Are all those who believe in global warming living a hypocritical life

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  1. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks ago

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    Had a good discussion with a relative.  She drives a large SUV and her husband owns a large pick-up truck.  They fly for their work often.  She and her family use quite a bit of fossil fuel during their daily lives.  They are also strong believers in global warming.  I told them I believe their lifestyle is hypocritical and contrary to their beliefs in the environmental crisis.  I say if you are against the use of fossil fuels, then don't use them.  When confronted they turn into victims saying “It's not our fault the world runs on fossil fuels and this is what we have to do to survive.  We didn't make it this way.”  I still say they're hypocrites.  What I hear them saying is “I don't want to change my lifestyle, I want everyone around me to change their lifestyle and if they don't...I'm morally superior because I believe in global warming and they don't.”  Puh-leeeeze!  I can't take these people serious.

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      I agree they are hypocrites. They just need to wake up to it.

      Fortunately, plenty of other people make more contributions to the environment than them.

    2. RTalloni profile image93
      RTalloniposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Your relatives are a drop in the bucket to how those promoting global warming live (now called climate change because the science didn't match their theories–no one argues that climate changes).

      The movement is about money and power, both being obtained by increasing the divide in a powerful class system fueled by money paid into by people who supply taxes to government and life styles to entertainers. 

      People want to "feel" good about themselves, "feel" noble in their own minds, so they get by with not paying attention...for the time being. They put no thought into the consequences of what it means for them or their children by being blind sheep to those who are working to create a socialistic society. They do not learn from history, but think they are special, that the rules are different for them.

    3. tsadjatko profile image55
      tsadjatkoposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this
      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        tsadjatko, Excellent links.  It appears my cousin and her husband are not the only ones.  I have to laugh when they lecture me about what is being done to the environment.

    4. Glenis Rix profile image98
      Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Unfortunately, it’s currently easier said than done to live without fossil fuels. Solar panels and electric cars help, as does turning down the central heating a notch or two.

      We have all become accustomed to modern day conveniences. When I was a child in the post-WW2 years,  I often woke up to find ice on the inside of the bedroom window and had my morning wash in cold water. We bathed once a week and rode bikes or walked when travelling short distances. Try persuading young people in the western world to adopt that lifestyle - they will be appalled.

      Fundamentally, we are all burying our heads in the sand. We eat animals that have grazed on pastureland and which produce methane gasses that add to global warming, when that land would be more effectively used to grow crops for human consumption.

      Many people fly in jet planes for holidays multiple times every year. Meanwhile,the U.K. government has authorised a further runway for the world’s busiest airport.

      It would be very difficult to persuade people to change the habits of a lifetime. I am afraid that the answer lies in legislation.

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        "I am afraid that the answer lies in legislation" 

        That didn't go over too well in France.  The yellow vest protests tell you all you need to know about using legislation.

        I do all of that and will continue to do it.  There is NO workable change to substitute fossil fuels.  NONE.  Nothing even comes close.  Yes, they can yell and scream about climate change all they want, there is no realistic solution to this theoretical problem.  That is reality.

        1. Glenis Rix profile image98
          Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          With all due respect, Yes there is. Solar power, wind power, hydroelectric power and nuclear power.

          1. PhoenixV profile image64
            PhoenixVposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            5,000 new nuclear plants?

            1. Glenis Rix profile image98
              Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Where did you find that figure?

              1. PhoenixV profile image64
                PhoenixVposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Roughly 500 reactors supply 10% of electricity X an increase of consumption, carry the 9...

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            But we're tearing out dams to save the salmon, whining about bird kill with windmills, refusing to build nuke plants and everything but hydro power is considerably more expensive than fossil, which means we won't use them unless heavily subsidized.  This is a problem, particularly as we increase usage every day.

