Will Chicago Blacks Be Voting For Trump?

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   Sharlee01posted 11 months ago

   Chicago voters send message to Biden ahead of visit: City 'completely fed up' with Democrats
   Betty Guider tells 'FOX & Friends First' Black residents ready to support Trump as migrants trigger outrage
   
   "Chicago residents expressed frustration and anger with President Biden ahead of his visit to the city, warning that Black voters are turning on the Democratic Party in huge numbers.
   
   P-Rae Easley and Betty Guider joined "FOX & Friends First" on Wednesday to explain why they think the city is no longer "the Democratic stronghold that they anticipated."
   
   "The city is completely fed up with the Democratic Party. We are stepping over illegals every day. They are now trying to break into people's homes. Gas is through the roof, groceries are through the roof, violence is up. Nothing is comfortable here under Democratic leadership. We're all moving on," said Easley.
   
   Guider explained that the Democratic Party has always counted on support from the Black community, but now Democrats seem to have stopped trying to appeal to Black voters.
   
   "So many of our Black members have decided to change over, to switch from blue to red. And I think it's kind of too late now to come to Chicago to appeal to us. It's nothing here for him. We are fed up," said Guider.
   
   Easley thinks more voters are going to vote for Trump despite Biden winning the city in 2020 by a landslide. She said the situation is changing quickly because of Democrats' policies on migrants.
   
   "I think that they're definitely going to vote for Donald Trump, because we can't afford to keep subsidizing the illegals who are coming here. … People are proudly stating that they're going to vote for the first time in their lives, and they're going to run to the polls to vote for Donald John Trump," she added.
   
   Guider explained that Chicago residents are tired of the same issues facing the city but meanwhile, support is available for illegal immigrants.
   
   "Our school system here, particularly in the Black community, has suffered tremendously. Our students are leaving our communities to go to other schools. The crime rate is still very high here," she said.
   
   Guider said there are many unsolved murders and voters are infuriated to see resources being allocated to illegal immigrants.
   
   "So many things that money could have been used for. And as a people here, we've been told that we have no money. There is no money for Chicago that has citizens here. But now all of a sudden, monies are coming in to support illegal aliens, not migrants, to support illegals. We are the citizens here, right? We've paid into the system. We're suffering," she said.
   
   According to FOX 32 Chicago, Biden will be in Chicago on Wednesday for a fundraiser to support his campaign. Biden visited Chicago last month for another campaign fundraiser, and Vice President Harris will visit on May 16."
   
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      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I wouldn't count on it, supporting Republicans it is like jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Blacks know intrisincally that Republicans can never be their friends.

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         Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

         I wouldn't dare make any assumptions about whether more Black individuals will vote for Trump this time around. However, it's evident that his stance on open borders has angered many Black citizens. This article reflects the frustrations of Blacks in Chicago, indicating their considerable discontent.

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            Springboardposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I read somewhere that Trump has support from roughly 10% of the black vote, which is a considerable number and substantially higher than he had even in 2016.
            
            The only thing I will say is that the frustrations expressed are very real, and I don't think it's just blacks in Chicago feeling them. If these disastrous policies are affecting all Americans, of course blacks are Americans too and they are feeling the same in black communities across the nation.
            
            The thing is, there's nowhere else for them to lay the blame OTHER than where it belongs. On the Democrats. They are in charge of their city. They are in charge of the federal government. It's obvious who to blame.
            
            As well, as I wrote in another forum, people are seeing Trump's years in a more visible light as well—living in Biden's America now it's much easier to admit it was MUCH better when Trump was president. And the two BIGGEST issues Americans are concerned about, the economy and illegal immigration, are of course key areas where Trump excelled.
            
            Let's not forget as well that when Trump was president, the black unemployment rate was the lowest in history. Biden reversed that back to the old numbers.

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               Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

               It appears that the discontent among black citizens in Chicago is reflective of a broader sentiment across predominantly Blue states, largely attributed to their sanctuary city policies. The rush to embrace such policies without thorough consideration has led to cities offering enticing incentives for migrants. Yet, amidst these offerings, it's evident that many black communities feel overlooked, with public schools overwhelmed and migrant presence dominating their neighborhoods. It's understandable that this disparity would leave black residents feeling marginalized. It seems that their concerns have been relegated to the back burner of liberal priorities, prompting a realization among many that their own issues are not being adequately championed.
               
