What do Conservatives want for America? Conservatives view America

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  1. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks ago

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    as going on a downhill spiral due to so-called Liberalism.  Conservatives maintain that the Democratic party as undermining America.  Conservatives further contend that Donald Trump is returning America to solid values & prosperity.  If you are a Conservative, what do you want for America?  What are your values?

    1. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Many conservatives I know (not all) simply want to return to the 1950s.

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Don, exactly.  Conservatives want things the old way.  They are afraid of change & progress.  They contend that things were so much better in the old days.  They are threatened by change.  They view change as the downfall of America.  They want Blacks to be silent, women to be barefoot & pregnant, the LGBT community to be back in the closet & other marginalized groups to disappear.   

        Conservatives seem to have a particular animus towards women.  Their main animus is surrounding the liberation of women, particularly reproductive liberation.  Conservatives don't want to be corrected regarding their atavistic perspectives on sociopolitical issues.  They want a strictly delineated & hierarchical America among gender & racial lines.  They want each group to be in their respective places.

        1. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          What in heavens name are you talking about?  Seriously, you seem to not be aware there are millions of conservative women, blacks as well as all minorities.  One of the most conservative person I know is gay.  The rest of your statement is just senseless ranting.  Reproductive liberation? Great made up word.  Do you really think what you've written makes any sense at all?

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            GW is correct. Again, please read more from credible sources and quit making false claims as fact.

            Republican support among women for the Republican Party has been declining for years because of its anti-women and anti-minority policies and is declining even more quickly under Trump.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … a1b06125c5

            Meanwhile, black support for Trump is a whopping 10-15%.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon … a3f67d7669

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Do you find it as comical as I do that the only "credible" sources are inevitably the ones saying what we want to hear? big_smile

              1. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Prove they are wrong.

            2. Readmikenow profile image97
              Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Okay, they're wrong.  Here is the liberal USA today with a poll showing support for President Donald Trump among blacks is 36 percent.

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 013212002/

              Women, he's unpopular with certain segments of women but not all.  Many really like him.

              https://www.vox.com/2018/7/25/17607232/ … hite-women

              1. Don W profile image84
                Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                No, that is USA Today reporting on a poll from "Rasmussen Reports".

                The same Rasmussen Reports that is run by conservative analyst Scott Rasmussen, who's polls many people believe are "at best, the result of a flawed polling model and, at worst, designed to undermine Democratic politicians and the party’s national agenda"(1).

                The same Rasmussen Reports that has been repeatedly criticised for being biased(2).

                Promisem said: "Republican support among women for the Republican Party has been declining . . . " (my emphasis).

                You replied with an article title: "Trump’s enduring political strength with white women, explained" (my emphasis)(3). Since when does "women" mean "white women"? In what way does that article refute what Promisem said?

                (1) https://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/ … sen-031047
                (2) https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8 … t-approval
                (3) https://www.vox.com/2018/7/25/17607232/ … hite-women

                1. Readmikenow profile image97
                  Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Don,

                  Say what you will about Rasmussen being conservative.

                  It is also a very accurate polling company.  One of the few polling companies that accurately predicted Donald Trump winning the presidency. 

                  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … s_it_right

                  It's obvious being conservative hasn't prevented them from providing accurate polling data.  Facts are facts.

                  Women is a word made up of all different types of women.  My point is he is not popular with some women and very popular with others.  To say he's unpopular with ALL women or to even insinuate it, is completely false.

                  1. Don W profile image84
                    Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    You implied USA Today was supporting your view. You made a point about it because you deem it to be a "liberal" source.

                    It wasn't supporting your view. It was merely reporting on a poll by Rasmussen Reports.

                    It is a fact that Rasmussen Reports' polls have been repeatedly criticized for bias. Having read some of the criticisms, it seems those criticism are less related to Rasmussen being conservative, and more related to the methodology of the polls.