            1. Glenis Rix profile image98
              Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              The fact is that fossil fuel is a finite resource. One of my sons works in the offshore oil and gas industry, so he has a vested interest. But even he acknowledges that fossil fuels are not the way forward. It is estimated that North Sea gas will run out in 60 years. I won’t be around but my grandchildren will.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Unfortunately, according to the overwhelming majority of experts, if we fail to get aggressive about mitigating rapidly advancing climate change your grandchildren won't be around in 60 years: Progressive Democrats realize this extreme emergency and will do everything humanly possible to salvage our planet while CONservative republicans will always put GREED over everything, even the inevitable destruction of planet EARTH:

                Care about your grandchildren? ALWAYS Vote for Democrats:

                1. Glenis Rix profile image98
                  Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I’m English!

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    That's fine, VOTE for Progressive Liberals

          3. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            There are many geologists who believe that we will not run out of fossil fuels.  The gas and oil industry has found many different ways to find and extract.  Everything from shale oil to fracking and more will be supplying us with fossil fuel for hundreds of years.

            "However, new technologies for oil and gas exploration and extraction have upended the notion of fossil fuel scarcity: The limiting factor on humans' fossil fuel use will not be the exhaustion of economically recoverable fossil fuels,"

            https://www.livescience.com/37469-fuel-endures.html

            1. Glenis Rix profile image98
              Glenis Rixposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Fracking can cause earth tremors. It happened not so long ago in England. And it scars the landscape, which we are mere custodians of for future generations.

              1. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Sorry, I have to disagree.  Fracking is something that has been occurring around the world since the late 1800s.  With the advancement in technology, it is very safe. 

                "natural gas can replace coal and "dirty diesel" at significant scale throughout the world, supporting economic growth while slashing carbon emissions. (When burned, natural gas emits about half the CO2 that coal does)."


                https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmaho … 7977f62d25

              2. lobobrandon profile image89
                lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Glenis don't bother. I had a 17 forum page discussion with some of these guys who don't understand basic science and economics. Saying it's difficult or impossible to deal with is one thing, saying it doesn't exist, is a whole different ball game. I work with wind turbines and modeling of flow and know how these climate model predictions work, so kind of an expert in the field.

                It is usually US citizens that are the science deniers because they seem to lack basic elementary education even when they have studied. I'm not making this up, for instance: here and on Reddit there are mainly Americans who believe that vaccinations can travel back in time and cause genetic issues such as Alzheimer's. They believe that solar farms take away sunlight from fields in the vicinity and therefore lead to crop failure. What kind of education system produces people like this? Something is seriously wrong with their education, let's not let it be exported to the rest of the world.

                Wind, Solar, and even storage are cheaper than new coal power plants, especially considering new plants as the renewable sources fall in price and the new coal plants will not live up to their usual 25 years.

                You don't have to change due to global warming, the mere economics makes it worthwhile. But, they will never see it because their vested interest lies in being right. Right wing that is. The funny thing is that a conservative politician, Margaret Thatcher was the one to bring this to the political forum with a strong voice.

                The only reason it's sad is that the US is the biggest per capita polluter in the world. The others that follow: China, global shipping, the EU and India are making huge changes and are going green.

                The good news though is that there are many bright minds in the US, most of them were quiet and they are now waking up. Wilderness on this forum, for instance, he's a smart American. He doesn't agree on everything, but he agrees on facts and science. That's one person you can have a fruitful discussion with. There are others here, but there are just shouting to create noise, they are not adding anything useful to a discussion.

                1. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  So, Brandon, tell me, do you still eat beef?  Are you promoting cow flatulence that could ultimately destroy the planet?  Are you still using petroleum products knowing you are destroying the atmosphere?  Still flying in an airplane and driving is a car that uses fossil fuel?  Oh, then there are those other things that are a biproduct of fossil fuel like roads, DVDs/CDs, plastic and even detergent and so many other things.  Should all of those be eliminated?  I wonder if you look at your computer and realize all of the petroleum products involved in its creation.  So you talk the talk...do you walk the walk?  Or is it something you want everyone else to do?  Do you believe you should be exempt because you believe in global warming and that is enough?

                  1. lobobrandon profile image89
                    lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I replied the reply to your walk the walk question below. What do you do? That's right, you don't care. A generation or two from now, people like you will be seen as genocidal maniacs and enemies of mankind. I know of many who already see you as such. I don't, not yet. But I still do say you folk are dumb. I'm gonna go out and say that again and again.

