Charlie Kirk dead
Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk has died after being shot at an event on Wednesday afternoon at Utah Valley University.
President Donald Trump confirmed Kirk's death in a post on Truth Social.
A Utah Valley University (UVU) spokesperson told Fox News Digital the suspect that was initially in custody has since been released.
UVU Police are currently investigating in conjunction with the Orem Police Department, Utah Department of Public Safety and the FBI, according to the spokesperson.
FOXNEWSDark times ahead. The grass is going to get what it needs to grow. The tree of liberty is calling for its nourishment.
Stand ready to get some.Blood,blood,blood...
Yes I remember the reference well...
Funny how some training gets so deeply ingrained it never leaves.
Kirk was a bright mind willing to debate and bring light to ideas and truths the Left (for lack of a better definition) does not want discussed.
They only have violence left to force people to accept what they would otherwise not tolerate...and to silence a voice like Kirk before he can become a true leader ...31 years old, he had a lifetime ahead of him.The Right has already been nourishing that tree.
Looking at 2019–2024, multiple nonpartisan datasets and official assessments show that right-wing/extremist actors account for most U.S. extremist murders and a large share of terrorist plots/attacks:
Murders: ADL’s annual audits report that all U.S. extremist-related murders in 2023 were linked to right-wing extremism, and their longer series shows right-wing actors responsible for the majority of extremist killings in recent years (even as the total number fell).
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Attacks & plots: CSIS’s 30-year database finds that since the mid-2010s—and continuing through the 2019–2023 window—right-wing incidents dominate the U.S. domestic terrorism landscape, with a sharp rise in politically motivated attacks against government targets.
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Context from 2020–2021 protests: CSIS also notes a surge of incidents at demonstrations from both sides during 2020–2021, but the broader trend over these years still shows right-wing incidents and lethality leading.
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Official threat framing: FBI and DHS assessments through the period repeatedly pointed to white-supremacist/RMVE and anti-government extremists as the most persistent and lethal domestic terror threats.
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Bottom line: If by “political violence” you mean the kinds of cases tracked in terrorism/extremism datasets (murders, bombings/shootings, plots), the preponderance from 2019–2024 is right-wing, with federal threat assessments aligning to that picture. This doesn’t mean there were no left-aligned incidents—there were—but the aggregate and the deadliest outcomes skew right in that six-year span.
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Ken, One only needs to glance at social media this morning to see clearly who foments hate, who fuels it in our society, and who twists it into justifications to suit and spread their narratives. Does the other side bear some accountability in this? Yes—by giving them our ears, our eyes, and the fertile ground they need to take root. In doing so, we allow their unprovoked negativity, their endless “what ifs,” and their unjustified labels to spread unchecked. Social media gives them the forums, and a keyboard provides the anonymity they hide behind. Those of us who recognize the hate must refuse to feed it. Become part of the solution, not the problem.
Yes, the Right, for the most part - it has been that way for years.
He was executed. Evil appears to have won the day, but not this man's soul. Evil delights in these fleeting moments, and in temporary chaos, but Charlie is the true victor, for he has an eternity with God!
Good prevails in the end.....This is the Charlie Kirk that was killed. I don't like any type of political violence like this. Nevertheless, one has to look for the reason for it. They say the shooter, 22, grew more political over the last few years and thought the message Kirk was sending to our kids was one of hate. So it looks like his motive might have been a similar hate.
What might have made him feel this way? Maybe it was these messages from Kirk (caution, they might make you sick to your stomach):
* On wives who keep their vote private from their husbands: “You have to ask, what else is she lying to him about? Is she stealing money?”
* “Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to God … [an] abomination.”
* The great replacement strategy … is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
* “America does not need more visas for people from India … [the U.S. is] full.”
* Referring to Leviticus 20:13 he described it as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.” What does Leviticus 20:13 say? If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
* “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people — that’s a fact.” That is NOT a fact, just hateful speech
* “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
* "Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America… Europe is now a conquered continent.”
Some of those are opinion based on bias - like the Europe comment
Some are very dangerous such as his Leviticus reference of putting gay men to death. I have to wonder how many of his followers took him up on it.
Other of his statements clearly show he would have opposed the Declaration of Independence since he does not think all men are created equal.
I hope all agree those are not ideas we want spread to our youth - which is what Kirk was doing.
BTW, where was the right-wing outrage when Rep Melissa Hortman was murdered by a right-wing Trump supporter?
Or for Paul Pelosi when another nut job bashed his head in with a hammer and was in the process of killing before he was stopped.
Then there was the GOP candidate Solomon Pena who orchestrated drive-by shootings at Democratic officials in New Mexico. Barely a peep out of Republicans for that.
When I hear similar grief for those people will I consider the grief for Krik more than crocodile tears.Another case of the stupidity of the 2nd amendment. If it was strongly illegal to carry a gun this and many other murders and mass shootings wouldn't have happened.
Charlie Kirk was a man whose life and work were inseparable from his deepest convictions: faith, family, and country. From the moment he founded Turning Point USA at just 18, he dedicated himself to inspiring a generation to embrace the values that make America strong, personal responsibility, liberty, and the courage to stand for what is right. Through his organization, he created a community where young people were not only encouraged to think critically and speak boldly but to live with integrity, honor their families, and serve their nation. Charlie thrived on sharing his vision, connecting with people, and leading by example. His Christian faith guided his actions, his love for his family grounded him, and his devotion to his country shaped his every effort. Bold, focused, and compassionate, he lived as a testament to the power of conviction and the enduring human spirit. He was a threat to hate, and it was hate that ultimately took him from us. He touched the young, and they have now lost him, yet his message will continue to resonate with them. I believe it will inspire many more young people, who will take up his spirit and carry on the peaceful fight with the same bright smile Charlie always wore.
And like always, Trump goes all in with ugly partisanship, divisiveness & hate. Trump uses a political assassination to attack half the country. He quite literally is the divider in chief. He’s such a danger to this country.
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1965943273840943111According to Jesse Watters at Fox, we are at war. A rather presumptuous statement considering that the assassin remains at large and we do not know anything about him or his motives for the attack.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo … 24273.html
With all the news about this Charlie Kirk and his passing, I thought that I would more closely investigate him and his “Turning Point” movement.
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Social policy
Abortion
In a debate hosted by Jubilee Media, Kirk argued that there may be situations wherein abortion could be medically necessary if the mother's life is at risk. However, he also argued that abortion is murder and should be illegal. He opposed exceptions for rape.[78]
Gun rights and the Second Amendment
Kirk was a gun owner and gun rights advocate. After the Parkland shooting in February 2018, he spoke for the National Rifle Association in Parkland, Florida.[79][80] Kirk was invited by a student to a pro-gun event in the school where the shooting happened, but the event was cancelled. He had said that guns, armed guards and gun detectors could be used in order to prevent shootings in schools and campuses.[81][82]
In an April 2023 Turning Point USA event in Salt Lake City, Utah, Kirk said: "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."[83][84][85]
Views on relationships and "sexual anarchy"
In October 2021, Kirk said on his podcast that Democrats wanted Americans to live where "there is no cultural identity, where you live in sexual anarchy, where private property is a thing of the past, and the ruling class controls everything." Following social media backlash, he released a statement on the website of the Claremont Institute doubling down on and expanding his remarks.[86][87][88]
According to Media Matters, at the TPUSA Young Women's Leadership Summit 2022 Conference, Kirk said that the "biblical model" for women to pursue in romantic relationships is a partner who is "a protector and a leader, and deep down, a vast majority of you agree" and that "if you want to go meet conservative men that have their act together, that aren't like, woke beta men, like, start a Turning Point USA chapter, you'll meet a lot of them."[89]
Kirk advocated for parents to never let their daughters receive prescriptions for birth control medication for any reason. He claimed that the medication makes women angry and bitter, which he alleged suited the political leanings of the Democratic Party.[90]
Anti-BDS laws
In May 2025, Kirk voiced opposition to a bipartisan proposal that would expand anti-Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions laws (BDS) punishing the boycott of Israel, saying, "We've allowed far too many people who hate America move here from abroad, but the right to speak freely is the birthright of all Americans."[91]
Race and Martin Luther King Jr.
Kirk said that the concept of white privilege is a myth and a "racist idea".[92][10][93] Kirk served on President Donald Trump's 1776 Commission, a response to the 1619 Project.[94] Assuming "more hard-right positions", he said that Democratic immigration policies were aimed at "diminishing and decreasing white demographics in America."[32][95] In October 2021, Kirk began the "Exposing Critical Racism Tour" of a number of campuses and off-campus venues to "fight racist theories on America's college campuses!"[96][97] On the Minnesota leg of the tour on October 5, 2021, Kirk called George Floyd a "scumbag" and appeared to refer to the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol when he said that "if you dare walk into the U.S. Capitol building and take a selfie, they'll put you in solitary confinement."[98] Kirk also promoted several debunked conspiracy theories about Floyd, such as that he was “illegally counterfeiting currency,” and had once “put a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach.”[98] On Facebook, YouTube and Rumble, Kirk repeatedly promoted the false claim that the medical examiner who performed the autopsy declared Floyd had died of an overdose. Following a fact check by AFP that noted the doctor stood by the classification of Floyd's death as a homicide, corrections were added to Kirk's posts on social media.[99]
In a November 2021 Fox News article, Kirk wrote that he believed state power should be used to stop teachers from instructing children on critical race theory: "directly confronting the left, and promising to fight their illiberal ideology with state power when necessary, is the key to winning everyday Americans."[100][101]
Kirk praised Martin Luther King Jr. prior to December 2023, variously calling him a "hero" and a "civil rights icon"; that December, however, he used a speech at AmericaFest to describe him as "awful ... not a good person" and as someone who is admired only because he "said one thing he didn't actually believe." The speech also saw Kirk condemn the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling its passage a "huge mistake" and alleging that it had created a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy".[101] Kirk told The New York Times, "I take the Caldwellian view, from his book The Age of Entitlement, that we went through a new founding in the '60s and that the Civil Rights Act has actually superseded the U.S. Constitution as its reference point. In fact, I bet if you polled Americans, most of them would have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than the Constitution. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right."[102] In January 2024, Kirk said that a "myth" had been created around King which had "grown totally out of control" and that King was currently "the most honored, worshiped, even deified person of the 20th century" despite "most people" supposedly disliking him during his life. Responding to accusations by Malcolm Kenyatta that he was working to undermine King and the Voting Rights Act, Kirk called this claim "a lie" and "fear-mongering", and added that telling the "truth" about King "should not be trampling sacred ground" since he was "just a man ... a very flawed one at that" and a "mythological anti-racist creation of the 1960s." Kirk later said he had "found the sacred cow of modern America" in criticizing King.[103]
Also in January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[104][105][106] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White".[107] NBC News further reported that Kirk's comments about DEI programs and his comment about Black or African American airline pilots resulted in ongoing conflict with the Republican National Committee over outreach to Black voters.[28]
Kirk posted on Instagram in March 2024 that "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality." Alongside this statement, Kirk shared a screenshot from a Fox News story headline that read; "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states."[108] After Elon Musk was widely criticized for endorsing an antisemitic post that referenced the Great Replacement Theory and blamed "Jewish communities" for supporting mass migration, Kirk defended Musk, stating that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."[109] Kirk went on to say that it was "completely correct" that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country", praising Tucker Carlson's statements on the issue.[110]
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If this is the sort of personage and political opinions that you conservative right wing types revere and now mourn, we have nothing in common and I guess we are the “rats” as Jesse defines us. Yes, then we are at war. Subjugation and intimidation from the Right side will not be tolerated either, you can pass that on to Jesse, as well. Under the circumstances, the Right considers him as a martyr, but I can no more lament his death than I would either Lester Maddox or Bull Connor.
My view of the future of this nation now goes beyond pessimistic.
Just my opinion…….Yes, and Trump? He's weaponizing Kirk's murder before the man is even in his grave.
Tact is an alien thing to Trump. He can't spare anyone, not even his deepest supporters, a drop of it.Hells bells, so much for "re-engaging." Posts like this were a reason for stepping back. Cover your ears IslandMom, this one's going to be worth the suspension.
Cred, that was a shitty post. I read it almost twice to be sure I understood your point.
Simply because a man's conservative beliefs differ from yours, you can't lament his death. A successful young family man is assassinated, and you don't mind because he doesn't believe what you do.
You didn't have to pipe in on this thread, but you chose to search out all the horrible positions the man supported and post them to show how deplorable he was and explain why you're not sorry (that is what lament means) he was assassinated.
Think back to this forum when Margaret Thatcher died. Remember the group (3 or 4) of Leftist (my description) that ran a thread celebrating her death? Their main theme was:
♫ Ding Dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead . . . ♫
I thought that was "deplorable" even before Hillary made it a thing.
For you to have the mindset to search for reasons to explain why you aren't sorry he was killed so you could post it for all to see as "your opinion" was a jerk move as deplorable as any of the Right-wingers you hate so much.
The only need was your zealotry. Geesh Cred.
GAYeah, you have stayed conveniently quiet as of late.
Yes, I do have to pipe in, it is more than just a difference of conservative verses liberal, Kirks positions on matters of the most concern to me were clearly racist. I do not accommodate racists, period.
I did not say that I was glad that he was killed, just don’t expect me to be kept awake at night mourning the passing of a man that promoted a racist ideology.
The “horrible” positions were a direct attack on me, our tribe and the legislation that was necessary to make this country less of an apartheid state, so no, I don’t miss him.
You can call my post what you want, but you need to read it again to see things from my point of view as conservatives tend to be myopic far too often. It is the problem that most of you seem to have is that you do not listen.
I am not rightwinger, I am not afraid of your words of those of anyone else. I do not need not cower behind faux outrage.
I have no issue with Margaret Thatcher, but I do with MAGA and its cheerleaders.Cred, simply calling Kirk a racist shows that you didn’t follow him or know anything about him. Have you ever heard him speak, watched his TV show, listened to his YouTube videos, or tuned into his podcast?
Did you see the information I posted on the views as head of “turning point”, which I consider a direct attack on minority groups? I have his manifesto, even though I have not watched any of his videos, they are more than likely going to support it. He documents racist views, I am not just pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
I'm inclined to agree with you Kirk was openly racist. The evidence is there. It isn't hard to find.
Yep and Credence posted it in the most sanitized version possible.
Yes, he was. One can lament the violence, the pain of his family, especially his kids, but still recognize what he was, a racist and a bigot.
Still, murdering someone for being awful is reprochable. If that was the case, we dont know at this point.Ah, keep it going with the labels.
You are an example of what is wrong with the left.
You can't debate only call names.
Typical.What have you got against the truth? Besides, those aren't names, there a factual description, like labeling him White or Male. Do you object to calling him White or Male?
Thank you, Tim, for that revelation. Political violence is always negative. But, Perhaps you can understand why I would not be terribly moved by the passing of this particular man….
Where did your information come from? Have you ever heard him speak, watched his TV show, listened to his YouTube videos, or tuned into his podcast? Or do you prefer forming your view based on what others say? Please point to a document or statement where he actually expressed those words. He was not a racist. He was a young man striving to bring people together, with an open, understanding ear, a sharp wit, and an infectious smile. And Jesus in his heart. He was unique; he thrived with his passion to heal, not destroy.
I am passionate about truth and justice, and in my view, it’s clear that no one on this thread truly followed Kirk, yet they feel entitled to critique him. Sadly, this is exactly what I have come to expect. It reflects a broader problem that has pulled much of our society into the mud.
You appear to be willing to share internet info, and condone the death of this man because he does not share your views, or I might say Google's views.
Like I said, I followed this man, your description in no respect describes Charlie Kirk.Again, do we really need to post some of his rhetoric?
Also in January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[104][105][106] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White".[107] NBC News further reported that Kirk's comments about DEI programs and his comment about Black or African American airline pilots resulted in ongoing conflict with the Republican National Committee over outreach to Black voters.
THAT was a racist comment, that Kirk himself had said, need I have to pull up more direct quotes from this man?
Or what was this nonsense all about? Again direct quotes from Kirk himself.
Kirk posted on Instagram in March 2024 that "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality." Alongside this statement, Kirk shared a screenshot from a Fox News story headline that read; "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states."[108] After Elon Musk was widely criticized for endorsing an antisemitic post that referenced the Great Replacement Theory and blamed "Jewish communities" for supporting mass migration, Kirk defended Musk, stating that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."[109] Kirk went on to say that it was "completely correct" that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country", praising Tucker Carlson's statements on the issue.[110]"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[104][105][106] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White"
Sure is easy to read some little snippet of what was said and then form an opinion. Anyone who watched his explanation of his position would see how it made sense.
But then, that would require an ability to be objective and a desire to understand combined with maturity.
Qualities that are not part of individuals on the left.It is the same point that I was making with GA, you folks never listen.
That is a big snippet, now why would we presume that a black pilot is not qualified for his job? The intense bigotry associated with right wing ideology and thought is not so easily concealed.
The maturity comes from investigating the man and his “movement” and determine from its tenets what it is really all about.
Conservative thinks that everyone can be deceived into not accepting what is clearly before their eyes.
So, it is as I have always said, the Right sucks….
Do we really have to post some of the things he said? Really?
Actually, my gay employee has, and Kirk's hate scares him to death.
Are you going to let your husband check up on you and wonder what else you are lying about if you won't tell him who you voted for? Do you subscribe to that?
There was nothing fake about my outrage. (outrage is the wrong word)
GA
Props for trying to get him to realize the drift into the extreme ... It only leads to tragedies like this, if allowed it will consume everything good a person had to offer.
This needs repeating " "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Kirk actually believes thousands of dead people a year is worth a MAN-GIVEN right to possess guns. What kind of rational human being actually believes in that kind of violence?
The loss of Charlie Kirk is something that has resonated around the world.
He was different from most Conservatives.
Charlie Kirk willingly went onto college campuses around the country and debated those who disagreed with him. If you disagreed with him, you went to the front of the line to speak with him. He strongly believed in debating and discussing topics.
There is NOBODY from the left who would set up a situation where those from the right could debate them in the open in front of a crowd. Nobody.
Charlie Kirk believed so strongly on his views and beliefs he was willing to debate anyone at any time.
Charlie Kirk was for free speech and the left tries to control free speech. He had protesters do many things such as attempt to keep him from going onto college campuses where he was willing to debate him.
The left couldn't out debate Charlie Kirk. They couldn't defeat him in the arena of ideas. The left has no ability to defend their positions. There is no defense for them. That is the reason they don't want to debate but only control the speech of others.
Charlie Kirk and his beliefs are going to be remembered and will now grow ten fold.Mike, I couldn’t agree more with your words. The loss of Charlie Kirk has indeed struck deeply because he represented something rare and courageous in today’s climate. He not only stood firm in his beliefs but also welcomed open dialogue, even with those who opposed him most fiercely. He was never afraid of the tough questions and gave everyone a chance to be heard. Beyond the public debates and his passion for free speech, Charlie was also known for his personal kindness and generosity. He quietly helped young people find their way, offered guidance to those struggling with faith or direction, and supported families in need without ever seeking recognition. He lived his values of faith, family, and country not just on stage, but in everyday life.
It is obvious that he will be even stronger after his murder, for he was deeply loved and appreciated by our young. And is that not fascinating in itself? For decades, young people cared very little about politics. Yet through Charlie’s podcasts, shows, and gatherings, they began to take notice, to think about issues they had never considered before. He has been an inspiration, and I agree, his voice, though no longer physically here, will be heard louder than he could have ever imagined. His work helped drown out hate, and millions of our young who appreciated him will hopefully carry his spirit and continue to thrive due to what he shared.
I have unwavering faith in the majority of Americans. In the end, I know the ship will be set back on course. Every day, I see proof, small but powerful reminders, that the spirit of this nation is alive and rising.Shar,
I have started other threads about the violence o the left.
It's never going to stop.
They're only getting worse.What is wrong in this country.. all wrapped up in one concise post.
