Why Do Democrats Value Illegal Immigrants over American Citizens?

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Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

It is obvious Democrats value illegal immigrants over American citizens and legal immigrants. Why? Why are illegal immigrants so important to the Democrat party they are willing to ignore American citizens and the crime from illegal immigration?

Law-abiding citizens have become victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants who were due for deportation, but were never deported because they resided in sanctuary cities.
The number of sanctuary cities continues to grow, as more than 400 counties enacted or stiffened their sanctuary policies in the last year.
In one week, more than 200 jurisdictions refused to honor ICE detainer requests brought against individuals charged or convicted of a serious crime.
A Harvard-Harris Poll found 80 percent of voters believe local authorities should comply with the law by reporting to federal agents illegal immigrants they come into contact with.
Despite public opinion, Democrats have advocated for sanctuary cities, claiming they make communities safer and help state and local law enforcement.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said that "people don't understand" that sanctuary cities "help law enforcement" and "help public safety."
Senator Chuck Schumer called out Republicans for putting forth legislation that deals with sanctuary cities, calling it "a dark, divisive place."
In 2015, 42 Senate Democrats voted against the Stop Sanctuary Policies and Protect Americans Act that would have held sanctuary jurisdictions accountable for defying federal law, increased penalties for illegal immigrants who reenter the U.S. after deportation, and provided protection for state and local law enforcement who cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Democrat Senators Casey, Stabenow, Baldwin, McCaskill, Brown, Nelson, and Tester voted against the Stop Sanctuary Policies and Protect Americans Act.
In 2016, 41 Senate Democrats voted against the Stop Dangerous Sanctuary Cities Act, which would have stripped federal grant money from sanctuary cities that protect undocumented immigrants from being turned over to federal agents for deportation.
In 2016, 40 Senate Democrats voted against Kate's Law, which would have increased prison sentences for undocumented immigrants who repeatedly enter the United States illegally.
In 2017, 188 House Democrats voted against the No Sanctuary for Criminals Act, which would restrict the ability of states and localities to receive federal grants if they refused to comply or interfered in the enforcement of federal immigration laws.
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  
  Just one more discussion based on a Factually Incorrect Topic: No mike, you're wrong, in reality, Americans come first for Democrats and unlike Bozo Trump and republicans who could care less about you or your family and constantly try to sabotage your HealthCare, Dems are fighting to provide HealthCare to ALL Americans:
  
  You know who VALUES foreign labor over American Labor? Yup, you guessed it Bozo Trump does: At least that's what reporters are uncovering as we speak:
  
  lol, yeah, "Build That Wall", but just let a bunch of undocumented immigrants walk through that big shiny door so they can work at his golf course: UNREAL how gullible some still are:
  
  "New York Times: Trump's Bedminster club hired undocumented immigrants, two workers claim"
  
  https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics … index.html
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Why did the Democrat politicians in California ignore the death of the law enforcement officer by an illegal alien in California?
  
  https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbauma … n-n2538243
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  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but that's just another falsehood mike, nobody in California ignores the death of anyone but WHY does Bozo Trump and republicans IGNORE Mass Shootings that have drastically INCREASED under this corrupt administration which is a REAL Emergency Crisis in the USA: NONE of which were committed by undocumented Immigrants and ALL committed by American Citizens:
  
  "There were more than 330 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2018"
  
  https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/year- … -624208403
  
  And what was the very first bill Bozo Trump and republicans passed? A bill which now allows MENTALLY ILL individuals to purchase guns and that's no joke and there is no punchline, it really happened believe it or not:
  
  "Last February, Trump signed a bill making it easier for people with mental illness to buy guns"
  
  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … al-illness
  
  So you wanna' try again mike and be honest this time? WHO doesn't care about Americans?
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Live to Learnposted 5 years ago
I think it's due to lack of ability to think through to the logical conclusion of their stands.

Sure, we all care about the poor. But, as you noted, there is plenty of poverty in America, without the influx of undocumented workers draining our resources set aside to help fight poverty. It drains our resources to help provide medical assistance to those legally and those born here.

And, harboring and hiding criminals is completely unfair. I don't understand why they give a free ride to an undocumented person and throw the book at someone here legally.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You make a very valid point.
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000,Live to Learn.
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PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago
Wow, Mike. You are spot-on about us Democrats. Nothing we ever support, from health care to infrastructure spending to higher wages, is about helping Americans. All we care about is helping illegal brown people come across the border and terrorize fearful righties.

How did you ever figure us out? I thought we were being really sneaky about it.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Hits a nerve, huh? Must be true. Democrats history and actions on this subject can't be defended. Just answer the question.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, you're something else.
  
  I did answer it with the seriousness it deserves.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Why do Democrats believe they can choose what laws they obey with Sanctuary cities...states? Illegal immigrants are able to get refunds from the IRS...started by the Obama Administration...even if they don't work. did you know this. How many Americans have to die at the hands of illegal aliens before Democrats have had enough? How much illegal drugs can come across the boarder to harm Americans before it's too much Or...is making these things possible something Democrats think is okay?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, Mike, let's see how much you really know about sanctuary cities. What laws, specifically, are being violated in these cities?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Is it legal to shelter criminals, hiding them from law enforcement? Or to warn criminals when the cops are coming?
  
