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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   If/when it happens, the students of the future will be learning about the Fall of America. When did it happen? How did it happen?
   
   Whatever your political leaning, please use your imagination and tell us the future ... based on what is happening today and what could happen as a result.
   
   For instance, I believe Mr. Sanders is actively courting the youth vote. I predict they will bring forth a socialist agenda and eventually America will fall as did Venezuela. The left, the young and the ignorant do not think it will happen. They believe we will be able to live like Finland and Sweden.
   Right?
   
   Well, based on the fact that this is a very large country, its not going to work out the same as those small little countries.
   How could it?

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I have more faith in America and its youth. They may be temporarily disillutioned and brain washed by their professors...but when they gradute and enter the real world and the work place, they will learn about life and how it works and they will come around.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Really?
         I will take that as hope for the future. Thank you!
         
         This wikipedia article was interesting to me. (gmwilliams keeps mentioning how this sector in society is disappearing.  Is it?)
         
         "Blue collar workers are the key driving force for future development. In many industries such as construction, manufacturing, oil and gas, agriculture, transportation and warehousing, the blue collar segment is absolutely key.
         Organisations need to utilise the skills of blue collar workers in order to achieve better integration and collaboration to reach common goals. These workers are an important aspect of corporate culture, and management will face shortcomings if they do not recognise this.
         
         There has always been a certain connotation that blue collar workers are deemed less intelligent or not as glamorous as white collar office workers, however, many jobs in this sector still attract highly driven and smart individuals. Manual competence entails its own set of skills and knowledge that can work wonders for an organisation.
         
         For society to flourish, organisations need people skilled in an array of professions to ensure the health, safety and the comfortable living of everyone. Blue collar workers have essentially built our civilisation and often their professions are overlooked and not given the respect they deserve. In many cases, it’s likely that those deemed as white collar workers, will not have the slightest idea on how to construct or maintain the infrastructure and machinery many of the community heavily depends on."
         
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         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-collar_worker

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I think most of us, as adults, can easily see that being more educated only means one has more education. It has nothing to do with intelligence, but more to do with resources available to spend more time in advanced education, and from there, depending on field of study, one could easily become far less intelligent for it all.
            
            How else does one describe the Bernie Sanders cult following? You'd have to be an utter pancake to have somehow missed the complete and total failure of socialism in world history.

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               The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with 80% of your assessment, the 20% is your use of the words "education", which is a self done thing since the prime prefix, edu, means" to bring forth from within", and the phrase "It has nothing to do with intelligence". The prefix of intelligence is "in" which also means what one is presenting came from within themselves via their "reasoned" experiences and makes all of us be "utter pancakes" who ...

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I base the fall of America on the predictions in the Bible that she is the last world ruling nation before civilization ends. Being so, the future that will her fall and disappearance from existence as Revelation 17:9-11 ends saying, "the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition".
      
      The seventh world ruling nation in that prophecy is "Great Britain" and the US is her offspring (Genesis 49:1 & 8-12) as the eighth that goes into "prediction" meaning "how the scriptures predict it will." That prediction is how Revelation chapter 18 describes it, destroyed by double the weapons she used in her 6 self inflicted treasonous acts produced wars that began with 1898 Spain through 1915s Germany, 1941s Germany, 1963s Vietnam, the first Iraq and 9/11s Iraq and Afghan wars.
      
      That is what Daniel 2s interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's first dream of civilization's end that historical and Biblical Babylon was the first of the 7 nations preceding the US being the place the second messiah is born foretells. Therefore, any and all future students to know anything about her will be wondering how to "stay alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY ".

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      hI, kathrnyn, when will America fall? In ancient history, proud nations which ignored the knowledge of God are an easy target for His destruction. Remember how the Jewish nation became scattered all over the world? This yardstick can apply to any country, not just America. Thank you.

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         The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Miebakagh, no one know exactly when America's demise is but she is Judah of prophecy (Gen. 49:1 & 8-12 and Micah 5:2), the nation Daniel 2 & 4 describes along with Mystery Babylon (Rev. 17 & 18), to name a few. However, the key will be when the messiah replaces Donald J Trump as president as seen in the link both she and I posted. Trump will not be impeached by human but God and replaced by the messiah like David did Saul. Once the messiah leaves office and protect 5 of the 10 virgins (5% of earth's population, Mat. 25:1-13) in Armageddon the "battle that greatly of God Almighty" begins to end civilization.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Hi, The0NatureBoy, you are welcomed and thank you.