Mike, Yes, it is getting far worse. I can only share my perspective, but I believe this stems from their desperation and pure anger over so many issues. They lost the election, their left-leaning media outlets are failing, and it’s clear the Democratic Party is in serious decline. They are frustrated by the growing support for conservative policies, the rise of patriotic movements, and the resilience of Trump’s base. They see their narratives being challenged, their influence waning, and their vision for the country slipping away. Meanwhile, they watch Trump succeeding, speaking directly to the American people, and inspiring a new generation of leaders. At this point, hate, division, and violence are the only outlets left for them. I have some faith that Trump will add more troops to crime cities and set a precedent.
In my view, the midterms will truly push them over the edge.Oh yes because Americans want more of everything we are experiencing?
"Oh yes because Americans want more of everything we are experiencing?" Willow
MORE OF WHAT? I offered my view, and it seems you did not pick up the context once again. My comment was in reply to Mike; I shared my truth in response to his concerns. Perhaps you objected to my sentiments, my truth. Well, that would be your problem.
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Mike, Yes, it is getting far worse. I can only share my perspective, but I believe this stems from their desperation and pure anger over so many issues. They lost the election, their left-leaning media outlets are failing, and it’s clear the Democratic Party is in serious decline. They are frustrated by the growing support for conservative policies, the rise of patriotic movements, and the resilience of Trump’s base. They see their narratives being challenged, their influence waning, and their vision for the country slipping away. Meanwhile, they watch Trump succeed, speaking directly to the American people, and inspiring a new generation of leaders. At this point, hate, division, and violence are the only outlets left for them. I have some faith that Trump will add more troops to crime cities and set a precedent.
In my view, the midterms will truly push them over the edge."Currently there is no indication that Republicans will hang on to their House or Senate majority after the midterms... Not with every economic indicator going in the wrong direction. That was the point, plain and simple.
Get back to me in 2026 --- Not at all interested in your view. Plain and simple
It's clear that the majority of America holds this view... Inflation doesn't win elections. Most are smart enough to understand that Trump is lying when he blathers about $2 gas, no inflation , grocery and energy prices that have decreased.
Oh, the majority, and you know this for certain? Curious. Like I said, get back to me in 2026.
Since you seem to favor polls, maybe you can post some in evidence of a majority of Americans being pleased with the current state of our economy and the manner in which Trump lies about it daily...
"Since you seem to favor polls, maybe you can post some in evidence of a majority of Americans being pleased with the current state of our economy and the manner in which Trump lies about it daily..." Willow
First, let me correct you, my context in no respect makes mention of polls. You just never seem to get context, do you?
Honestly, I think this is about the tenth time I’ve shared my perspective with you. I don’t put any stock in polls, and I’ve already gone to the trouble of giving examples of why I lost respect for them. I only responded to your comment because its tone suggested you see yourself as knowing more than anyone else here.
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It's clear that the majority of America holds this view... Inflation doesn't win elections. Most are smart enough to understand that Trump is lying when he blathers about $2 gas, no inflation , grocery and energy prices that have decreased.
My response is very simple and direct ---- I repeat...
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Oh, the majority, and you know this for certain? Curious. Like I said, get back to me in 2026.
I am always shocked by your responses. I mean, do you ever read what you are responding to?"Honestly, I think this is about the tenth time I’ve shared my perspective with you. I don’t put any stock in polls,
And that's an interesting statement because your posts on this forum during the Biden Administration we're almost continually filled with and pointing to the polls concerning Biden's approval ratings...what changed? The polls were used against Biden but all of a sudden they're irrelevant concerning trump? Why so much stock in the polls under Biden??
You created an entire thread voted to Biden's polls...
Today is September 11, the day the towers were attacked. It is also the day, the country came to together as one nation. Politics didn't matter, we all helped each other. Why is that? Because where there was a dired threat to our existents, we all came together.
In my humble opinion, the elephant in the room is Trump. He has not only successfully divided this country, he continues to do so every time he opens his mouth.
If we were attacked by aliens from outer space, we would all come together. My point is, as humans we come together when there is a direct threat to our exisents . When we have a leader who wants to divide us for his own personal gain and doesn't play by the rules, there is very little hope that we will come together. His personal gain is power and a third term. Power makes him feel very good. We all know that power corruppts, but that absolute power corrupts abolutely.
I undertand that Chalie Kirk was an advocate of the 2nd amenent who thought everybody should have the right to have guns. Mass shooting and assassinations will never stop as long as the NRA and the firearm industry continue to make huge profits while lobbying the politicians with their billions in contributions. As they say, just follow the money. Of course, this is all my humble opinion.Mass killings/assassinations will never stop as long as we steadfastly conclude that an inanimate chunk of iron is doing the killing. Until we look inside ourselves, inside our culture, we will not stop it or even significantly reduce it.
We can stop the shootings by disarming the population, at least shootings by honest, law abiding people. We will not stop the killing that way, and we will not stop shootings by criminals at all."Mass killings/assassinations will never stop as long as we steadfastly conclude that an inanimate chunk of iron is doing the killing. Until we look inside ourselves, inside our culture, we will not stop it or even significantly reduce it."
Exactly. I've had guns around my house for many years. None of them have jumped up, gone outside and shot someone. I believe that is what liberals think happen. That or some mystical, magical force contained within firearms make people go out and commit murders/mass shootings.
This is not a gun problem it is a people problem.
I’ve always felt we could share our truths and views openly, with comfort, kindness, and respect. Not by condemning, but by really listening to one another. So, here goes… I’ll admit I am a bit raw today. Charlie is someone I followed for many years, and although it feels strange to say that, because he was still so young, he left a real mark on me.
Your comment comes at a very crucial time. Today, I’ve spent much of the day asking myself “why.” Why have we reached a point in America where people are being killed for their ideological beliefs? I’m old enough to remember when, yes, it could happen, but it was rare. You mentioned how we once came together as a Nation, and that’s true, we did. But let’s be honest, there were differences. After 9/11, we united against a foreign enemy that attacked our towers. Today, and on so many recent days, it has been Americans killing Americans, often over politics and ideology. That cannot be compared to the unity we saw after 9/11.
And as for blaming Trump, I will say openly and honestly: Trump is not responsible. The real blame lies with those who have fomented hate through our media, day after day. A single word, a false accusation, even when proven untrue, was enough to stick in people’s minds. From this, pure hate was cultivated. A hate that, in my view, was unfounded from the very beginning. Once that kind of hatred takes root, no common sense can break through. Not even the obvious truth that Trump will one day leave office. Then what? Does the hate just redirect itself toward another Republican?
No, this isn’t Trump’s fault. The blame rests at the feet of hate itself, and of those who allowed themselves to be consumed by it. It’s always striking to me how easy it is to see, even in conversations here, who is fueling division. So much of it is “what ifs” and accusations without evidence, with little respect for the fact that Trump was voted in by the people. It seems to me that some would rather dismiss those votes, silence those voices, and strip away their right to free speech.
But I believe this cannot last. Americans are beginning to wake up. They are looking in the mirror and not liking what they see, realizing they have been part of fueling this climate of hatred. I always remember something GA said years ago: “I am glad I am not you.” I would change that slightly, so it isn’t directed at one person, but rather to those consumed by this bitterness: I am glad I am not one of them.
Charlie was simply a good man, thriving, sharing his beliefs in the way Americans have always done: with free speech and open debate. He did it with kindness, often humor, and always with passion. He loved what he did. He was a Christian who openly spoke about his God. And I have no respect for anyone who now chooses to disparage him simply because they can. That mindset does nothing but continue to spread hate, whether people realize it or not.I am going to keep this as simple as I can. There are two main factors here. One is the 2nd amendment that gives everybody the right to bear arms. The second is mental institutions
The 2nd amendment was intended to protect the colonies from tyranny from foreign enemies, not to protect us from each other. Almost all mass shootings and now assinations have been committed by the menatlly ill.
Reagan and Kennedy both removed funding for mental institutions and had mentally ill people walking the streets. I remember after Reagan removed the funding, I had them approach me while I was joggging. They were littllerally on the streets.
Without any facilities and resources to manage these people, coupled with the ease at which getting guns, it's like knowing that a match isn't struck until you can see the flame. By that time it is too late. Mental institutions need to be brought back. But they cost money that our government does not want to spend...So we pay the price with mass shootings and now assasinations by the mentally ill.
..I can't say you're wrong...
I agree with the heart of that... we allow the insane to roam freely... we allow those we know mean to do harm to walk free even after repeated arrests... we call criminals... victims...
The country will continue to decline and have such violent incidents occur until we have a society that no longer is willing to tolerate the insane and immoral as acceptable, if not championed.
* On wives who keep their vote private from their husbands: “You have to ask, what else is she lying to him about? Is she stealing money?”
* “Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to God … [an] abomination.”
* The great replacement strategy … is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
* “America does not need more visas for people from India … [the U.S. is] full.”
* Referring to Leviticus 20:13 he described it as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.” What does Leviticus 20:13 say? If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
* “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people — that’s a fact.” That is NOT a fact, just hateful speech
* “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
* "Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America… Europe is now a conquered continent.”
And that is the man you look up to and defend. WOW! Just WOW!
Violence and hate aren’t unique to one party. It’s everywhere. And it’s a race to the bottom.
Every time blood is spilled, the other side responds with more rage, more calls for vengeance, more demands for annihilation. The pendulum just keeps swinging. Left, right, left, right. And it won’t stop.
I’m already seeing people on the right calling for blood. Calling for Civil War. Saying every Democrat deserves to die. Just like there are voices on the left who would cheer if every MAGA and Republican disappeared tomorrow. Extremism is alive and well in America. Worse yet, we have a man at the helm who only stokes the division.
This isn’t strength. It’s weakness. All these so-called “influencers” screaming about civil war and bloodshed are nothing but rage baiters.
Charlie Kirk’s death is tragic. I despise his ideology, but he didn’t deserve to die for it. Just like Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband didn’t deserve to be murdered in their bed by a Trump supporter last month. Just like the people crushed in January 6. Just like the endless victims of mass shootings fueled by political radicalization.
This is the reality we live in: a political culture of rage, dehumanization, and violence feeding into itself on repeat. And if you can’t see that both sides are guilty, then you’re already part of the problem....https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/22/us/p … =url-share
"In the United States as in other countries, recorded acts of right-wing political violence have been deadlier than left-wing violence.""In the United States as in other countries, recorded acts of right-wing political violence have been deadlier than left-wing violence." Kathleen
I find it odd and frankly unintelligent to weigh or keep count of evil, as if one side’s violence is somehow more acceptable than the other’s. Evil is evil. The very act of tallying it up shows a warped mindset, one that excuses hate when it comes from “one side” while condemning it elsewhere. That kind of thinking doesn’t make you sound informed; it makes you part of the problem. These kinds of sentiments no longer surprise me; they really stand to foment more hate.How do you respond to Trump's statements in the last few days then?? Tallying up violence that has occurred toward right-wing folks while purposely leaving out the violence committed toward those on the liberal spectrum?
Blaming the "radical left" for Kirk's death while ignoring far-right murders like the Melissa Hortmans...Their hypocrisy is almost comical. Remember the thread about the "violence of the left"? I missed them calling him names and part of the problem. Or their own multiples post accusing, attacking the left, even without facts. Or how they accused Biden of awakening hate, but defending Trumo for doing worse.
Meh.
There is such a thing as extent and frequency, that is not to be ignored. We focus on where the bigger problem is first.
I am in sync with your comment here, just as long as no one asks me to deliver the eulogy for this fellow…….
They don't need to be "Calling for Blood", they are in the habit of already doing that.
Looking at 2019–2024, multiple nonpartisan datasets and official assessments show that right-wing/extremist actors account for most U.S. extremist murders and a large share of terrorist plots/attacks:
Murders: ADL’s annual audits report that all U.S. extremist-related murders in 2023 were linked to right-wing extremism, and their longer series shows right-wing actors responsible for the majority of extremist killings in recent years (even as the total number fell).
Axios
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Attacks & plots: CSIS’s 30-year database finds that since the mid-2010s—and continuing through the 2019–2023 window—right-wing incidents dominate the U.S. domestic terrorism landscape, with a sharp rise in politically motivated attacks against government targets.
CSIS
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Context from 2020–2021 protests: CSIS also notes a surge of incidents at demonstrations from both sides during 2020–2021, but the broader trend over these years still shows right-wing incidents and lethality leading.
CSIS
Official threat framing: FBI and DHS assessments through the period repeatedly pointed to white-supremacist/RMVE and anti-government extremists as the most persistent and lethal domestic terror threats.
Rev
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Bottom line: If by “political violence” you mean the kinds of cases tracked in terrorism/extremism datasets (murders, bombings/shootings, plots), the preponderance from 2019–2024 is right-wing, with federal threat assessments aligning to that picture. This doesn’t mean there were no left-aligned incidents—there were—but the aggregate and the deadliest outcomes skew right in that six-year span.
Rev
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Who else finds it find it extremely strange that the FBI says they have images and footage of this shooter but are not releasing it....
They recently posted photos of the "person of interest."
A left wing podcast, which I won't mention as it disgusts me has at their topic today, "Charlie Kirk was made unalive at one of his events in Utah."
Unalive? What kind of absolute idiotic nonsense is that? Let's not say he was assassinated or murdered, we'll say he was "made unalive."
Just when you think the left can't sink any lower.It’s unbelievable and deeply disrespectful that Charlie Kirk’s death is being referred to as “made unalive.” Such language not only mocks a tragic loss but also shows a complete lack of empathy and decency. This kind of absurdity is a stark reminder of how low public discourse has sunk.
Their hate is palpable and is very dangerous.Can you point to the exact person who made the statement "unalive"
It's a thing. It has nothing to do with mocking Charlie Kirk, or empathy or decency. Some people accuse others of hate out of their own ignorance nad prejudices.
Now you notice the unalive thing?
Many social media websites do not allow discussions about violence, or self-harm. Some have automated bots scanning for words like, "murder", "suicide", "gun", etc. Because it can be very difficult to avoid mentioning those topics in conversations about things like history, social media influencers started using alternate words and phrases, like "unalive" for murder or suicide, and "pew pews" for guns (imitating the sound children tend to make when they're pretending to shoot guns).
People have content they want to share on multiple platforms, including both restrictive and non-restrictive about violence-adjacent content. By using "code" words everywhere, they have less to worry about with content restrictions.
It is not about Charlie Kirk.
Ignorance is dangerous too, and it also leads to violence.
Question...how does Trump plan to use his bully pulpit to address the issue of political violence?? How will he attempt to bring the temperature down?
This, is not helpful...
https://x.com/JenniferEValent/status/19 … 6809029950Not unless I'm able to make certain nobody would click on the link.
It's disgusting.I'd never heard of this young man before yesterday and I read the lede stories in more than 20 newspapers daily.
I don't have to know him though, to know a tragedy when I see one. And I know when not to lob cheap shots at people I disagree with at a time of grief.
I do find it ironic that this went down exactly like the attempt on Trump during the campaign. But in one, the shooter missed and was himself killed. In the other, the shooter killed his target and got away. Ironic.Newspapers are antiquated and out of touch from the main social discourse.
Youtube, Tiktok, podcasts are the primary "town square" discourse centers of today... Kirk was very much a part of that.And I would suggest some take the time to watch a few, get to know this man a bit more up close.
Man, Ken, this all sickens me.I think this thread is something of a revelation to me... For all some people on here seem to be in tune with what is going on in the country...
I can see why their perspectives are so disparate from my own and others here...
If you aren't using YouTube... Podcasts ...X... as a primary source of daily information, then you are completely out of touch with the best sources of information and the people shaping today's discourse.
It's as simple as that... when the NY Times, CNN and Salon are your go-to trusted sources... You are operating blind to the greater sources impacting opinion and ideas.
You are also being fed a biased and limited view of what is going on in the world.
For example. Steven A Smith's take on the assassination:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8QQTea3-qs
His voice reaches millions of Americans.
Joe Rogan Reacting to Charlie Kirk Being Assassinated - live while interviewing Charlie Sheen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVzAk4kcFCQ
Those two gentlemen alone shaped and impacted tens of millions of American's views on this, more than CNN or the NY Times will ever reach... those outlets are the past, almost no one under the age of 30 will see or hear what they say or print.
I also find it interesting that several writers have posted articles on this tragedy. And they are writers on this site, not just those who fill up the discussion boards.
Different motivations?Those on the left in this forum have, for the most part, been respectful of the death of Charlie Kirk.
Not everyone on the left has such sensitivity and respect.
"Panthers fire staffer over insensitive Charlie Kirk assassination social media posts4
The Carolina Panthers on Thursday fired an employee who made insensitive social media posts following the assassination of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Rock, a member of the team’s communications department, was the staffer fired, a source briefed on the Panthers’ decision confirmed to Fox News Digital.
Social media posts linked to Rock appeared to show him questioning why people were sad that Kirk had been shot and killed. The song "Protect Ya Neck" from the Wu-Tang Clan was also shared.
"The views expressed by our employees are their own and do not represent those of the Carolina Panthers," the team said in a statement posted to social media. "We do not condone violence of any kind. We are taking this matter very seriously and have accordingly addressed it with the individual."
Rock was far from the first person to lose their job for mocking the assassination of Kirk.
MSNBC fired analyst Matthew Dowd for his "unacceptable" comments about Kirk in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. The network previously denounced the comments Dowd made on the air.
"During our breaking news coverage of the shooting of Charlie Kirk, Matthew Dowd made comments that were inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable," MSNBC President Rebecca Kutler said in a statement. "We apologize for his statements, as has he. There is no place for violence in America, political or otherwise."
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/panthers … edia-posts
Here are some of the ghouls from the left celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. It's really disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy3f4FFwgPUAnd I still support free speech.. how about you?
Remember when Nancy Pelosi's husband took a hammer to the head and Don Jr posted this.... yes... A GHOULISH reminder that no one owns the high road.
You have to ask yourself if there are those on the left who just can't help themselves.
"Transgender Team USA cyclist celebrates Charlie Kirk's assassination on social media
Chelsea Wolfe posted a 'We did it!' caption over news reports of Charlie Kirk's assassination
A transgender Team USA BMX cyclist made a series of social media posts Wednesday celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Chelsea Wolfe, who was present for the U.S. women's BMX team at the Tokyo Olympics in 2021 as an alternate, made the celebratory posts on the athlete's Instagram story.
One of the stories featured a USA Today report of Kirk's killing, with an animated caption that read "We did it!" on top of the children's character "Dora the Explorer."
Another of Wolfe's posts included a black screen with the caption "the 'find out' era looks good on him," in white letters.
Wolfe also posted a photo giving a thumbs up with a caption that read, "Being a Nazi is completely optional btw. He didn't have to do all that, but he did and now he's dead. Don't live your life in a way that the world is better following your death."
Wolfe previously said in a March 2020 Facebook post that the athlete hoped to "burn the American flag" at the Tokyo Olympics.
"My goal is to win the Olympics so I can burn a US flag on the podium. This is what they focus on during a pandemic. Hurting trans children," Wolfe wrote on Facebook on March 25, 2020.
Fox News Digital attempted to reach Wolfe for an explanation of the recent posts on Kirk's assassination but has not received a response. Fox News Digital has also reached out to USA Cycling for a response.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/transgen … cial-mediaMORE sickos on the left cheering the death of Charlie Kirk. These are your people democrats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgvF-W_rswI ask you, is this any way to bring a country together?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi … rcna230472"Trump called for "all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree" — but he then called out "radical left political violence," without paying tribute to any Democratic politicians who have been targeted."
Just incredibly wrong and divisive.
Trump rattles off a list of victims of political violence and conveniently leaves out Democrats. Frames Kirk a martyr and promises to punish political opponents.... ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE.I believe this is telling the truth.
Just because the left doesn't like what they see when they look at themselves doesn't mean others should play into their delusional thinking.
The left has slowly escalated their violence over the years and now it has reached the stage of assassination.
You want to bring the country together? Have the left say how wrong they are for all the violence they perpetrate. Have the left stop celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
The left can't have debates because their beliefs are based on lies and falsehoods they repeatedly tell themselves.
Since they can't win debates they have to resort to violence to make their point.
How ironic they call others fascist.At a time when our country desperately needs to bring the temperature down, Trump does the opposite. In the moments that call for him to rise to the occasion, he always fails...
