Who will become the face of the Democratic Party in 2020?

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  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
    Ken Burgessposted 10 months ago

    A serious question, posed more to those who identify as Democrats.  I would really like to know who you believe will come forth with a message of unification, prosperity, and a positive outlook toward the future... someone mainstream Americans could believe in.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      I would like to think someone would come forth who presents a platform, a political agenda that people could get behind.

      Something more than 'vote for me if you hate Trump', or 'vote for me because I will protect abortion/illegal immigrants/choose-your-minority-group'.

      I believe that many mainstream Americans will have grown tired of Trump by 2020.  Don't mistake me, I don't think they are falling for CNN's alternate reality reporting, I don't think the majority are gullible enough to believe any of the Russian tripe, or the Racist rants, I just don't think that impacts the majority... you have to be on the far left to lend any of that garbage credibility, or waste any of your time worrying about it.

      But I do think the majority will be tired of the constant battling and bickering, the constant tweeting and ego-stroking, to be willing to consider someone who comes along and presents a more mild mannered, thoughtful, and intelligent persona.

      It could be someone of Hispanic descent, it could be someone with little political background/experience, but it has to be someone with charisma, and a positive message that people will be drawn to.

      Yes Trump took mud-slinging and hard-hitting to new levels no one living had seen in American politics, and that was what worked for that moment in time in America.  I believe America will be looking for something different in 2020... but I have yet to see anyone who will be in the running in 2020 that I think can deliver it for the Democrats.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … 0-ranked-3

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        It is interesting that Beto O'Rourke is not mentioned in the article, or did I miss it?

        I personally have no preconceived notion of who would best serve as President or who might rise to the top. There are several I could get behind, but sometimes how they handle themselves during the rigors of campaigning can be revealing and change my opinion. Also, a candidate's ability to select excellent staff and run an efficient, well-oiled campaign can be indicative of leadership ability and good decision making..

        Let's face it, the policy differences won't be that dramatic among most of them, so I will be looking for character, poise, intelligence, compassion, common sense, vigor, and ability to lead and inspire.

        Those qualities will be revealed as we learn more about them. I do like my Oregon Senator Jeff Merkley, but I would not describe him as charismatic.

        Senator Jeff Merkley, a Quiet Stalwart of the Left, Has a Breakout Moment at the Border

        1. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this



          I have not seen him mentioned in any of the recent potential Dem candidate articles I have read, or Gillum for that matter.

          I know both were heavily funded by billionaires that hoped their charisma and D.C. outsider qualities could fast track them to the 2020 Presidential election... but as they both lost their elections I'm skeptical that they can get the backing to take a shot at it.



          I fully support that, and to my mind that is not Clinton or Biden or any of the lifer D.C. politicians the DNC seems to want to wheel out again for another go at it.

          I would at least like an option to consider, an alternative to contemplate, not some archaic corrupt politician that has nothing to offer us but more divisiveness and lies.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            I think everyone desires that, except for those who profit from the corruption and divisiveness.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

          "Let's face it, the policy differences won't be that dramatic among most of them, so I will be looking for character, poise, intelligence, compassion, common sense, vigor, and ability to lead and inspire."

          I found this statement interesting. You did not mention an interest in what a candidate offered in the way of agenda?

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, their agenda matters, but generally speaking, Democratic candidates' agendas are usually not that far apart from each other. That is why I said, "Let's face it, the policy differences won't be that dramatic. " When it was Obama versus Clinton, for example, the policy differences were minimal. The differences were greater with Bernie versus Clinton, but still pretty close in most major areas.

      2. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

        What gets me about you, Ken, is that if we don't all buy into the conservative, right wing dogma, we are thus being deceived by the entirety  of mass media?

        Since you are not on the receiving end of Trump's race baiting and rants, it is irrelevant to you, but that perspective is not held univerasally and that will hurt Trump in the future.

        You are right that a more congenial candidate will need to replace Trump if anything in Washington is ever to be accomplished. Someone who can work both sides of the isle and master the art of compromise in a way beyond mere "lip service" is desperately needed.

        Political realities change like the weather, out of relative nowhere came Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama. I know which direction I want to see the Dems move in, as to who will take up mantle could well be a surprise to us all.

