Election fraud scheme on L.A.'s skid row and more.

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   Why do Democrats struggle with the concept of honestly winning an election?  Why has cheating become part of their election process?
   
   Florida Department of State requests investigation into altered voter forms
   
   https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/florida … d=59206150
   
   
   Election fraud scheme on L.A.'s skid row got homeless to sign fake names for cigarettes and cash, D.A. says
   
   https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la- … a-zNLj3oUA

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      promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Where on either article does it say that "Democrats" were committing fraud?

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         Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Apparently Mike 'trumped' it, Scott.

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            promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Yep!

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      Don Wposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure this is a smoking gun for Democrats? Publicly available information indicates otherwise (strap in though it's a twisty-turny ride):
      
      "[Los Angeles Police Department officer Deon Joseph] says it's pretty common for people hired by lobbyists to set up tables outside the missions and illegally pay people for fake signatures used for various ballot measures from all across California"(my emphasis)(1)
      
      Reportedly the signatures were being collected for a ballot measure . . .
      
      ". . . in support of a proposed referendum to overturn a 2018 law that replaced California’s old money bail system with a new system granting pretrial release based on a public safety and flight risk assessment" (my emphasis)(2)
      
      The person who proposed the referendum is listed on the California Secretary of State website as Thomas W. Hiltachk(3).
      
      Thomas W. Hiltachk is a lobbyist and a partner in the legal firm Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk(4).
      
      Bell refers to partner of the firm Charles H. Bell, Jr. He is the General Counsel for the Republican National Lawyers Association(5). And until 2017 was General Counsel for the California Republican Party(6). All the partners of the firm have direct links to the Republican Party(7)
      
      The firm Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk (BM&H) has been reported to set up front companies which then become "clients" and "sponsor" ballot measures that further the interests of the California Republican Party, or other special interests, or both(8). E.g. the Californians for Fair Business Policy which was created with the help of BM&H by the Tobacco Institute to fight California smoking laws(9).
      
      The petition for the pro-cash-bail referendum was sponsored by a real organization: The American Bail Coalition, which describes itself as:
      
      " . . . a trade association made up of national bail insurance companies who are responsible for underwriting criminal bail bonds throughout the United States of America"(10).
      
      The American Bail Coalition has been part of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) since 1993 and says it's policy goals "meshed neatly with those of ALEC"(11).
      
      The CEO of the American Bail Coalition is William Carmichael(12). Bill Carmichael is also on ALEC's Private Enterprise Board(13).
      
      ALEC describes itself as a "membership association of state legislators" and boasts about helping ALEC alumni get voted to Congress.
      
      96% of the elected members of Congress listed as ALEC alumni are Republicans(14).
      
      To recap:
      
      1. Lobbyists were collecting fake signatures for a petition for a proposed referendum
      2. The petition was registered by law firm Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk
      3. All of the partners of Bell, McAndrews & Hiltachk have links to the Republican party
      4. The referendum was sponsored by the American Bail Coalition
      5. The American Bail Coalition is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council
      6. The CEO of the American Bail Coalition is on the executive board of ALEC
      7. 96% of the people ALEC has helped elect, are Republicans.
      
      (1) https://abc7.com/4330424/
      (2) ibid
      (3) https://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/n … rculation/
      (4) https://www.bmhlaw.com/attorneys/
      (5) https://www.rnla.org/charleshbell
      (6) https://www.bmhlaw.com/attorneys/
      (7) ibid
      (8) https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ne … ccounter=1
      (9) https://www.industrydocumentslibrary.uc … d=skvx0132
      (10) http://ambailcoalition.org/about/
      (11) http://www.asc-usi.com/userfiles/BailRe … r%20V1.pdf
      (12) http://www.americanbailcoalition.org/team/
      (13) https://www.alec.org/group/private-ente … council-2/
      (14) https://www.alec.org/about/alumni/

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   Thanks for your response to the two of you.
   
   
   

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      And what's yours, Mike?  Are you simply reduced to meaningless memes these days? I don't really blame you though, your boy isn't looking too good lately....