                    And thank you for the insight that white women are part of a set of people who are women, but that's by the by. Promisem said:

                    "Republican support among women for the Republican Party has been declining for years because of its anti-women and anti-minority policies, and is declining even more quickly under Trump".

                    The article he linked to referenced several polls with data that shows more women, across the board, said they would vote Democrat rather than Republican in the mid terms. I don't know how accurate those polls are, but they support Promisem's view that there is a particular decline in support from women, for Republicans, under Trump.

                    You aimed to refute that, but having checked both sources you provided, we can conclude that one has a reputation for being biased, and the other does not refute the point you are trying to refute.

                  2. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Sorry, wrong again. Many polls predicted accurately within the margin of error in the final weeks that Clinton would win the majority of votes by 2-3 percent.

                    And she did.

                    The only reason she didn't get the Presidency is because of the electoral votes. Plus Russian money funneled into the GOP and NRA.

                2. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  The white evangelical women I know who are still Republican think they are supposed to be subservient to men. Their Bible tells them so.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    LOL. Really? In America today? How many women is that? 1? 2, possibly?

                  2. Don W profile image84
                    Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Interesting. I wish Gallup or Pew would do a study on Christian attitudes.

                    I'd like to know:

                    What percentage Christian Evangelicals (for example) would definitely make the country a theocracy if they had the choice?
                    What percentage believe women should be subservient to men?
                    What percentage believe homosexuality should be illegal?
                    What are their views on race, gender etc?

                    Would be an interesting exercise.

                  3. Ken Burgess profile image88
                    Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    That terrible Bible thing... cause of all the worlds evils, liberated women know far better than to give that a moments thought.

              2. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Don is quite right. Rasmussen is so discredited by inaccurate polls for Fox News that the founder got driven out of his own company.

                He even predicted on Election Day that Romney would have a landslide win over Obama. We know how that turned out.

                1. Readmikenow profile image97
                  Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You would be VERY hard pressed to provide any proof of Rasmussen being discredited. You shouldn't say such things unless you can prove them.  That's what Democrats do.

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Still at it, huh?  wink

                    It's easy to prove. Real Clear Politics tracks polls from multiple sources. Rasmussen consistently shows every Republican including Trump getting much higher numbers than all of the other polls combined.

                    It has always done it that way.

                    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

                    Trump's amazing approval rating is one obvious example. Rasmussen always gives him an approval rating 5-10 points higher than anyone else.

          2. Ken Burgess profile image88
            Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Very true, what is good for the American economy is good for all Americans, regardless of race or sex, if you want better wages, want better job opportunity, you want a good economy.

            So I want a President that is attacking the unfair trade agreements we have had with other countries for decades... while that helped those developing countries and international corporations rake in the profits from using slave labor, it has devastated our industrial base and the upward mobility for the Middle Class here in America.

            Its time to turn that around, as Trump has been doing.

            Also we want to maintain at least a semblance of our two party, citizen represented political system... we were on the verge of becoming a Banana Republic, and we are still fighting the forces that want America to become something it never was, or want to do away with the nation-state all together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_guk9LC8g

            There is a lot Conservatives want, and despite the accusations and rhetoric emanating from the disparaging Left, it has nothing to do with race, sex, or going back to the 1950s.

            In fact, I would say it is the Left that is trying to recreate the 60s, and the need for revolution against men, against racial oppression, etc. that does not exist today in our laws, our government programs, or society at a large.  Its an effort to break Americans apart into small, warring factions, divided Americans are far easier to manipulate and control, and that is the ultimate goal of the 'evil forces' that would strip away our freedoms, rights, and wealth as a nation. 

            Divide us by whatever means necessary, don't think of yourself as an American... think of yourself as an oppressed minority, or oppressed woman, etc.  in reality we exist in the most liberated, free, wealthy time in the history of all mankind, but the 'Left' is trying like hell to get us to throw it all away.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Why exactly are the trade agreements unfair?

