He is due to appear before the inquiry on Friday, and I suspect he will be finalising his script tomorrow night. No doubt his performance will merit an oscar if nothing else...lol
Umm... British Prime Minister from 1997 to 2007.
Are you serious?
Umm.. I'm American. Don't follow American politics, why would I follow GB?
Even so, surely you must have seen Our Tone's cheesily grinning visage all over the press/TV when he was toadying up to George Bush before and during the Iraq war. Or maybe that was just us poor sods in Britain.
Again, don't follow politics. That means I don't watch anything remotely related to politics on TV. That would have been a political matter.
Some of us Americans actually DON'T watch TV, contrary to popular belief. I'm one of them. The ONLY reason I happen to know who Tony Blair is is that I went to London while he was in office.
However, even if I didn't know who he was...my answer to the original question would be: If he's a politician, then he's probably not losing any sleep over anything he's doing or contributing to.
You should not be allowed to vote in national elections.
Why Ralph, does someone have to watch the idiot box to stay informed? Ever hear of the internet,Newspapers,radio?
Of course it's not necessary to watch Television. Perhaps even better not to watch and be misinformed. Reading the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Christian Science Monitor, the Financial Times, The Nation, Mother Jones, Harper's, etc. The reason I suggested he not be allowed to vote was that he said he hadn't heard of Tony Blair. If he had used alternative sources other than TV he should have heard of Tony Blair. Moreover, my suggestion was tongue in cheek, not serious. We need to cultivate a bit more senses of humor among us. I see now that I didn't read his post carefully and that he had heard of Tony Blair but only as a result of a visit to England during his Blair's administration.
Just to argue, is it important that an American know who a prime minister of another country is? How will that benefit the average American? And I assumed you meant it in a tongue in cheek manner, thats why I asked if you had ever heard of the internet, you know this thing we are using to converse?
Quite democratic of you Ralph! And how tolerant!
Another post was asking "What is wrong with America".
People not knowing and not wanting to learn is part of what is wrong. Being proud of your ignorance is just as wrong.
Ignorance of another countries politics is not that big a deal, somebody earlier said that its not good to not know who your biggest ally in the war on terror is. I'm not sure that it matters who our allies are, the US pays the lions share of the bills and our military does most of the fighting.
Fortunately, it's not any of your business whether or not I'm allowed to vote, and whether or not I do. Besides which, simply because I don't keep up with the boob tube doesn't mean I don't keep up with the news.
It so happens that I used to be quite an avid politics-watcher and became SO disgusted with the entire world that I decided that it would be better for my mental and physical health NOT to bother with watching the soap opera anymore.
BTW: I'm female...although, I can understand why that might not be obvious. That is, perhaps, one reason your suggestion that I should not be allowed to vote poked at me.
It should have been obvious that you are female. Female spiders eat the males as I recall. :-) I hope you agree that it's desirable for voters to inform themselves on the issues before voting. As I said above I was kidding when I said you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Really? I'd love to know why? (Pure curiosity...other hubbers have been convinced that I am male).
Hehehehe...well not ALL of them, but it is the rule rather than the exception. Perhaps the spiders think that males are only good for one thing...Or else they have really high standards for that one thing, and get super-angry when it's not good enough.
Well, in a less corrupt world, of course voters should be very well-informed and armed with facts and issues, but I'm sorry to say that I've been quite disappointed in the quality (read honesty) of the available information (I've grown to distrust most forms of media). It seems to me that there is a noticeable lack of consistency between what one says in order to get elected and what one does once they get there. I've lost quite a lot of trust with the government (I suspect they've sold us all to bankers) and am not sure what, if any, power the American individual has anymore. And that's without even thinking about American foreign policy. But all that's just my personal cynicism talking.
Well that's okay, then. I missed the humor...Perhaps we DO need some kind of punctuation mark that indicates sarcasm/humor in writing.
I think the more reasonable question is "who cares who England's prime minster was from 1997 to 2007?"
Rephrasing what I said with what he said.
They are Americans. Most of them have never left the state, let alone taken an interest in international politics. They get most of their education from the TV.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Most of us never left the state? Typical stereotype over Americans.. Shame on you. You have prejudice issues.