    5. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      I wonder which is worse, hypocrisy by some on the left or denial of proven science by many on the right.

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        So, do you do something to decrease your use of fossil fuels or are you a hypocrite who believes it is proven science?

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          I recycle everything, contribute to the Nature Conservancy, drive fuel efficient cars, have only LED lighting in my house, use only paper bags rather than plastic bags at the grocery store, etc.

          What do you do to stop the destruction of the environment and the spread of propaganda paid for by the oil companies?

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            That is it?  That is all you do?  How can the planet earth be saved if you still eat meat, drive a vehicle, no matter how efficient, that uses fossil fuel.  Do you realize how many things depend on petroleum? 

            Here is a list of 144 common products that depend on petroleum. 

            https://www.innovativewealth.com/inflat … -gasoline/

            Until you are willing to give up driving on roads, using trash bags, detergents etc. that are made from petroleum?  Are you are going to be in the hypocrite category?

            Again, this is a hoax.  Even if it is true, there is no practical solution to it.  But, because I don't believe in it, I don't worry about it.

            I'm also not a hypocrite.  People who get crazy about it like my cousin and her husband make me laugh.  It's now a political topic that provides emotionally needy people an illusion of being morally superior. I doubt anyone who believes in global warming could live without what petroleum provides in their life.  It's like saying "I hate blood and I don't think any person should use it."

            Now, if you eliminated ALL petroleum products from your life...I'd be impressed.  I also would not see your response because petroleum is necessary for plastic, metal, and just about everything used to make your computer, probably used to generate your electricity and so on and so on.

            I just can't take people who scream about this too serious.  They all look pretty silly and hypocritical.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              You won't reply to me when I have something positive to say to you (like my top post).

              But you get angry when I make a comment you don't like, even though I don't mention you at all.

              Why is that?

              1. lobobrandon profile image89
                lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Insecurity. When you believe in something your entire life and you realize that you were wrong, that's what happens. I see the same symptoms in many who had blind faith in the Church as an institution and the way they deny that priests could be abusing people. They bounce off tangents and don't answer but get mad at you even though you say nothing wrong nor point at them.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Good point. Truth makes some people very insecure.

              2. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Promisem..Sorry if I offended you.  It was not my intention.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Thanks, Mike. I was not offended by your comment. I was curious about your lack of reaction to my first post where I agreed with you and strong emotional reaction to the second one.

            2. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              As always: Do you know how silly you sound? You may laugh at us, but you are the joke. Your family that you described is a joke too, they are hypocrites just like many religious followers.

              Is it safe to assume they don't understand the science either and any basic high school science like those people who fear that wind turbines blow the clouds away and that solar takes away food from plants?

              Also, has it ever occurred to you that they may be just like you: but left instead of right and they follow and believe everything their team throws at them without rational thought of their own. That's the difference between politics and fact. One is team based one is logic based.

              1. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Brandon, you're funny.  Do you know what conviction is?  What occurs to me is you talks a lot, I wonder what action you take in your own life that coincide with your beliefs on global warming.

                1. lobobrandon profile image89
                  lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Are you really that blind? I pointed it out to you twice already, that I have replied to that point. Go to your bathroom and dab some water onto your eyes. You have a log in there that needs to be taken out. It's those splinters that you're seeing reflected in the eyes of others. Go on now.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Maybe the problem is YOU who can't comprehend how dependent you and everyone in this world is on petroleum products.  They are many aspects of your daily life you don't realize.  The reality of the situation is you CAN'T eliminate petroleum products from your life.  The things you do have no real impact and only serve to make you have the fantasy you are doing something for the environment.  It is just a fantasy.

              2. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Okaay Brandon, I am not even going to look that one up, (I am afraid of what I might find), but there really are people that are against wind turbines because they blow they the clouds away?

                Don't bother proving it. It was too much fun just saying it.

                But on a serious note... you should consider a seat at the table instead of a chair on the judge's podium.

                GA

                1. lobobrandon profile image89
                  lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Yup, I linked to the one about solar panels taking away the sun from neighbor farms. The other is true too, but that I read a few months ago so don't have a link at hand.

                  Experts sit at the judge's table, usually, so that's where you will find me. Unless of course, you can find other experts to be at the judges table?