              1. Ken Burgess profile image88
                Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Well lets see, the 500 Billion dollar trade imbalance with China in large part due to their 'special status' formerly 'favored nation status', but essentially remaining the same for the past 40 years.

                NAFTA which incentivized companies to move to Canada or Mexico where labor is cheaper, taxes are lower (until Trump changed America's corporate tax rate from the highest in the world to middle-of -the-pack and lower than Mexico) and in addition directly resulted in tens of thousands of Americans (IE - Truckers) losing their non-manufacturing jobs because of the changes this agreement established.

                I could go on and on... and I have, in various Hubs, so if you are interested you can go read those that are related to this issue.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Those sound like reasons to blame the companies that take advantage of the agreements rather than the agreements themselves.

                  Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?

                  1. Readmikenow profile image97
                    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    No, it's the agreements.  They restrict companies by what they can sell, how much they can sell, when they can sell, the price structure of things they sell and more.  You should read some of these agreements and see what companies doing business on an international level have to go through to sell their products overseas. They set the tax rate on what is sold and more.

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image88
                    Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    That's absurd.

                    Yes companies are about maximizing profit.

                    And our government is supposed to be about maximizing the wellbeing and opportunity of its citizens, and looking out for its National interests.

                    So, no, allowing China to continue to fleece America, or allowing companies the opportunity to make things in Mexico at the expense of our own citizens is NOT the job of our government... but that is exactly what our corrupt politicians have allowed and abetted, especially the last two Administrations that ignored the matter as it grew out of control (or worse, helped facilitate it), rather than address it.

        2. Don W profile image84
          Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          This is true of many conservatives. There is a difference between Trump fanatics and people who are simply political conservatives though. In the same way there is a difference between revolutionary Marxists and people who are just politically liberal.

          Many of the fanatics on this forum (I think we all know who they are) would have you believe that distinction does not exist. Mainly because division and discord is what allows people like Donald Trump to thrive. The more fear that can be stoked up, the better it is for Trump and his ilk.

          That's why everything is always the fault of the blacks, the immigrants, the gays, the liberals, the press. Trump (and by extension the Republican Party which has now been hijacked) needs an enemy to scare people into accepting ever-extreme policies.

          Those policies mostly consist of dismantling the state, i.e. federal agencies that protect people from the harm that can be caused by unbridled "greed is good" capitalism, and maintaining the status quo. The problem with maintaining the status quo,or going back to the 50s, is that you retain (regain) all the racial inequality, gender inequality, misogyny, homophobia etc. that goes with it.

          1. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            LOL. Prove the allegations. Who is blaming blacks, immigrants or gays?


            The left shoots itself in the foot, at every  turn, through baseless bs fear mongering, and the foolish fall for it.

            Give a list of your claimed allegations against blacks, immigrants and gays.

          2. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Don,

            If I had a daily award for unsubstantiated claims, you would win.  When I read your last post I heard the theme of the Twilight Zone being played.

            1. Don W profile image84
              Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              You mean Trump fanatics no longer think the country is in a state because of minorities, immigrants, gay people, feminists, the press and liberals? I must have missed that memo. When did that change happen?

              1. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Yeah, probably because there never such a memo. Good imagination.

          3. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Agreed. There is a huge difference between Trump fanatics and true conservatives who have a clear understanding of economics and the Constitution.

          4. profile image79
            Hxprofposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            I don't see the "going back to the 50's thing" at all.  True, many conservatives want to take government back a notch, believing that the federal government is now WAY to powerful in terms of what it can regulate. State governments have the constitutional authority to regulate all they want, but that power wasn't provided for the Feds.

            That said, I'm in favor of some federal intervention, though I agree with many of my conservative colleagues that the federal government has way overstepped its constitutional authority.

            1. Don W profile image84
              Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Well it's interesting you say that.

              From what I can see, government intervention is bad when it involves something that some conservatives don't like (like protecting people and the environment against certain corporate interests) and good when it involves something some conservatives do like (like making the internet less neutral for the benefit of corporate interests).