Mike, I’m relieved to know the shooter is in custody. I truly feared that if he remained free, he might have harmed someone else. When I heard of his arrest, my thoughts immediately turned to Charlie. If Charlie were still with us, I believe he would have wanted to sit down with this young man, to ask “why,” to try and understand. That was Charlie, he carried understanding in his heart.
What saddens me deeply is seeing people already using this tragedy to push TDS and blame Trump. Even after a wonderful young man has lost his life, some can’t see that this kind of hatred, the constant projecting of blame, feeds into the very cycle that took Charlie from us. When one side foments hate, common sense is lost, and hope slips away.
I’ve come to a hard truth myself: I was part of the problem. In my own way, I gave those steeped in hate the opportunity to spread it by engaging, by offering them a forum. Today, I feel sad, and yes, even guilty for having done so.
Yet I also have faith that this tragedy will awaken some who carry hate in their hearts, and perhaps move them to reevaluate their mindset. Charlie’s wife and parents are loving Christians, and I am sure they won’t seek revenge, only justice. They will carry forth what Charlie would have wanted, and that would not be the death penalty. He was a good man who touched so many lives, and I can only hope his death will stir others to turn away from hate and toward love.
In my view, people need to stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. The fire of hate isn’t born from Trump or any other leader, it’s created and spread by individuals. Believing that someone else could stop people from spewing their own deeply rooted hate is nothing short of foolish. Blaming Trump for the hate in one’s own heart is simply an attempt to escape the weight of one’s own conscience.
I implore all—stop giving fertile ground, stop offering a space for hate to take root and thrive.Shar,
It is difficult to not feel rage toward the left.
The guy who did this was 22 years old. He wrote sayings on the bullets such as "Here fascist catch" and some worse ones. This sick individual was filled with hate.
I think the left has to rethink how they do things. They need to stop labeling people as Nazis and fascists who speak a truth that makes them feel uncomfortable. When doing this it states how they can't defend their position.
I would say we can't back down. We have to continue to state the truth no matter how it triggers those on the left. Our right to free speech is absolute. Too many good people have fought and died so we could speak our minds free of retribution. I spent ten years myself in the military. My father fought in WWII and Korea, my brother was in Viet Nam. I had cousins killed in the Gulf Wars.
If I were to back down and not speak my mind, I believe I would be dishonoring my relatives sacrifices and well as my service.
We have a right to say what we think and believe without fear. We have a right to debate and say what we honestly think.
I hope this individual does get the death penalty. You can't let individuals like this enjoy life when they've taken it from another.Mike, I get where you’re coming from—I can’t say that over the past day I didn’t feel many of the same emotions. I was with friends last night, some Democrats and some Republicans, and I just sat and listened. What I saw was hate pouring out from one side. Two close friends nearly came to blows, and one even raised a hand to slap the other. The anger had no boundaries, and it was chilling. I am an honest woman, and I see no hope whatsoever that true mending will come. In my view, the hate is clearly coming from one side, it’s obvious at every turn.
You make mention that we should not back down, that we must use free speech. But I have to ask, do you honestly believe your words here have changed a single mind? Have you even taken the time to read through this thread? Some of these posts should tell you plain as day, you cannot change minds. We are facing a true phenomenon, and where it ends I do not know. What I do know is this: when we give a forum to those steeped in hate, we are not helping, we are only giving that hate more room to grow.
Yes, there are conversations that could be had to truly delve into causes, or into real political events. But you see where those threads head, almost without fail, by the second comment it’s nothing more than a Trump-bashing session. So I ask again, do you really think we should be feeding into this? In my view, I have no reason to defend the President in most cases, because what’s being shared by some is nothing but ridiculous rhetoric, wild conspiracy, and empty fodder.
I’m also not sure I see your point regarding engaging with people who only seek to argue and belittle the President nonstop. That mindset is not healthy, and at this point, I am done with those back-and-forth exchanges that go nowhere but feed someone’s hate. My hope is that we can continue to have the kind of meaningful conversations we’ve always shared, the kind that actually build understanding rather than destroy it. Friend, I have stepped out of the mud.
A young, wonderful man was killed because of hate. I’d bet most here have never even heard him speak—yet some still defamed him. The saddest part is this: they did it simply because they could."But I have to ask, do you honestly believe your words here have changed a single mind?"
I think changing minds is not the issue. Having the freedom to express an opinion about what I think and believe is the issue.
I know what you mean. I've made some of my wife's relative leave my home when they didn't like my political views and became threatening.
It all doesn't matter. We can't back down from the left despite their violence in the face of opposing political speech. This would dishonor so many who have gone before us and sacrificed so we could freely state our beliefs.
I refuse to let the left's use of political violence take that away."I think changing minds is not the issue. Having the freedom to express an opinion about what I think and believe is the issue." Mike
Mike, I understand your point about freedom of expression, and I respect that. But I want to ask you to consider something: do long, back-and-forth argumentative chats actually accomplish anything? Take the very thread you’re engaged in right now. It started as a discussion about the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, yet it quickly shifted into blaming Trump for all the violence we see today.
Do you honestly think that in this exchange you’ve changed anyone’s mind here? Have you broken through to anyone, or is it more likely that the ongoing back-and-forth has only fed into the narrative being shared—creating more heat than light?
Perhaps it would be wise to choose conversations where you can truly be heard, rather than those where the dynamic only leads to repetition, diversion, and baiting.
I ask this not to silence you, but to challenge both of us to consider whether we’re contributing to understanding, or just fueling the cycle of conflict.
" We can't back down from the left despite their violence in the face of opposing political speech. This would dishonor so many who have gone before us and sacrificed so we could freely state our beliefs." Mike
We need not back down, and in truth, we need not do much at all anymore. Mike, they have buried themselves, we had to do very little. The Democratic Party is all but finished, yet they continue down the same destructive path. It’s surprising that more don’t take note. They are finished, by their own actions, by their ideologies, by their senseless words, and by their lack of empathy even in the face of a man’s death, a man so many loved.
I have concluded- they have dug too deep a hole to ever dig out of.
At this point, they do not need you or me to spell out what we see. It is clear to many now—many have already turned away.
I can’t say for certain if we’ll see more violence from the left, but it’s clear they are backed into a corner, and their anger is growing. Sadly, this only serves to open more eyes to what the left truly offers: my way, or no way.
I will add that Americans instinctively reject the message of “my way or no way.” The more the left pushes it, the more obvious it becomes that their approach alienates, divides, and drives people away."do long, back-and-forth argumentative chats actually accomplish anything?"
The people who participate in the chats aren't the only ones who read them. There are people who feel the way I do and don't want to involve themselves. I feel I am their voice in such chats.
I believe it's important to continue to point out the things the left does. The hope is that some day they will confront their behavior and own it.
The left needs to change and will only do so when they hit rock bottom. They are pretty close.
I have a friend who is a democrat and keeps telling me, "Well, my side of the party doesn't agree with that..."
He's right.
I believe we have to keep talking with the left. We must continue to engage in political discourse with them. It's the only way to change things.
It may not seem as if anybody's opinion is changing. But, providing a way to prove your point can help people understand the reason for your beliefs. This could cause them to reevaluate their own.More people are working on fodder to blame Trump for Kirk’s death. Come on, Mike, it’s clear they will blame Trump for everything, no matter what.
My main point remains: we need not back down, and in truth, we need not do much at all anymore. Mike, they have buried themselves; we had to do very little. The Democratic Party is all but finished, yet they continue down the same destructive path. It’s surprising that more don’t take note. They are finished, by their own actions, their ideologies, their senseless words, and their lack of empathy even in the face of a man’s death, a man so many loved.
These endless back-and-forths only fuel a form of hate. They create the space for the innocent to be defamed, for “what ifs” and conspiracy theories to take hold. You only need to look at where this thread has gone so far to see it.
I again give you credit. I shared my view this morning, and at this point, I will simply walk away. I will catch up with you, perhaps on another thread that draws my interest.
"They need to stop labeling people as Nazis and fascists who speak a truth that makes them feel uncomfortable. "
Does this apply to Trump's speech also?? The manner in which he depicts democrats, people on the left, the names he calls?Gee, you do realize when you speak of President Donald Trump you're talking about a man who survived assassination attempts on his life by those on the left?
He has some personal experience with the violence of the left.AGAIN...
Does this apply to Trump's speech also?? The manner in which he depicts democrats, people on the left, the names he calls? The labels he places, the generalizations he makes?
You are simultaneously calling for people to stop labeling... BUT JUSTIFYING TRUMP'S USE OF LABELINGI think President Donald Trump has been called a Nazi, Fascist, Hitler, more than just a few times by those on the left. This has led to attempts on his life.
democrats have not had to face such politically motivated attacks.AGAIN...
Does this apply to Trump's speech also?? The manner in which he depicts democrats, people on the left, the names he calls? The labels he places, the generalizations he makes?
Is that ok?And yet, nobody on the left has been assassinated or had an attempt on their life.
Isn't that interesting?
Shocker... EVERYTHING Republicans said in the last couple of days was WRONG. They need to apologize to Democrats and to America, STARTING WITH TRUMP! And it gets worse...
The ammo used was stamped “TRN” because it was manufactured by the bullet manufacture Turan.
And a MAGA saw the “TRN” stamp, and since they apparently think about trans people all day every day, they ran with the LIE that "TRN" stood for "trans ideology" for half a day.
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox confirmed that the writings on bullet casings of Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, said:
- "Notices bulges, OWO what's this?"
- "Hey Fascist! Catch!"
- "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao"
- "If you read this you are gay LMAO"You need to provide some proof.
A meme isn't proof.
I agree with this...
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox confirmed that the writings on bullet casings of Charlie Kirk's killer, Tyler Robinson, said:
- "Notices bulges, OWO what's this?"
- "Hey Fascist! Catch!"
- "Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao"
- "If you read this you are gay LMAO"Family & Regional Context
• He grew up in Washington County, Utah—a region where the LDS Church has a strong presence.
• His father, Matt Robinson, is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department, a role often associated with community ties in Utah.
• A minister reportedly helped facilitate his surrender to law enforcement, which may suggest some connection to religious networks.
Social Media & Cultural Signals
• His mother’s social media shows a family engaged in traditional Utah activities like fishing, gun range visits, and family vacations.
• No explicit references to LDS missions, church attendance, or doctrinal beliefs have surfaced in public reporting.
So while there’s no direct evidence confirming his religious affiliation, it wouldn’t be surprising if he had some exposure to Mormon culture growing up in southern Utah"His father, Matt Robinson, is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department, a role often associated with community ties in Utah."
Wow!
Can you imagine being veteran of a Sheriff's Department and having a child accused of the assassination of Charlie Kirk? I can only imagine this man is crushed beyond words.
"A minister reportedly helped facilitate his surrender to law enforcement"
Can you imagine the kind of discussion this was? The minister was telling this young man, age 22, to turn himself in and face the death penalty.
This story is so heavy.Neighbors of the Robinson family told USA TODAY that they attended the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, whose members are colloquially known as Mormons...she said she watched the boys grow up and often crossed paths with the family at church and school events.
He apparently wasn't very political. He was registered as non-affiliated, or whatever they call that in Utah. He also hadn't voted in at least the last two cycles.
My bet is it was Kirk's vitriol and hate that pushed him over the edge.
BREAKING: Donald Trump's niece Mary Trump enrages MAGA world by sharing the cold hard truth that her uncle is responsible for the "political violence" that he is desperately trying to blame on Democrats.
We won't allow these fascists to gaslight us...
"Political violence and the rhetoric that drives it are almost entirely on the side of the Republican Party, and no person is more responsible for it than Donald Trump,” Mary wrote on her Substack.
"Facing that truth does not mean rejoicing in what happened to Charlie Kirk. Quite the opposite: It means coming to terms with what is driving the political violence in America today," she wrote.
President Trump exploited the assassination of right-wing demagogue Charlie Kirk earlier this week by calling him a "martyr" and blaming the "radical left" even though the identity of the shooter wasn't known at the time. Even now, it's the killer's motive and political beliefs are unknown. Trump doesn't care. He saw an opportunity to sow division and he seized it.
Mary pointed out that Democratic lawmakers rushed to condemn Kirk's shooting while Republicans have sought to turn it to their political advantage by blaming Democrats and journalists. Comparatively, when Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home, conservatives celebrated and mocked the horrifying incident, with Donald Trump himself even joining in. Republicans demand an endless supply of empathy from liberals but provide none themselves.
"Donald has almost single-handedly created the conditions in which his grievance, his vengeance, and his cruelty extend to anybody that supports him," Mary Trump continued. "Anybody who opposes him or stands up to him or simply doesn’t support him is his enemy and is therefore not worthy of protection. Worse, they are considered legitimate targets of abuse or revenge, cruelty or violence."
"He has incited violence against his perceived political enemies as well as against his own government and then pardoned those who committed it on his behalf," she went on. "This is not a 'both sides issue.' This is not a moment when we put aside our differences to come to some agreed upon notion about how to move beyond this. With Donald Trump and those who support, enable, and capitulate to him in power that would be impossible."
"We have arrived here in large part because this country has been purposefully and maliciously divided against itself because of the rhetoric coming from Donald Trump and the Republican Party," she added.
She went on to quote Kirk's own now-viral words. The MAGA demagogue said that the price of an "armed citizenry" is a certain number of guns deaths.
"But I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," said Kirk. "That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.”
Mary Trump empathetically but forcefully addressed his words—
"Well, unfortunately, the universe we live in is a universe created by people who actually think that guns in our society are more important than the lives of the people living in it," she wrote. "Unfortunately, we live in a universe in which violence, political or otherwise, has been normalized by one party and one party only. The Democrats should condemn what happened today. Any decent right-thinking person should condemn what happened today."
"But we are missing the point, we are, indeed, missing an opportunity if we do not take the tragedy that unfolded today as permission to start a broader conversation about how we got here, who's responsible, and quite frankly what the hell we are going to do about it," she concluded.What I see here is a relative of the President of the United State desperately trying to do something to make herself relevant.
Without being related to President Donald Trump nobody would pay any attention to her.
It seems she is more than a bit jealous of the success of President Donald Trump.
What a shame.
I do agree with this...
"we are, indeed, missing an opportunity if we do not take the tragedy that unfolded today as permission to start a broader conversation about how we got here, who's responsible, and quite frankly what the hell we are going to do about it,"She is a bonified clinical psycoholgist... You have the opportunity to prove her wrong. Take it or leave it.
Yeah,
But, when you read about her she has some real anger issues toward her family concerning her homosexuality. She claims how she had to hide it for years, her family's homophobia, etc. She really has nothing good to say about anyone in her family.
She can provide her opinion. As far as I'm concerned, it's just an opinion.
In my opinion, there is a bit of jealously on her part concerning the success of President Donald Trump. I believe that, combined with her lack of any real success, motivates some of her responses.If I her, I would drop her homophobic family to, they are poison.
LOL, why would she need to that? I guess you know nothing about her. Typical.
"I think President Donald Trump has been called a Nazi, Fascist, Hitler, more than just a few times by those on the left. This has led to attempts on his life.
OH MY....
Well here he is calling Kamala Harris A FASCIST ON 4 OCCASIONS... Using your logic I guess it's just lucky that it didn't lead to attempts on her life, right???
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1966636813809799385
I don't know if anyone watched the link I put in this thread with Bill Maher and Kirk...
The best part was when they delineated the Left from Woke... the Liberal from the Extremist.
Woke is an ideology... a psychopathy... an illness.
We have mentioned Mental Illness on this and other threads recently...
The Ukrainian girl brutally murdered on a train by a arrested-multiple-times person described as having a Mental Illness...
The Woke has embraced Mental Illness as normal, pushes it into our schools and society to be accepted... Transgender is a Mental Illness... Pedophilia is a Mental Illness and more, as reprehensible a crime as can be done, IMO... this is what Woke is trying to make acceptable.
This is what the Woke MSNBC champions every day... while labeling anyone trying to stand up against their insanity as racist, sexist, a fascist.
We all need to stand up... Liberal Democrat... Conservative Republican... and take our schools, our media, our Nation back from this twisted, evil ideology... and name it for what it is... Evil... illegal... immoral... wrong.
There are not 72 sexes... there are 2... and those who can't identify as one or the other are mentally ill.
There is no room in our society to be tolerant or accepting of grown adults that want to have sex with children, infants.
There is no room in our society for mutilating children, or giving them hormone blockers.
Criminals... especially those harming others, who have proven themselves violent, need to be treated as such... not as 'victims'... not as 'mentally ill'. They need to be treated exactly for what they are... threats to society... potential or proven murderers that have no business being free on the streets.
There is a lot that needs to be changed... the rhetoric from the last two Presidents has gone overboard in creating the divide, in escalating the vitriol... but one side is pushing for sanity on the whole... and the other is pushing for the acceptance of insanity, acceptance of the unacceptable.
And that is ultimately what the Majority of Americans need to decide on... a return to sanity, law, order... or a complete collapse into 3rd world realities and insanities.So, Sharlee, how much rage should the Left have toward the Right, in return?
"They need to stop labeling people as Nazis and fascists who speak a truth that makes them feel uncomfortable.
Oh yes, just saying mean things about trump doesn't cause violence, as JD Vance can surely attest to....
https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/1967211738950172973Oh, this is just pathetic.
How convenient you didn't post the response of JD Vance.
Let me know when the honestly level goes up to posting the entire interview including the response of JD Vance.
Posting segments that only support the left agenda is disingenuous at best.Vance said what he said...
Called Trump cultural heroine, said people were idiots who voted for him and called him America's Hitler...lol I don't give a shit if he backtracked on those statements later... Did he lie when he originally said it or did he lie later on when he flipped??We'll never know as you've chosen not to post his response to the questions asked of him during the interview.
When I saw IB thread, I thought it was meant to be a thread to share one's thoughts and memories of Charlie. As is witnessed by my first post. I see it has become a bit more. But hey, it has turned into a war zone, as most threads do here. Really, makes me think---
The man said a lot of very divisive things.... It's also a little unsettling for many of us that this regime seems to be elevating the man to Saint Hood.
Free speech, they say.
GOP’s Higgins seeks ‘ban for life’ of social media users celebrating Kirk’s shooting
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) on Thursday said he will seek to have social media companies place lifetime bans on users who celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the conservative activist shot Wednesday while speaking on the campus of Utah Valley University.
“I’m going to use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk,” Higgins wrote in a post on the social platform X.
“If they ran their mouth with their smarta– hatred celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man who dedicated his whole life to delivering respectful conservative truth into the hearts of liberal enclave universities, armed only with a Bible and a microphone and a Constitution… those profiles must come down,” he added.
Higgins said he will go further than social media bans in targeting those who expressed happiness about Kirk’s death.
“I’m also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked,” he added in his Thursday post.
“I’m basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk’s assassination. I’m starting that today. That is all.”Charlie simply asked his audience to prove him wrong.
He couldn't be proved wrong & so he was eliminated, via a political assassination.
Yes, if someone celebrated his death on social media, ban them for life from social media. No-brainer!
Charlie Kirk Breaks Down His Talk With Bill Maher on the 'Club Random' Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD1uH1Oy5_s
Uncut - Unedited:
Charlie Kirk | Club Random
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OblCcO7-Alg
You SHOULD watch them and THEN form an opinion.
If you don't, you are just a mouthpiece regurgitating someone else's opinion and haven't taken the time to use your critical thinking skills to form your own.Just one person speaking his mind on this tragedy... but worth the watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBccOjmFkQkSensationalist media, Ken, you can cull the internet for all sorts of trash and find what you are looking for to support your claims. This is neither authoritative nor representative.
Not sensationalist... Heartfelt.
Not authoritative... Representative of a growing sentiment of the majority.
Not trash... A message reaching millions.
This is a man who created a channel for people trying to learn how to trade stocks, create online business... He is watched by more people than CNN has tune in to watch their biased 'trash'.Ken,
I am so disgusted by those on the left actually celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. It's not just an isolated incident here or there. Many people on the left are doing this.
Laura Ingram asked today, "What is wrong with these people?" Are they ignorant, stupid, or just plain evil.
I'm going to go with just plain evil.
I agree that the left has now crossed a line. There is more heartfelt determination to confront those on the left than ever before. They were ignored by us and tolerated by us for too long. Now, their violence has moved beyond words.
