What will the 2019 Trump Court do to American Civil Liberties?

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  1. My Esoteric profile image89
    My Esotericposted 8 months ago

    With the addition of Justice Kavanaugh, the make-up of the Court is similar in temperament as the one that existed between 1840 and 1929.  That Court destroyed American Civil Liberties then, and this Court will do the same. 

    So let's see how the previous conservative Court ruled:

    * Prigg v. Pennsylvania, 41 U.S. 539 (1842) - Upheld right to own another person

    * Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857) - Declared "No Slave can ever be a citizen of the United States"

    * United States v. Reese, 92 U.S. 214 (1876) - Effectively repealed the 15th Amendment which allowed blacks the right to vote.  The Robert's Court has begun the process of reversing the Voting Rights Act of 1965

    *  Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S. 3 (1883) - A set of five cases that overturned the Civil Rights Act of 1875 which provided for the enforcement of the 14th Amendment and effectively voided that Amendment.  A series of rulings from the conservative Rehnquist and Robert's courts are doing the same thing to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965.

    * PLESSY v. FERGUSON, 163 U.S. 537 (1896) - Ruled that "separate but equal" laws, e.g White's Only Bathrooms, does not discriminate against blacks.

    * HAMMER v DAGENHART, 247 U.S. 251, 38 S. Ct. 529, 62 L. Ed. 1101 (1918) - Ruled that Federal law against Child Labor used in interstate commerce does not trump State law that allows it

    * Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927) - Allowed States to use forced sterilization when the "gene pool" would be threatened by low IQ parents.

    In addition to civil and voting rights, other things are under assault with the conservative court of today.  For example,

    * A woman's right to choose

    * Gay rights

    * Taking money out of politics

    * Freedom from religion

    Assuming the two oldest liberal Justices live long enough to out last Donald Trump, it will be at least 12 years before it becomes likely that the oldest conservative justices may leave the bench.  That is a lot of time to move away from those ideals that define a great America.

    Further, Gorsuch promised Senator Collins that he believed in precedence - he lied as he has overturned it several times already.

    Brett Kavanaugh promised the same thing to Collins, but not to Senator Feinstein.  I think Collins was hoodwinked again.

    I believe this Court will return us to the bad old days of the 1890s, do you?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      You really think the confirmation of Kavanaugh is going to result in the disenfranchisement of the black vote?  That segregated bathrooms will return because of it?  That blacks will lose their citizenship and/or become slaves?  That children will be forced to work in sweat shops?

      You really need to get a grip, Eso!

      1. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        +++++++++++++++++++++

      2. MizBejabbers profile image92
        MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I don't think the things you named will come about, Wilderness, but I think that women will take some backsets and have to fight harder for their rights. I don't trust Kavanaugh to keep his promises to wishy-washy Collins. Why should he?

      3. My Esoteric profile image89
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Obviously no, that wasn't the point was it.  The point was that the conservative court will head us in that direction slowly chipping away at civil rights for everybody but white, males.  There is no question in my mind that women and minorities will suffer at the hands of this court ... they already have since the Rehnquist Court.

        Examples,

        Women can't bring a class action suit against employers for wage discrimination.

        It is now much more difficult for labor to organize and protect themselves from corporate abuse

        Blacks find it more difficult to vote in conservative states.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          "the conservative court will head us in that direction slowly chipping away at civil rights for everybody but white, males."

          And the difference between this and what I said is...what, just the length of time required to accomplish the goal?

          "Women can't bring a class action suit against employers for wage discrimination."

          But men can, so conservative courts are sexist?  I don't think so...

          "It is now much more difficult for labor to organize and protect themselves from corporate abuse"

          Sorry, I agree with the law.  Vicious abuse by labor unions had to be curtailed; companies can't simply quit and leave as workers can.

          "Blacks find it more difficult to vote in conservative states."

          Again, I must disagree with the implication that blacks are either too stupid to vote absentee or that they are too lazy to get to polling places, while at the same time whites are neither.  Requiring voter ID applies to ALL races, so it can't be that, either.

          1. My Esoteric profile image89
            My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            "But men can, so conservative courts are sexist? "  Not a good point to make, Wilderness, men don't have to, they get paid more than women doing the same job and conservatives want to keep it that way.