              All seems a bit "fluid" to me.

              Likewise people who are "fiscal conservatives" are suddenly supporting tax breaks that increase the deficit.

              So I know what I'm waiting for. The return of knowing what "conservative" means. Once upon a time, if someone said they were conservative, you knew they believed in small government, balanced budget etc.

              Whatever this new thing is, it doesn't look like conservatism to me. It just looks like a random selection of opportunistic positions that shifts as often as the wind changes. Maybe it is conservatism, and I just don't understand it.

              1. profile image79
                Hxprofposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                My "thing" is this: I support, kind of, the feds requiring a minimum wage - is that constitutional? No; however, a completely tether free economy tends to become abusive, so a little regulation is necessary.  That gives you an idea of where I come from.

                "government intervention is bad when it involves something that some conservatives don't like (like protecting people and the environment against certain corporate interests) and good when it involves something some conservatives do like (like making the internet less neutral for the benefit of corporate interests)".  Many conservatives I know, including myself, try to run the straight line between over-involvement by the government, and that involvement which is absolutely necessary.  For me, that leaves out ANY involvement which is strictly about making life fair.  Also leaves out the feds telling people what they have to buy; that partly explains my opposition to Obamacare.

                In short, many conservatives, including myself, that believe in small government and balanced budgets, have made compromises that we deem are necessary, but probably not desirable.

                1. Don W profile image84
                  Don Wposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Funny thing is, I know many liberals who would say something similar, but obviously from a liberal perspective.

                  E.g. walking the line between a market economy that delivers prosperity and can transform people's lives, and the belief that there is a legitimate role for government in addressing economic and social issues like poverty, health care, education etc.

                  Many of my liberal colleagues will accept that a competitive market economy can be beneficial, but do not accept that the desire for profit should supersede the needs of people. That includes any situation where government supports corporate interests that are not also in people's interests.

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Yes, both say the same thing but from radically differing levels.  One wants as large a nanny state as they can get, one wants as little government as possible.

                    One of the differences, seems to me, is that innocuous statement that liberals "do not accept that the desire for profit should supersede the needs of people. "  That the "needs of the people" always override the need for profit, without ever going so far as to realize that without profit there will be nothing at all for the needs of the people. 

                    One example might be the requirements for running a small business - it has become nearly impossible to start up a new business without a huge outlay of cash to satisfy the perceived needs of the people.  So there is no business, no job and the needs of the people are completely unsatisfied.

    2. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      It's helpful to distinguish between fake conservatives and true ones.

      Fake conservatives support Trump and his budget-busting tax cuts and attacks on the Constitution.

      True conservatives oppose massive tax cuts while increasing spending (mainly on "defense"). They also defend the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights and not just the 2nd Amendment.

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Correctly stated.  There are so many pseudo-Conservatives, particularly in the forums!

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          what forums ... not here!

      2. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        You couldn't be more wrong on tax cuts and more. I don't care what you claim your background to be, you don't know what is a true conservative.

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I'm clearly more of a true conservative than you. I know you don't slash taxes and raise spending in a growing economy.

          Only a fake conservative thinks that's a good idea.

          Now is a time when the government should be running a budget surplus and paying down the national debt.

          Please read more from credible sources about real economics (not Breitbart propaganda), starting with Trump's skyrocketing deficit.

          https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-bu … 2018-09-11

          1. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Give it time, President Ronald Reagan faced the same situation.  As the economy continues grow so will the tax base. One of the major tenets of Conservatism is letting people keep more of the money they earn. 

            Please pay attention to #8

            http://humanevents.com/2006/12/20/ten-p … servatism/

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              I agree with #8, but not to the point where it bankrupts the country.

              1. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Maybe you should read a bit of information from the Tax Policy Center.  There is a good chance tax cuts will pay for themselves. 

                https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefin … themselves

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  This country went through the same thing with Reagan. It didn't work then, and there is no reason to think it's working now.