               You've hit the nail on the head. The current administration's failure to address the open border situation is solely to blame for the chaos we're witnessing. As I've mentioned before, certain blue states have rolled out the red carpet for migrants, offering them benefits that aren't extended to the impoverished residents, including many black citizens, who live alongside them. It's no wonder that many black citizens are dissatisfied with this disparity. It wouldn't be surprising if they turned to Trump, given his campaign's emphasis on stronger immigration policies. It's all just common sense, really.
               
               it's important to acknowledge the factual data. During Trump's presidency, the black unemployment rate reached its lowest point in history. However, under Biden's administration, we've seen a recent reversal of those gains, with the numbers returning to previous levels. It's a significant aspect to consider when evaluating the impact of different administrations on minority employment.
               
               April 8, 2024 CURRENT  Source on Black unemployment   "But one bit of bad news caught our attention: Unemployment among Black workers rose sharply, up to 6.4%, in March, a 0.8% increase from March 2023. It hasn't been that high since the middle of 2022. By contrast, unemployment for white workers held steady, at 3.4% — just about half the rate of Black workers. "Apr 8, 2024"
               https://www.marketplace.org/2024/04/08/ … re-strong/

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                  Willowarborposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  "As I've mentioned before, certain blue states have rolled out the red carpet for migrants, offering them benefits that aren't extended to the impoverished residents,"
                  
                  Which benefits would those be?
                  
                  But in terms of unemployment, hadn't black unemployment been falling long before Trump took office?  The declines don't appear to have picked up speed as he began his term. This implies that there's nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.
                  
                  This rate has been falling relatively steadily since around 2010.
                  
                  "So have the unemployment rates for all races and ethnic groups tracked by the Labor Department. In general, these unemployment rates tend to move together. So while Trump called out the African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates, they haven't changed in any remarkable way, relative to other groups' unemployment rates."
                  
                  "During Trump's presidency, the black unemployment rate reached its lowest point in history."
                  
                  That is until a new low was reached under the Biden administration...
                  
                  "data released by the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) in May (2023) showed the unemployment rate for Black U.S. residents shrunk to a record-low 4.7 percent in April—the first time the rate fell below 5 percent since the department began tracking the statistic for Black individuals in 1972.
                  
                  Black unemployment currently stands at 5.6%. not 6.4.
                  
                  https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_unemp … n_american
                  
                  https://www.npr.org/2018/01/08/57655202 … -hispanics

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         Readmikenowposted 11 months agoin reply to this

         "Blacks know intrisincally that Republicans can never be their friends."
         
         I would say that is a view held by liberal blacks. 
         
         Conservative blacks see things very differently.

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            Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Conservative blacks certainly do not embrace Trump. Regardless, there Is not a whole lot of them, is there?

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               Springboardposted 11 months agoin reply to this

               Where are you getting that information from? I know MANY blacks voting for Trump.

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                  Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  One only consults the many polls on the subject, and yes Trump has picked up double digits regarding black voters, compared to what he had in 2016, and 2020.
                  https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalba … for-trump/
                  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 504174007/

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                  Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Do you really think that they are going to tell you?
                  
                  I heard a lot of stuff about that the African American community was going the see the light and actually vote for their nemesis with all the Candice Owens stuff back in 2020. But, who knows, Jim, but if history is an accurate guide, I wouldn't count on it.

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                     Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                     t seems that in 2020, polls didn't indicate strong support for Black citizens voting Republican, unlike the current situation. Perhaps, witnessing the perceived decline of the country under Biden's leadership has prompted a reconsideration of their political allegiance. It's now 2024, and it feels as though you may be saying there's an assumption that historical voting patterns dictate Black voters' decisions without considering evolving perspectives and circumstances. There's a suggestion that Black voters simply follow tradition without much thought, but time brings change, and people adapt accordingly. In my view, so do black citizens.
                     
