outside the realm of politics but at the heart of his courage and sacrifice and made light of it. ANYONE of any decency from either side of the ideological divide would consider this a foul.
So, if we are adopting fairness, decency and common sense, then I, the left and Democrats are guilty.
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