                  Have you seen today's stock market crash? It's not a positive sign.

                2. profile image79
                  Hxprofposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Readmikenow, sadly, I don't see how the tax cuts will pay for themselves.  We need economic growth of 3% (minimum) per year....not likely to happen. And neither Trump nor Congress seems to be in the mood to cut spending at all.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image97
                    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Hxprof, I am going to have to disagree with you.  The economy is growing at a faster rate than predicted.  Here is a scorecard from Forbes. When you look at the graphs realize they only cover up to June of 2018, only half the year. By July of 2018, the economy grew at a rate of 2.9 percent, and is expected to go higher.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones … 26047e1283

                  2. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Agreed. They are always a temporary boost and then drive up the national debt in the long run.

                    The scary part is, when the next recession comes, the government and the Fed will have too much debt to do much stimulating.

            2. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              What about my point? Do you think it's a conservative principle to cut taxes and increase spending at the same time?

  2. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 5 weeks ago

    What gm and her like want is for us to lose it and call them names so they can attempt to get us banned , old tactic , new day .

    MIke , Dems are stuck in a downfall trying to reuse old political tactics , relying on the decency of conservatives to BACK OFF when they falsely  accuse us of  racism , bigotry , misogyny , the very habits they are guilty of !   

    They are losing so badly across the political spectrum   that their politically enslaved groups like women , minorities , blacks , hispanics are deserting the democratic party in droves ,  Blacks now support Trump by approximately 34 % .  up from  about 10 %,
    What does that say ?

    A Dying democratic party . Don't take the bait .

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      OH GOD, HE'S...……….BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK...…………….DAMN!  Another, incoherent, illogical rant by ED as usual.   If one wants laughs, have Ed participate in the forums.   Incoherency at its most sublime...………...

      https://hubstatic.com/12063563.jpg

      1. Ed Fisher profile image60
        Ed Fisherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        See what I mean ?    Wouldn't it be really nice if eevveerryyoonnee'  just shut up and swallowed the whole liberal message without question ?

        I was in a seventh grade class recently when the male teacher began the" fixed" discussion of how climate warming  is destroying the whole world's environment and a seventh grade girl raised her hand and asked the teacher ...."If we shouldn't consider that it may be a natural climate cycling ".... , of course the teacher quickly silenced the girl  .

        That is how liberals HAVE to think , all for one group thought , if you don't you are wrong , categorized and ostracized  !

        gm. I'm not only BAAAACK , I'm right ! Offer some debate or sit down and be quiet , stoping being childish .

        1. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          It is stopping.  You can't even spell properly.  Your English is beyond atrocious. You obviously never completed school.  No one who is intelligent & educated is taking you seriously.  You aren't respected, you are even despised in the forums.  Even I now despise you.  I refuse to stoop to a lower level to discuss anything w/you.  You are THE LAST person anyone would engage in a discussion with.   You can talk to yourself.  Do me a favor, DON'T EVER COME TO MY POSTS AGAIN!  Hillary Clinton was RIGHT about the deplorables & their low intelligence.   I debate people whom I respect & I don't have any respect for you whatsoever!

          1. GA Anderson profile image82
            GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            No gmwilliams, from what I have seen on your threads these last few days, Ed is not the least respected forum poster.

            GA

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Wow, GA, you're taking the gloves off these days!

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Do you recall a hubber 2-3 years ago that got increasingly rude and obnoxious in the forums in a deliberate experiment to see what it took to be banned?  Had a few people in tears, and finally left in a huff (after regaining forum privileges) with a tirade about how awful HP, the people and the writers were.

                1. gmwilliams profile image83
                  gmwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I do, shhhh, the hubber returned to HubPages, Wilderness.  The hubber is much calmer now.

              2. GA Anderson profile image82
                GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                That last tirade deserved it promisem. No walk-backs on this one.