Didn't you previously say you were unaware of your main partner in the war on terror because you missed it on TV.
Stereotypes? You are living the dream!
Unaware of my main partner in the war on terror?
Seriously, the big words don't make you look smarter.
And you think we're all stupid? I have an M.D., do you?
If seven letter words are too much for you that M.D. must have been tough.
Maybe if they feature world leaders on Entertainment tonight (sorry - 13 letters!) you won't miss small matters like a war and who decided it was a good thing.
I do not think all Americans are stupid. Like everyone else you have your fair share. I am merely impressed that you do not know the identity of the leader of your primary partner in both Afghanistan and Iraq given the UK is just about the only country that is still hanging around. To manage this given the hours of coverage it received is an achievement and I take my hat off to your good doctor.
Duty calls. Good Evening
An M.D. isn't an exemption from stupidity.
Dude - I lived in the states for ten years and am married to an American.
Most of you have never left the state. No prejudice involved. Merely making an observation.
This is prejudice. You are linking us all in one group, judging from what YOU saw on YOUR 10 years here; you are creating stereotypes. Stereotypes equals prejudice.
I'm from California and now I live in New York. That means I've left the state! HAH!
Nope - the man has no qualms about lying. Plus he has found god.
You really think he gives a shit for anything other than the EU Presidency?
I have a sneaking suspicion the outcome of the inquiry is pretty much taken care of anyway.
Political crap for us to swallow. Again.
Wow! Certainly didn't expect this response! Didn't mean to cause a rift between US and UK... but have to say have been finding it very very entertaining so please, do continue!
I used to travel in Europe and Latin America on business. My two favorite countries to visit were UK (London) and Brazil (Sao Paulo and Rio). The Brits were unfailingly courteous and went out of their way to be helpful. And of course the Brazilians are the friendliest people in the world. However, that doesn't mean that I don't blame Tony Blair for helping Bush-Cheney convince us to foolishly attack Iraq and put Afghanistan on the back burner. Blair allowed himself to become a little Bush-Cheney pulltoy.
I love Americans.
The only country I know of where people are so proud of their ignorance.
If it doesn't happen in my backyard. It doesn't count.
Tony Blair will no doubt give an Oscar winning performance of innocence mixed with hurt that nobody understands his greatness and desire to help the world! He has turned the old English notion of the divine right of kingship into his own personal divine right to rule the world. This is where supposedly having a hot-line to god gets you - deluded and a joke.
A question for the Americans - would you be shocked if us Brits didn't know the name of the President of the United States? You should learn the name of Tony Blair as he has made around £15 million since leaving office mainly for being a good friend of the US!
It's totally different with the US president.
Why? If the US as a nation is not interested in the politics and current affairs of other countries, why should those countries take any interest in the US? As it happens, in the UK most people probably do know the name of the US president as a lot of people watch the international news and read papers/articles etc on world affairs.
We're more noticable. Our President just got the Nobel Peace Prize. Who doesn't notice that? We are, probably, the most noticed country in the world because we're amazing.
See, it's different.
I've been to the U.K., it's not that great..
Well, British people are rude. Very rude. I was in a store, and I was talking with my girlfriend, and the cashier was like "Americans, EH? You suck!". And people there plain out hate Americans.
Not that you are stereotyping or anything....
Well I hope you showed them by not buying anything.
Americans are hated all over the world. I'm sorry to say. But it's the truth.
Tantrum, I think most Americans think that's true. That's why we don't leave our country.
Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? You think we sit up at night wondering what someone in Argentina thinks? I sure hope you don't think we do!
You know...I've heard that many many times...but I have to say, I've traveled to other countries a few times and really had wonderful experiences. People were very kind and helpful to me, even though they obviously knew I was an American. I've never heard a bad word spoken to my face; indeed, one more than one occasion, I've been welcomed into celebrations by strangers in other countries.
I will never forget sharing bottles of champagne with Spanish soccer players in London. I will never forget sharing an impromptu dinner with workers in Bunratty, Ireland. Dancing in Dublin at Bono's club with people who loved U2 from all over the world...Complete and utter strangers opened themselves up to me in other countries, and I never once heard hateful words or felt as though I was hated.
Indeed, it seems to me that I hear more hate coming from American mouths than anyone else's...But that might be just because I get to hear more Americans than anything else.