        Trump has hurt the Republican Party and the Brand. Both style and substance are important in the real political world.

    2. crankalicious profile image91
      crankaliciousposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Ken,

      An excellent question. I'd like to think that the Democrats could find somebody who was fiscally conservative, but socially liberal, and could appeal to working class white males in some way (rather than alienating them by attempting to corral the Latino vote and the female vote).

      Do I think the current Democratic Party can pull this off? I do not. I have zero faith that the current powers-that-be have any clue. Now, what is the cause of this? As you point out: money. I'm not sure we're ever going to get the politicians we want because they're all bought and paid for by somebody. There are a few, I think, like Bernie Sanders, who try to keep their support dollars clean, but it's tough for them to break through the system.

      I strongly suspect that, like Trump, somebody will emerge from outside the Democratic Party system who we haven't heard of yet.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        I think there is a grave misconception that an outsider can change the system. Short of a revolution, change must come from within. Campaign finance reform is a must. If we don't find a way to get big money out of politics, nothing of great substance will change. We must demand our legislators, who work for us, do something about money in politics.

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          Good luck with that!  When those same legislators are there specifically for the money rather than for the country or its people, you're going to have a tough row to how to get the money out of politics.

          1. crankalicious profile image91
            crankaliciousposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            I agree. An almost impossible task. However, wouldn't it be something both Democrats and Republicans could agree on? Somehow limit money in politics?

            Or is that a infringement on free speech?

    3. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Well, Ken, that depends on what you believe is mainstream. Your concept of "mainstream" does not mesh with mine. Trump for me is an abomination, but for you and other conservatives, he is "mainstream"?

      Trump anything other than unification and prosperity, what we see that is passing as "prosperity" is just "smoke and mirrors" for now.

      I am tired of the "establishment" Dems that are part of the machine I.e, Clinton or Biden. I support people like Liz Warren or Beto O'Rourke.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        Follow the money Credence.  Liz Warren and Beto O'Rourke are just puppets of those pulling the strings.

        I believe you have gone so far down the rabbit hole proffered to you by the likes of CNN and MSNBC that any type of factual evidence that goes against their tripe and propaganda you would brush off as 'alt-right' or 'Trumpian'.   

        You have succumbed to the 'if they ain't with us, they're against us' mindset, but that's OK, because I see what is occurring in other countries, as well as track what is going on in this one (I don't rely on our MSM which keeps us blind to most things).

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RncVMTQswYA

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDNq4yxEesc

        Revolution is coming, to several countries, which foreshadow what will occur here, only here in America the population is armed to the teeth.

    4. crowsnest profile image60
      crowsnestposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      I don't identify as a Democrat, but I think Democrats would be smart to get behind Beto. I don't believe Warren has a chance at this point to defeat Trump in 2020.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

        Crowsnest, I stick with Warren as the balance between the 'old guard' i.e., Clinton and Biden and the new populist Left that I prefer the party to move in, i.e Bernie Sanders. She has the experience, speaking out for progressive values over many years and has been tested. Having impeccable credentials and an uncompromising style, that is what is needed to play hard ball in the Era of Trump. Beto has the right stuff, but I need more heft at this moment to defeat the Rightwinger and all his minions.

    5. paradigmsearch profile image87
      paradigmsearchposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      In all seriousness, find out who President Obama approves/likes. Whoever he endorses, that's the person.

      I don't identify with any political party, but I'm hoping a sincere response is ok anyway. smile

      1. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        I don't think Obama has much say in the matter, to tell the truth.

        I think Billionaires who will fund the campaign efforts, people like Soros and Steyer who are incredibly active in American politics and pour hundreds of millions into elections are the ones who will decide.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          Which billionaires decided on Trump?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Trump did of course, he was largely self funded, with some grass roots donations, until the RNC had no choice but to get behind (to the degree that they did) his nomination and allow him access to the troth.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

              Okay, so you acknowledge that the people still can choose their own presidential candidate, despite the wishes of big money donors?

              1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                If you will acknowledge that politicians like Gillum and O'Rourke would not achieve more than town/county level recognition without someone like Soros, funding their campaigns with millions of dollars.