                  If you present a discussion, I will participate. Otherwise, I'm going to be judging and sending out links.

                  Btw. you find that funny? I wonder why. If you can explain the reason for yourself, it would be helpful. Because as dumb as you find that, I find the notion against scientifically proven climate change. So if you understand that and find that basic understanding, I find the latter to be basic too. This is in response to you saying I should join the table. I am not saying you deny anything. If you are willing to sit at the table with the people who say wind turbines blow clouds away and solar panels steal the sun from neighbouring farms, I too will sit at this table and not on the judges seat. I would not bother arguing if the title read : All those fighting for global warming living a hypocritical life.

                  EDIT: I did some quick searches to find some more: You can google with quotes to find them.

                  Yeah, but they're ugly and cause tornadoes. - my father
                  "Oh yeah? Well if there are so many wind turbines why these hurricanes happen if we're using so much wind!?" -Someone's real opinion.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image91
                    GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    You read way too much into my comment Brandon. (except the judge's podium part)

                    As to why I found that funny is because it is funny. As a species there are idiots among us in every walk of life and every perspective of an issue. And they are funny.

                    GA

                  2. profile image75
                    Hxprofposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "Because as dumb as you find that, I find the notion against scientifically proven climate change."

                    If I could absolutely, with 100% certainty trust that the way ALL of the research supporting man made global warming was conducted is sound, then I'd give it a second look.  I can't, at this point certainly trust it. 

                    If I could, however, I might be interested is seeing what else outside of an extreme attempt to transform all the economies on earth, along with the displacement and misery it would bring, could be done to correct it.

                    As of now though, I remain unconvinced that ALL of the supporting research was performed properly.

        2. lobobrandon profile image89
          lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          I buy from the local farmers market, I do not buy anything that comes in plastic. I cook at home every day, no take out, no plastic straws. I walk to work and back. I cycle around town if I need to. I contribute to the RnD of the renewable sector. All my electricity, the electricity in the entire state and the neighboring states are 100% renewable. The soap I use is made of natural ingredients, but it is shipped here in bulk.

          If you're going to say my bicycle tires are made of rubber, don't bother replying.

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Ah, but that's not nearly good enough for the climate-denying extremists on here. Obviously you are a left-wing hypocrite too.  wink

            1. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Yup, I don't mind being a hypocrite then smile At least I can sleep at night knowing that I am not the reason for someone else's suffering. I'm pretty sure most of the deniers get sound sleep too, but they are the often people who've for generations lived of the suffering of others. Businessmen cannot have empathy or any other emotion other than greed is the common saying. Not true, but that's the saying.

          2. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            So, do you use any of these products created from petroleum?  If you don't use them, you benefit from them.  How do you think food gets transported?  How do you think farms plant and harvest their products?  Everything you see in every store had to be manufactured and transported there.  Everything you purchase had to be transported to the store.  Roads are from petroleum products, plastics, metals are turned into items using petroleum products.  Do you have any idea how much you use or depend on petroleum products during every day of your life? You could not go a single day without using something manufactured or transported without petroleum products.  You couldn't go a day without using something made from petroleum products.  You may think your smart, but not smart enough to realize how dependent the entire world is on petroleum products.

            Here is a small list of products.