You don't hear what they say because no one is going to be so rude as to tell you in your face, but as I'm not American I hear all the things people say of USA. It's not only in the UK.It's in every country I visited.
Sorry, but it's like that.
Nothing new. Everybody knows about it.
That doesn't mean there are not a lot of wonderful people there. I happen to know some.
To be honest, if you displayed the same attitude when you were in Britain that you've displayed in this thread, then I'm not surprised they were rude.
Basically you come off as "I'm too sexy to learn anything about anyone else's culture/politics even at the most basic level, because I'm from the most marvellous country on Earth and nobody else matters. So there."
No, I wasn't even talking in his direction. British people are very bitter towards Americans. I don't know why you people have bugs up your asses about us, but it would be peachy if you could share it with us.
After reading your posts, it's very clear why !
New Yorker, you should have just shot him with your 9mm.
There are certainly people in Britain who hate Americans, but there are also loads of other British people who either (a) don't care one way or the other or (b) adore America and the Americans. So I think you're tarring everyone in Britain with the same (erroneous) brush.
No we arent! We love the Americans! Its Blair we are bitter toward for being an arse licker with no gumption to say no!
Why on earth do you think us Brits are bitter toward you. We have always had good connections with the USA. We backed you on lots of issues and showed compassion towards your crisis. I think you are wrong about our opinions.
love, peace and unity with USA forever!
I am sorry you have had bad experiences with Brits. Most of us are actually quite nice people x
Maybe her remark was addressed to you rather than all Americans? I can see how she might have said that if your posts in this thread are typical.
Part of the reason for its being noticeable is that he won the prize for no discernable reason. (Even he was surprised to win it.)
Substitute "powerful" for "amazing" and you might just have a point. But as other people here have recently pointed out, power has a finite shelf life.
I agree 100% about Obama and the Nobel prize, he should have been surprised, everyone should have been surprised! I remember the day after it was announced and accolades coming from your side of the pond, its strange that just a few short months later Obama ain't that great!
As far as power and a finite shelf life, in 234 years the US has accomplished more than all of Europe combined, you should be proud! If we lose that power tomorrow we will have known what it was like to be the most powerful nation ever and you never will!
You've obviously never heard of the British Empire:
"At its height it was the largest empire in history and, for over a century, was the foremost global power. By 1922, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 458 million people, one-quarter of the world's population, and covered more than 13,000,000 square miles (33,670,000 km2): approximately a quarter of the Earth's total land area."
I don't get the Obama thing either. Our press (a lot of it anyway) is gaga over him but to me he's just another politician.
And you know what it was like to live then? You must be old!
I thought you meant "you" in the general, historical sense not "you" as in "you personally".
It's midnight on my part of the planet and I'm off to bed...
120 years ago a little thing called the British Empire was somewhat more significant than what little was going on in America. The world influence of America really only became of note after the Second World War. Hope you enjoyed your time at the top but unless you are still there in another 50 years, you probably are still playing historical catch-up.
What goes up must come down - as the British have done a great job of proving.
Catch up? 230 years ago you were not that significant to a bunch of farmers and laborers, while maybe our reputation slipped in the eyes of Europe (who cares what Europe thinks) we will continue to be the most powerful! You ought be used to that!
and one of the reasons you're hated for, is this kind of attitude
Yes, and a friend of bankers/arms manufacturers everywhere (that nice little post-politics consultancy job for J P Morgan didn't come about by accident, I'm sure).
I don't know how many Brits know what their government and military were doing in Iraq in the 1920's and 30's.... Saddam hung for, among other things, gassing Kurds and others....But the British were the first to use that tactic....dropping mustard gas from planes in order to quell rebellions...
I don't the perpetrators of those war crimes lost any sleep either..
Nope - I am sure they did not. We invented the concentration camp also.
But did America not instigate a war on the basis of weapons of mass destuction when to date the only country to have nuked someone is........
Do as I say not as I do. Gulf War? Maybe the War of Hipocracy.
Not that the Americans and British were the only ones involved. My mob joined in the party too.
"But did America not instigate a war on the basis of weapons of mass destuction when to date the only country to have nuked someone is........"