                And when you dance with the devil, and take his treasure, he owns your soul (or in this situation, all the big decisions you make politically).

                If so, then I can agree people still can choose their own presidential candidate, from the ones who are funded and able to run.

                1. crankalicious profile image91
                  crankaliciousposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  Isn't that how our system works on both sides? You're either taking money from Soros or from the Koch brothers, right?

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                    Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                    And in Trump's case, he took money from neither, both Koch and Soros directed funding to those running against his campaign.

                    It was a rare occurrence in our more recent National history for sure, I don't expect it will be repeated in our lifetimes.  Where someone who has enough wealth funds his own campaign, and has the personality and wit to garner enough votes to get elected.

                    He is a legitimate outsider, he is not beholden to either Soros or Koch, or any lobbying party.  He is not beholden to either party, or anyone in them.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  It works that way on both sides.  That's why we need campaign finance reform, unless you believe buying candidates is a form of free speech.

    6. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      To my best guess, there are some 30 candidates wanting to run in 2020 including a few on the Republican side to challenge Trump.
      To me, so far, I think Jon Stewart is right. No one will be able to beat Trump.
      To take on Trump, you need an unusual candidate, one with star power, name recognition, a thick skin, and a big ego...comes to think of it, you need another Trump.

    7. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I don't see any viable Democratic presidential candidates for 2020.  The Democratic Party has gone the way of the Leftist-Socialist-Communist Party, Ken.  The Democratic Party has DEVOLVED into the nanny state, let the government pay all your way party.  It isn't the party of winners but of losers who are content to stay that way-UNFORTUNATELY!   I feel that there are many Democrats who are either going to vote Republican or become actual Republicans.

      1. Valeant profile image94
        Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        You know us about as well as our claim that the Republican Party will soon be speaking Russian.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          On the contrary, I know your party well having been an observer for over 40 years. Your party has moved so far from JFK, he would not be welcomed in the modern Democratic party. That is saying a lot.

          By the way, I voted for Carter, and Clinton 1st term.

          1. gmwilliams profile image82
            gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            +10000000000000000000000000000, Jack!

    8. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

      My money is on Joe Biden or Kamala  Harris.   I mean Harris would bring a huge base from California. Biden could harness Dem's that are disillusioned by the influx of far left socialist.  It will be interesting to watch them all scammer in different directions to try to be the chosen nominee.

  2. abwilliams profile image35
    abwilliamsposted 10 months ago

    I guess the Dems, which seem to be well represented here at HP, can’t think of a single one Ken.
    At this point, I do not think the Dems need to find a candidate who can deliver, they’ll just need to find someone willing to be the face of the Democratic Party and the Party will take it from there, they’ll deliver!

    Maybe you will get some feedback now.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      My four-paragraph response does not constitute feedback? That's a new one.

    2. Valeant profile image94
      Valeantposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Actually, the Dems here like myself, have just chosen to block the far-right conspiracy theorists like Ken that refuse to accept the mounting evidence of Trump's crimes committed to get elected.  So these posts just don't show up on our feed.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        Wow... I'm a far right conspiracy theorist?

        Shows how tight those blinders have gotten on far-left progressives  when they are labeling me with that.

        As I told Credence in this thread, you have fully bought into "if you aren't with us, then you are against us" mantra, if you don't buy into the 'progressive' propaganda, then you are the enemy.  The current 'Dems' of today don't respect any opinion, or any person, not onboard with their group-think.

        If we had Clinton as President right now, and had continued on track with TPP, the Paris Accord, taxation of those who could not afford ACA insurance, etc. then this would be us (only worse):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovmLNM-HN5E

        Maybe we would have been better off with that after all.

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
          JAKE Earthshineposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          In case you haven't noticed Ken, there are many 'alt-right wing conspiracy theorists' on HubPages and they will jeopardize this sites very existence because this type of delusional, non-fact based craziness is no longer tolerated by the masses:

        2. Valeant profile image94
          Valeantposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          The 'if you aren't with us, you're against us' mantra is being spewed daily from the White House.  Talk about having blinders on to be able to ignore that message.  This is not a president for the people, but a president for his base only.  So, pardon us Dems if we are tired of the regurgitation of White House propaganda and lying we see here at Hubpages.