  Seems like I've seen where both are illegal.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Did you know it is not a criminal offense to be an undocumented immigrant? It is a civil violation. Therefore, local police cannot detain a person for being undocumented without violating the Constitution.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  PP You are wrong. If you want to play the legal research game...I'm a match.
  
  8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275
  
  For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both.
  
  (1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.
  (2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.
  (3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.
  (4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States before their prison sentence was up shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.
  What’s more, someone deported before a prison sentence was complete may be incarcerated for the remainder of the sentence of imprisonment, without any reduction for parole or supervised release.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  "People who break the law in the U.S. have committed either a criminal or civil violation depending on how the law defines it and how prosecutors choose to proceed.
  
  Being in the U.S. without documentation is considered a civil matter, said Nancy Morawetz, professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law.
  
  "Being present in the U.S., that status, is not a crime," Morawetz said.
  
  That doesn’t mean undocumented immigrants can live in the U.S. without consequence, said Rick Su, a professor at the University at Buffalo School of Law. Federal authorities can deport them.
  
  A criminal violation comes with a punishment, like time in prison. Civil cases come with penalties instead. Deportation is considered a penalty under federal law, not a punishment.
  
  "Congress can decide what they want to make a crime and what they want to make a civil violation," Su said. "What they’ve decided is that immigration violations by themselves are civil violations."
  
  The Supreme Court confirmed that decision in Arizona v. United States. "
  
  https://www.politifact.com/new-york/sta … not-crime/
  
  Edited to add: Yes, entering the country illegally is a crime. Simply being undocumented is not. Not every undocumented immigrant entered the country illegally and detaining them without due process is a violation of the constitution.
  
  Cities whose police are directed to detain an undocumented person for being undocumented are the ones violating the law.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  This proves my point. "Yes, entering the country illegally is a crime."
  
  Now, back to the topic. Why do Democrats work so hard to protect people who are here illegally? Why do Democrats value them over Americans and legal immigrants?
  
  Sanctuary cities, letting people who have committed crimes and are here illegally back into the community rather than giving them to ICE. Giving illegal immigrants drivers license, IRS returns without working, health benefits and more. They shouldn't be here. They've broken the law.
  They shouldn't get these benefits. Why do Democrats value them so much? Why do they work so hard to protect illegal criminals?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I'm trying to tell you that sanctuary cities are following the law, but I can see you are determined to inaccurately frame the conversation to say Democrats want to protect criminals more than American citizens, which is absurd and wrong.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  No, they are not obeying the law. Here is the federal statute covering the issue.
  
  U.S.C. § 1373, says that cities and counties cannot prohibit communication with the federal government regarding a person’s citizenship or immigration status.
  
  By choosing to release illegal alien criminals back into a community rather than turn them over to ICE is SOLID proof Democrats are protecting criminals and making it possible for them to commit more crimes against US citizens. How many more Americans have to be murdered or the victims of a criminal act by illegal aliens before Democrats are willing to turn them over to ICE for deportation?
  
  Read about Lennox Lake, Ronald De Silva, Tessa Trachant, Sarah Root, Shayley Estes, Drew Rosenberg, Grant Ronnebeck who would be alive today if not murdered by illegal aliens.
  
  So, when does it stop? When does the Democrat start to value the lives of Americans and legal immigrants over illegal immigrants?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You know, I could list the names of people killed by gun violence just in the last few months and ask why the NRA and its supporters value their guns more than the lives of their fellow Americans, including children, but I won't do that because it is absurd and wrong. And very, very dishonest.
  
  That is what you are doing here so there really is no point having a discussion.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you would be wrong. It's not a good analogy. Gun laws have proven about as effective as laws against heroin and other illegal drugs.
  
  Are you saying these people would still be dead even if illegal aliens weren't in the country illegally?
  
  When do Democrats start working hard to keep illegal criminals out of the country? When do they obey the law and turn illegal criminals over to ICE for deportation? When do they do something other than work to make it easier for illegal immigrants to be here and break our laws?
  
  When do they start to worry about protecting American citizens and legal immigrants? Why, are citizens and legal immigrants so unimportant to the Democrat party?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Hopeless. Democrats want smart border security, not a stupid wall.
  
  Done with discussion.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Democrats want as open a border as they can wangle, while still convincing an ignorant populace that they don't. If they truly DID want border security we wouldn't have millions of illegals within the border - it would have been taken care of decades ago.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Right. It's a one-party problem. Fer sure.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't say that, now did I? Only that Democrats have had the power, but not the will, to control the borders for a long time. So have the Republicans. And neither party has done it; neither has taken anything but ineffective steps while pushing excuses.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Why was it not fixed during the times when you guys on the right were in power....like a few months ago? Aren't you bitching at the wrong party?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  For the same reason it wasn't fixed 20 years ago. Our politicians don't want it to happen.
  