They won't stop us as they didn't stop Charlie Kirk. His death is strong proof that the left is losing and losing big time. They can't win debates because their beliefs and values are based on nothing but punishing the victim and praising the criminal and making everyone a victim of something.
The left will come to regret the day they took out Charlie Kirk. His message and those who believed in what he stood for are going to multiply is ways that should scare them.Mike,
How did the right, even the GOP congress, make light of the assault on Pelosi’s husband in San Francisco?
I did not see a flood of tears from the right regarding the assassination of the Minnesota senator and her husband.
Just two examples and there are many more.
I believe that the chickens have come home to roost, I am willing to bet that the assailant was a right wing type, are not all of them? The serpent gnawing at its own tail.
Your people have long since “crossed the line”
Rest assured that this “war” will be one that you will start and it is far from over."The left will come to regret the day they took out Charlie Kirk.
Let me give some advice from future you...
"We'll soon know if he could have been radicalized by the left online.
The venom spewed on HP discussion boards is indicative of the expediential division among Americans with differing views.
I've lost track of how many times I've "shaken the dust off my feet" and walked away, only to be drawn back in a futile attempt to make a difference.
It's like the old movie, "War Games". The only way to win is not to play.
Look at how few still participate. Shame on us.Shar,
The governor of Utah pointed out that after the murder of Charlie Kirk there was no rioting. There was no violence or destruction of property. No sections of cities were destroyed and taken over.
There were quite a few prayer vigils and people talking to one another about the hurt and pain they were feeling.
THIS is a big difference. The left handles things that upset them by destruction. The right handles things by praying and talking.This kind of rhetoric is crossing the line... I'm going to ask you to stop generalizing. You are stereotyping. More importantly, you know absolutely zero, nothing about the motive of this individual.
I saw how the left handled George Floyd. How many billions of dollars did those riots cost?
That's the history of the left. Those on the left need to own their violent behavior before they can change it.
"More importantly, you know absolutely zero, nothing about the motive of this individual."
I'm sure he didn't go there to engage in a peaceful debate with Charlie Kirk.
This is from the left-wing media Daily Beast
"Charlie Kirk Sniper’s Ammo Has ‘Trans Ideology and Anti-Fascist’ Engravings: Cops"
Bullets recovered after Charlie Kirk’s assassination were engraved with “transgender and antifascist ideology,” a law enforcement source told The Wall Street Journal.
Citing “an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation,” the paper reported that the ammunition was found inside a .30 caliber hunting rifle that was ditched in a wooded area at Utah Valley University, where the conservative activist was shot dead as he spoke at an event.
The Journal’s sources said the rifle was wrapped in a towel “with a spent cartridge still in the chamber.” Three unspent rounds were in the magazine, “all with wording on them.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-k … ings-cops/
Trans ideology and Antifa sayings engraved on shells in the rifle used to kill Charlie Kirk.
I think it's safe to say this individual wasn't a member of the right wing.
Maybe the left should stop condoning violence and their violent rhetoric.
I've posted enough videos of leftists from MSNBC to those with Tick Tock and Instagram accounts celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. This speaks volumes about those on the left.
Heck, nobody lives in Utah… it is a place you don’t go to, but go through.
You do realize this was a huge national story,
Throughout the country there were no riots.
There were prayer vigils.
That is the big difference between the left and the right.
We saw how the left handled George Floyd.I think the majority of Americans understand this...
But there is that 30% more or less that does not want to see it... or does not care to... or is part of the spread of hate, anarchy, and disruption.
You can't pick and choose what you allow to shape your opinions... if you watch CNN or read the NY Times... FOX and Breitbart... you have to tune it out completely... only then are you really free of allowing them to shape your perspective and opinions.
Few if any in this forum do that.
You may ask yourself... well what do you let influence your opinions and perspectives Ken?
Everything and Nothing... most certainly not any American media.
For example, while some on here probably spent an hour today watching CNN or FOX talk about the Kirk assassination... I watched this:
The Greatest Power Shift in Centuries — The End of Western Dominance｜Kishore Mahbubani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xC0ycoFOMw
Very insightful, very informative, greatly helps me to understand what is going on with the world. Far more time worthy, IMO, than listening to talking heads blather about whose fault it is that Kirk was murdered.
Just saying... stop letting those news sources feed your dislike/hatred of others.You and RMN completely ignored my reply. I buy you books and what do you do? You tear the pages out of them.
I watched your link, interesting.
Short of war, this development will continue, what can be done about it besides trump intimidating allies and saber rattling, otherwise?Missed this earlier ...but a great question.
I'm not sure anything can be done ...I was fairly certain Biden was in China's back pocket and when you look at the totality of events that occurred during Biden's four years, things couldn't have gone better for China and worse for America and the EU.
Nations that were once allies were scared into the arms of BRICS... The seizing of Russian assets, the sanctions, the war effort... Nations said to themselves if America can do that to Russia... What will stop them from dng that to us?
Once that ball got rolling down hill and nations started lining up to join BRICS there is no stopping it... Not by force or threats.
By becoming a better nation...stop the proxy wars ...rebuild our ability to build and manufacture what we need so we are not dependent on China or other nations...
Let China become the heavy on the global stage, right now America looks like the bad guy after toplling half the nations in the Middle East and fighting a war on Russia's border.
"THIS is a big difference. The left handles things that upset them by destruction. The right handles things by praying and talking.
Praying and talking? Is that what was going on at the Capitol on j6? OK...."Capitol on j6?"
You have nothing.
Every time you mention January 6th the George Floyd riots should be mentioned. BILLIONS of dollars in destruction, cities burned, over 30 people shot.
The left owns this intense level of violence. This is the left.Were they praying and conversing in the capitol that day? Just a bunch of tourists meandering their way through?
And you bring up the violence that occurred during Floyd protests as if I would defend it or I'm supposed to defend it LOL....
But go on and keep defending the j6ers... Holding a peaceful prayer vigil.Supporters who traveled to the Capital grounds were supporting their duly elected president. Injustice on this level is more than a little irritating. Unfortunately, Antifa spurred them on. And others urged them to enter the building. One cannot deny members of Antifa incited more aggression than there would have been.
PS "In November 2024, Trump was elected president, having repeatedly vowed during his campaign to pardon the rioters. Upon his inauguration on January 20, 2025, he did so, erasing the convictions of all but 14 of about 1,270 people. The remaining 14 people, though their convictions stood, were eligible for immediate release from prison, as he commuted their sentences to 'time served.'
PSS/ FYI The U.S. Capitol is open to the public for tours Monday – Saturday from 8:30 a.m. – 4:30 p.m. It is closed on Sundays, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and Inauguration Day.
("Inauguration Day is a quadrennial legal holiday in the District of Columbia and neighboring parts of Maryland and Virginia, observed when the President and the Vice President are sworn into office on January 20. If January 20 falls on a Sunday, Inauguration Day is observed on January 21.")Supporting their president by beating and bear spraying the police? Okay, got it
I beg your pardon, I sure hope you were being sarcastic or satirical - they were NOT supporting their duly elected president - that was Biden. They and Trump were committing an insurrection.
Antifa wasn't even there, just right-wing MAGA insurrectionists!
Trump, with his pardon proved ONCE AGAIN he has no respect for the law by abusing his powers.
And NO, inauguration day IS NOT a legal holiday for 99.99% of Americans. It is ONLY a holiday for federal employees.
We are all glad that this man was captured. Now let’s find out about his motives for the attack.
Hopefully you can catch this morning's press conference. It answers your question.
Except for the being willing to kill or do violence part, his 'motive' sounds a lot like your posts: more radicalized in recent years, nothing but hate for opposing views.
You earned that bud. At least a couple of us have been trying to tell you that for a couple of years. Buds don't throw away a decade of enjoyable interaction without at least trying to save it.
Surely you will point a finger at a legitimate reason for your hate, I'm just trying to get you to see the three fingers pointing back at yourself.
No malice, no condemnation (this time), and no hate Bud, just trying to wake-up the old Cred. ;-)
GAI missed the press conference, but I will pick up on the latest at my earliest opportunity.
Yes, GA, things are not the same. Back in the day when I lived in Hawaii and made your acquaintance just as well be a century ago. Obama was President and you were just right of center and I was left of center. We were talking about purple.
Since then, the schism between ideological positions among our citizens has gone from a fissure to a chasm, that has had a profound effect on my positions and points of view. Now seeing the maniacal Right as breaking every rule of Constitutional governance and promoting a new form of racism, that I once thought was behind us.
There is a change and I can’t apologize for it. Trump is the random element in the equation that compels me to take on a deeper shade of blue than in the past. Trump and his policies, inclinations and the revelation as to how many are indifferent to them, has me doubling down as was not the case Pre-Trump. Why is it hate to not identify a racist for what he is? Yes, I oppose the murder of Kirk, as I oppose the murder of anyone as it is against the law. But, I lack any concern for this man beyond that, and he has earned it. Mr. Charlie Kirk has been a promoter of intolerance and strident racist views. I did not have someone like this thrust at the top of Conservative politics before. While not gloating, why should I grieve the passing of such a man? So many of you try to conceal the true nature of this man, but I read “the papers”, so I know. I will have to say that in every dark cloud there is a silver lining. Anything that stops and impedes the Trump regime is positive at this point now. In my world, racism and intolerance is not debatable, is it so difficult to understand where that comes from?
As long as Trump remains, I have to be just as strident as this new Trumpian Right has become.
No hard feelings toward you or any of your ideological kindred, but it is now a duel to the death keeping the clock from being turned back toward an era of subjugation and mistreatment, and you know what, you certainly do not want a piece of this.
Patel: This is what happens when you let good cops be cops
Huh???
He had a 40-hour head start and never left the area... HIS FATHER LITERALLY TURNED HIM IN.
Patel taking credit for catching the killer of Kirk is embarrassing at best. But also giving credit to Pam and Todd blanche? What the hell? His family turned him in...An hour before Tyler Robinson was arrested, Trump was on Fox News adding fuel to the fire. "The radical left are the problem. They're vicious and they're horrible."
Not a uniter.
He's a divider.He's telling the truth. It may be uncomfortable for the left, but it is the truth.
The radical left is vicious and horrible. They ARE the problem.Yikes.... So I suppose using your logic, the murderer of Melissa Hortman and her husband represent maga? All of maga? Represents every Republican, everywhere?
Did the guy who bashed Nancy Pelosi's husband's head with a hammer, does he represent you? Using your logic, he represents maga, he represents Republicans...
The man who set the governor of Pennsylvania's home on fire... I suppose he represents you also??There is no real analogy here.
It doesn't seem as if Vance Bolter's motivations were political in the death of Melissa Hortman. They have yet to release a letter he wrote concerning his motivations. He was actually appointed to a board by Tim Waltz.
The guy who bashed Nancy Pelosi's husband had no political motivations.WOW... I would suggest you do a little more research or actually do the research... I do it and post it but honestly it'd be a waste of time..
That idiot makes inflammatory statements without the slightest evidence of where this man’s political affiliations lie.
It is funny how right wingers on this forum always tell me to wait until an investigation is concluded, should they not take their own advice?Since President Donald Trump has had two attempts on his life and has constantly been called, "Nazi," Fascist," "Hitler."
I think he is quite right in saying "The radical left are the problem. They're vicious and they're horrible."
I consider this to be the truth.You believe Trump, i don’t. I wait for evidence from trusted sources before I come to an conclusion
You should question those 'trusted sources' and consider them with the same distrust that you have for Trump.
Just a suggestion.I will give it to you, perhaps news sources that are not domestic may provide the objective news that you say is missing in mainstream American media, but I don’t trust right wing media either. So, i have to go to sources that have nothing to gain by taking sides in these matters.
THAT might be something worth a try.Beautiful... wonderful idea. Truly.
Yes, I am biased, we all are... I just don't let FOX stoke those biases further.
Use YouTube... use Google or whatever Search engine you prefer...
Pick a topic... totally outside of American politics per se...
IE ... I type into YouTube: "latest BRICS news"
India's Jaishankar's Brutal Response To Trump At BRICS: ‘System Is FAILING US’ |India Calls For...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBVS5yGxTmA
Do Trump's tariffs push BRICS nations closer together? | DW News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUPcphqbAS4
Something new right?
Or business related... the recent Genius Act for example:
Trump Just Signed the “Genius Act” - What Your Bank Won’t Tell You About Stablecoins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6irRsp4sSvk
We lost 4 years, but the U.S. is back in the stablecoin game, says Coinbase's Faryar Shirzad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5QSLXqizzc
Pick a topic you are interested in and go... stop letting CNN or Salon set the topic(s) simmering on the brain.Pick a topic you are interested in and go... stop letting CNN or Salon set the topic(s) simmering on the brain.
I wont go so far as to do that, I will consider other sources a bit more intently to see if information from my preferred information source is corroborated with publications that can be considered neutral…You can't be partially pregnant ...you are or you aren't.
You either quit smoking or you don't... Cutting back to a pack a week is still smoking and getting all the damage it causes.
The main stream media does not control what I think about... does not stoke my anger or outrage... Does not consume my thoughts.
Because I never tune in to any of it.
I don't ignore what is going on ... obviously... But I am more interested in staying on top of issues to keep me from living in a cardboard box on the streets than I am what Trump says today that pisses ______ (fill in the blank) off.
I'll grant you I was very concerned with Biden and said so often... From the Ukraine war to bringing in millions of migrants undocumented and unchecked to making Trans a protected minority and pushing aside women's interests and safety in the process to... Yeah... I had issues with him...
But FOX didn't stir my concerns further...
Nor did any other 'right wing' media...
In fact my stance on the Ukraine war probably went against Right and Left positions...
I believe what I believe... I don't need FOX to tell me what I should think about Biden...
And you don't need Salon and CNN to tell you what to believe about Trump.
Why? I know those sources tell the Truth. Trump always lies.
Trump, stoking division spreading vitriol & doing his best to divide the Country into an US v versus THEM... A true leader would be acting to bring the temperature down. But no, Trump is a petty man.
All those statements are correct. Regardless if it is appropriate in your opinion that Trump make such a statement.
America has Trump as President in REACTION to things the majority are fed up with and will not accept.Ken, President Trump gave not one, but two heartfelt condolences. He was the one who broke the news to our nation. Still, the statement in question, in my view, fully reflects my own sentiment. Charlie’s wife will be speaking this evening, and I believe she will show mercy, the very same mercy Charlie himself would have shared.
Not sure, Ken, how anyone who respected Charlie could respond to comments such as what I have seen on this thread. I mean, why lower oneself?Heartfelt? Divisive rhetoric... The man is unfit for the office of the President
https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1965951671332188561Trump is not your typical politician... he is not groomed for the decorum of polite discourse nor international affairs.
He is not John F Kennedy. Kennedy spoke eloquently and with deliberateness in his words, he was practically a political poet... he had strong convictions, he had served during wartime.
Yet in many ways Trump is fighting the same battles that Kennedy did, he is fighting a government system (a Deep State) one that might kill him, one that probably has tried more than once to do just that.
He is facing tumultuous times on the world stage... as dangerous and severe as what Kennedy faced with the Cuban Missile Crisis and the threat of a Cold War going hot... there are powers beyond Trumps control moving the world into WWIII escalating the tensions and conflicts... and I am not sure Trump is capable of maneuvering America successfully through those waters like Kennedy did... but he most assuredly is better than if Biden or Harris had continued steering the ship.
Trump is trying to salvage a Nation that was set-up to fail... economically... geo-politically... and internally as we have seen the court system abused and the media smear his every move... almost every act by the Biden Administration was one that tightened the noose around America's neck.
The chances of Trump's success are 50 / 50 at best... the Tariffs... the GENIUS Act... the efforts to restore Law and Order and deport the cartel members and criminal gangs... its all an uphill battle with the bulk of the American media and body politic (especially within the DC belt, NY and CA) working against his every effort.
BRICS is a very real problem for the American economy on the horizon.
Being tied to the EU is like being tied to the Seven Dwarves... aged, incapable and infirm dwarves at that... America is more handicapped by them than strengthened.
China alone is equal to the EU economically and in terms of global power and influence... and that is being kind... truly.
And thanks to Biden shoving Russia fully into China and India's arms by cutting it's ties to the EU... severing the EU's access to cheap and affordable energy and raw resources... the end of the EU being significant on the global stage is very near.
Nations of the EU are delusional at this time... in the extreme... dangerously so... they think themselves relevant when they are not... they think they have the power and right to dictate to Russia and China when they do not... they openly discuss war with Russia like there is a winning scenario for them... there isn't. How do you win against a country that can extinguish you ten times over with nukes?
Trump just said on Fox that radical right extremism is justified in response to the left. If he wanted to explicitly encourage the right to wage violent open warfare on the left as payback for Kirk, he couldn't have done much better than that...
Just look in the mirror.
Political Violence & Extremism
• Charlottesville Rally (2017): A white nationalist rally turned deadly when a counter-protester was killed by a car attack. The event spotlighted far-right extremism and racial animus.
• January 6 Capitol Riot (2021): Thousands of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election results. The attack led to deaths, injuries, and widespread condemnation.
• Targeting of Abortion Clinics: Over decades, some far-right extremists have bombed clinics, murdered providers, and harassed patients—actions condemned even by many conservatives.
Rhetoric & Dehumanization
• Demonizing Opponents: Right-wing media figures have compared political adversaries to Nazis, pedophiles, or traitors—language that can fuel real-world violence.
• Anti-LGBTQ+ Legislation & Speech: Some right-wing lawmakers and influencers have pushed laws that restrict LGBTQ+ rights, often accompanied by inflammatory rhetoric that paints queer people as threats to children or society.
Policy Decisions with Harmful Consequences
• Family Separation at the Border (2018): The Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy led to thousands of children being separated from their parents, sparking global outrage.
• Voter Suppression Tactics: Critics argue that laws passed in Republican-led states—like strict voter ID requirements or reduced polling access—disproportionately harm minority voters.
Incendiary Calls to Action
• “We Have to Be Vicious”: Trump recently said that to fight urban crime, “we have to be vicious, just like they are”—a statement some interpret as a green light for retaliatory violence.
• Post-Kirk Assassination Rhetoric: After Charlie Kirk’s murder, some right-wing figures called for “revenge” and labeled the left as “the party of murder”, escalating tensions rather than cooling them.
If you are rooting for a murderer to be a member of a specific group you're already mad at for culture war reasons, go outside. Breathe . Look at some trees.
TRUMP: "The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem."
HIS INSISTENCE ON BLAMING THE OTHER SIDE FOR ALL POLITICAL VIOLENCE IS ONE MAJOR REASON OUR COUNTRY IS SO DIVIDED....
https://x.com/sirDukeDevin/status/1966482024387998123It would be much simpler if some folks would just post that they really don't give a shit about violence that's perpetrated toward liberal folks... Only right-wing folks. It's crystal clear and it's gross...
Yup. The combination between the gun culture and obvious mental health problems in the US is getting more dangerous every day.
Plus, the social and political polarization doesnt help.How are we on the right supposed to deal with this and not believe the violence of the left.
"Boston University College Republicans call for security, accountability after Charlie Kirk assassination
Student leaders urge stronger protections, citing hostile online comments celebrating Kirk’s murder"
After the assassination of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk at a Utah campus event on Wednesday, conservative students at Boston University (BU) are calling on university leaders to protect them from violence or intimidation.
BU College Republicans Vice President Philip Wohltorf, who also works as a legislative aide in the Massachusetts State Senate, told Fox News Digital that Kirk’s death has left conservative students shaken.
"Universities are supposed to be marketplaces of ideas. If speakers or conservatives now have to worry about being shot or facing violence, then this marketplace closes," Wohltorf said.
The group sent a letter Thursday to BU President Melissa Gilliam asking the university to hold accountable students promoting violence in the wake of the tragedy and provide "appropriate security" for upcoming College Republican events. The letter also accused the university of fostering a culture where conservative students felt intimidated to share their views.
"At BU, conservative students have long been marginalized, silenced by fear of social intimidation, academic penalty or hostility," the students wrote. "Rather than fostering intellectual diversity, the university has allowed a single ideological perspective to dominate, leaving students of differing opinions isolated."