          If we're comparing France to the US, considering it's a Democratic policy to tax the rich at higher rates, perhaps it would have been a large group of millionaires out in the streets rioting.  In case you haven't noticed, now that Trump's policies are taking hold, the stock market is having its worst year since the 2008 crash, farmers needed a 12 billion dollar bailout thanks to tariffs, unemployment numbers that had been going down since Obama was president have finally gone as low as they are going to, to prove that point - job gains are down on average 13% per month since Obama left office.

          So, in actual reality, the stability and constant growth in the markets you see under a Democratic president are now gone thanks to the stable genius.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            "This is not a president for the people, but a president for his base only.  "

            Sounds like you're trying to say that because Trump does not embrace the failed policies and agendas of the left he isn't for "the people".  You insist he follow your wants and desires rather than his own or that of anyone else; in that manner only can he be "for the people".

            Yes?

            1. Valeant profile image94
              Valeantposted 10 months agoin reply to this

              Not trying to say that at all, actually.  And how does stability in the markets and constant growth equate to failed policies exactly?  How does tripling the stock market equate exactly?  How does a net decline in the undocumented immigrant population by one million, including the deportation of criminals as a priority equate to failed policies.

              The only failure here is to do some independent research to know that the propaganda you're being fed is lies and that the problems of this country are borne of both parties, not just the party Trump is not a part of.

              Your reply exacerbates why many of us lend no credence to what you guys are saying.  It's all just a blame game for your party.  When you can take some ownership of the problems, considering you had control of all three branches of government for two years, that'd be great.  Hate crimes up.  Gas prices up.  Deficit up.  Damage the environment way up.  Health care costs up.  Own it.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                "Not trying to say that at all, actually."

                Then what are you saying when you complain he is only for his base rather than "the people"?

            2. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

              It's interesting what you choose to address from Valeant's post. Trump has never been the people's President; the majority of voters didn't want him, and even more disapprove of him after watching his incompetence for two years.

              His policies are taking effect, and as Valeant pointed out, the improving Obama economy is now a declining Trump economy.

              I'm not too worried, though, as I expect him to be gone after the 2020  election, if not sooner. "Individual 1" is a short-timer.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                My comment was along the lines of massive partisanship; "If you aren't doing what I think should be done you aren't for the people at all.  Only when one embraces the left (or the right, depending on who is speaking) are you for 'the people'."

              2. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this



                It is a sentiment I would be likely to agree with except for a couple things.

                First, if all they have to bring out to replace Trump is Clinton or Biden or any of the other lifelong corrupt D.C. hacks, then no... clearly if the DNC thinks people will want that type of politician they fail to understand what people saw in the likes of Bernie and Trump, and will lose again, even to Trump.

                Secondly, if these fools (Pelosi, Waters, etc.) do spend the next two years dragging America through more investigations, impeachment proceedings, and just being as idiotic and obstructionist as they can be, then Trump is a lock to be re-elected.

                And I really think, as ignorant as you feel Trump is, Pelosi, Waters and the rest of those imbeciles will prove up to the challenge of being even more idiotic than Trump, making him look good in comparison.

                1. crankalicious profile image91
                  crankaliciousposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  Ken, I kind of think you're a kook on a lot of things and imagine you in a tin foil hat, but I generally agree with the above statement. People are clamoring for people who will tell the truth and buck the system and if the Dems just offer up somebody safe, born of party politics, they are likely to lose.

                  Unless Trump is in jail, which seems increasingly likely.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                    Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                    I would say that anyone who thinks I am a "kook" or wearing a "tinfoil hat" merely doesn't have the perception, experiences, and/or capability to see the bigger picture(s).

                    I understand that those who cannot grasp the larger implications of the occurrences around us, or who have a very limited scope of experience and wisdom, would have difficulty with some of the larger more in depth analysis and discussions I engage in.

                    And as arrogant and condescending as that may appear, it is not intended to be.  There are people far more intelligent and with greater knowledge of these matters than I, I do not mean to suggest otherwise.  But equally there are those that are that much less informed and well traveled.