            Solvents    Diesel fuel    Motor Oil    Bearing Grease
            Ink    Floor Wax    Ballpoint Pens    Football Cleats
            Upholstery    Sweaters   (Boats    Insecticides
            Bicycle Tires    Sports Car Bodies    Nail Polish    Fishing lures
            Dresses    Tires    Golf Bags    Perfumes
            Cassettes    Dishwasher parts    Tool Boxes    Shoe Polish
            Motorcycle Helmet    Caulking    Petroleum Jelly    Transparent Tape
            CD Player (do people still have these?)    Faucet Washers    Antiseptics    Clothesline
            Curtains    Food Preservatives    Basketballs   
            Vitamin Capsules    Antihistamines    Purses    Shoes
            Dashboards    Cortisone    Deodorant    Footballs
            Putty    Dyes    Panty Hose    Refrigerant
            Percolators    Life Jackets    Rubbing Alcohol    Linings
            Skis    TV Cabinets    Shag Rugs    Electrician’s Tape
            Tool Racks    Car Battery Cases    Epoxy    Paint
            Mops    Slacks    Insect Repellent    Oil Filters
            Umbrellas    Yarn    Fertilizers    Hair Coloring
            Roofing    Toilet Seats    Fishing Rods    Lipstick
            Denture Adhesive    Linoleum    Ice Cube Trays    Synthetic Rubber
            Speakers    Plastic Wood    Electric Blankets    Glycerin
            Tennis Rackets    Rubber Cement    Fishing Boots    Dice
            Nylon Rope    Candles    Trash Bags    House Paint
            Water Pipes    Hand Lotion    Roller Skates    Surf Boards
            Shampoo    Wheels    Paint Rollers    Shower Curtains
            Guitar Strings    Luggage    Aspirin    Safety Glasses
            Antifreeze    Football Helmets    Awnings    Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass)
            Clothes    Toothbrushes    Ice Chests    Footballs
            Combs    CD’s & DVD’s    Paint Brushes    Detergents
            Vaporizers    Balloons    Sun Glasses    Tents
            Heart Valves    Crayons    Parachutes    Telephones
            Enamel    Pillows    Dishes    Cameras
            Anesthetics    Artificial Turf    Artificial limbs    Bandages
            Dentures    Model Cars    Folding Doors    Hair Curlers
            Cold cream    Movie film    Soft Contact lenses    Drinking Cups
            Fan Belts    Car Enamel    Shaving Cream    Ammonia
            Refrigerators    Golf Balls    Toothpaste Gasoline

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Mike, I agree with the point you are trying to make about our dependence on petroleum products.

              I think where we differ is the impact of those products on the environment.

            2. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              You couldn't go a day underwater or in a desert.

              You couldn't go a day without bees, you couldn't go a day without biodiversity.

              That small list and everything else DOES NOT MATTER without the above.

              Also, if you are one of those fools who beleives the change is a on-off switch, I have nothing to say to you, other than: you know what I call you... Do you think all those products and things came about in a day? It was a process from the day oil was discovered to the products came out.

              In the same way, the change is gradual, there are many things that can be replaced immediately and cheaper the others will be phased out as necessary. Throwing stuff out for no reason is against the point of being renewable and recycling.

              1. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Does it really matter if we irreversible harm is going to be done to the planet in 12 years?

                1. lobobrandon profile image89
                  lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Who said it's being done in 12 years? It's already being done.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Ocasio-Cortez: 'World will end in 12 years' if climate change not addressed

                    https://thehill.com/policy/energy-envir … nt-address

                2. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  One of the things the sky is falling crowd refuse to understand is over 50% of the problem exists in countries which cannot embrace these extremist views because to do so would completely negate their strides to move their countries out of poverty and their economies into global players.

                  Socialism in America implementing the green new power grab is not going to effect the clock in any substantive manner.

                  1. lobobrandon profile image89
                    lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Considering the USA is the biggest per capita on carbon emissions - yes it is.

                    Also China and India and the Shipping companies (the largest danish company is working on solutions) and the EU the next biggest players, are all cutting down on emissions and capping the extent they emit.

                    The problem could be Nairobi, but right now the US is also a major concern.

    6. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      A fair point. If you believe that the effects of global warming are a serious thing, then you should act accordingly and not demand that other people solve the problem.

      There are many small adjustments we can make - making sure all your light bulbs are LEDs, for instance. Driving a vehicle that gets good gas mileage. But believing strongly that global warming is a catastrophe and then doing nothing is the very definition of hypocritical.

  2. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 7 weeks ago

    Yes. Big time hypocrites. We could change an incredible amount and greatly reduce our carbon footprint just by personal adjustments but many want government mandates because they can't willingly make those changes to their own lifestyles.

  3. PhoenixV profile image64
    PhoenixVposted 7 weeks ago

    What I do not understand is the notion that simply affirming or denying global warming is somehow relevant. What if someone denies global warming but has no carbon footprint. Conversely etc.