Wohltorf said he was dismayed to see comments from some students on social media forums like Reddit and Yik Yak celebrating Kirk’s death, calling the posts "disgusting."
"We may disagree with one another, but at the end of the day, we should talk rather than shooting people or committing violent acts," he said.
The club, which recently began publicizing its meeting times, now fears openness could make it a target.
"We want to make sure this stays a safe space for our members," Wohltorf said, adding that some students have already asked for security at their next meeting.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/boston-un … assinationDivisive...
During an appearance on "Fox & Friends," Trump was asked about the presence of radical individuals on both sides of the aisle and how it can be fixed to bring the country together....
"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime. Worried about the border. They're saying, We don't want these people coming in. We don't want you burning our shopping centers. We don't want you shooting our people in the middle of the street," Trump said.
"The radicals on the left are the problem," Trump continued, "and they're vicious and they're horrible..."
https://x.com/sirDukeDevin/status/1966482024387998123What a nasty, sorry-excuse of a man. Those who think THAT is a leader, a man who deserved and is capable of being president, are as despicable as him.
Mike, Credence, Willow, Island and others who live in the real word, It absolutely fascinates me how those under Donald Trump's spell cannot see the obvious. I listed many things that define Kirk and so did Credence. That is who he is and not this pure as the driven snow kind of guy the Trump apologists believe.
Here they are again to refresh your memory and also note, none of the denied what is to follow is totally true.
* On wives who keep their vote private from their husbands: “You have to ask, what else is she lying to him about? Is she stealing money?”
* “Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to God … [an] abomination.”
* The great replacement strategy … is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
* “America does not need more visas for people from India … [the U.S. is] full.”
* Referring to Leviticus 20:13 he described it as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.” What does Leviticus 20:13 say? If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
* “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people — that’s a fact.” That is NOT a fact, just hateful speech
* “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
* "Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America… Europe is now a conquered continent.”
From Credence:
Abortion
In a debate hosted by Jubilee Media, Kirk argued that there may be situations wherein abortion could be medically necessary if the mother's life is at risk. However, he also argued that abortion is murder and should be illegal. He opposed exceptions for rape.[78]
Gun rights and the Second Amendment
Kirk was a gun owner and gun rights advocate. After the Parkland shooting in February 2018, he spoke for the National Rifle Association in Parkland, Florida.[79][80] Kirk was invited by a student to a pro-gun event in the school where the shooting happened, but the event was cancelled. He had said that guns, armed guards and gun detectors could be used in order to prevent shootings in schools and campuses.[81][82]
In an April 2023 Turning Point USA event in Salt Lake City, Utah, Kirk said: "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."[83][84][85]
Views on relationships and "sexual anarchy"
In October 2021, Kirk said on his podcast that Democrats wanted Americans to live where "there is no cultural identity, where you live in sexual anarchy, where private property is a thing of the past, and the ruling class controls everything." Following social media backlash, he released a statement on the website of the Claremont Institute doubling down on and expanding his remarks.[86][87][88]
According to Media Matters, at the TPUSA Young Women's Leadership Summit 2022 Conference, Kirk said that the "biblical model" for women to pursue in romantic relationships is a partner who is "a protector and a leader, and deep down, a vast majority of you agree" and that "if you want to go meet conservative men that have their act together, that aren't like, woke beta men, like, start a Turning Point USA chapter, you'll meet a lot of them."[89]
Kirk advocated for parents to never let their daughters receive prescriptions for birth control medication for any reason. He claimed that the medication makes women angry and bitter, which he alleged suited the political leanings of the Democratic Party.[90]
Anti-BDS laws
In May 2025, Kirk voiced opposition to a bipartisan proposal that would expand anti-Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions laws (BDS) punishing the boycott of Israel, saying, "We've allowed far too many people who hate America move here from abroad, but the right to speak freely is the birthright of all Americans."[91]
Race and Martin Luther King Jr.
Kirk said that the concept of white privilege is a myth and a "racist idea".[92][10][93] Kirk served on President Donald Trump's 1776 Commission, a response to the 1619 Project.[94] Assuming "more hard-right positions", he said that Democratic immigration policies were aimed at "diminishing and decreasing white demographics in America."[32][95] In October 2021, Kirk began the "Exposing Critical Racism Tour" of a number of campuses and off-campus venues to "fight racist theories on America's college campuses!"[96][97] On the Minnesota leg of the tour on October 5, 2021, Kirk called George Floyd a "scumbag" and appeared to refer to the January 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol when he said that "if you dare walk into the U.S. Capitol building and take a selfie, they'll put you in solitary confinement."[98] Kirk also promoted several debunked conspiracy theories about Floyd, such as that he was “illegally counterfeiting currency,” and had once “put a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach.”[98] On Facebook, YouTube and Rumble, Kirk repeatedly promoted the false claim that the medical examiner who performed the autopsy declared Floyd had died of an overdose. Following a fact check by AFP that noted the doctor stood by the classification of Floyd's death as a homicide, corrections were added to Kirk's posts on social media.[99]
In a November 2021 Fox News article, Kirk wrote that he believed state power should be used to stop teachers from instructing children on critical race theory: "directly confronting the left, and promising to fight their illiberal ideology with state power when necessary, is the key to winning everyday Americans."[100][101]
Kirk praised Martin Luther King Jr. prior to December 2023, variously calling him a "hero" and a "civil rights icon"; that December, however, he used a speech at AmericaFest to describe him as "awful ... not a good person" and as someone who is admired only because he "said one thing he didn't actually believe." The speech also saw Kirk condemn the Civil Rights Act of 1964, calling its passage a "huge mistake" and alleging that it had created a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy".[101] Kirk told The New York Times, "I take the Caldwellian view, from his book The Age of Entitlement, that we went through a new founding in the '60s and that the Civil Rights Act has actually superseded the U.S. Constitution as its reference point. In fact, I bet if you polled Americans, most of them would have more reverence for the Civil Rights Act than the Constitution. I could be wrong, but I think I'm right."[102] In January 2024, Kirk said that a "myth" had been created around King which had "grown totally out of control" and that King was currently "the most honored, worshiped, even deified person of the 20th century" despite "most people" supposedly disliking him during his life. Responding to accusations by Malcolm Kenyatta that he was working to undermine King and the Voting Rights Act, Kirk called this claim "a lie" and "fear-mongering", and added that telling the "truth" about King "should not be trampling sacred ground" since he was "just a man ... a very flawed one at that" and a "mythological anti-racist creation of the 1960s." Kirk later said he had "found the sacred cow of modern America" in criticizing King.[103]
Also in January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"[104][105][106] He had previously expressed opposition to DEI programs, describing them as "anti-White".[107] NBC News further reported that Kirk's comments about DEI programs and his comment about Black or African American airline pilots resulted in ongoing conflict with the Republican National Committee over outreach to Black voters.[28]
Kirk posted on Instagram in March 2024 that "The 'Great Replacement' is not a theory, it's a reality." Alongside this statement, Kirk shared a screenshot from a Fox News story headline that read; "7.2M illegals entered the U.S. under Biden admin[istration], an amount greater than population of 36 states."[108] After Elon Musk was widely criticized for endorsing an antisemitic post that referenced the Great Replacement Theory and blamed "Jewish communities" for supporting mass migration, Kirk defended Musk, stating that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them."[109] Kirk went on to say that it was "completely correct" that "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country", praising Tucker Carlson's statements on the issue.[110]
Isn't it strange there is total silence from the right on this - it pretty much proves they live in a make-believe world.
I realize they won't respond to these TRUTHS either and that is because there is no reasonable response.
Here are a few more for good measure proving this guy is sick. And while I lament his death, I don't lament the death of his vile, hate-filled message to our nations youth;
* Jul 13, 2023 — on prominent Black women:
“You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously… You had to go steal a white person’s slot.” (Said while naming Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.)
* Dec 8, 2022 — on Brittney Griner vs. Paul Whelan:
“If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States Marine?”
* Apr 8, 2022 — on LGBTQ rights:
“This is the thing… about the alphabet mafia… they are not happy just having marriage. Instead, they now want to corrupt your children.”
* Jan 18, 2023 — on the NHL and Pride:
“Another institution… has been completely taken over by the LGBTQ mafia.”
* Apr 2023 — on gun violence:
Argued that U.S. gun deaths are ‘worth it’ as a trade-off for the Second Amendment. (Covered with transcript/clip references.) That is about as sick as you can get!!!
* Oct 5–6, 2021 — on George Floyd:
Called Floyd a “scumbag” during a Minnesota event on his “Exposing Critical Racism” tour.
* Jun 29, 2023 — on Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson & affirmative action:
Labeled KBJ a “recipient of affirmative action,” and called the practice “disgusting and repugnant.”
* Dec 2023–Jan 2024 — on Martin Luther King Jr. & the Civil Rights Act:
Said MLK was “awful,” a “mythological anti-racist creation,” and argued the Civil Rights Act was a “huge mistake” that spawned an “anti-white” regime.All of this from this “sage of a kid” who couldn’t finish college….
Too much of this is taken out of context and missing much of what was said before and after the statement.
Classic to not post your sources.
I've come to expect such things of those on the left.
"All of this from this “sage of a kid” who couldn’t finish college…."
And went on to start a worldwide movement that encompassed thousands of employees and was valued at tens of millions of dollars. He had a direct line to the President of the United States and spoke with many world leaders.
Not a lot of those with college degrees have done so well.Isn't the issue that it is better to debate and defeat ideas you disagree with, with more rational and well thought out ideas?
... that killing someone for expressing ideas you don't agree with is wrong?
... Celebrating their murder, justifying their death, is that acceptable in our society today?
... When MLK was assassinated did the major news stations justify it... Celebrate it?
... Were there people then that disagreed with his words and beliefs?
... If so, would you consider it OK that people expressed their joy and happiness for his murder?Surely you realize that we have people who celebrate political violence that occurs toward each party???
Major news organizations are not justifying or celebrating the Kirk murder...that is just wrong.
My question though? Why ask these questions now when the victim is from the right wing? Where were these questions when those of the left are murdered or the victims of violence?
All of a sudden, political violence is such a horrendous thing because it happened within your group?? Didn't hear this kind of outcry when the Minnesota legislator was killed in her bed...or when Paul Pelosi got a hammer to the Head... I do remember Don Jr making fun of it though..."Minnesota legislator was killed in her bed...or when Paul Pelosi got a hammer to the Head"
This again? Give up reading Mary Trump.
As I pointed out before, neither of these incidents you stated were based on silencing a political view.
Please tell me you are able to comprehend this.
As far as Donald Trump Jr's tweets. Read
Donald Trump Jr.’s social media account on X is hacked, false tweets posted
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/20/donald- … weets.htmlProvide the documentation from a credible source that declares the murder of Melissa Hortman was not politically motivated.... And while you're at it do the same for the attack on Paul Pelosi.
Oh and throw in the arson at Josh Shapiro's home also....No. Your citation concerning Don Jr was a year after he posted the picture and tweet mocking Pelosi...That post occurred in October 2022, and he fully acknowledged it.
Ken,
Isn't it interesting how this "sage of a kid" was able to build an organization worth tens of millions of dollars and has hundreds of employees. He was a confidant of the President of the United States and even met with world leaders.
He could defeat any leftist in a debate on any topic and there is so much video proving it. Charlie Kirk debated student at Cambridge in the UK.
I bet many people with degrees have accomplished so much.
Like he said, by avoiding going to college he avoided leftist indoctrination. That was probably the key to his success.Kirk was a debater of ideas...
Like so many people who have the gift to articulate ideas who are good orators he was making money at it... most probably because he believed it and lived it.
I have watched enough of his interactions with others to know he was willing to concede points to others, to change his opinions... and that is the difference we see in what the Progressive-Woke Ideology believes and what someone like Kirk believes.
There is no room for debate or discussion in an ideology... you either buy-in and tow-the-line or you get outed, attacked, deplatformed.
I am not defending Kirk's ideas or beliefs... I am defending that he had a right to them... and a right to express them, debate them, and articulate them to others.
I think any rational person, once they reflect on it, should feel sad that he is no longer here to debate and discuss his beliefs... that is what leads us to better understand our own and why we have them.
I have grown in my understanding of my own beliefs and perspectives because of the interaction I have had here with Tsmog and GA because they challenge my positions and force me to look at them... Credence did that often in the past, it is a sadness to me that he has shifted to a darker place... there are enough on here stuck there, incapable of seeing beyond the cave they are stuck in... they do not need company.Ken,
How fortunate that you have had interactions here that have helped you understand your beliefs and perspectives.
I've not had such an experience.I think it was fortunate... I feel I have grown/changed/evolved for it...
There was a time when I allowed FOX (as an example) to influence my opinions on issues just like there are people who allow MSNBC to shape theirs.
We long debated in different forum threads about good sources of information vs. bad... Nathaniel and others overseas would denounce FOX and praise CNN... look at where the UK is today...
Credence and I used to go round and round... he helped me become more aware of my racial bias and I tried hard to put myself in the shoes of a black man living in the 60s to better understand his perspective... I remember to this day after watching a documentary on Sammy Davis Jr. how it really sank in... until that time I really didn't understand because it was before my time... I never experienced it.
Its hard to get perspective on something you have never experienced... you and I served in the military... I believe we have both been deployed overseas to less than vacation-like places... people who have not served in the military or seen 3rd world nations or violence up close can never, and I mean never, really grasp it the way you and I do.
... and yet, despite the fact that we share similar opinions on many things, we view the Ukraine war very differently and have since day one. And you denounced me vehemently for my opinions.
I saw it as an avoidable tragedy that was going to be visited on millions of people needlessly. You have much deeper ties to what is going on there and your passion about it comes from an entirely different perspective.
I wanted to avoid the world war it would bring... you see little beyond the harm and sacrifice Ukraine has had to endure... these are gulfs in perspective not easily bridged.
But I learn... I have an open enough mind that I can change my perspectives and opinions... you'll notice I rarely engage those who cannot and will not see anything other than their own... what's the point?"I believe we have both been deployed overseas to less than vacation-like places... people who have not served in the military or seen 3rd world nations or violence up close can never, and I mean never, really grasp it the way you and I do."
You are absolutely right and for that reason I avoid discussing it. Unless you've experienced such a thing, you won't understand.
"I saw it as an avoidable tragedy that was going to be visited on millions of people needlessly. You have much deeper ties to what is going on there and your passion about it comes from an entirely different perspective."
Yes, I'm very close. It has affected me and my family deeply. I have learned this is something I must avoid discussing as well. I have an experience with it that I don't think others could relate to in any way.
My problem is that I've discussed and debated with those from the left on this forum, other forums, and in my life. This has led me to have a very low opinion of those on the left as well as their beliefs, values, opinions are all distorted. Their lack of honesty is overwhelming.
I will stop being negative about them right now. I could go on for a few paragraphs. Suffice it to say their debate skills are seriously lacking.I think there is a growing fragmentation of "The Left"...
Ten years ago, one could say ALL Democrats (the Left) bought in to what they were being told... what CNN/MSNBC/etc. sold them on...
That was aided GREATLY by the well-timed Pandemic and Floyd Riots...
In 2019 Trump was a slam dunk to be re-elected... the economy was doing great, people were getting raises for the first time in decades that outpaced inflation... on the global stage China's actions to undermine America were being challenged at home and abroad...
And then 2020...
And then Biden...
Afghanistan... Iran... Russia...
Ten million unvetted and undocumented migrants or more...
Over one million Americans fired from jobs... more than 1.2 million migrants hired for jobs during that same time...
25% devaluation of the dollar...
Transgenders becoming a protected minority and women being forced to accept them in their sports, bathrooms, etc...
DEI ... your qualifications and experience don't matter... your sexual preference or skin color does...
Etc... Etc... Etc...
So "The Left" has split... people like Bill Maher who are the definition of what Liberal and Leftist was 25 years ago have themselves called out the "Progressive-Woke".
People not captured/brainwashed by CNN... MSNBC... the NY Times... by an Ideology that has captured our universities and institutions ... people with Common Sense have been turning away from "Woke" ever since Biden's Administration began its deconstruct America efforts.
I think Biden could have gotten away with most of it... but the Open Borders... putting migrants in small towns unannounced and five star city hotels across America was a kick in the face to every American struggling to get by.
Transgenders being made a protected minority... children being sacrificed to the Woke Ideology in terms of sex-change operations and hormone blockers...
It made people wake up that otherwise would have remained ignorant... and once you wake up... you start looking around at other things... you start questioning other things...
More Americans wake up every day... and while they may not love Trump, they are never going back to being accepting of "Woke".
We will see where it leads."More Americans wake up every day... and while they may not love Trump, they are never going back to being accepting of "Woke"." Ken
True—but even more than that, many people simply don’t want to be on the side that’s now being ostracized for the hate they’ve fueled. It may sound simple, but in the end, Americans don’t like aligning themselves with ideologies that are so far removed from what is good.
One other thought-- I mean, would you want to stand on the side that now has fingers pointed at them?
America has shifted into a “darker place”. I can understand that you can never really can stand in my shoes, and you really don’t wont to based upon what it would reveal about yourselves. That goes for any “conservative” in this forum. But while Kirk was a martyr for you and the political right, try to understand that with all his race baiting and misogynist threats, he would not be in my case. I have a President declaring war on citizens with contrary views and who wants to impart the engrams of his petty, selfish and ignorant style over the entire American public. As, i was a kid during the 1960’s, inspite of stubborn problems within this society then, I was always optimistic that things were going to improve, that is until now. I have no place to go as you and your side can no more expect me the embrace the Trump regime than a slave would embrace his or her master. We are all about divisiveness now rather than inclusion in our society and that is a more ominous and even darker place. This is an America that I now longer recognize and one where i may eventually have to extricate myself.
"We are all about divisiveness now rather than inclusion in our society and that is a more ominous and even darker place."
Does it scare you that Conservative Christians are now going to fight back? The days of attacking our beliefs and forcing us to not obey them is over.
Do you feel at a loss since biden won't be able to send the FBI after Catholic families among other things?
Thanks for the augmenting of the list of instances where the true “Charlie” is not the polished political personality he portrays himself to be.
More is coming out on Robinson, Kirk's shooter.
* He didn't talk politics unless asked about it (hardly a radical left characteristic)
* He was a Trumper in high school (hardly a radical left characteristic) - until he wasn't.
* His parents still are Trumpers. (hardly a radical left characteristic)
* He was registered to vote unaffiliated (hardly a radical left characteristic)
* He was an avid gamer, including video games.
* He was a straight-A student in high school who got a 4-year ride academic scholarship to college.
* He attended one semester and then took a "leave of absence" and didn't return. (why)
* He, like most Americans, ended up not liking fascists (according to the message on the bullet casing)
* People thought he was Republican
* Some members of his family say Kirk as "hateful and spreading hate"
We don't know yet, because Robinson isn't talking, what happened between high school and when he dropped out of college to make him so angry at Kirk to kill him. Clearly, he isn't the radical leftist Trump wants him to be."* He was a Trumper in high school (hardly a radical left characteristic) - until he wasn't.
* His parents still are Trumpers. (hardly a radical left characteristic)"
Not true. You made this up.
"Some members of his family say Kirk as "hateful and spreading hate"
Not true...Robinson is said to have stated that Charlie Kirk is hateful and spreading hate.
"He, like most Americans, ended up not liking fascists (according to the message on the bullet casing)"
Of all the untruths you've posted this one has to be the most egregious.
The Bullet casing said, ""Hey fascist! Catch!"
In the realm of reality, which I suggest you visit, he is calling Charlie Kirk a fascist. A bullet he was willing to shoot at him.
The left are masters of distortion, misinformation, and blatant lies.
It's all they have. The left runs from the truth like a cockroach from the light.Aren't you making up your denials?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/12/us/tyler … spect-invs
PROVE THEY ARE LYING or we will know you are just making it up.Sorry, couldn't click on your link as I don't ascribe to CNN.
Well the grandma is on record saying they were all Republicans "for Trump".Robinson apparently dressed up as Trump for Halloween one year. He was also a Nick Fuentes follower... Someone who harshly attacked Kirk as not conservative enough. Some suggesting Robinson may have been part of Nick Fuentes's "Groyper" movement...what we have her may well be maga on maga violence.
