The Rightwing Playbook in Portuguese?

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   Credence2posted 6 years ago

   https://theconversation.com/bolsonaro-w … try-105481
   
   Check out this tyrant from Brazil, who says that I am supposed to be so concerned about Venezuela?
   
   His approach of governance reminds me of someone I know..
   
   A Rightwinger is a Rightwinger is a Rightwinger regardless of what corner of the planet one might find ones-self.

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      Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The article says the reason he won the popular vote is because the liberal government had been embroiled in scandal and many had been arrested for corruption.
      
      Sounds like the left made themselves some comfy little beds, at the expense of the people, and got kicked out of them.
      
      There are consequences to elitism. Things sometimes have to swing hard away from something else before an even keel is arrived at.

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         Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So, now instead of removing the corrupted government, they overreach by putting a racist, misogynistic and authoritarian style dictatorial tyrant in its place.
         
         It is interesting that the pendulum "swing" far away embraces the bigotry and intolerance traditionally associated with the Right. You read his resume, what do you think that he is?
         
         So, because the govt of Brazil was corrupt and it was associated with a relatively liberal posture, now the electorate in reaction  chose a strong man, tyrant type?
         
         Can you imagine me supporting this brand of conservatism and the right wing at all under these circumstances either in America or Brazil?
         
         That is what has happened in America, the backlash reaction to a African American president was to elect an authoritarian despot? Well, we will swing the pendulum back to the proper course by January 20th 2021, if fortune favors.

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            Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Honestly, I skimmed the article. I didn't see a resume but I have no reason to argue. I trust you on that.  But, again, I think you miss an important problem in a rush to bash those you think are opposite. You appear to expect everything to be ignored except for certain particulars. Particulars, I might add, that work in your favor.
            
            I don't expect some to understand because I think some are bent on revenge, or retribution. I think there are those who have cloaked themselves so heavily in a victim mentality that the concept of fair play eludes them.
            
            What that philosophy breeds is more and more feelings of victimization. Forget Brazil. I'm focusing on us now. Here, in America. It's like the white male now. Attacked by every person who can either claim to be part of a 'marginalized' group and every person who wants to be a victim who joins the band wagon.  What has been accomplished is that we now have a whole new group of people who feel like victims.
            
            Victims lash out. They are given an emotional level to revert to. They move to protect themselves, because they feel victimized.
            
            Don't complain about populism. Because it's the tactic used by the left. The fact that they are bringing it out in the right is simply identity politics backfiring on them.

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               Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

               "What that philosophy breeds is more and more feelings of victimization. Forget Brazil. I'm focusing on us now. Here, in America. It's like the white male now. Attacked by every person who can either claim to be part of a 'marginalized' group and every person who wants to be a victim who joins the band wagon.  What has been accomplished is that we now have a whole new group of people who feel like victims."
               
               It is the sustainers and purveyors of the  "system" that remains inequitable and unjust that is under attack, and by association the entities that control it, whoever that is compose of....

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                  Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  K.

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            DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            When you have had your house robbed by armed men and have no guns to protect your family because the government outlawed them, you can talk about this.
            When you have seen many of your neighbors killed by drug dealers that are almost never convicted (about 10% of the time) you can talk about this.
            When the drug dealers doing the murders in your neighborhood do whatever they want because they know that they are only going to spend a few years in prison (and can plan on being released for mothers day, Christmas, etc), even if they are convicted, you can talk about this.
            When your kids have been offered drugs at school, because the drug dealers selling them are under 18 and will never spend a day in prison, you can talk about this.
            Bolsanaro was not elected by idiots. He was elected because he was a law and order candidate.

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               GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               It's good to see you venture into these forums Dr. Mark it's also good to hear from a voice on the ground.
               
               GA

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               Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

               First, I will say that it is informative to get the info from someone in place.
               
               Why does "law and order" always have to be synonymous with racial bigotry and misogyny?
               
               I have heard this rallying cry before, and it has always meant the same thing.
               
               Sounds a lot like America, as I have seen that movie, too.

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                  DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Law and order does not have to be associated with bigotry. When choosing a candidate to lead your country, however, you do have to put things in balance.
                  No, I do not agree with Bolsanaro´s  comments on gays. Yes, I do agree with Bolsanaro´s comments on allowing rural land owners to own shotguns to protect against rustlers.
                  No, I do not agree with Lulas/PT allowing those without land to invade farms and take them away from those who have purshased them. (They usually sell them off anyway, and end up landless and invading another farm down the road.) No, I do not believe it is okay to release all of the criminals for holidays so that they can spend time with their families. (A lot of them never go back, of course.)
                  So no, it is not a choice between racial bigotry and racial harmony, it is a matter of balance.

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                     Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Ok, Dr. Mark, being firm on law enforcement should not have a direct correlation with an expressed bigoted attitude by the Brazilian President.
                     
                     If you are "blanco" which I presume that you are, it is easy to speak of a balance between expressed bigotry and the desire for law and order.
                     
                     If you are among the colored people's there that attitude is not as reassuring. Just as Donald Trump is criticized for here, whites dismiss his misogynistic and race baiting comments as merely incidental to a larger goal. Of course, I am not going to see it that way, but view it as a direct attack on me and mine.
                     
                     Is that so unreasonable of a position to take?

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                        DrMark1961posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Most of us are mixed race. My daughter chose to put "negro" on her college entrance papers but I am paler because of my Irish father. I think Bolsanaro has more African blood that Dilma, our last PT president, but I am not sure of that.
                        I have not lived in the US for over 20 years, and do not feel qualified to answer your comment about Trump. I personally find many of his comments to be stupid and offensive, but I think some of his policies are helpful to your country.
                        What is really sad to see, at least from my viewpoint, is how many Americans now hate each other and commit acts of violence against each other because of this politician. Like Bolsanaro, he will be gone soon enough. The hatred and the consequences of the violence will stay with us all.

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                     mrpopoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Hi Mark. Would you be able to provide some sources on the following?:
                     
                     
                     
                     I'd search for the sources myself, but my Portuguese is a bit rusty.

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   DrMark1961posted 6 years ago

   This is one short article about the land invasions supported by the PT (workers party). https://veja.abril.com.br/blog/reinaldo … cializado/
   I am not sure if you can interpret it but the pictures speak for themselves. The farmer had built homes for the farmworkers and they had "luxuries" like indoor toilets and sinks. When the MST (residents without land) invaded they destroyed everything.
   I am pretty negative about this system because I have seen what happens a few years down the road. The MST invades, takes over a farm, titles are granted to the invaders, and a few years down the road the land is sold off. But are they landless once again? No, they just go elsewhere and repeat the process. Another farm is invaded, the workers lose their homes, tractors are burned, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

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