  And no, I'm not bitching at the wrong party. Both, likely along with independents, tea party and whoever else is in there have failed the country miserably. What else is new?
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  In your post you named Democrats as the culprit and mentioned nothing at all about the Republicans as being the problem. I suppose you forgot...
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Democrats could provide funding for a wall just like their leaders wanted in the past. So, authorize the wall, which is less than a percent of the budget, open the government and all is well.
  
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  A wall would harm illegal aliens trying to circumvent our immigration laws and Democrats can't have such a thing.
  
  If only Democrats cared as much about American citizens as they do illegal aliens...we'd have a border wall.
  
  I suggest for once Democrats try to think of what is best for Americans and not illegal aliens.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Why didn't the Republicans do it, Mike? They had total control of both houses and the POTUS so explain that instead blaming the shutdown on the Dems. Did your idol own it, or not? Or do you remember his original statement about the shutdown. He's changed his story so many times I can see how you could be confused...
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Can't answer questions, but you can put up idiotic memes, Mike. You're just about out of excuses for the cretin, eh?
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Randy,
  
  Step 1, Show you understand the conversation.
  Step 2. Prove this by asking questions that prove you understand the subject.
  Step 3. Memes I post aren't idiotic. The truth they illustrate just makes you uncomfortable. It's easy to mock that which you do not understand.
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  What has a meme about Cortez have to do with the topic of this thread, Mike? Perhaps you don't understand the conversation?
  
  Again, what does a meme about Cortez have to do with the subject?
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Which has exactly zero to do with anything I said or you asked for.
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I know, because you like to leap to the most extreme cases rather than discuss the legitimate, rational reasons behind policies you don't agree with.
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  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  I see. It's not "rational" or "legitimate" to talk of city mayors that publicly spread the warning that law enforcement is coming and that those in violation of the law should go hide.
  
  We differ on the definition of those terms.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  This is the federal law. U.S.C. § 1373, says that cities and counties cannot prohibit communication with the federal government regarding a person’s citizenship or immigration status.
  
  Still, why do Democrats encourage illegal immigration and ignore their criminal activity? How many Americans have to die before Democrats value Americans and legal immigrants over those who are here against the law?
  
  Again, why do Democrats value Illegal aliens over American citizens and legal immigrants? Why are Democrats so quick to look the other way or rationalize the criminal activity of illegal aliens?
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  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  How are these cities prohibiting communication?
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Before I answer this...do I really need to explain it to you? Does your level on knowledge on the topic fail to provide you with this information?
  
  Cities and states are failing to turn over illegal immigrants to ICE when specifically told they are holding illegal immigrants. In more than one case, these illegal immigrants have gone on to commit crimes. So, a good first step may be to turn illegal alien criminals over to ICE.
  
  In Philadelphia...they released an illegal immigrant who was a child rapist. I guess that was a proud moment for those Democrats who didn't turn him over to ICE.
  
  http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/08/ill … d-a-child/
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  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Ignoring obvious facts is necessary for a Democrat to argue against ice being allowed to come in when an illegal is arrested in a sanctuary city.
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  You are right.
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  gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000, Readmikenow!
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  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  That damn Fox News foiled out plan, PP! Yes we detest all Americans and wish they'd go away! Wait a minute....I'm an American!
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Kenna McHughposted 5 years ago
You should see some of the laws Governor Jerry Brown signed into law 2019. Crazy, here is one: "Free legal services for illegal immigrants."
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Kenna McHughposted 5 years ago
Who are their voters? Did you get my last comment?
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psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago
The government shutdown is stopping food stamps -- so who is it that cares so much about poor kids?
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  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  If Democrats cares so much, they'd give money for a wall so the poor kids could get their food stamps.
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Readmikenowposted 5 years ago
Funding the border wall is not an issue.

Here are some of the things Democrats are more than willing to fund.

THINGS DEMOCRATS HAVE FUNDED THAT COST MORE THAN THE BORDER WALL

“The United Nations. As the United Nation’s largest contributor, the U.S. in 2016 donated $10 billion to the U.N. As CAGW notes, reducing these contributions just 25 percent would create a savings of $12.5 billion over 10 years. Of the money Congress appropriates for the United Nations, $5 million taxpayer dollars are itemized for abortions in foreign countries.

Amtrak. Congress could sell Amtrak to the private sector where it would almost certainly be operated more efficiently, but instead it’s showered in billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies. Over the next five years, these subsidies will cost $9.7 billion.

Unused Real Estate. Congress appropriates money to maintain federal real estate that’s not actually being used. Per CAGW, an October 31, 2017, CRS report found that, “In FY2016, federal agencies owned 3,120 buildings that were vacant (unutilized), and another 7,859 that were partially empty (underutilized).” Current laws require the government to undergo a series of steps before considering a sale of these buildings. Were selling this unused property prioritized, the 5-year savings are estimated at $15 billion. Simply maintaining the unused buildings annually costs $1.7 billion.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-things-d … order-wall
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Readmikenowposted 5 years ago
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