So,
You expect people to believe this murderer loved President Donald Trump (Obviously you've not seen a picture of the Halloween picture.) Was actually conservative woke up one day, inscribed messages on bullets, went to a rally of one of the top conservative voices in the country and shot him. You expect that to make any type of sense?
I think those on the left are once again creating their own delusional world and living there. Forget reality.
It's such a shame."Hey fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓,” a seeming reference, at least in part, to a video game that's been interpreted as a satire of fascism....
Obviously you're not familiar with helldivers 2...The order of directional arrow symbols is a code used to summon a bomb on the player’s position....
As far as his Halloween costume, lol it was posted on his mother's Facebook page...
Clearly you would understand that there were plenty of people, generally led by Nick Fuentes and Laura loomer, that were well to the right of Charlie Kirk and vocally opposed him. Not just opposed him but harshly criticized him.
The left are masters of distortion, misinformation, and blatant lies.
It's all they have. The left runs from the truth like a cockroach from the light.
How is this going to bring The United States of America back together again?
However, everything you just said can be appllied to Trump with no problem at all.
It seems you have a penchant for demeaning and insulting the left. It must really make you feel good or you wouldn't do it..
How is Trump and Ukraine working out for you?As Erika Kirk said—‘you don’t know what you have unleashed.’ There is no healing between the sides. The time for agreement has long passed. I can only speak for myself, but my values and my beliefs will never be compromised or marred by what I see coming from the left. Never
I truly believe that goodwill will right the ship, I see signs of it every day lately. And with the murder of this young Christian, the wrongdoers on the left have unleashed something far more powerful than they realize. Good will rise above evil. I’ve always said I have faith in the American people, but right now, that faith is stronger than ever, doubled.How are you blaming "the left" for Kirk's murder?
How is Trump and Ukraine working out for you?
Lets stick on topic.
I can only tolerate the stupidity and ignorance of the left on one topic at a time.
This isn’t a “CNN-only” story. Reuters and the Associated Press, citing the Utah governor/FBI press conference, report that 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was arrested in Utah in connection with Charlie Kirk’s killing and is being held while prosecutors prepare charges.
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Utah News Dispatch summarizes the probable cause affidavit and jail booking, and officials outlined evidence including surveillance video, Discord messages about retrieving/ditching a bolt-action rifle, and recovery of the rifle near campus—details echoed by Reuters and ABC.
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If you want the paperwork itself, a redacted affidavit is publicly posted (PDF).
Fox News
In short: multiple independent outlets and the on-camera official briefing corroborate the core facts.
YouTubeAnd nothing of in any of it proves anything you stated.
Here is how a podcaster turned FBI Director is seen doing his job.
"But Patel’s upbeat tone contrasted with frustration and anger, both inside and outside the FBI, over his handling of the most high-profile moment of his tenure so far. Some FBI employees told CNN they found it galling for Patel to claim personal credit for the most successful parts of the investigation.
After all, it was Patel who had posted on Wednesday that a “subject” was in custody, a claim he had to walk back less than two hours later. Patel’s style also struck the FBI employees as not in keeping with how previous FBI directors handled similar situations, normally trying to credit employees instead of themselves."
Not very flattering.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/13/politics … p-concernsWith the amount of obvious time and effort shown in the very detailed and crafted posts showing how bad for America Charlie Kirk was, surely those posters will spare the time to watch his widow's first public statement:
'I will never let your legacy die' - Charlie Kirk's widow gives tearful address after shooting
Judging from the job you're doing on Charlie, you should have a field day with his widow's statement. Maybe a bullet-pointed list like Charlie's or, since she's also a white Christian, a historical recitation of the racial injustices her kind has caused.
GANah . . . I will offer a prayer and leave the squabbling to others.
What I questioned? Using "they" to describe who killed her husband....
"The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love...."
Was there more than one killer?Honey, some on social media are already demeaning this woman. Maybe it’s time to be done with that kind of slop—and with those who dish it out. Erika Kirk’s words were profound, and I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed anything quite like them. Why give them air?
I don't give a shit what her views are but I'd like to know...
"The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love...."
THEY? WERE THERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE MURDER? WHO IS THE "THEY" SHE SPEAKS OF?Because sometimes a choir room deserves a good fart.
GAWhile I can appreciate your humor, it's much more serious than that. It's about who to blame for the farting in the choir room!!!
For me the fart was when she referred to "THEY"
If it's a man, and it's a good one, you won't have to look for who to blame; the insuppressible grin will give him away every time.
And just for a minute, the chorus stops and takes a breath (no pun intended). That's their chance to hear what folks outside the choir room are hearing. The two 'hearings' aren't always the same. A good choir knows that. A mob doesn't.
GA ;-)
GA, I can only agree. Would it be rude to light a match — that's an old nurse's trick to freshen a room after too much farting? Do you think that would do the trick, or would there be so much gas we’d have to call the fire department?
SharWe used that same 'light-a-match' trick when tent camping in the Boy Scouts. It does work.
GA ;-)So Ericka Kirk's "they" and "evildoers' doesn't stink?
How odd that you haven’t realized there truly is a “they.” They earned that title, and now they’ll have to live with it. In contrast, there is also a “we” — and we’ve decided it’s time to stop giving hate an audience and instead focus on restoring good to our Nation.
Yes, Ms. Kirk gave a moving eulogy for her late husband. But, i will sympathize with any and all grieving widows. In this case, she is not the focus of my attention and is not to blame as unforeseen events can fall upon anyone.
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Take good look leftists.
This is what represents you. Cold, Callous, ignorant, stupid comments made at a time when a widow with two children is grieving the loss of her husband and the father of her children.
This is just a small sample. These are the types of people your ideology attract.
Is this what you're all about? Is this how you handle such situations? What does this say about all of you?
I used to think that the left couldn't sink any lower and they've proved me wrong. I now know there is no depth so low the left will not sink to it.
Shame is a concept for those who have a conscience. I don't know if the left qualifies.
Hospital fires healthcare worker for controversial Charlie Kirk social media post
Virginia anesthesiologist lost job after hospital discovered 'inappropriate' post Thursday morning
https://www.foxnews.com/health/hospital … media-post
Restaurant in major city faces fallout over 'offensive' Charlie Kirk post by co-owner
Popular BBQ joint in Cincinnati faces backlash over co-owner's Facebook comments
https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/rest … t-co-owner
Inappropriate comments about Charlie Kirk assassination gets workers fired
Workers lose jobs following controversial Charlie Kirk comments
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/w … aced-leave
Office Depot fires Michigan employee who refused to print Charlie Kirk posters for customer
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/of … s-customer
Teachers and Professors Nationwide Fired or Disciplined for Inappropriate Charlie Kirk social media posts
Following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk this week, educators across the country have found themselves facing swift termination or potential discipline after allegedly sharing opinions on social media about the killing.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ch … rcna230845No one represents me but......Wait for it.....ME
And this fool represents all of maga??
Just say yes or no...
"THEY"
Who is “they?” One 22yr old white man from Utah is accused of killing Kirk. Who the hell is “they?”
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966667243875397653NOW...it all makes sense.
Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin lived with transgender partner who is now cooperating with FBI: Officials
"Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital.
Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a "romantic relationship" with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson's partner is fully cooperating with the FBI's investigation."
Moments before Robinson allegedly shot Kirk, an audience member asked Kirk: "Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?"
Kirk replied: "Too many."
Kirk was then asked: "Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?"
Kirk replied: "Counting or not counting gang violence?"
Kirk was then assassinated.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charli … bi-sourcesTo those on the left. When you want to make a point it is good to place a post and submit a link to the story. Just saying.
Suspect Spewed Kirk Hate at Dinner Days Before Shooting
The suspect in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk allegedly made disparaging comments about the conservative influencer during a family dinner days before Wednesday's attack at Utah Valley University.
Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said during a news conference Friday that Tyler Robinson, 22, expressed his dislike of Kirk, 31, the co-founder and CEO of Turning Point USA. The briefing aired live on Newsmax and the Newsmax2 free online streaming platform.
"Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years," Cox, a Republican, said. "The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner ... and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to [Utah Valley University].
"They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate."
Cox said Robinson's roommate directed investigators to Discord, where the suspect allegedly posted about a rifle and the need to retrieve it from a drop point. The roommate showed investigators several messages and allowed them to take photos of the screen. The posts described leaving a rifle in a bush wrapped in a towel, watching the location, engraved bullets, adding a scope and changing outfits.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/tyler-robins … d/1226248/I don't think those on the left comprehend how Charlie Kirk was respected and admired not only in the United States but around the world.
"100,000 People in London rallied for Charlie Kirk
At least 100,000 people flooded the streets for London Saturday for a "Unite the Kingdom" rally, taking the opportunity to honor slain American civil rights leader Charlie Kirk in the process.
As Fox News reported, the rally was organized by activist Tommy Robinson, who said a video shown about Kirk was to thank and "honor the life of one of our generation's greatest." Elon Musk also appeared via video link and condemned the left as "the party of murder" following Kirk's death.
The tribute video included a viral clip of Kirk giving life advice to a 13-year-old girl at a Turning Point USA event.
https://www.wnd.com/2025/09/we-want-our … k-honored/
Here is an article that shows memorials for Charlie Kirk around the United States and the world including New Zealand, South Africa, Rome, Spain, France, Germany, South Korea, Australia, etc.
"STUNNING! Memorials erupt worldwide for American Charlie Kirk
'He stood for honest and peaceful discourse, the truth, and most importantly, true faith in Jesus Christ'
https://www.wnd.com/2025/09/stunning-me … rlie-kirk/Charlie was loved around the world. He awakened young people to realize that this is their world to inherit, and that it’s up to them to shape it. He reminded them that their votes are their voice, and that they don’t have to accept the world handed down by bureaucrats and politicians. He showed them that their voices are stronger than those pushing corruption, crime, and ideologies hostile to faith and morality. In many ways, his passing has only made his message ten times louder. We’re already seeing proof of that in what you shared. Just one day after his wife spoke, there were 18,000 new requests to start Turning Point chapters. That’s a movement louder and stronger than ever, because in the end, good always rises over hate. Hate feasters and shivels, and disappear when the light is directed at them. And Charlie shone such a bright light in life, and now a martyr --- in death.
He may be gone but his truths will live on longer than any generation alive right now.
Today, TPUSA is reporting that in just the last 48 hours they’ve received requests for 32,000 new chapters. I think it’s safe to say his widow’s voice was heard loud and clear. These new chapters are exactly what we need to reach not only the younger generation but also older voters, encouraging them to register as Republicans. One could say we are truly witnessing a turning point. Perhaps the hate finally revealed itself, and many are now taking a hard look in the mirror, searching for a better path. And as more Congressmen and women double down on the rhetoric of hate, it only strengthens our resolve in the fight against evil.
I asked AI if Charlie Kirk was a recruiter for Trump and MAGA. Here is the reply I recieved.
Yes—Charlie Kirk was more than just a recruiter for Trump’s MAGA movement. He was one of its architects, especially when it came to mobilizing young conservatives.
Here’s how his role unfolded:
Strategic Organizer & Youth Mobilizer
• Founder of Turning Point USA (TPUSA): At just 18, Kirk launched TPUSA, which grew into a massive conservative youth organization with chapters on over 850 campuses.
• Campus Activism: He pioneered a new style of combative conservatism, using memes, social media, and events to energize students and push MAGA-aligned narratives.
• Recruitment Pipeline: TPUSA became a talent funnel for the Trump administration. Many young staffers in the White House and Congress got their start through Kirk’s network.
Adviser & Inner Circle Ally
• Trump’s “Youth Whisperer”: Kirk had direct access to Trump and his family, often attending Mar-a-Lago events and advising on endorsements.
• Post-2020 Influence: After the 2020 election, Kirk amplified Trump’s claims of fraud and helped keep the MAGA base engaged.
• Transition Role: He played a quiet but powerful role in Trump’s 2024 transition effort, helping shape staffing and strategy.
Culture Warrior & Propagandist
• Kirk’s rhetoric was deliberately provocative—he embraced controversial positions on race, immigration, and religion.
• He founded TPUSA Faith to push back against what he called “wokeism” in American Christianity.
In short, Charlie Kirk wasn’t just recruiting for MAGA—he was building the infrastructure that kept it alive and expanding. His blend of charisma, digital savvy, and institutional ambition made him one of the most influential figures in Trump’s orbit.Yes...Charlie Kirk did a good job. He accomplished some incredibly great things during his short time in this world.
Mike, thank God Elon Musk finally took a stand—it was about time. Hate and unprovoked slander have no place under the banner of free speech, and the moment has come to put a stop to it. I’m so glad he’s on my side, because he has the power to not offer O2 to those who promote hate with unprovoked slander. I can only hope other social media platforms follow suit and curb the hate-filled content that fuels violence. He is doing exactly what I believe is needed to confront and stop this dangerous cycle of online hatred by not offering a forum to demean others just because a keyboard lets them. The left's hate speech has now progressed far beyond internet insults; they are fomenting hate that now easily turns some to violence.
https://x.com/LucasSa56947288/status/19 … 23/photo/1
He made a speech to a UK crowd recently:
Elon Musk Delivers Stunning Remarks At Historic UK March
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzLAZP2mMSg
If you think he is popular in the US for what he did with Twitter, it's even moreso with those folks who live in a country with severe censorship compared to us."Hate and unprovoked slander have no place under the banner of free speech," - But that was what Kirk was all about, yet you accept him. Why? Please don't make me repost all the vile things he stands for.
I have no intention of replying to anything you might post to me or anyone else. I don't respect your ideologies, your point of view, or anything you promote. I don't think I could be more blunt. Thank God for free speech.
Can you understand why there is no unity, you want respect but do you give it?
I believe my comment was clear and left no doubt about my sentiment. I form my opinions based on what I see and experience, and I live by my own values. I came to realize that I had contributed to the problem by giving space to views I fundamentally disagreed with—views that clashed with my values. I have no issue speaking honestly about what I believe played a role in a man’s death, a man I respected. In my view, those who use social media (both sides ) to spread “what if” conspiracies create disruption, fuel disruption, and, ultimately, turn to anger, disruption, and then hate, which breeds violence. This type can only ask questions, but never answer one. I don't find this form of communication interesting or actually intelligent.
I will participate here on my own terms. I won’t spend time engaging with those I have no desire to converse with. Free speech belongs to everyone, but so does the right to ignore rhetoric that conflicts with my values.
Oddly enough, you assume I would ask anyone to respect my views. I never have. What I have done is call out personal insults and report them to the moderator when necessary. I’m direct about where I stand; it’s a take-it-or-leave-it attitude. Hence, the comment you replied to.I respect your views, I just vehemently disagree with them.
“Free speech belongs to everyone, but so does the right to ignore rhetoric that conflicts with my values.”
It we all took that attitude than any chance of communication and understanding ends.
That seems to be where we are now in the national scene….Cred, As of January 10th, I’ve had zero communication with anyone on the left. I expected something like this would happen, and it did. I want no part of the left or the ideas they promote. They have every right to their free speech, and I hope they continue down the path they’ve chosen.
I respect your views as well. Our conversations have always been two-sided; you listen, I listen, and we treat each other with respect. We can agree to disagree. You share your views openly and thoughtfully, and it’s clear to me that your opinions aren’t just something picked up from a headline. They’re personal, one-on-one perspectives. Neither of us demands proof, because views aren’t always something that can be proven. They’re shaped by what we learn, what we experience, and how we perceive the world. You ask questions, you answer questions, and that impresses me; it shows you’re willing to delve into food for thought. It is more than evident that we disagree on much. But we most definitely share SOME of the same values.Credence,
There are some insane people out there, all I can say is I'm thankful I was too old to be part of the TikTok generation...
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1967280964343885865
America is nation divided right now.
The assassination of Charlie Kirk was wrong.
The assassination of MN lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, was wrong.
The attempted assassinations of Paul Pelosi, Josh Shapiro were wrong.
If America only had a president who would say the same, the healing would start...Trump has no respect for the importance of the position he holds. He is so utterly reckless and morally bankrupt with the words he chooses to use.It seems, sadly, that the Right only finds the killing of Kirk as wrong. They appeared to celebrate the attack on Pelosi and Hortman.
"healing" will never start until those millions with TDS shuck that nonsense and accept that they didn't get their way, can't have their way, and the world is not made as they might wish it. THEN, and only then, will healing begin - to wish for a President made to their specifications will not help.
A true leader unites rather than divides. A leader rises to the occasion and turns the temperature down rather than stoking the flames of discord ... You don't use the murder of a man to rail about the "radical left".
A true leader seeks justice and doesn't back away from telling the truth.
Is biden your example of a true leader?
"You don't use the murder of a man to rail about the "radical left"
Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone who had been indoctrinated by the radial left.The very nerve of it all—they spew unbelievable hate toward this man, and toward those of us who support him, and now they have the audacity to ask him to fix it. How much more ridiculous can it get? Those of us who voted for and support Trump have never responded with hate or destruction. Look at the death of Charlie Kirk; our response was gatherings of prayer and honor, not burning, looting, or rioting. I can’t believe anyone thinks Trump needs to “do something” about this. No, he does not. The citizens themselves are handling it the right way, practicing our values.
"The very nerve of it all—they spew unbelievable hate toward this man, and toward those of us who support him,
What? Spewing hate? Where? Posting some of his actual statements and video is spewing hate? Are you kidding me??? THAT'S WHO HE ISThe poster you're responding to just called all Democrats "lunatics".... You might want to rethink who is spewing what...
No one here needs to prove anything to anyone. You should understand that many share Mike’s view, and you’re not going to change the minds of those who believe it. I fully agree with the sentiment that “Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone indoctrinated by the radical left.”
What continues to amaze me is how often those on the left fail to recognize just how many people are appalled by their ideologies and attitudes. I also feel it truly irritates some on the left when conservatives calmly dismiss them, choosing instead to take the high road.
Dan, Laughable—some now claim this is all Trump’s fault, and that he’s the one who needs to fix it. That kind of hypocrisy is almost hard to stomach. For years, Democrats in Washington, the left-wing media, and their supporters have poured out nonstop hate, not only toward President Trump, but also toward the millions of Americans who voted for him and still stand by him.
The vileness they’ve projected is unmatched in our nation’s history. At this point, “TDS” isn’t even an excuse anymore. Trump has endured two bogus impeachments, endless investigations, false labels of “Hitler,” “Nazi,” and “fascist,” assassination attempts, and constant slander. And despite all of it, he never backed down from putting America first. Yet now, after everything they’ve done, they have the gall to demand he be the one to “heal the nation”? That he is reckless and morally bankrupt? Give me a break.
What has truly fueled division, hate, and violence is the left’s nonstop demonization of half the country. They cheered on riots, raised money to bail out criminals, censored voices they didn’t like, falsely claimed Trump colluded with Russia, and even accused him of killing millions of Americans over COVID, when the reality is, he had no power over state decisions and still delivered Operation Warp Speed, doing all he could to save lives.
They used every platform possible to smear him. Why would anyone who’s watched the left’s behavior over the past decade want anything to do with the people who caused such division? In my view, the best solution is to ostracize those who spread hate, strip legitimacy from their lies, and put them back in their place.
Some may not like Trump’s tone, but the truth is he fights for this country. The real moral bankruptcy lies in pretending the hate directed at him and his supporters doesn’t exist, and then turning around to blame him for the chaos the left itself created. They bought this mess; now they can live with it. And we should stop feeding oxygen to their sickness, because in the end, we’ve been part of why it spread. I mean, ultimately, why would anyone care or want to have anything to do with people who have caused such hate in our country? This small minority needs to be ignored.
They are very angry at this point, lashing out, I mean, just have a look at some comments here, they are digging in every direction... Very much noticeable, isn't it?"What has truly fueled division, hate, and violence is the left’s nonstop demonization of half the country."
So surely you're not pleased with the leader of this country calling Democrats radical, lunatics, horrible?
He blamed rhetoric from those on the left such as calling Kirk a Nazi and/or a fascist...
BUT
This is okay? Just say it's okay...