                    Today's issues revolve around whether or not we are going to continue with nation states. Whether America will actually be ruled by the Constitution, by the Bill of Rights, or whether it is going to be superseded by International Law (the UN, WB, IMF), unelected and unresponsive aristocratic elites.

                    What is in store for America we can see transpiring in the EU, where unelected officials control the EU, and could care less about the wants or needs of the various 'national' populations.  We can see hundreds of thousands rioting against this type of rule in France, been going on for weeks now, not that our own media gives it much attention.

                    This is the bottom line of the difference between 'conservatism' and 'progressive' movements today... whether those who are choosing sides understand it or not... we are in a battle between globalists and nationalists, between open borders and controlled borders, between keeping what you earn or the government controlling everything and anything in your life.

                    These general but encompassing differences, may be masked by smaller more specific issues be they LGBTQ or Abortion, ultimately they are not the major issues, they are just wedge issues used to push people into supporting what will ultimately be either their enslavement to an unstoppable, uncontrollable International force lorded over by the infinitely wealthy and powerful... or the continued existence of America as a Sovereign state.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  "First, if all they have to bring out to replace Trump is Clinton or Biden or any of the other lifelong corrupt D.C. hacks, then no... clearly if the DNC thinks people will want that type of politician they fail to understand what people saw in the likes of Bernie and Trump, and will lose again, even to Trump. "

                  Well, let's not forget that, ultimately, the voters choose the candidate who rises to the top. (Trump, anyone?) And if there is one good result from the Trump presidency, it's that it energized the opposition. If younger voters and women turn out in greater numbers like they did in the midterms, then the chances of ending up with Biden are pretty slim.

                  "Secondly, if these fools (Pelosi, Waters, etc.) do spend the next two years dragging America through more investigations, impeachment proceedings, and just being as idiotic and obstructionist as they can be, then Trump is a lock to be re-elected."

                  I hate to break it to you, but most voters wanted a check on Trump, and that was a big factor in the success of Dems in the midterms. I can almost guarantee there will be no impeachment proceedings unless the Republicans are on board. As for investigations, the people spoke and elections have consequences. We expect our legislators to hold this corrupt administration accountable.

                  "And I really think, as ignorant as you feel Trump is, Pelosi, Waters and the rest of those imbeciles will prove up to the challenge of being even more idiotic than Trump, making him look good in comparison."

                  We'll see, won't we? One of the three will be gone by 2020 and I don't think it will be Pelosi or Waters. Pelosi is smart and skilled in the machinations of politics, just like wily old Mitch McConnell. I'm not saying I like it that wily political savvy is a necessary quality for a party leader but, right now, all many of us Americans want is to rid ourselves of this embarrassing, corrupt, incompetent administration.

          2. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this



            See, this (above) right here is what I call propaganda, it falls under the 'tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth'.

            You may actually be brainwashed into believing that to be true, but it is demonstratively false, the ACA (obamacare) tax alone proves this.  The ACA did nothing if not make it easier for insurance and big pharma corporations get richer at middle and lower income persons expense.

            And how exactly is taxing those who could not afford to pay for health insurance for NOT having health insurance actually a tax on the rich?

            Hmmm... the rich can afford their own private insurance, so they don't need to deal with the ACA at all, they don't need to worry about preconditions, and they don't need to worry about paying a tax for not having insurance.

            Boy those Democrats sure showed the Republicans how to stick it to the rich with that ACA... mmm hmmm... man the Insurance and Medical Industries never made so much money, they are richer than ever... but those poor working stiffs got shafted with Insurance that covered nothing AND a new Tax!!!



            There is a provable correlation between Trump taking office and the economy going into overdrive. But I know no amount of facts will dissuade you from your propaganda fed delusions.  For everyone else, it is clear that nothing, not the stock market, not hiring, was energized until Obama was out and it was clear Clinton wasn't following in his footsteps.

            Wages have gone up, unemployment is down.  What will impact that now are the trade wars, the Democratic House, the international efforts to stem Trump's efforts and progress, etc.

            But if you think this booming economy is bad... you have no clue what is going on in the rest of the world.  Not only are they rioting in France and Germany, but China's stock market has fallen to HALF where it was a year ago, compared to any other nation, we are exceptionally well off economically.