I am by no means denying this.....nor Britain's involvement...
Blair (Blur) is a slimeball. He has no principles, just goes along with whatever will give him more prestige and money.
The US is a spoilt child thinking that the world should take notice of it. It is just one territorial entity among others. I've visited. It's OK, nothing special though apart from New Orleans.
I sort of became aware of Obama with time. I thought he was a Turk. Turns out he is an African American. Same difference as far as I'm concerned. You people in the US voted for him, so live with it just as we in the UK have to live with Broon the dour one.
Tony Blair or George Bush are not bad people. You can try to vilify them all you want but none of those guys knew it would end up like this.
I'm releasing an article focused on Dick Cheney soon.... they knew very well what they were doing....they know the "history" of the region...
The lie is that they "didn't" know...
Blur is a sell-out. He joined with Labour because he felt that would give him the greatest advantage. He would have joined the Tories if he thought that would serve him better. He did not espouse the principles that defined Labour. True Labour values were espouseed by people like Tony Benn. You can agree or disagree with Benn, but at the very least he is honest about his beliefs.
Every country has their own sibling rivalary to b** about ,or not
Great Britain was once big brother to the New World ( hmm) and I reckon some attitudes trickle down on both sides of the fence ,but c'mon we all put our pants on the same way ,one foot at a time.
Crazy thing is Im a foreigner living in SC yet hubbys from up north ( A Yank) guess who they ,and Im generalising like the most >>>>
And its probably the same kinda 'gets up ya nose' kinda attitude in the UK as well ?
That doesn't surprise me at all, if you two were in Texas it would be the same, some things never end!
LOL And you won WWII Come on Tex, we often agree, but here I am in total disagreement with you. As people leave in society, countries leave in a sort of society too, and they do need other countries for various reasons, including being allies. Even such powerful countries as the USA.
Ok misha, who exactly does the US need? China? I guess we have needed them to borrow money from, but what if we said Fuck em? What would happen?
Probably Chinese goods will disappear from your stores. And you already forgot how to manufacture them yourself.
Just from the top of my head, I bet we can think of other not-so-rosy things happening, too
I thought thats what everyone wanted, no goods from China. We haven't forgotten how to do anything we just got fat and lazy, don't fool yourself Misha we out do most everyone!
Those goods will cost several times more, even when you manage to start manufacturing them.
For awhile maybe, but somebody will come along and be able to do it faster,better and cheaper. Its what this Country does!
Tex demonstrates widely what is common in the United States...from coast to coast....I've traveled it....
This is a widespread lack of knowledge and insight into what the United States does internationally and a denial of the interconnectedness of nations around the globe...
People in this country, especially of the dominant population, often believe that their national borders are like their property lines..and that what goes on outside of them has no effect on themselves and vise-versa....
All of which is nonsense....
But our school systems don't provide a holistic education, and self-educating is not a trait that is engrained in most....."think for yourself" is not something that is widely regarded....
I work with youth in the foster system here in Los Angeles county.....and I see the effects of this type of overall disconnected and dillusional thinking on our most at-risk youth..the ones who end up in jail the most...in poverty..homeless..and with nowhere to turn...
....it's called disillusionment and disenfranchisement....and both doom societies...
and as we said in the Marines..."a team is only as strong as its weakest link"
Knowledge, or rather the selective acknowledgment of it for partisan/selfish reasons is what weakens our society.....
I am trying to do my part to reverse this ridiculous trend....
How about you?
Couldn't agree more Mike. Well structured, argued and spoken.
More thinking like this would go some way to resolving some of the issues in American society(and most other countries as well.)
Mike Im impressed , you sound educated ( at least internally) and I find it refreshing to hear an American with a non-egalitarian attitude.
A Texan its one thing to be patriotic and everyone remembers back when ....( no matter where they were born) but think for a moment laterally , where would any of us be ,if we thought we didnt need 'someone'.....do you truly believe the USA stands alone? or able too.
I've seen what Texans are capable of....what a history your "glorious" state has....
"move to a more tolerant nation"??
I thought this was supposed to be the place where greater toleration can be made???
Do you not believe this??
If such an feat cannot be accomplished here, which is evidently what you are implying, then where??/
Write carefully Texas...the world is watching..