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1966636813809799385
Shouldn't ALL political violence be condemned? Not just when it happens on one side or the other?Gotcha, seems safe to assume that a portion of this country is perfectly fine with political violence and incendiary rhetoric when it is done by its own members. It's okay when Trump calls people fascists but God forbid anyone else should utter those words....
"calling Democrats radical, lunatics"
As far as I'm concerned democrats are radical lunatics. That is simply stating fact.
So, tell me, how many assassination attempts has K. Harris experienced? How many people on the left have been assassinated?I agree—Trump has rightly called them out for their actions, and they fully deserve that label. More people should have been honest about what’s really going on instead of coddling these toxic ideologies. Hate speech shouldn’t be fed by responding to it. Meanwhile, Harris has foolishly admitted in her book to being complicit, and now she’s trying to convince the public otherwise. If that isn’t absurd, I don’t know what is. Many on the left don’t even see past the craziness; they’re completely lost.
Now we’re seeing complete lunacy, failures, desperation, and grasping at anything they can to smear Trump. It’s very obvious on this forum, and in a way, it’s almost comical to watch what they’re clinging to. Trump has labeled them accurately, and now they’ll carry those labels, which many will rightly magnify, with a last-ditch effort to lash out.Hate speech or just when others do it?
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1966636813809799385The fact that he is lableing them is divisive in itself. He does not want a United country. Then he would have no one to blame but himself..
Should President Donald Trump follow biden's example of uniting the country?
biden in your standard. He is an example of you. Ever heard of "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"
There is calling supporters of Donald Trump garbage.
"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters -- his -- his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it's un-American."
AND there's more.
"Look, extreme MAGA Republicans don’t just threaten our personal rights and our economic security, they embrace political violence," Biden said before attempting to clear up that he was only talking about MAGA Republicans"
"Extreme MAGA Republicans just don’t threaten our personal and economic rights; they embrace political violence," the president said. "Think about it. They refuse to accept the will of the people. They threaten our very democracy."
"Their extreme agenda, if carried out, would fundamentally alter the institutions of American democracy as we know it," Biden said of MAGA republicans. "My friends, they're not hiding their attacks; they're openly promoting them. Attacking the free press as the enemy of the people. Attacking the rule of law as an impediment. Fomenting voter suppression and election subversion.""Should President Donald Trump follow biden's example of uniting the country?
biden in your standard. He is an example of you. Ever heard of "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?"
No, he should follow the Constitution of The United States of America and create a country that is based on the principals of a Democratic Republic for all as the framers of the Constitution requires. Trump and Stephen Miller and company use loopholes in the Constitution to ply manipulations of the people.
We are no longer a Democratic Republic with three co-equal branchse of goverment. We are being taken over by ultra conservatives who have created Project 2025 with the mission of consolidating power in the executive branch. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I have to laugh. For years, the left, through the media, social media, and yes, even some here, has hurled every vile label imaginable at him, accused him of impeachable crimes twice, and watched Congress members stand on the floor calling him all sorts of names while alleging collusion with Russia. My God, I could go on endlessly. And now some have a problem with Trump using his own free speech to push back at the other side? That is blatantly hypocritical. Sorry, but it is. In my opinion, he is simply sharing his true sentiments.
I know the response I’ll get: “Well, he’s president, he needs to be for all the people.” But the truth is, we are no longer the same country, thanks to what the Democrats have perpetrated over the last ten years. You better “smell the roses” because you’re reaping what you sowed. I don’t believe Trump cares about reuniting the country as the left imagines; he cares about fixing the country, exposing how it became such a mess, and doing right by those who have stood behind him. The reality is clear: the Democrats did it their way, it failed, and now they must face the consequences of their choices. There’s no going back for the minority they’ve aligned themselves with. The fingers will point at the party for years for trying to ruin the country.
And oh my, I mean, come on, your party has created a true martyr. This was a man known only for good, and your party will be remembered for how it treated a young activist Christian leader. But don’t worry, your party still has all the social media trolls disparaging this man. A man who is deeply loved by millions of our young people around the world. This is the left’s doing, and that is how history will remember it. It’s what the left is good at, just screwing things up for themselves.
But you’re right, uniting the country isn’t his focus. Honestly, even if he tried, his supporters would be deeply disappointed in him.
Oh gotcha, so when Trump repeatedly called Harris a fascist it wasn't a problem because there were no successful attempts on her life?
It obviously wasn't a problem since nothing like the left wing lunatics willing to assassinate President Donald Trump and the successful assassination of Charlie Kirk made an attempt on her life.
The left's violence knows no bounds.There is ONE person responsible for the murder of Kirk.. and he his currently in jail.
They have no limits, and nothing is too vile for them to spread. Mike, you can see how heated these comments are getting. I suppose your back-and-forths are drawing them out and revealing their true colors. Meanwhile, we honor Charlie’s life with vigils, prayer, and reflection, no looting, no riots, no vandalism, no burning cars, no officers hurt. Just quiet respect and repose.
"As far as I'm concerned democrats are radical lunatics. That is simply stating fact".
At least you're admitting it...hateful as it is. Quite the generalization, quite simplistic... Gold star for owning it.
"Trump has endured two bogus impeachments, endless investigations, false labels of “Hitler,” “Nazi,” and “fascist,”
TRUMP CALLING HARRIS A FASCIST... FOUR SEPARATE TIMES..
BUT PLEASE, TELL ME MORE ABOUT DANGEROUS RHETORIC
https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1966636813809799385Again, tell me the number of times K. Harris has experienced an assassination attempt.
By TDS, do you mean those of us who can't stop telling the TRUTH about Trump?
"The assassination of MN lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, was wrong.
The attempted assassinations of Paul Pelosi, Josh Shapiro were wrong."
You may want to do more than just post democrat talking points.
"assassination of MN lawmaker Melissa Hortman and her husband" had nothing to do with politics.
There is Nothing that demonstrates the motive was political. If there is, show me.
There is NOTHING that shows Paul Pelosi's attack was political. If there is show me.
Josh Shapiro's house was torched by a lefty loon who had an issue with Jews.It's not a talking point to say that political violence is wrong... To continue to say that these attacks weren't politically motivated just doesn't match the facts in each circumstance.
Folks here copy and paste lots of stuff...I'm certain you can find all the info on how each of these attacks was politically motivated. Or if not, you can show us with credible citations that they were not.
Easier yet? Ask ai and then let us know...
Agree?? What age do y'all think is appropriate that children watch public executions?
"I want to see executions on TV. Imagine if Coca-Cola sponsored executions. That would be so American, so patriotic. People would tune in. I think children at a certain age, as initiation, should be required to watch.
Public executions by guillotine are holy."
- Charlie Kirk
https://x.com/calamariofritto/status/19 … 3043920217God, what a sick man he was - I didn't think I would ever say this, but he is sicker than Trump.
Here is more SICK from Kirk (a couple of repeats):
“Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.” — reacting to Taylor Swift’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, Aug 26, 2025.
Media Matters
“We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Apr 1, 2024.
Media Matters
“America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years … We should be unafraid to do that.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Aug 22, 2025.
The Irish Times
“The American Democrat Party … they love it when America becomes less white.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Mar 20, 2024.
The Irish Times
“Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.” — social post amplified alongside his show content, Sept 8, 2025.
The Irish Times
“There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication … it’s not in the Constitution.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Jul 6, 2022.
Media Matters
“We must ban trans-affirming care — the entire country. Donald Trump needs to run on this issue.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Apr 1, 2024.
Media Matters
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment … That is a prudent deal.” — TPUSA Faith event, Apr 5, 2023.
The Irish Times
“We’ve been warning about the rise of Islam … Islam is not compatible with Western civilisation.” — The Charlie Kirk Show, Jun 24, 2025.
The Irish TimesI have been working on a regression of current events and the rise in hate crimes against people Kirk hates, in this case LGBTQ+. I am not finished but what is very clear that the level of the these crimes was pretty stable from 2000 to 2017.
In 2018, the number of crimes rose above the mean by 2.29 standard deviations (that is a lot), and skyrocketed from there. It is currently double what mean use to be.
Further, since TPUSA began really pumping out the hate rhetoric (around 2016) the number of hate crime incidences increased year after year. The first downturn was in the last year of Biden's term. Unfortunately, we don't have data for 2025 yet, but I would put money on it having reversed course again.I think he has a point.
Public execution was the norm for many years.My gosh, we have well passed the need for the death penalty to be used as a deterrent. And that's what Kirk was discussing.
Really ? He was not talking about the death penalty as a deterrent.. he was talking about public execution... And debating the age at which children should watch.
https://x.com/Deiterich/status/1967304960426856551I think 17 would be an appropriate age.
There are people who joined the Army with a waiver at the age of 17 and went on to see some pretty horrible stuff.
I think that should be the age.And have the executions in the public square? Charlie said by guillotine? So we watch the heads roll... I do believe he said much younger than 17 though
Interesting. Maybe Charlie's idea of children tuning to executions could be combined with the Fox News idea of killing the homeless? Two birds one stone?
Then your people are truly demented if they can advocate for such things.
Why?
Public executions have taken place for hundreds of years.
The last public execution in the United States took place in 1936.
Don't you think individuals thinking of being criminals see someone being held ultimately responsible for their crime in public could deter them?
I think it would.By guillotine no less! With children watching... Maybe they could sell tickets. My God.
“No, Herbert, you haven’t gone forward, you’ve gone back….
This situation reminds me so much of the barbarism we should be trying to move away from but continue to embrace, courtesy of the political right.
I guess this classic clip from one of my fave films came to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYoTPlTwpE
Sure would be embarrassing if there were a video of trump joking about Paul Pelosi being bludgeoned with a hammer while his supporters howled with laughter...
https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1835800969772192163Wonderful News--- A Turning Point USA spokesperson said in a social media post that the organization has been deluged with requests to start new campus chapters for high schools and colleges in the days following Charlie Kirk's death.
Andrew Kolvet said in a post on X early Sunday, Sept. 14, that the group has received MORE THAN 32,000 inquiries in 48 hours to start new campus chapters. Turning Point USA, the conservative youth-focused organization founded by Charlie Kirk, says it currently has about 900 college chapters and 1,200 high school chapters.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/charlie-kirks … hatgpt.comThere’s something deeply discouraging about being told not to speak out against Charlie Kirk under the banner of 'hate and unprovoked slander,' when he has a long record of endorsing rhetoric like this (here are three quick examples):
* Claiming that LGBTQ people are a threat to children, a smear that has no basis in fact but fans fear and hostility.
* Arguing that women should lose access to contraception and reproductive rights, positions that would strip millions of Americans of personal freedom.
* Promoting the idea that political opponents are 'enemies of the state', rhetoric that undermines democracy and paints fellow citizens as illegitimate.
If we’re going to call out hate and slander, then it must be applied evenly. Defending Kirk while ignoring his own record of divisive, damaging remarks only deepens the divide we say we want to heal.Too bad you can't provide any actual proof to back your claims.
Let me get this straight. They’re allowed to call me evil, fascist and demonic just because I’m a democrat...
But I can’t call them fascist because somehow that is invoking hate and violence?
And suddenly quoting and replaying Kirk video is deeply offensive to his fans.. OOOKAYYY
Those on the left...this is your people.
"Video shows man vandalizing Charlie Kirk memorial outside Turning Point USA HQ in Phoenix
A man was seen vandalizing a memorial honoring Charlie Kirk on Sunday - just outside of Turning Point USA's headquarters in Phoenix.
The man, who was wearing a black t-shirt with an American flag, was taken away by police in handcuffs. His t-shirt appeared similar to the one that suspect Tyler Robinson wore at the Sept. 10 event where Charlie Kirk was shot.
Witnesses saw the suspect kicking over items including flowers, vases and flags. He traveled about 15 yards through the memorial before onlookers pulled him away, throwing him to the ground. Authorities quickly escorted him away from the area.
In a statement, Phoenix PD identified him as 19-year-old Ryder Corral.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/charl … -9-14-2025"Ah, the classless, ignorant, and disgusting left don't seem to be able to help themselves."
And the sweeping generalizations continue...Didn't see anything about saying this was wrong.
To remain silent is to agree.To remain silent is to agree I am certainly happy you said that because that means you and the others on your side agree with every one of these vile and disgusting convictions of Kirk.
* “Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to God … [an] abomination.”
* On Leviticus 20:13: he described it as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
* “The great replacement strategy … is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
* “America does not need more visas for people from India … [the U.S. is] full.”
* “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people — that’s a fact.”
* “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
* “Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America… Europe is now a conquered continent.”
* On wives who keep their vote private from their husbands: “You have to ask, what else is she lying to him about? Is she stealing money?”
*“Groomers can’t reproduce, so instead they recruit… they go serve on school boards… and do drag queens.”
“Prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people.”
Media Matters
“If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman…”
Media Matters
“Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.”
Media Matters
“We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor.”
Media Matters
“It’s worth… some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”
Media Matters
“America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years.”
Media Matters
“They love it when America becomes less white.”
Media Matters
“The great replacement strategy… [will] replace white rural America with something different.”
Media Matters
* “Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.”
Media Matters
* “Islam is not compatible with western civilization.”
Media Matters
* “There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication.”
Media Matters
* “Sending 80+ buses full of patriots to DC to fight for this president.”
Newsweek
* “If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States Marine?”
Media Matters
* “We should have a uniculturalism. One culture, Americanism.”
Media Matters
* “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.”
The Guardian
* “Transgenderism is a social contagion.”
Advocate.com
* “He’s a giant F YOU to the feminist establishment.”
ABC
Since you have been silent on all those terrible things Kirk stands for, it is nice to see you admit agreeing with them.
I saw that, but I expected more. Maybe they are saving up for Charlie's funeral.
Shar,
I'm hoping that the image of that piece of human debris vandalizing the Charlie Kirk memorial being slammed to the ground may deter future actions.
The left is going to slowly realize the gloves are off now.
I admire the guy who did the slamming and I would have done the same thing...if not worse.
This is the reality of the left being put on display for the world to see. This is who they are. Nobody on the left condemns these actions because I believe they secretly approve of them. I'm sure they are quite happy with all the horrible things being said about Charlie Kirk.
They don't have the courage to come out and condemn them or come out and voice their approval. Again, this is who they are.
They say nothing about it, but to say nothing, is to be in agreement.Nobody on the left condemns these actions because I believe they secretly approve of them.
They don't have the courage to come out and condemn them or come out and voice their approval. Again, this is who they are.
They say nothing about it, but to say nothing, is to be in agreement.
Obviously, a lie.
But that's MAGA.Nobody on the left condemns these actions because I believe they secretly approve of them.
"Obviously, a lie."
Obviously a painful truth for those on the left.
Prove me wrong. I bet you can't.I dont have to.
Sorry, my observation wasnt for MAGA, it was for any thinking person. You know, to state the obvious.
"I dont have to."
No you don't.
It is obvious the horrible things said about Charlie Kirk by the left since his death is absolutely disgusting.
"it was for any thinking person. You know, to state the obvious."
I agree. The silence by the left when it comes to not saying anything about the ignorant, horrible things said about Charlie Kirk since is death speaks volumes.
To be silent is to agree.
As you said, to state the obvious.Mike, Over the past few days, I’ve noticed a mix of reactions from the left—some remain silent, others lash out with rhetoric, and a few offer half-hearted condolences. To me, all of these feel like coping mechanisms. After all, it would be difficult for them to confront the reality that their past rhetoric may have played a role in this man’s death. Just imagine what it would be like to face that truth. In my view, this man’s death was caused by a hate that was fomented by some on the left, largely for political reasons, and that speaks the loudest to me. The spotlight is now on every representative who spread unwarranted labels, lies, and unleashed their troll posse on social media.
Shar,
I agree with you.
What most of them they say about Charlie Kirk is so asinine and ridiculous.
I think there is a level of jealously.
The left has nobody on their side that can debate and move people like Charlie Kirk. They have no leaders that could appeal to anyone other than their lunatic left base. The democrat party now is a sad and pathetic group of human beings dominated by leftist lunatics.
They can't debate because in the arena of ideas liberals ALWAYS lose.
I have some democrat friends who were crushed by the death of Charlie Kirk. Their Christian faith is more important to them than their politics. They are also frustrated by what the democratic party has turned into.Mike, they can’t debate, how could anyone debate the idea that what is good is now called bad? It’s impossible. They pushed this, and now they have to live with it. Some in Congress must feel pretty foolish today. Just listen to the statements coming out of their far left. Imagine how stupid they must feel being forced to stand with that wing of the party.
And when it comes to their emotions, I see three on full display: jealousy, anger, and above all, fear of what they’ve lost. The Democratic Party, as we once knew it, is finished. What we’re witnessing now is not strength, but the final unraveling of a party that sold itself out to its most radical voices, and there’s no coming back from that.
I mean, look at some of the comments being posted here and repeated over and over. The anger is palpable. They’ve got nothing left to fight with, just the same tired deflections: “hey, look over here,” or “look what he said,” for the millionth time. Do you really think they’ll ever learn? Ever wake up and smell the coffee? LOL.There is ONE individual responsible for Kirk's murder and he is currently in custody... We also have Trump calling Democrats scum....
Shar,
They may think that there is only one person responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk, there are many thousands of those on the left who aided it with their behavior.I argued here that Trump would win both times because I trusted in most Americans’ innate common sense. I truly believe that common sense will prevail, that this man’s death will wake many up to the reality of what’s happening, and yes, some may even feel a measure of guilt for having been part of spreading that hate that killed Charlie.
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Ken, I hear what you’re saying, and I agree with some of it, but consider this: we’re in a new day, starting from January 20th, 2025. We have a president who is a master at navigating the federal courts, and he has been winning the majority of his cases. He’s embarrassed some of the most left-leaning judges and will continue to do so.
Trump is pushing his agenda quickly and strategically. He doesn’t give up, and he’s using the courts very effectively. Just recently, he won a case that affects over 500,000 migrants, that will send them packing, a victory that largely went unnoticed, but it was significant. The tide has truly turned.
The tragic death of this young man, now a martyr, may very well be the turning point we needed. The radical left is all but finished. And let’s not forget what Charlie Kirk accomplished; he awakened a whole generation of young Americans. These young people are now seeing clearly, understanding values and priorities in a way our older generation sometimes struggles with. Kirk unleashed their potential, and that momentum is now unstoppable. I have never been so sure of anything. Besides, I a feeling Trump would win in the last election.
Ken, just look at the flailing about, the anger, the digging about to smear Kirk as well as Trump... Their "look here," their "what about this?" Their "but look at this chart, this poll." Their "Trump said this", Charlie said this...
They are so angry, so very pitiful, and so very done.
Yes, we have tons to clean up. However, we have the right guy to do it.
The point of the left labeling speech as violence was always to justify violence against speech.
The 'Woke Ideology' has had decades to infiltrate the courts, the institutions of government, etc. ...Universities have graduated tens of thousands under the umbrella of Social Justice.
Bring back the mental institutions and convict criminals for their crimes.
Stop releasing illegal migrants and mentally ill people who commit crimes back on the streets to bring more harm.
It's the only way back to having a civil society where people are safe to walk the streets.Or maybe like Fox News advocates for.. just kill em!
I guess encouraging people to kill other people is protected speech. Only in Trump's America.
Yep we have people losing their jobs for voicing opposition to Kirk's views yet Fox stands behind Kilmeade!
Any liberal media would have fired someone who says that on the spot. Heck, they have fire people for less.
The man is still on Fox... That's a fact. Fox didn't give a shit that he said to kill people... That's a fact.
Tell me more about hate speech and how "THE RIGHT" are so concerned with it...You're not telling the whole story.
Why aren't you including the part of the story that covers his apology?
"Fox News host Brian Kilmeade apologizes for saying mentally ill homeless people should be executed"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-news-b … -executed/
If you are going to tell a story, then tell the whole story. Doing this illustrates credibility.
I think the left should be happy. As many times as the view has been forced to apology for what they've said, they're all still employed. They recently had to apologize for what they said about Turning Point USA.So if you throw out the idea of killing the homeless and follow it up by an apology then it's all okay LOL???? Surely people realize how ridiculous that sounds.
We are talking about an individual directly advocating murder while millions of people are listening and watching...