                     "Black Americans are often called the backbone of the Democratic Party — 92 per cent of those who voted in 2020 backed Joe Biden, according to Pew Research Center — but polls are finding that some are drifting away, especially black men. A polling average since the start of April puts black support for Biden on 69 per cent and Trump on 18 per cent. In close states like Michigan this could be decisive — in Trump’s favour."
                     https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/blac … -3q5p3lm5t

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         abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

         Are you responding to Easley and Guider, those who have been quoted here, shared by Sharlee?
         Because they don't seem to "know" what you "know".

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            Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Who are Easley and Guider?

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               Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

               These two women Easley and Guider are the subject of the thread.
               https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/360 … ost4329655

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   Willowarborposted 10 months ago

   This is an appeal to Black voters?!
   
   I believe it was last week that he appeared at two Trump campaign events organized to “garner the Black male vote,” according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. During the “Congress, Cognac and Cigars” gathering, Donalds seemed to explain how Black people benefitted from institutional racism.
   
   "During Jim Crow, the Black family was together,” Donalds explained to the crowd at the white-owned business in one of the “whitest and most conservative” parts of the city where Donalds and his GOP colleagues unsuccessfully asked elections officials to toss out Black voters’ ballots. ". The irony!
   
   He stated:
   "During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative — Black people have always been conservative-minded — but more Black people voted conservatively. And then H.E.W., Lyndon Johnson — you go down that road, and now we are where we are.”
   
   The good old days??  Why idealize the black family under Jim Crow?

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      wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      Because the black family was stronger then?
      
      Because there was less black on black crime, or less black crime altogether?
      
      Because there were no black families living on welfare?
      
      Because black people worked in and through the racism rather than crying victimhood?
      
      No statements, just questions.

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         Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

         Only you would go paleo-conservative getting your succulent red  meat from the handful of UncleT@ms that are still at large.
         
         Jim Crow was no picnic, you wouldn't  choose this choice if you were in their shoes.
         
         So, according to you, blacks needed to be oppressed to keep,their families together and not have crime amongst themselves? And as a result, they were better off.
         
         Let's look at some of the other things that "wasn't" ideal about the Jim Crow era.
         
         Blacks could not get legal mortgage contracts, and even in the North they were in a perpetual state of never having ownership of their homes, until Fair Housing Laws in the late sixties.
         
         Blacks could not access themselves to higher education while paying taxes for every white student to have that opportunity. What about that one, Mr. wilderness?
         
         Blacks could be murdered by whites with impunity in the South, at anytime and no one would ever be held accountable, you were never really safe from the mere whim and caprice of whites during Jim Crow in the South. But, of course, you know all of this already, Right?
         
         Not having the Right to vote allowing others to control your destiny, politically. Threatened with violence if they attempted to access the ballot.
         
         What do you know about black people and how they survived while you  live in the Mecca of diversity called Idaho?
         
         So we are to suffer quietly under Jim Crow, while the whites run off with the store, yes we were victims and we know who made us so, don't we?
         
         I simply could not believe that anyone can still utter the things that you do and get away with it. Sorry, but your commentary here is amongst the dumbest things that I have heard in a long time.

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            wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            And only you can find absolutely no good in any period of black history.
            
            You might try answering the questions rather than spouting hate.  Was the black nuclear family stronger during the Jim Crow era than it is now?  What was the percentage of broken marriages then vs now?  What was the percentage of black families living on welfare then vs now (or is it a good thing to live by begging and charity?)? 
            
            Problem, Credence, is that you are so ensconced in the victimhood of Blacks that you are unable to find anything good any time in history.  You have blinded your own eyes to the point you can only see victims, not people; people living the best they can, with both good and bad in their lives.

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               Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

               Well, Wilderness, you manage to meet every standard....
               
               Yes, just like our governor DeSantis said about slavery " people learned vital skills that was to their benefit". Does that really compensate for being a slave?
               
               There is NOTHING good about being denied basic political and economic rights.
               
               Well, living the best they can is not good enough. Blacks have been victims, Wilderness, what planet do you come from?
               
               
               I answer your question with an emphatic NO. As for nuclear families, so what? The strength of most nuclear families has declined in these times.
               
               You wouldn't be willing to live under the circumstances that the people of this period had to live under. How is it so easy for you to accept these conditions for others?
               