            In what world can people simply quit a job?  There are only a very few times in history where you can simply quit and go out and find another one. Get real Wilderness.  And historically, corporations have been much more viscous than any union ever though to be.  For every one bad action by a labor union, you can find five bad actions against labor by corporations.  Hell, it is going on today.  The economy has been growing steadily since 2011 and what has labor have to show for it? Almost nada.  As you said in another forum, wages have been stagnant.  But Salaries have not, they have grown astronomically.  This is even true now.  Theory says that with unemployment below 4.5%, wage inflation should be happening.  Why isn't it??

            Obviously you have read much about the conservative attempts to suppress minority voting.

            Your so-called "absentee ballot" is simply a red-hearing.  If you can't get a ballot, you can't vote absentee can you.

            Here are just seven of the many ways to suppress voting. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … oting-2016

            If you want, I can find you a dozen more articles and studies.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              "Not a good point to make, Wilderness, men don't have to, they get paid more than women doing the same job and conservatives want to keep it that way."

              Now that is just flat untrue; while there are employers that violate the law, overall women are paid within 2% of what men are paid for the same job. 

              It is true that the women of America earn less than men, but it is just as true that they do not head for the high paying jobs, either. 

              "In what world can people simply quit a job?"

              *shrug*  I did.  When I got sick of the manager put in, I "simply quit and went and found another one".  It required re-training and times were very tough for a few years, but I did it, moving across the country as I did.

              I realize that it is a popular myth that people can't quit the job they have.  Of course that means if they are laid off they won't be able to ever work again, and we know that isn't true, but the myth is alive and well.

              "But Salaries have not, they have grown astronomically."

              Sure they have.  That "astronomical" growth was one reason I left my job.

              "Theory says that with unemployment below 4.5%, wage inflation should be happening.  Why isn't it??"

              Not sure.  Could 10-20 million illegals be holding it down as they will work for peanuts?

              "Your so-called "absentee ballot" is simply a red-hearing.  If you can't get a ballot, you can't vote absentee can you." 

              Have you ever heard of the United States Postal Service?  They will mail you a ballot...if you but ask for one.  You DO have to take that terribly onerous step, though.

              I'm sorry, Eso, but your list of terrible, terrible voting practices aren't terrible at all.  Students voting with a valid student ID...while their permanent residence is in another state and they can vote there.  I don't have a problem with requiring citizenship proof to vote, or with requiring large groups submitting voter registrations to register. 

              In fact, not a single one of those was egregious, racist or party specific.  IMO.

        2. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Exactly,  My Esoteric.   The confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh is dangerous.  He expressed that he was anti-abortion.  He furthermore indicated that birth control pills are abortifacients.  This Conservative administration resulted in more curtailment of human & civil rights against Blacks, Latinos, women, & the LGBT community.

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            You seem sure of the "abortificients" claim GMwilliams. You have mentioned it before.

            Here is another perspective;

            "What Kavanaugh actually said is complicated. He was paraphrasing an argument made by the Catholic group Priests for Life in their suit against the Obama administration over the contraceptive mandate in the Affordable Care Act. Speaking of the form necessary to get a religious exemption from the mandate, Kavanaugh said, “they said filling out the form would make them complicit in the provision of the abortion-inducing drugs that they were, as a religious matter, objecting to.”
            Source Vox article: Kavanaugh’s description of birth control as “abortion-inducing drugs,” explained

            GA

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              I believe I've seen you post that same information twice.  Tough to kill the lies and spin when the speaker cares more about vilifying than about truth.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                yeah, and I even picked a Liberal-leaning source to promote.

                GA

        3. Readmikenow profile image98
          Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Once again no proof or evidence just a misunderstanding of facts and truth.

          I think I heard the theme from the Twilight Zone when I read this.

          Women can't bring a class action suit against employers for wage discrimination.

          It is now much more difficult for labor to organize and protect themselves from corporate abuse

          Blacks find it more difficult to vote in conservative states.

          I applaud your imagination.

          1. My Esoteric profile image89
            My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            You obviously don't follow the Supreme Court rulings do you.  So, no sense in educating you with facts you won't believe anyway.

            1. Readmikenow profile image98
              Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              All the Supreme Court ruling you cited the most recent was 1927.  Things have changed a bit since then.  I don't misinterpret and misrepresent the results of Supreme Court rulings.  I don't think I can say the same thing about you.

        4. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 8 months agoin reply to this



          I mean this in the most sincere way, please tell me what 'rights' are currently benefiting 'white males' that are exclusive to them?

          Are there laws enacted protecting them, or giving them special rights, that I do not know about?

          Are there special groups advocating for 'white males'... I know of organizations like the NAACP, and BLM... I know of NOW  and the AFO, there is the  EEOC and the EHO... many officially recognized or federal entities.