    One thing I do know is that the typical millennial would not last a week on an island with no smartphones, lights, cars or a single luxury.

  4. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
    JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks ago

    Just FYI for anyone who truly cares: There's a lot of "FAKE" accusations floating around out there from the alt-right climate change deniers and some continue to repeat the falsehoods over and over again so I decided to post the TRUTH about how Climate Change is rapidly destroying our one and only habitable planet:

    I'm sure even after watching this NASA Film which depicts the dire circumstances we find ourselves in, there will STILL be the uninformed "Deniers" which at this point is no surprise, they probably believe it's a HOAX perpetrated by China just like the Clown Man in our oval office believes despite PROOF of Climate Change and Damage like the following:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHE0n5c6-6g

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      So, Jake, what steps are YOU taking to eliminate using fossil fuels in your life?  If it is so important, share how you are eliminating oil and other types of fossil fuels from being used by you.  You can talk the talk...can you walk the walk...or are you just another leftist hypocrite?

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
        JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        readmikenow, I don't know too many climate change hypocrites on the left side and I know a lot of people, most are doing what they can despite the madman reality denier in the oval office who will be removed very soon if our laws prevail and I'm doing almost everything humanly possible to mitigate my carbon outpu such as driving a near ZERO emission vehicle that is lubricated with "Synthetic Oil" to ensure the least amount of poisonous carbon is released into our fragile air supply and this vehicle will be exchanged for an electric car which requires ZERO Oil in the very near future, just like many of my family members drive right now:

        We recycle plastic, metal, paper and cardboard at the local recycling centers, we have energy efficient windows and appliances and aside from the slight amount of synthetic oil in our vehicles, we use ZERO other oil and we use ZERO coal, we don't even barbeque outside with charcoal briquettes because most of our cooking is done with a microwave oven:

        I'm sure I'm missing other environmentally friendly things we do but that's for starters: Unfortunately Devastating Climate Change is for REAL as displayed in the last NASA film clip I posted and it's happening right now with severe dire consequences for ALL Human Beings IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE if we fail to legally REMOVE those who are living in what appears from every public indication, to be mental anguish and psychopathy such as the person in the white house who to my knowledge, publicly stated he believes Climate Change is a HOAX perpetrated by CHINA which is an absolute INSANE Notion and everyone knows it, accept I guess his last few remaining followers:

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          YOU DON'T BARBECUE????

          You madman.

        2. lobobrandon profile image89
          lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          If only they were few. They are not the majority, maybe, but they are by no means few.

        3. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          LOL  "Near zero emissions" for an internal combustion engine does NOT mean no CO2 being released - only that it releases little in the way of pollution creating a health hazard.  Try again.

          You didn't mention, but are there fossil fuels entering your home?  Natural gas, for instance, used for hot water, ranges and the heating system.  If you live where electric cars are practical (metropolitan areas) natural gas is very common.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
            JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            wilderness, where did I say I have a "ZERO Carbon Footprint"? Nowhere that I know of but I'm doing the best I can with what I have, and no, I don't barbeque because it emits way too much poisonous gas into the atmosphere and by the way "Natural Gas" is much cleaner and more efficient than COAL or OIL which everyone should be required to limit and or convert over to another source for heating etc ASAP:

            Don't worry, if we follow the Retarded Russian Republicans in Congress like Gaetz who is now under investigation for witness intimidation after being a Complete IDIOT, we still have a good decade or two remaining before your grand-children become post toasties, and that my friends is a hard cold fact of life here on planet Earth regardless of the insane sentiment spewed by the soon to be REMOVED Clown in Chief who actually believes CHINA is perpetrating a Climate Change HOAX on the World: You can continue to "BUY Into" that retarded "Bamboozle Job" if you wish but if we still have laws, sonn you'll need to watch him spew that babbling retardation from his remote. cold prison cell:

            "One significant change in the Arctic region in recent years has been the rapid decline in perennial sea ice. Perennial sea ice, also known as multi-year ice, is the portion of the sea ice that survives the summer melt season."