            Only those with blinders on do not realize our economy is doing better than it has in decades, and far better than any other nation in the world right now.

  3. abwilliams profile image35
    abwilliamsposted 10 months ago

    For some reason, it did not show up in my feed until now PP, my apologies.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      No worries. I was a bit perplexed. smile

  4. abwilliams profile image35
    abwilliamsposted 10 months ago

    Carry on. smile

  5. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 10 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14318884.jpg

    Found the face.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah, he was THE major supporter of O'Rourke and Gillum.

      I watch what is going on now in France, and I wonder if that is exactly where America would have been (or worse) if Clinton had won, with the ACA taxes, additional taxes placed on fuel for the Paris Accord agreement, the regulations left in place from Obama that were forcing companies to flee the country, the TPP, etc. etc.

      https://www.wsj.com/video/frances-yello … 8377C.html

      Instead of having record low unemployment, wage increases, and lower than ever gas prices (paid just $2.03 for gas the other day) we would be heading fast into another recession, brought on by criminally negligent and corrupt politicians with the worst of them in the White House.

      We dodged that bullet, but who knows how long this upswing can last now that the Democrats have gained control of the House.

  6. Onusonus profile image77
    Onusonusposted 10 months ago

    I heard Creepy Joe is about all they can muster at the moment.
    https://www.insideedition.com/sites/default/files/styles/931x523/public/images/2015-02/9746.jpg?itok=iKBHsDd_

    1. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Its incredible how someone like that can show his perversions right in public and get away with it.



      https://hubstatic.com/14320419.jpg

      1. Onusonus profile image77
        Onusonusposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        Well it is the same party that made Hillary their front runner during the last election cycle.

        But lets not forget that the Republicans are the party of old white men. lol

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

          "But lets not forget that the Republicans are the party of old white men"

          Right, LET'S NOT........

          1. Onusonus profile image77
            Onusonusposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Democrats always seem to miss the irony in that one.

      2. crankalicious profile image91
        crankaliciousposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        I find it beyond amazing that President Trump talks about grabbing pu**y, walks in on teenagers as they undress during pageants, has evidently had sex with at least one porn star and one Playboy playmate while married, and paid both of those women to keep quiet (and I won't even mention getting urinated on in Russia), but he's the hero and Joe Biden is the one with the problem? What precisely has Joe Biden ever been accused of and or prosecuted for?

  7. hard sun profile image89
    hard sunposted 10 months ago

    Has anyone mentioned Jay Inslee? He was a pioneer in thinking like the "Green New Deal" proposed by Ocasio-Cortez.  Also, Washington State seems in decent shape. I just visited last year, and the area I grew up is booming.

    Also, I hate to say this because it's identity politics at its core, but I think Dems must have a white man to win as President the next go around. I just think a decent portion of Americans see any liberal who is not a white man as a representation of an ideology as opposed to someone to vote for or truly help the country. Yes, it's racism and misogyny, but it's also the extremism coming from the left that seems to advocate nothing but a minority or woman will do.

    Of course, O'rourk is running well in Democratic polling also. I'm not as big on him as some are, just from watching a couple short speeches, but I still don't know too much about him.

  8. jackclee lm profile image81
    jackclee lmposted 8 months ago

    Bruce Springsteen the Boss also agree...

  9. gmwilliams profile image82
    gmwilliamsposted 8 months ago

    The Democratic Party will lose its more Centrist, Moderate, & even traditional Liberal base.  They will also lose the middle class.  The middle class is bearing the brunt of the taxes & expenses.   Many of the middle class are being priced out of ACA.  They have to pay the taxes to maintain many social programs geared for the poor.   The ACA was instituted for the poor & impoverished.  It wasn't intended for the middle class.  The Democrats couldn't care one iota about the middle class.  In fact, they want to tax the middle class into oblivion despite their lame protestations that they are for the middle class.  Liars.....liars.   The Democratic Party LOVES the poor, powerless, & downtrodden because those are when they get their power from.   The Democratic Party has NO USE for the middle class unless it is to TAX them for their inane, insipid social programs.