                To be purposely demeaning and insulting in such a blatant manner is out of line.

                You responded to my comment, which didn't include what prompted it. So take a look at what I was responding to:


                How else could that comment be read other than being purposely hurtful? How would you respond to such a post?

                GA

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Notice my comment was an observation and not a judgment.

                  I was simply surprised at how hard you struck back at someone who was responding to another poster who called her childish and baited her, among other comments.

                  The baiter also has a long history of being uncivil and has been banned in the past.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image82
                    GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I can accept it as an "observation" promisem. But, you should also notice that my comment wasn't a defense of Ed, (although, considering the force of her charges, I would do so), it was just addressing the content.

                    However, even though prior to a gmwilliams apology, I said there would be no "walk-back" of my comment, I am relieved that I can gladly walk-it-back now.

                    GA

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            I respect and understand ahorseback Ed and always have! Huh!!!!

            The new format here makes typing way harder. The intuitive aspect makes you spell things in the wrong way, such as through for throw. It gets tedious correcting the stupid intuitive feature which we now have to deal with All The Time!!!

      2. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        You mean Ed / Ahorseback.  smile

  3. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 5 weeks ago

    gm, it doesn't even bother me of how you emote all this, apparently  your emotions are clouding your responses so I'll leave you to that misery . no sense kicking a hornet's nest . if you seriously wanted to debate you wouldn't resort to the usual liberal "go to ", the personal attack .   So I'll give you an out here because of your limitations of group thought  and lack of debating skill ..........

    Have a nice day !

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Ed, I apologize profusely.   My actions were uncalled for.   I am calling a truce.  Let's begin again on a positive note.   To each, his own.  Conservative, Liberal, Moderate, who cares.  We are all God's children.

      1. GA Anderson profile image82
        GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Sometimes it is a relief to be wrong gmwilliams. You just proved a recent insinuation of mine was wrong.

        Whew!

        GA

      2. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        I'm sure Ed is grateful for your gracious comment and will likewise treat you and others with more respect going forward.

        Right, Ed?  smile

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Lol, when pigs fly.

      3. Don W profile image84
        Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        gmwilliams, based on comments of yours I have seen across the forum, that post struck me as uncharacteristic.

        kudos for owning it though, and trying to do the right thing. I only wish others on the forum would take the same responsibility for their comments.

  4. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 5 weeks ago

    Problem is , IS Trump acting conservatively? Sure he's slashed incoming tax revenues , feeding the war machine in spite of peacetime ,  spending fairly liberally ,   but watch what happens  when nov. tells us what it has to say .   He'll either continue saving dollars or a newly won democratic house will blow all the proceeds like they did to Reagan's incredible savings.

  5. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 5 weeks ago

    It is interesting, reading posts from those who do not call themselves conservatives, what a conservative is and what a conservative wants. If you agree with them then you aren't a conservative. If you don't, you are.

    I label myself conservative because I think it represents fairness to the individual, individual rights and liberties, a commitment to equality and compassion tempered with a heavy dose of fiscal responsibility. Although, I don't believe the people in power represent those views, I don't think the people in power fairly represent the left either.

  6. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 4 weeks ago

    Got to hand it to Don W , he disses Rasmussen who's been around forever and fairly accurate and then offers up some weird news polls invented by the 93% media that is biased against Trump to begin with -as "proof "  .    Rasmussen  was one of the inventors of polls and now [today's liberal  ]  is going to shoot the messenger for telling them the truths that they don't like listening to?


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    Come on ! DonW.

    1. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I didn't offer any of these polls as proof, Readmikenow did, as you can see from his post:

      https://hubpages.com/forum/post/4036030

      If you have a query about their credibility, ask him about it.

      I'm merely pointing the data was not from USA Today, it was simply being reported on by USA Today. And pointing out that a poll of white women, doesn't refute what Promisem said about women moving away from the republican party, because "women" does not mean "white women".