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auMIfF50Ng

            1. lobobrandon profile image89
              lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Wow, that's a lot gone pretty fast. More than I had previously thought.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Yup, the TRUTH about rapid Climate Change is nothing less than ALARMING but don't worry lobobrandon, oval office Donald has it under control, before he's tossed out on his ears, he's probably gonna' nip this HOAX by invading CHINA to make them stop:

                1. lobobrandon profile image89
                  lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I don't really care about that idiot. It's the many others who put him there that are worrying.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image78
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    The BRIGHT Promising side? FINALLY many Trump Followers are coming to their senses just like former hardcore Trump Supporter Right Wing Extremist Ann Coulter who called him an IDIOT a few weeks ago: If she came to her senses anyone can, so there is actually hope and after that MASSIVE, Record Breaking Blue Democratic WAVE of Righteousness which washed away a good portion of Corrupt Russian Republican Congress-persons, wait until CONservatives get another POUNDING they deserve in 2020:

        4. Readmikenow profile image95
          Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Jake,

          I'm sure all of that makes you feel good.  The reality of it is you and everyone on the left use so many products in your every day life created from petroleum.  Let us just start with your computer.  Plastic, metals, wiring and more could not exist without petroleum. 

          Again, if climate change is real, there is no workable solution to it. 

          It the political world they have what they call "comic book" solutions.  The green new deal is one.  It's like a comic book story.  Looks good like a super hero, but has no place in the realm of reality.   

          So, do what makes you feel good and morally superior, but to do this you and the rest of the left have to ignore the economic reality of our world.  A comic book solution is all you can provide.

          1. lobobrandon profile image89
            lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            You fail to understand one thing and you will either ignore this message or write a witty reply and ignore what it stands for because it goes against your principle of THINGS MUST NOT CHANGE.

            Moving away from fossil fuels does not mean 0% fossil fuels. Computers and other stuff would, rather could still be made of plastic. You are moving away from fossil fuels where the tech allows it. The quality of life does not go down, the rate of economic growth does not go down, in fact it would increase as new tech and new scopes for jobs arise.

            Right now Robots are set to take away many jobs. I hope you're also against artificial intelligence because robots are going to reduce fossil fuel use as well. How? Fewer people will be traveling to work, duh. That's how your logic works.

            1. Readmikenow profile image95
              Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Guess what?  Fossil fuels will still be a major part of the manufacturing of robots such as the wires, glass, metal.  The robots will have to be transported somewhere.  Everything made will require using fossil fuels.  that's how understanding economics works.  Knowing about raw materials, manufacturing process, means of production, etc.   duh!

              You don't seem to be able to comprehend economic reality. 

              Good comic book solution.

              1. lobobrandon profile image89
                lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Of course, duh... Common sense, something you lack. But I'm surprised you caught that. What you failed to realize is that people who drive to work drive there every day, robots are shipped once. People without jobs won't have the money to buy a car: a lot less metal in a robot. Start fighting against automation, now before it's too late.

                1. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  What you lack is any type of business sense.

                  AI will be just like industrial revolution.  Things will change, but the economic principles will stay the same.  I'm sure the production of robots will change manufacturing, but it will still be manufacturing.  Robots will have to be made with materials and a manufacturing process involving fossil fuels.  Computers and everything else with it will be manufactured with fossil fuels.  Wind turbines, solar cells etc., all have fossil fuels as part of their manufacturing process.  Anyone who suggests the world will do away with fossil fuel now or in the future is not able comprehend reality.  Whatever you think fossil fuel is doing to the planet will always continue to be done because there is no economic incentive to stop it.

                  1. lobobrandon profile image89
                    lobobrandonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I linked to videos of experts saying that other forms of electricity are cheaper go back and look into them, as expected you don't look at facts presented.

                    Also, the world has fossil fuels for the next 400 years or so, 40 of which are economically viable today. To say it will forever be fossil fuels makes no sense. Is 400 years or even 1000 years forever? OR do you mean in your lifetime?

                    Also, green tech is not going to change economics, it's going to be the same principles, supply and demand being the foundation.

  5. PhoenixV profile image64
    PhoenixVposted 7 weeks ago

    1.The bogeyman is fossil fuels.
    2. It costs a lot more to heat than cool.

    If there were only some way to raise the global temperatures somehow...

 
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