    1. Valeant profile image94
      Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Is that why they are the only party that consistently wants higher taxes for higher earners and less taxes for the middle class and poor?  Take your brainwashed hate somewhere else please.

      1. gmwilliams profile image82
        gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        C,mon, Valeant.  The Democratic Party only cares for the lower class.  They want lower income & other downtrodden people because that is where they get THEIR POWER.  The Democratic Party could care less about the middle class.  It is the middle class who bear the brunt of Democratic policies through taxes for their stupid social programs.   The Democratic Party is the party for the poor & those who can't/refuse to help themselves!

        1. Valeant profile image94
          Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Heard your lies the first time.  Saying them again doesn't make them any more true.  But I do love when some far right wing conspiracy-believing individual tries to narrate the beliefs of others.

          1. gmwilliams profile image82
            gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I am far from right-wing, sir.   I am just discerningly analytical.  By the way, I am a Democrat.   I have seen what the Democratic Party has done over the years & it ISN'T PRETTY AT ALL.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              So true, The Republicans were all for Civil Rights laws despite the Dems fighting it all the way!  roll

            2. Valeant profile image94
              Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Trust me, you are no longer a Democrat.  You about as right wing as they get these days.  Deal with it.  But if you're going to misunderstand the party, don't expect us to sit back while you spew your falsehoods.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I wish she'd stop claiming to be a Democrat as it embarrasses those of us who actually are.

              2. gmwilliams profile image82
                gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Democrats aren't monolithic.  There are all types of Democrats as there are ALL TYPES of Republicans.  Let's get REAL here & go beyond stereotypes.  I don't fit into stereotypes.  I am a Democrat but a discerning.  I am an independent thinker- I don't blindly follow any party line.  Remember, this is the United States!

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  So how did you determine you were a democrat then? What criteria did you use?

            3. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 8 months agoin reply to this

              How could YOU be a Democrat with this vitriol of yours and your endless criticism of the party and its values? If there is nothing good about the Democrats, then why do you remain one? Why not embrace the Republicans with open arms, you advocate for their every political posture, anyway? Your right wing stand on virtually everything supercede any moderation you claim regarding cultural issues. All this stuff about analysis and discernment as a Democrat is all a bunch of huey.

              So who and what are YOU, really, Grace?

              1. gmwilliams profile image82
                gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Geez people,  I am a Democrat who has an UNMITIGATED RIGHT to critique the utter leftist stupidity of certain policies of the party.  As an American, there is FREEDOM of thought & speech. Again, people, Democrats aren't monoliths.  You all aren't God.  NO ONE is going to dictate to me as to how to believe & think as a Democrat.  If I see something wrong w/the party, I WILL CRITICIZE IT! CASE CLOSED!   And you all call Conservatives narrow?   People who live in glass houses SHOULDN'T throw stones...….hmmmmm………...Such children.   Again, to reiterate there are DIFFERENT TYPES of Democrats- traditional, liberal, moderate, & centrist as there are Republicans- liberal, traditional, & conservatives.  I am a Liberal Democrat but I am not a...….LEFTIST nor SOCIALIST which is what the current Democratic Party is DEVOLVING them.  I don't appreciate being bullied by people who believe that Democrats should be monolithic. You have a right to your beliefs & I have a right to mine!

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  +100000000 I respect your independence and standing up for yourself. Hope more Democrats will do the same and take back your party.

                  1. gmwilliams profile image82
                    gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Hell yes, Jack.  Hell yes, I refuse to be a typical Democratic sheeple who parrot policies I know are stupid & futile.  I was raise to be independent & think for myself.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Of course you have a right to your beliefs and party affiliation. We are just wondering why you choose to be  a Democrat if you find them so repulsive?

                  My husband changed party affiliation from Republican to Democrat after witnessing the spineless capitulation of Republican legislators to Trump's lying and corruption.

                  What do you stand for along with the Democrat party?

  10. Onusonus profile image77
    Onusonusposted 8 months ago

    Ah, I found it, the new face of the Democratic party...
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50981726_1022597251279643_4412484305662509056_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=626d5055dc1458a2f0da5ec4ef5c8c93&oe=5CF4BB66

    1. Valeant profile image94
      Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      We do love your party's new logo...

      https://hubstatic.com/14391556.jpg

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Valiant, you are going off the deep end my friend. Did you take your meds?
        What could lead you to believe this?
        Did you get a message from Mars?