So with your reasoning, a Democrat could do the same, then apologize and you would be perfectly fine with that? I mean that's what you're saying."Democrat could do the same, then apologize and you would be perfectly fine with that?"
You need to read entire posts.
You also need to see the things the view has had to apologize for.
I'm good with an apology.
The problem is, as recent events have shown us, it's possible democrats will actually act upon it.An honest person would realize it was a tongue-in-cheek comment made off the cuff.
An honest person would also include his apology.I don't give a shit about his apology. He said it and it wasn't a joke.. my God.
You should expect nothing less for an apologist for hate speech.
It seem like you don't like to discuss and debate.
Sometimes when people lose an argument they often resort to drama.
I find it exceedingly bizarre that a man advocates for the killing of the homeless as a solution to the issue and not one of the Maga adherents on this forum can call it out as wrong...if this were a CNN personality, we would have seen Fox and others calling for that person's head on an endless loop...
Again, you are not telling the entire story.
You, as you have in the past, forgot about the public apology.
I'm done with this.
It's over.
As far as I'm concerned it's a non issue.The whole simple ridiculous story has been told...
Fox News advocated for the killing of the homeless. Offered up an apology and the man continues to blather on the platform.... Yeah end of story.Not a single Maga follower on this forum has condemned Fox News for its stance on killing the homeless ... I'll assume there is support for the murder of the homeless as a solution to the issue...
What’s being left out in all the headlines is the conversation that actually led up to Kilmeade’s remark, which was context- The discussion wasn’t about homelessness in general, it was about a very specific case in Charlotte where a woman was brutally murdered by a man who was homeless and had a long history of untreated schizophrenia. Lawrence Jones had just said that people with serious mental illness who refuse help should either be forced into treatment or put in jail. That’s when Kilmeade, clearly frustrated and emotional, blurted out something along the lines of, “Or involuntary lethal injection, or something. Just kill ’em.”
Now, was that the right thing to say? No, and Kilmeade himself admitted it was callous. But stripped of the lead-up, the remark looks like he was making a policy declaration about all homeless people, which simply isn’t true at all. What he showed in that moment was a very human reaction: anger, frustration, and despair over a horrific crime that never should have happened. We’ve all had moments where our emotions get the better of us, and this was his. That context matters.
Some in our society have grown accustomed to latching onto a single word or sentence, without giving any thought to the context or the tone in which it was said. They twist even the smallest phrase into whatever best fits their narrative, a kind of reductionist or selectively interpretive mindset. It’s a form of confirmation bias, hearing only what supports what they already believe, while deliberately stripping away context. This “soundbite mentality” makes it easy to distort someone’s meaning, turning passing words into propaganda and reshaping them to serve a pre-set narrative. You can see it especially in online conversations, where certain individuals make a habit of offering only a line or two at a time. There’s no depth in what they say, no ability to form logical points, because they’ve fallen into the very traits described above.There is no context that makes the statement "just kill them" okay or acceptable....my God . If you support the Fox News solution, it would be easier just to say so. The other arguments make no sense whatsoever.
Can anyone here explain, in a logical manner, using reason why and when it would ever be acceptable to state that killing the homeless would be a solution to the problem?
THE CONTEXT...
The comment was made after co-host Lawrence Jones suggested that homeless people who refuse government aid should be jailed....
Kilmeade then added, “Or involuntary lethal injection or something. Just kill them.”‘
WHERE IS THE MISSING CONTEXT...
Absolutely agree with you. The labeling of speech as “violence” has always been a way to suppress opposing viewpoints while excusing actual harmful actions. The consequences we’re seeing now, unchecked crime, unsafe streets, and a culture that rewards disruption, are a direct result of decades of policies that prioritize ideology over common sense and public safety.
Adding to this: real reform starts with holding people accountable, not just for crimes, but for actions that erode our social fabric. Mental health, proper sentencing, and secure borders aren’t “radical”; they’re basic pillars of a functioning society. Until we restore those, civility will continue to decline.
The left has twisted the concept of free speech to shield themselves while labeling anyone who disagrees as “violent” or “hateful.” They use these terms to get away with vile threats, vicious labels, and toxic whistleblowing, all under the guise of morality. When did free speech become synonymous with hate speech? It’s time we have an honest conversation about the concept, defend true free speech, but make it clear that actual hate speech has no place in any society. We can protect the right to speak while still condemning actions or words intended to harm others.
We need to cut their forums, and say no --- no more.Maga, on this forum, seems to be lashing out in all directions. Are people really trying to make an argument that a particular ideology LEAD TO OR MADE THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL MURDER ANOTHER PERSON?
Is that what is being put forward here? At the point we don't even know the man's motive at all?
Well if we're going down the path of "what ifs"...
What if he was motivated by all of the hateful transgender rhetoric? You know the kind that is spread by "the right"
Then it's going to be ALL okay isn't it? Then it's all going to be fine because FREE SPEECH ...right? Then folks are going to flip the script aren't they?
The waffling and lack of any coherent reasoning is a real problem on this forum.Shar,
A friend shared something with me today I thought was very true.
"Charlie Kirk was not murdered by the left because of what he said. He was murdered by the left because others were listening to him and ignoring them."
I think that just about sums it up.What does that even mean?
Kirk was murdered by one man named Tyler Robinson who is currently in custody...I think we are missing something...
The school shootings in TN and Minnesota... by Trans...
This shooting (though I believe they are trying to cover it up to limit the focus on Trans people) is related to Trans...
I saw this post:
Parents who believe in the reality of sex are being investigated by CPS all over the country. They are losing their children for not bending the knee to the trans cult. You don’t hear about it much because the courts gag the parents.
https://x.com/ErinFriday75490/status/19 … 9364869351
I suggest you read the whole thread... I think many of us are unaware of how deep and despicable this has gotten.
Again... as I have said in other posts, we need to stop this effort to accept insanity and immorality... whether its trans or pedos... and start treating them as the mentally ill, or criminal, individuals that they are.
The Biden Administration put them in high profile positions of authority in his Administration, he gave them special minority protections... women lost jobs, scholarships, freedom for trying to speak out against it.
I agree that the two sides cannot find common ground... when one side wants to elevate the insane to positions of power, based not on their ability or merit, but on the fact that they are insane... and the other side wants them locked up, wants to be protected from them, wants them out of women's sports, women's locker rooms and does not want them recognized in society as women... because they are not...
Where can there be a middle ground on an issue like that?
Let alone the next insanity in line they want us to accept...
Minority Attracted Persons...
It was Kirk who was spreading the Hate- here is the proof:
* “Transgender people are a throbbing middle finger to God … [an] abomination.”
* On Leviticus 20:13: he described it as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
* “The great replacement strategy … is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”
* “America does not need more visas for people from India … [the U.S. is] full.”
* “Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people — that’s a fact.”
* “If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
* “Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America… Europe is now a conquered continent.”
* On wives who keep their vote private from their husbands: “You have to ask, what else is she lying to him about? Is she stealing money?”
*“Groomers can’t reproduce, so instead they recruit… they go serve on school boards… and do drag queens.”
“Prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people.”
Media Matters
“If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman…”
Media Matters
“Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.”
Media Matters
“We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor.”
Media Matters
“It’s worth… some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”
Media Matters
“America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years.”
Media Matters
“They love it when America becomes less white.”
Media Matters
“The great replacement strategy… [will] replace white rural America with something different.”
Media Matters
* “Large dedicated Islamic areas are a threat to America.”
Media Matters
* “Islam is not compatible with western civilization.”
Media Matters
* “There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication.”
Media Matters
* “Sending 80+ buses full of patriots to DC to fight for this president.”
Newsweek
* “If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States Marine?”
Media Matters
* “We should have a uniculturalism. One culture, Americanism.”
Media Matters
* “Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America.”
The Guardian
* “Transgenderism is a social contagion.”
Advocate.com
* “He’s a giant F YOU to the feminist establishment.”
ABC
Since you have been silent on all those terrible things Kirk stands for, it is, according to Mike, nice to see you agreeing with them.Again, you've provided no links and no way to prove what you're claiming.
I've come to expect this.
Hiding the real truth is standard for the left.When do you ever proved any proof or links? Besides, that appears to be a knee-jerk comment sense the sources are there or were there the first time I posted them. Look them up if you care so much. It is as easy as hitting a hyperlink.
He pulled you in with short, isolated sentences—no context, no full paragraphs, not even complete thoughts. That kind of fragmented messaging is a classic manipulation tactic. It keeps the mind from settling into critical analysis because there’s nothing to fully evaluate, only quick emotional hits. This is how misinformation spreads: people absorb the fragments, fill in the blanks themselves, and end up believing they’ve been given “facts.” The one-sentence ploy is common in propaganda and brainwashing; it overwhelms with repetition while starving the listener of depth or context.
Anyone can find every single one of those quotes.... It is obvious that posters here are extremely familiar with using the internet and AI to copy paste their content...I will painstakingly document every single one with multiple sources if that's what some folks need?
Here I will do it for you.
Fox News host Brian Kilmeade recently sparked intense backlash after making a deeply disturbing comment on live television. During a segment on Fox & Friends discussing the tragic stabbing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska by a homeless man with a history of mental illness, Kilmeade said, “Or involuntary lethal injection, or something. Just kill ’em”.
The remark was made in the context of a broader conversation about how to handle mentally ill homeless individuals who refuse treatment. His co-hosts did not challenge the statement in real time, and one even responded with, “Why did it have to get to this point?”—seemingly engaging with the idea rather than rejecting it.
After the clip went viral and drew condemnation from public figures including California Governor Gavin Newsom, Kilmeade issued an apology, calling his comment “extremely callous” and acknowledging that many homeless people “deserve our empathy and compassion”.
However, critics argue that the apology was insufficient and that the original statement reflected a broader dehumanizing attitude toward vulnerable populations.
Advocates for the homeless, including Christine Quinn of Win (a shelter provider in NYC), invited Kilmeade to volunteer and see firsthand the realities of homelessness.
Here is media framing that is used by Fox News and the difference with NPR
Fox News: Crime-Driven, Politically Charged Framing
Fox News often frames homelessness through the lens of public safety, urban decay, and government failure. Here's how that plays out:
• Focus on Violent Incidents
Stories often highlight crimes committed by homeless individuals, especially those with untreated mental illness. This reinforces a narrative of threat and urgency.
• Blame on Progressive Policies
Coverage frequently attributes homelessness to liberal governance—e.g., permissive drug laws, defunding police, or refusal to enforce vagrancy laws.
• Language Use
Terms like “transient,” “vagrant,” or “mentally unstable” are common. The tone can be alarmist, emphasizing chaos and disorder.
• Solutions Framed as Enforcement
Fox tends to spotlight solutions like involuntary commitment, increased policing, or clearing encampments. Compassionate approaches are often portrayed as naïve or ineffective.
NPR: Structural, Empathy-Driven Framing
NPR approaches homelessness as a systemic issue rooted in housing policy, healthcare access, and economic inequality:
• Focus on Root Causes
Stories explore how rising rents, stagnant wages, and underfunded mental health services contribute to homelessness. The emphasis is on context, not just symptoms.
• Humanizing the Homeless
NPR often includes personal narratives—interviews with unhoused individuals, social workers, or community advocates. This fosters empathy and complexity.
• Language Use
Terms like “unhoused,” “housing insecure,” or “individuals experiencing homelessness” reflect a more respectful and inclusive tone.
• Solutions Framed as Support
Coverage tends to highlight “Housing First” models, wraparound services, and policy reform. Enforcement is discussed critically, often as a last resort.Again, it's time to be honest for once and tell the entire story.
You need to include the apology.I guess you missed this part.
After the clip went viral and drew condemnation from public figures including California Governor Gavin Newsom, Kilmeade issued an apology, calling his comment “extremely callous” and acknowledging that many homeless people “deserve our empathy and compassion”.
However, critics argue that the apology was insufficient and that the original statement reflected a broader dehumanizing attitude toward vulnerable populations.I guess you missed this part.
After the clip went viral and drew condemnation from public figures including California Governor Gavin Newsom, Kilmeade issued an apology, calling his comment [b]“extremely callous” and acknowledging that many homeless people “deserve our empathy and compassion”.
However, critics argue that the apology was insufficient and that the original statement reflected a broader dehumanizing attitude toward vulnerable populations.
"Anyone can find every single one of those quotes.... It is obvious that posters here are extremely familiar with using the internet and AI to copy paste their content...I will painstakingly document every single one with multiple sources if that's what some folks need?" Willow
Yes, the quotes can be found, all with great context that offers a full picture. But you added nothing of context… did you?
I use AI sparingly, and most of what I post reflects my own style, long before AI could ever be credited for it. My comments are usually lengthy, offering context, informative, and polite (most of the time, LOL), though I can be biting when the situation calls for it. Those who have been here longer can attest to how I communicate. I’ve never had much appreciation for one-liners, especially when they come across as accusatory and lack context. I don't appreciate those who divert and ask questions but never can answer one. I find these types of conversations narrow and what I call fluffy.
Shar,
After what we've experienced in the forums it makes sense that the left would not like Charlie Kirk. They could never defeat him in a debate. Their side is absolutely void of any moral clarity.
They can't be honest. They have to lie and deceive.
They can't tell the truth. They tell half truths and think they've made a point.
They can't tell the entire story as it will destroy their narrative.
The left is entertaining on somedays, annoying on others and usually just amazingly wrong of just about everything.
They are revealing who they are since the death of Charlie Kirk, and it's not a pretty picture.
I'm satisfied knowing they are losing and will continue to lose even more.
Their self destruction is worthy of watching.
And how did they do that? Did the left go into gay-bashing like Kirk did? I don't think so.
"They may think that there is only one person responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk, there are many thousands of those on the left who aided it with their behavior." Mike
Mike, I can only share my perspective. In my view, it was the left’s rhetoric, from social media trolls and members of Congress to former politicians, the biased mainstream media, and other left-wing contributors, that bears responsibility for Charlie’s death.
That's my truth.
Shar,
I spoke with a friend of mine who said we shouldn't feel anger at the leftists.
They have nothing because they are nothing.
The majority of Americans are not buying what leftists are selling. Lies, distortions, falsehoods, and more.
It's difficult to pay any attention to them at all."leftists" aren't selling anything... Any and all high-profile Democrats have come out and swiftly condemned this murder.... And called for the end of political violence. Trump has come out and called half of the country scum. As far as what other people have to say.. it's called free speech...
There’s only freedom of speech if you agree with what is being said?
AGAIN...
Let me get this straight. They’re allowed to call me evil and demonic just because I’m a democrat.
But I can’t call them fascist because somehow that is invoking hate and violence? Nah ... Explain this then
https://x.com/micah_erfan/status/1966667619148222843Mike, I’m not a woman who promotes anger. But there are times when it’s necessary—especially when a destructive element in our society is actively fomenting violence. I’ve always stood against all violence, but you cannot ignore it when rhetoric is pushing people toward killing. This poison has taken root, fueled entirely by words. The good news? That fire can be snuffed out without a single act of force.
That’s why cutting off those who feed it is so important. Deny them the oxygen of platforms and attention, and suddenly their hate speech becomes just empty words. It can’t spread, it can’t infect, and it can’t turn decent people toward anger.
Mike, look at what’s happening here on this forum. Despite your good attempts to respond, do you really feel your words have mattered? The rhetoric has only increased, the anger is palpable, and clearly, they are thriving on exactly what you’re offering.
From my perspective, the left’s rhetoric played a major role in his death. I agree with Trump on this; those who foment hate are, in my opinion, beneath contempt.
Even today, the left is still spreading vile rhetoric about Charlie Kirk. Does anyone need to say more about what killed this man? Yes, his murderer is in custody, but the trolls are still doing what they do best, to use Trump's word, spreading scum. Consider how this will influence common-sense Americans as they try to form their own opinion on what killed this man.
Common sense is a funny thing; it usually acts to create a good majority. This old lady always keeps faith in Americans, and they have, in the end, never disappointed me.
I argued here that Trump would win both times because I trusted in most Americans’ innate common sense. I truly believe that this man’s death will wake many up to the reality of what’s happening, and yes, some may even feel a measure of guilt for having been part of spreading that hate."I’ve always stood against all violence, but you cannot ignore it when rhetoric is pushing people toward killing....
So is it the rhetoric, that 99.9 of us can withstand without going out and committing murder, or is it the weak susceptible mind of the
01%.... What's the solution.
WE ARE ALL HEARING AND SEEING THE RHETORIC DAILY BUT AREN'T GOING OUT TO COMMIT MURDER.
And where were folks concern when the Minnesota lawmaker and her husband were murdered in their bed?
SELECTIVE OUTRAGE RINGS HOLLOW
Let's at least be honest. Folks should just say they don't give a shit when violence happens to the side they oppose.... That's why Trump's followers how old was laughter when he joked about Pelosi... That's why his son put up a meme with the hammer and the underwear. At least they're being honest...'Mike, I’m not a woman who promotes anger. But there are times when it’s necessary—especially when a destructive element in our society is actively fomenting violence." - Then why do you get upset when the Left calls the Right out for all it violent rhetoric, such as that which comes from Kirk? It is only fair, isn't it?
"From my perspective, the left’s rhetoric played a major role in his death.
Based on what law enforcement has learned from the evidence gathered, where does the "left's" rhetoric, as you claimed, fit into Kirk's murder?
"I’ve noticed a mix of reactions from the left—some remain silent, others lash out with rhetoric, and a few offer half-hearted condolences. To me, all of these feel like coping mechanisms.
And how is this different from the reaction of "the right" to the Democratic Minnesota lawmakers who were murdered? Paul Pelosi, who Trump joked about and his son also made a light of with a hammer and underwear post, the arson of Democratic governor Josh Shapiro's home????
When political violence happens... Does this look like an appropriate response??
ONE INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS MURDER....
Using your logic.. Maga is responsible for the murders in minnesota, the bludgeoning of Paul Pelosi, and the burning of Josh Shapiro's home.... ready to take responsibility for that?
Harris did have threats on her life also... Do you think that the multitude of times that Trump called her a fascist played into that?
No one on "the left" condemned these actions are you freaking kidding me???
The influence of Charlie Kirk is surging.
I've never seen or felt this level of determination in the conservative community before. It's refreshing.
Turning Point USA says campus chapter requests surge to over 32,000 after Kirk's assassination
Turning Point USA has seen a massive surge in inquiries for new college chapters as the organization works to advance Charlie Kirk's vision following his assassination last week.
Andrew Kolvet, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show, said Sunday that in the past 48 hours, Turning Point USA (TPUSA) has received more than 32,000 inquiries from people wanting to start new campus chapters.
"To put that in perspective, TPUSA currently has 900 official college chapters and around 1,200 high school chapters, with a presence of 3,500 total," Kolvet, who is also a TPUSA spokesman, wrote on X.Nothing says the left like celebrating the death of a man like Charlie Kirk.
NJ hospital nurse claims retaliation for reporting doctor who 'celebrated' Kirk assassination
A New Jersey nurse who reported a doctor who allegedly "cheered and celebrated" Charlie Kirk's assassination "is about to be fired," her lawyer said in a lawsuit filed on Friday.
Lexi Kuenzle, 33, a nurse at Englewood Health, filed suit Friday against the hospital, Dr. Matthew Jung and others for the incident that allegedly occurred "in front of patients and staff."
"She had the audacity to question how Dr. Jung can comply with the Hippocratic Oath’s and the American Medical Association’s Code of Medical Ethics while celebrating the murder of a non-violent Christian speaker who was on a college campus," Kunezle's attorney John Coyle said in the complaint. ,
Dr. Jung then allegedly "offered to ‘buy lunch’ for the nursing staff that he offended," the lawsuit states.
Kuenzle reported Wednesday's incident to management and posted about it on social media when she got home, she told the New York Post.
"You’re a doctor. How could you say someone deserved to die?" she recalled saying in response. "It was mind-blowing to me. I was so angry and upset."
Following her complaint, the nurse claimed she was suspended without pay while an investigation took place.
The complaint claims the hospital violated the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination due to their knowledge of Kuenzle's Christian faith, retaliated against her, violated the Conscientious Employee Protection Act and created a hostile work environment. Kuenzle is demanding a jury trial, and is seeking unspecified monetary damages.
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