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      promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I simply asked a question to clarify your OP.

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      crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Lol. Most of the memes I see on this site are put up by democrats. Does the same work both ways?

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            crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Of course! I like a good meme from either side if it's funny and has some truth to it.
            
            And wouldn't it be nice to talk about the voter fraud issue honestly? Nixon lost the 1960 election most likely because of Democratic voter fraud in Chicago, so Democrats do have a history of "fixing" elections. That's hard to get away from and it's a justifiable worry among conservatives about urban areas.
            
            And Republican strategy, a first in American history, is to keep groups of people unlikely to vote for them, from voting, but imposing as many onerous laws as they can possibly pass. It used to be that we, as Americans, wanted as many people to participate in the voting process (legally, of course) as possible. Not any more. As the country gets less white, conservatives are trying to keep non-whites from voting.
            
            Am I being balanced and fair?

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            promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I don't count memes by either side, so I don't dispute your claim. I hope we agree that certain people on both sides put most of them up.
            
            But please note who posted the first and second memes on this thread.

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      Aime Fposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      It’s not an unfair question.  I’ve read multiple articles on this now and nowhere does it specify which political party these people were affiliated with.
      
      Isn’t Los Angeles notoriously left-wing already? Doesn’t it seem plausible that it could have been Republicans trying to grab votes?
      
      But please do direct us towards something that shares more information about these people if you’ve got it.

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         LOL  Or it is "notoriously left-wing" because of voter fraud...by those same left wingers.

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            Aime Fposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            *shrug* Could go either way, I suppose. I’m not sure why you’re lol’ing, I didn’t think Republicans doing something wrong was that outrageous a suggestion.

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               Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               So, show me a election that went in favor of the Republicans because massive amounts of ballots mysteriously appear.  Waiting.

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                  Aime Fposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  I don’t think that’s really necessary when I simply suggested that you don’t seem to know for certain who these people were affiliated with and that there may be the slightest possibility that they weren’t Democrats.
                  
                  Again, if you have anything beyond assumptions I’ll gladly condemn my own kind for their poor behaviour. Until then, maybe don’t be such an ass to people who are just asking for more details.

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                     promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     +1

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                     Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Factual details are normally absent from Mike's posts as he's much like his hero Donnie.

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            promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            If "left wing" voter fraud is so rampant, why did Trump's own commission made up of his appointees fail to find any?

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   I gauge the abilities of those responding to participate in an intelligent and insightful discussion and I post accordingly.
   
   
   

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Not really, you started a thread and when Scott and I responded you resorted to a meaningless meme and have continued to do so. If you're looking for intellectual equals, you should say so and let ED, Jack Lee, and Onus know about it.

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      crankaliciousposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      

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         promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 4 years ago

   
   
   lol, If it's this easy why aren't republicans smart enough to do it ??

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      Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Jake,  that good, this is better.
      
      
      
      

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   Readmikenowposted 4 years ago

   

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   Ed Fisherposted 4 years ago

   Well let's consider the "shellacking " libers bought into in this midterm , You outspend conservatives ten to one trying to buy elections , you pulled off how many Florida or Georgia contests that were in question  ? You beat Scott .........Nope , Gillam won ...........Nope ...........oh,  Abrams in Georgia won .........nope ............. What,   the lowest recorded house gains in how many years ?

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      promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the Fox facts.
      
      The average House gains in an election year by the party other than the President's is 29.
      
      The Democrats picked up 39 this time. Another 5 are still undecided.
      
      https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_H … ions,_2018

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         Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Those pesky facts......

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         What is the average number of Republican house members leaving during an election year with a Republican president?  What was the number this time?

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            promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I don't know. Why don't you look it up?
            
            Out of curiosity, I checked five districts in five different sttaes that had Republican retirees. All five were replaced by other Republicans.
            
            You can look up the rest.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Just thought it might be of interest to anyone thinking a "blue wave" went through the country.  I recall seeing something that there was a very unusual number of Republican representatives leaving office, but wasn't interested enough to follow it up.

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