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image76
          JAKE Earthshineposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Maybe Valeant got the NEW Russian Compliant Republican "GOP Logo" from Bozo Trump who is a certified communist Vladimir Putin appeaser:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Xw0_2eMJg

        2. Valeant profile image94
          Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Jack, first off, learn to spell.  My handle is Valeant.  For someone who claims to be an educated man, you should be able to read.

          Second, if you cannot understand how that logo came to fruition based on the Russians assisting that party's candidate to become elected to the highest office in the land, you should stop claiming to be an educated man.

          Third, I don't find any humor in intimating someone has mental health issues.  In fact, I find it highly offensive.  You're going to want to avoid engaging me on here because I'm going to rip you a new one every time you do.  Every. Single. Time.

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Valeant, I apologize for getting your name wrong. That is as far as I will go.
            Your other coments are childish. What are you going to do?
            You are here as I, as free will, willing to discuss political topics. We can disagree or not. It is the civilized way. You can take offense to anything I say. I don’t really care one way or the other. If you can’t take the heat...
            As far as my education, I don’t make any claims. My degrees are for all to see. My accomplishments are also in the public records. I hold several patents and written numerous technical publications.
            You and I have little in common.

            1. Readmikenow profile image95
              Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Jack,

              Here are some words of wisdom from Thomas Sowell


              https://hubstatic.com/14392623.jpg

              1. gmwilliams profile image82
                gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                +1000000000000, that SUCCINCTLY sums it up.

            2. Valeant profile image94
              Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Sure, we can discuss political topics.  I have no problem with that.  When you think your education in the technical field makes you a specialist in politics or psychology, you just look the fool.  I don't go around accusing people of needing meds or having some fabricated right-wing disorder because I have not studied medicine.  I have, however, studied politics and most know I tend to back up arguments with facts.

              But when you get to the point where people close to you have taken their own lives due to mental health issues, you won't find it to be a joking matter.  An educated man, one with people skills and not technical skill, might realize this.

              1. jackclee lm profile image81
                jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I have been carrying the most restraint on this forum and others. Despite of attacks and insults hurled my way by others.
                I try to argue my points with logic, common sense and facts. That is what conservative try to do in general. We do not rule on emotions.

                When you make some outrageous remarks, how should I answer it?

                The meds comment just came out and it was in jest.
                I will not apologize for something I had no intention of hurting you or your family members.
                If you are so sensitive, perhaps you shouldn’t be engaging in these debates.

                1. Valeant profile image94
                  Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  There wasn't anything outrageous about that photo.  It is rooted in well-proven facts that the Russians ran an influence campaign to assist the GOP candidate, and since being favored that GOP candidate has acted in a way that favors said country (changing GOP platform to favor Russia in Ukraine, rescinding sanctions on Russian oligarchs, refusing to implement Congress-approved sanctions on said country) and numerous aides are going to jail about lying about their contacts with said country during the campaign.  If you just wanted to take a shot at me, own it.  But my suggestion was, to avoid us both getting banned, was to avoid each other.

                  As for the mental health issue, I'm sensitive to it because I interact with it daily in my career field and it's not something you joke about because of the real-world consequences.  There could be a variety of reasons to why you are insensitive to that fact, but I won't speculate as psychoanalyzing each other is not in either of our educational backgrounds.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image81
                    jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Fine, we can leave it at that, I will be more sensitive to that in the future.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        lol This may be closer to the truth than we realize!

      3. Onusonus profile image77
        Onusonusposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I'm not a Republican.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          True, no one knows exactly what you are, Onus. But if it quacks like a duck....

          Or in your case. ducks like a quack.... tongue

          1. Onusonus profile image77
            Onusonusposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Sure, because the only party that disagrees with Democrats are Republicans. Might want to check it out but last time I checked there were a few other parties out there.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Another good duck...

  11. Valeant profile image94
    Valeantposted 8 months ago

    On a lighter note, however...

    https://hubstatic.com/14392959.jpg

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Good one!

 
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