  7. GA Anderson profile image82
    GA Andersonposted 4 weeks ago

    Hey Don, let me draw you into a tangent relative to your comment.

    "What percentage Christian Evangelicals (for example) would definitely make the country a theocracy if they had the choice?"

    That you posed this question seems to indicate you think a lot of them would. I haven't done any research on it. I don't claim any authority on knowing whether it is right or wrong - but, it wouldn't have occurred to me that any but the most fundamental of fundamentalists would want a theocratic government.

    Do you think a large segment of all Evangelists really would want to go that far? Or are you thinking more along the lines of those Westboro church-type folks?

    GA

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I think you're right - there is but a tiny minority that would like a theocracy.  Of course they have the loudest voices...

      But that does not mean that a great many would not try and fit their belief system into the law.  Prohibition comes to mind, as does the massive fight over gay marriage, Intelligent Design and abortion - all religious issues.  Indeed, we continue to hear cries that Christianity is under "attack"...because their control is slipping and they don't have the political power to create law or rules from dogma as much any more.  Again, prayer in school, religious icons on public ground, even the blue laws (which still exist in some places) come to mind.

      1. GA Anderson profile image82
        GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        That's how I see too. But that also means we are drawing a line between an actual theocracy and a religiously guided government. That line could get to be pretty blurry.

        GA

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes it can.  When the King is in the pocket of the priesthood is it a theocracy or a religiously guided government?  Which is much of the Middle East?  Blurry, indeed.

    2. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      At this point I honestly don't know. I try to stay optimistic. It's not easy.

      Perhaps you're right, support for a full blown theocracy would be too extreme for most, but I see many Christians who are not content to be left alone to believe what they believe.

      Instead they want to frame laws that effectively force everyone to live according to their beliefs. Women's reproductive rights is one example. I think it's reasonable to say the biggest cause of opposition to a woman's right to choose is religious belief (relating to the belief that human life begins at conception).

      Similarly with same sex marriage. For many Christians it's not enough to be left to practice whatever they believe, and leave others to follow their own beliefs. Those Christians want marriage to be legally defined exclusively according to their specific religious beliefs, regardless of what anyone else in the country thinks.

      And don't get me started on teaching about evolution.

      So maybe I'd change the question from asking about a theocracy, to something about how much legislation Christians believe should specifically reflect Christian values (in cases where those values differ from non-Christian values).

      Essentially I'd like to know how many Christians would impose Christian beliefs on everyone else through legislation. It's seems to be a high number.

      [Edit] I just saw your post to wilderness and you summarized what I'm referring to: "But that also means we are drawing a line between an actual theocracy and a religiously guided government. That line could get to be pretty blurry".

      1. GA Anderson profile image82
        GA Andersonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Ha! You are 'preaching to the choir' now Don, (sorry, it was to cheesy to resist).

        With the question re-framed, I would worry that a large segment would want almost all laws molded by their religious beliefs. And I agree with your other comments too. I think religious beliefs should be personal - unless asked.

        GA

  8. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 3 weeks ago

    What liberals want is to take the proceeds from the only profitable and successful economy --known as capitalism AND spend it on the most costly programs of the most failing government style known TO man  -socialism .

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

      "AND spend it on the most costly programs!"

        Ben Franklin said, "The good of money is the use of money."

      Shouldn't we give it to them to use?

      After all, THEY are the softhearted, the kind hearted, the caring, the compassionate ones.

      and some of us who earn the money are apparently not.

      ...such a dilemma for them, is it not??? lol

  9. Ed Fisher profile image60
    Ed Fisherposted 3 weeks ago

    Americans have raised a generation [or two ]  who stare bright eyed at the brass rings in life and nothing more . " Free " now includes anything that they want at other peoples expense .
    Politically life should mirror our existence on the street , work or go hungry and homeless . Chose working and having or chose living without .

 
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