Texans largely turned traitor against the Mexican government, who let them settle there to begin with and whose laws they swore to abide by....
They turned against Mexico violently when Mexico decided it was right to free slaves....when racist-Anglophile Texans demanded that human chattal was vital to their survival....
They lie about their history....and start illegal wars for their own greed.....(at least the creators of their state and the builders of their legacy did so)
In my opinion, not much has changed.....now the Mexican, Salvadorian, Honduran, and Guatamalan replace the African slave....
Texans have been responsible for race-related violence that few states in this nation can compare to.....
and doesn't George W. still call your state home??
I think I can venture a pretty good guess as to what some Texans are capable of.......
You act as though its relationship with Mexico is purely history......
No....its rather ongoing denial...
It's cognitive dissonance working hard to forget what one wishs he or she didn't know....and it eats away at the core of society...
It is obvious that you do not care about what occurs around you....I read your statements and pick up the tone of arrogant privilege....."its not my problem/issue to think about"....
but yet you spew words as if you did....
I'm glad you continue to show what you really are underneath the avatar...
Joining you in Texas? I am working too hard to save my own city and state....
How about you?
We are operating in the black so Texas doesn't need saving. Look mike I don't care what you think of me, I don't care what Europe thinks of the US and I couldn't begin to tell you how little your opinion of Texas and Texans means to me!
You might want to try another tactic, cuz this one ain't working!
As long as we're bashing Texas, I read somewhere recently that only Turkey and Kazakstan execute more people than Texas. And sometimes they do it right on the spot. I heard that in Texas if you shoot somebody you think might be a burglar as he's running away down the street, the police will drag him back into your house and take a picture of him for you.
Okay, you have the Chavez take on the interaction between Mexico, Spain, and Texas and you call other people arrogant?!
There's a lot of military bases in Texas too......if those disappeared your state's population would largely vanish...
I will say, though, seeing El Paso at night is beautiful....the stars in the deep black sky (something that we never see in L.A.) with the city's city lights...shining like someone took gold dust and spread it on the ground.....I was standing on a ridge overlooking the city from the north when I saw this....I tried to take a picture (before the era of the digital camera for the common user) and it didn't come out..
Texan...I'm sorry if my tone is rough...but I have our mutual best intersts at heart....
It pains me to see people divided and fighting among one another for reasons that truly are inconsequential to our collective lives...
With the energy that we both utilize here in these forums I hope that we can provide a better place for ourselves and those who come after us...
I hope that you can agree with this..
"Okay, you have the Chavez take on the interaction between Mexico, Spain, and Texas and you call other people arrogant?!"
I don't understand what you are saying...
So, are you saying that the military bases in your state, like Fort Hood, and the moneys/jobs that the military brings with it, if cut off, would not dramatically reshape 1) the population size and demographic of your state and 2) not have a dramatic impact on your state's budget?
I think it would...
Just the impact on cities like San Antonio alone would be devastating...
What, the Dod brings in over 13 billion dollars into San Antonio alone annually....what about other cities???
again....these issues are just distractions from the real ones....like why I can get free health care (dental and medical) for the rest of my life while others can't.....
and this is just scratching the surface.....
Take care Texas....I am glad that we were able to have this exchange...and I hope we can build more on this foundation that we have established....
we may not agree.....but I think a common thread can be found...
No flightkeeper, you just didn't write in a complete sentence....
I can't understand something that isn't readable...
If you can explain what "the Chavez" is and "on the interaction" means then we can talk...
otherwise your words are gibberish....
That says alot....
No comment about the 13 billion from the military (just in San Antonio mind you) huh??
You can't explain how that keeps Texans employed...in their homes...and how losing that stream would cause them to leave??
Denial is strong with you...willed-ignorance is a tough virus to kill off...
Maybe you are right....
Comment? Sure, what would we do without the military bases? Hmmm, Energy,Farming,Ranching,oil and gas (guess that falls under energy) You are aware that Texas has the most fortune 500 companies headquartered here, back to the list. Our emerging high tech industry is a pretty cool, our GSP is 1.9 Trillion.
KBR is based in Texas, is it not?
Direct and indirect military money enrich your state...far more than most others....
I think they need to organise a baseball game and winner takes it all
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