          Exactly what rights do 'white males' enjoy that are protected or recognized by our government and laws that benefits them only?

    2. MizBejabbers profile image92
      MizBejabbersposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I used to have a lot of respect for Collins, but I think she used this debacle for self-promotion. I think she had her mind made up in the beginning. There was no reason for her to make a public spectacle of herself by her on-again, off-again announcements, and then speak for 45 minutes in his defense. I wonder if this is a preliminary run for president. At one time, I might have considered voting for her as a presidential candidate, but not now.

      1. My Esoteric profile image89
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I am like you about Collins.  I suspect she won't be Maine's senator in 2020.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I must ask. Do you actually follow anything in regards to the accomplishments of this president? I know many are holding on to a bitterness due to losing the election. However, it might be time to really take time to check into some of the wonderful things that are happening in America. Many of us are grateful for change, and can't conceive why many are so bent out of shape... Take a breather, and look at what your party has really become and check out some of the positive things that are happening in our country.

      1. My Esoteric profile image89
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Actually, I do. He has accomplished several things, but almost all of them have been bad for American and regular Americans.  There are a few minor actions I thought were good, but none of his accomplishments.

        It isn't the number of accomplishments that make a good president, but the quality of them and how they enhanced 1) America's standing in the world, 2) America's economy, 3) liberty for ALL Americans, 4) make America proud, and 5) quality of living for Americans who earn less than $250,000/yr in a meaningful way. (Those that earn more don't need any help.)

        Name me one accomplishment that met any of those goals, let alone several of them.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Getting Kim to the discussion table.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

          He has met everyone and more? Not sure if you respect actual economic facts, and how president Trump has broken most barriers in regards to job grown lowest unemployment in 49 years,  the stock market has never seen these numbers, he certainly has made it better for American's that make below $250,00...The country is now seen a wage increase that we have not seen in over 10 years. People that could not get jobs now can...  America is worth 12 trillion more, a record-breaking number.  Liberty for all American's. He is the first president in my life that cares about all Americans, ad some don't realize that. Make American's proud. He makes many of us proud. Just to see what he does daily. Perhaps if you checked his itinerary daily you might see h cares about all American's. (he posts his daily itinerary daily on facebook). I myself am so impressed how he spreads himself so thin. He is a hands-on president. I so admire that. America's standing in the world. One can see he has made the world sit up and realize we will not be taken advantage of. It well appears many of our allies appreciate him. he is a man of strength, and putting America first. Which I think was long overdue. It is so funny how we completely disagree with the president. You have pointed out all the things I have given the president credit for doing.

          It' clear the country is very split. In the end, I am grateful for all of his accomplishments, and will not look forward to ever having a same old same old do nothing type president. He is the first president in my adult life I can truly say is keeping his agenda. Keeping to what he promised while campaigning.

          His accomplishments are great, there is no other president that has ever accomplished as much. I am very sure he will continue to break records, fix longtime problems, and get little credit for a segment of the population. Yet we all will be enjoying a better America.

          1. My Esoteric profile image89
            My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            "He has met everyone and more?" - ?

            "Not sure if you respect actual economic facts, " - Actually, I am a professional cost and economic analyst. What is your qualifications?

            "Trump has broken most barriers in regards to job grown lowest unemployment in 49 years, " - actually, if you look at the data, the unemployment figures are just a continuation of what Obama started. ALSO, the data shows that Obama did a much better job at getting people employed than Trump has.

            " the stock market has never seen these numbers, " - Yes, this is true. But, Obama could have done the same thing by increasing the national debt in order to give big corporations huge tax benefits.  If you look at the data, you will see the stock market take off once Trump promised to cut corporate taxes so they could do huge stock buy-backs and larger salaries for executives but very little for normal workers.  Aldo, while they did increase investment a little bit, it wasn't even close to what was expected of them.

            "he certainly has made it better for American's that make below $250,00..." - show how he significantly improved their economic lives.

            "The country is now seen a wage increase that we have not seen in over 10 years" - actually, while wages started increasing the last year of Obama's admin, they have not nearly increased as much as would be expected with such low unemployment rates.  WHY?

            "People that could not get jobs now can." - actually, Obama already did that, Trump is just riding on what he did.

            "America is worth 12 trillion more, a record-breaking number. " - Again, Trump is just riding on Obama's coattails.

            "Liberty for all American's. " - Ask Muslims and LGBTQ Americans if they think they have more liberty.  Ask women survivors who have come forward if they think being called EVIL by Trump feels like liberty.