               Slaves had moments of good times on the plantation, does that absolve the sin of slavery from American History? You need to seriously check yourself, your argument and logic are flawed. I saw victims because that is what they were. People with attitudes like yours makes it hard to find reasons for forgiveness and repentance in these matters. Because of that our agitation and struggles will have to continue as a result.
               
               I don't find much good because there wasn't much good and if you actually cracked open a book or two rather than relying on your prejudiced based  intuition, you would discover a great deal.
               
               It is not about hate but about lies and denial of what occurred and why, by "certain people" and I don't forget.

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                  wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  "There is NOTHING good about being denied basic political and economic rights."
                  
                  Not that I can think of, no.  But that was not the question or discussion, not even a small bit.
                  
                  What was under discussion was whether there was anything in the black lives that was good during the time basic rights were denied.  And the answer will always be "yes", for no period is 100% wrong.  There is always good to be found if one looks for it.  Not much, but greater than zero.

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                     Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

                     Just over zero is nothing. This entire line of reasoning amounts to a specious and absurd argument. The "good" you speak of is the position of an Uncle T@ms argument, put out there to placate narrow minded, hard right conservatives types and which wont past muster with the vast majority of "reasonable" people

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                        wildernessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                        OK.  A positive number is equal to zero.  Got it.
                        
                        And with that, and the almost inevitable "Uncle Tom" reference, I bow out of this non-discussion.

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                           Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

                           Wilderness
                           
                           Perhaps it is best that you do bow out, as association with the ridiculously frivolous position that you take only reflects poorly upon you.
                           
                           And I will always remember from whence it came......

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   Willowarborposted 10 months ago

   Interesting, is this what black churches look like these days?
   Trump's visit to a "black"  Church in Detroit recently.  Wonder why the congregation didn't show up?  Oddly he talked about rampant crime to the mostly white audience but...
   
   "Detroit ends 2023 with fewest homicides in 57 years, double-digit drops in shootings and carjackings thanks to DPD, federal, county, state, and community partnerships" oops!
   
   
   
   https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-ends … thanks-dpd

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      Readmikenowposted 10 months agoin reply to this

      President Donald Trump has gone where democrats have refused to go and spoken with people they have ignored.
      
      "Pastor goes viral after thanking Trump for coming to the 'hood'"
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp8_v1jCvI

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         Credence2posted 10 months agoin reply to this

         President Donald Trump has gone where democrats have refused to go and spoken with people they have ignored.
         
         Sure he has, Mike, sure he has........
         
         A picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth a thousand pictures. What does this picture tell you? Trump is just a pandering phony... quite transparent.
         
         The Pastor gets a lot of flak from me as well.

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         Willowarborposted 10 months agoin reply to this

         
         
         Just a sea of white  faces in a city that is almost 78% black, a historically black church.  Reaching the "ignored'?
         
         "No one was planning to attend so the Michigan Conservative Coalition got the word out online. They needed people at the Trump Black Church event in Detroit. It would have been easier to count the black people in attendance. It's all fake."
         
         
         
         
         https://x.com/MiMagaWatch/status/1802317931176464458

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   Readmikenowposted 10 months ago

   CNN data guru 'speechless' over polls showing Biden's numbers with Black voters collapsing since 2020
   
   Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich warned President Biden "has collapsed" with Black voters after a CNN data reporter admitted he was "speechless" from polling that indicates Trump could secure "historic" support. The former Republican House speaker joined "Hannity," Monday, to discuss why he believes the Democrats will have a tough time offsetting this new "reality" ahead of November.
   CNN data reporter Harry Enten was stunned Monday after polling found that former President Trump is expected to garner significant support from Black voters.
   
   An aggregate of network polls found dwindling interest in President Biden among Black voters, down to 70% in 2024 from 86% in 2020. Trump, meanwhile, has cut into Biden’s coalition, tripling his support from Black voters over the last four years, from 7% in 2020 to 21% in 2024.
   
   "I keep looking for signs that this is going to go back to normal and I don’t see it yet in the polling," Enten said. "If anything, right now we’re careening towards historic performance for a Republican presidential candidate, the likes of which we have not seen in six decades."
   
   https://www.foxnews.com/media/newt-ging … ut-victory
   
   Here is it on video
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fbtFax7A30

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