            "He is the first president in my life that cares about all Americans" - Absolutely false! Every president before Trump cared more about Americans than he does.  He ONLY cares about his white, male core followers.  He doesn't even care much about you because you are a woman.

            "I so admire that. America's standing in the world. " - You need to read international news - they think Trump and America are a joke, a very dangerous joke. This is a 2017 study and, since Trump has been a serial insulter to ALL of our allies, it is worse now. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 … ees-trump/

            "One can see he has made the world sit up and realize we will not be taken advantage of. " - We have not been taken advantage of, most nations in the world feel the opposite is true.

            " I can truly say is keeping his agenda. " - yes, that is true and he will keep on doing it no matter how much it destroys America and the world.  (If you are on the younger side, you will see how badly Trump has hurt the world by 2035 - just a short 17 years away - because that is when experts say is the point of no return if the world doesn't drastically change its ways.  But Trump has already caused the US carbon footprint to increase again.

            "there is no other president that has ever accomplished as much. " - Actually, most modern presidents prior to Trump have had more major accomplishments in 18 months than Trump has.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Somehow I get the feeling you are an Obama fan, and a Trump hater. 

              Because everything Trump does that you find good you attribute to Obama - a man that could do no wrong as he drove America to be the pocketbook and laughing stock of the world.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image86
                Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

                So well said...

              2. My Esoteric profile image89
                My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I am an Obama fan because his policies, philosophies, and actions agree with what I think are good for America.  Further, he, like almost all presidents before him, had character that most American's respect and he didn't embarrass Americans on the world stage.

                I don't hate Trump, he is mentally ill, after all.  But I do find him a disgusting human being whose characteristics and demeanor are examples of what NOT to be.  His policies, by-and-large are, frankly, anti-American in nature.

                Your comment about Obama is only true in the mind of a small number of Obama-haters and Trump-acolytes.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Well, you started out pretty well: you are certainly welcome to your opinion that Obama's ruinous policies were good for the country.

                  Things feel apart quickly, though, when you claim your president is mentally ill; a claim that you have no right whatsoever to make and that makes anything else you have to say worthless as it reveals not only a tremendous bias but a decided lack of civility.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

              I have realized it is a waste of energy and time arguing with those that just don't share my opinion of the job Trump is doing.  I respect his accomplishments, and how hard he has worked to keep promises. It is very apparent the split in the country is here to stay. Those that think the way I do will vote for Trump once again in 2020. Just unwilling to give up the direction the country is heading.

              Those that oppose him will certainly become more disillusioned, and angry.  I very much doubt the Dems will see the inside of the WH for many years.  No matter how they try, they end up looking foolish, they lack the vision to move on. They hope to usher in socialism. They have nothing to offer...

              1. My Esoteric profile image89
                My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Good luck with that.

          2. Readmikenow profile image98
            Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee, I view your response as an island of reality in a ocean of distortion, misunderstanding of facts and oblivion to the truth.  Keep it going!

            1. My Esoteric profile image89
              My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Her, and your, response is to simply ignore the truth and believe in Trump's alternate reality where lies are truth and truth doesn't matter.

              You see, your side simply doesn't care that:

              * Trump constantly lies about almost anything
              * Trump is a sexual predator
              * Trump is dangerously mentally ill (at least in the opinion of psychiatrists and other expert mental health professionals - read (but I know you won't) "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" a well documented and well reasoned analysis of Trump"
              * Trump is a first class bully
              * Trump is ignorant of how the gov't works and he refuses to learn
              * Trump is a misogynist and calls women who speak out about sexual assault - Evil
              * Trump is a racist
              * Trump is ... oh, I'll just stop there.

              Fortunately, 80% of Americans now know this is true and will never vote for him again.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                "* Trump is ignorant of how the gov't works and he refuses to learn"

                Good.  That's why he was hired.  We don't need more politicians and we don't need more "business as usual".

              2. Sharlee01 profile image86
                Sharlee01posted 8 months agoin reply to this

                * Trump is ignorant of how the gov't works and he refuses to learn"

                And yet he is doing so well. Not sure you are willing to face that he is keeping his word. keeping most of his campaign promise. Some of the same promises Obama made and did not keep...  It seems a bit foolish to protest so hard, and continue to say the same things over and over... Do you realize none of what you listed has any relevance?

                1. My Esoteric profile image89
                  My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Exactly How is he doing so well?  What bad thing coming out of the Obama administration that he reversed and made better.

                  Don't say the economy because of the the 4.2% GDP growth for the last couple of quarters - Obama beat that several times - just google it.

                  Don't say jobs (although the unemployment rate is lower) because Obama put more people to work that Trump has in a similar time period.

                  Don't say global warming because Trump is not increasing the US carbon footprint while Obama was decreasing it.

                  Granted, rich people and corporations are reaping huge cash windfalls under Trump than under Obama.  But, the middle class has barely improved.

                  Don't mention global respect (although you probably think that is worthless) because it was much, much higher under Obama and is in the tank under Trump

                  How about protecting the border?  What improvement has Trump made there, other than doing a better job of kidnapping kids?  Some reports say crossings are up under Trump now (of course others say it is lower).

                  You can say the stock market is doing better than the trend set by Obama. But why? Because he increased the deficit and debt in order to give huge tax breaks to himself, other rich people, and rich corporations.  But by next year, after his tariffs do their dirty work, that probably won't be the case.

              3. Readmikenow profile image98
                Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I think you have a very good imagination.  Facts, truth and reality are not part of your thinking.  You are out of touch with what is happening in the political spectrum of the United States.  Whatever you think of President Donald Trump, he is a thousand percent better president than Hillary would have been.

                1. My Esoteric profile image89
                  My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  No imagination needed, all of those points are well documented and easy to find from reliable sources.  Start googling.

                  The last point about 80% will be hard to find.  That is estimated from the results of many polls.  Bottom line, 20% of Americans will never say a bad thing about Trump even if he actually does shoot someone in the middle of the street in broad daylight.  I bet you are one.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image98
                    Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    "Don't say the economy because of the the 4.2% GDP growth for the last couple of quarters - Obama beat that several times - just google it."

                    I thought I would take one thing and prove you wrong.  It appears from 2011 to 2018, over 4.2% GDP was reached three times. In my book, that's not classified as several.  Good try.  Good Imagination.

                    https://www.statista.com/statistics/188 … in-the-us/

                    I'm sure I would have no problems disproving the rest of your rhetoric, but I do have better things to do.

                  2. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    But wait, My Esoteric. What if the guy needed shooting, (some people do you know)? Would recognizing that still qualify as blind Trump support?

                    GA ;-)

    4. Onusonus profile image76
      Onusonusposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      All those rulings were by Democrats.

      1. My Esoteric profile image89
        My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Democrats and Republicans are just party labels whose philosophies change on a regular basis.  Therefore to talk about party labels over time is nonsensical and not worth talking about..

        Conservative and liberal are philosophies and are unchanging and is what is important to a rational discussion.  All of those rulings were by conservatives and consistent with conservative philosophy.

        1. Onusonus profile image76
          Onusonusposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          All of those rulings were by Democrats who abided by a liberal interpretation of this country's founding principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The proposition that all men are created equal and endowed with these inalienable rights is a conservative principle. Democrats were the ones who took liberties with that sentiment, and it was conservative Republicans who fought to end slavery, and segregation.
          Democrats were the ones who ginned up mobs against the law when they created the KKK, and they continue to do so with groups like Antifa, and BLM. Different agenda, same tactics.

  2. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 8 months ago

    My Esoteric , I've read a few comments like these , how we're going to return to the days of yesterday  in the courts .  That's ridiculous in my opinion . What we WON'T do however is continue down the useless roads of extremist SCOTUS activism . I can't wait until  a couple of the Obama appointees are replaced or at least made irrelevant  in their votes on the courts , that IS what this is all about and what the next choice too will be about .

    No worries ,  neither the 60 million million mindless abortions in fifty years nor other cultural entitlements  are inherently endangered , such liberties don't generally reverse themselves in America , when have they ever ?

    1. My Esoteric profile image89
      My Esotericposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      You might be surprised to learn that conservative judges are no less activists and liberal ones.

      Consider Scalia's 2nd Amendment ruling.  NONE of his reasoning was contained in the Constitution beyond the actual words in the Amendment. 

      Consider Citizen's United.  The 1st Amendment had to be read as broadly as possible in order to justify allowing unlimited corporate money in politics.  Even liberals wouldn't bend the Constitution that much.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        "You might be surprised to learn that conservative judges are no less activists and liberal ones."

        And we will find out of Kavanaugh is one of those activist judges.  He never has been, but he could change.

        Liberals will bend the constitution just as much as conservatives allow them to.  And vice versa.

  3. hard sun profile image89
    hard sunposted 8 months ago

    Another Trump love fest? Should I bother to read or just jump in and counter the insanity, lol. Where is Trump's birth certificate???

 
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