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      lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The fall of America will be due to greed and excess.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         ... the effects of capitalism?

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            lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            No, the effects of humans.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               So humans will bring down America.
               Is there any way to stop it?

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                  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, educate our youth...

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     You do know that the Common Core curriculum has taken hold in all the public schools in most states? Only about four states have resisted the federal money which is offered when a state agrees to the program and then buys and distributes the Common Core text books, computer tests and data mining questioning.
                     
                     Everyone needs to know how this curriculum (via Bill Gates) has been infused into our educational institutions across the land: preschool through college. There is no escaping it. The program is introduced in Preschool and feeds into Elementary School. Elementary School feeds into Jr. High and Jr. High feeds into High School. High School prepares students to take the Common Core based SAT entrance exams to get into the nation's colleges and universities ... and there you have it.
                     0 education, 100% indoctrination. Check it out on You Tube.

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                        jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I know all about Common core...
                        Even the teachers hate it.

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Yet they say nothing for fear of loosing their sources of income.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              They are chicken.

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                        Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi, Kathyrn, the link?

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                     Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Hello, jacklee im, education in such issues leads to nowhere. Thanks.

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                        The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Miebakagh, Education as defined "to objectively observe, reason to see various outcomes for reasoning their cause to be able to communicate it to others" is not an issue leading to nowhere. Schooling is! The governments, USA aka Mystery Babylon led, has changed the definition of school from "conditioned to follow leaders to their own demise like going to war" for the purpose of implementing the "new world order" what their doing was intending to implement.

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                           jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I disagree. The key to a successful civilization, long term, is education.
                           If the next generation is not educated on the past and the history, just as George Satayana said, it will repeat. And it will not be pretty...

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                              The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              How do you define "education" if my definition is incorrect? I would agree had you said "school" with the meaning provided.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes. We are repeating what happened in Rome. If we could get on this and try to correct ourselves we could at least delay the fall.
                              Right????
                              
                              Or realize there is NO destiny or destined path ... only WILL. We need mass wisdom-guided will.  Not blind stupid ignorant will.
                              
                              We need to wise up. How to start this movement?
                              I think we need to talk to Bill Gates.
                              ... tell him his experimenting is harming our youth. Tell him there is a better way. Tell him to talk to TRUE valued educators who know how to reach children in a heart-felt way and truly educated way. Tell him we need to bring back philosophy and honest history. We need to bring The Federalist Papers into every High School, College and University.
                              
                              We need to bring back Pythagorus, Aristotle, Plato and Hume and the writers of the Enlightenment period, all the classic authors, such as Mark Twain, and the scientists, such as Newton and Einstein.
                              
                              Tell him the kids are starving for Truth and the Joy of learning. With his power he could transform our educational system.
                              
                              Tell Trump to demolish the D.O.E. to let the teachers in each state have more creativity and control. Tell him to trust the teachers. Tell him to address the teacher training programs and help THEM somehow.

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                                 lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

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                                    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    Oh, and the Egyptians are better because...?

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                                       lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                       Because they understood spirituality, lived it, and we don't.

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                                          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                          How could we live according to (true) spirituality?

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                                             lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                             Do you really have to ask? Try"Don't be an Ass" and our problems will be solved.

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                                                Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                                The framers of the Constitution knew above all things that "Don't be an Ass" is the problem.
                                                Human nature is ever fallible. As addressed in The Federalist Papers by the framers of The Constitution of the United States: Men (people) are not angels.

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                                 The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 In all honesty, KLH, we are  only repeating what has been happening every since the metaphor of Cain's killing Abel. There is no way of stoping destiny, llano one can do is become "a lover of wisdom", as Philosophy means. What is destiny will manifest no matter how anyone attempt to prevent it.
                                 
                                 The NWO manufacturers hoped they could save themselves from destiny but too many details they didn't know so they have fAIled with all of their doings, yet, that was in the destiny because if they didn't do what they did its would have to have been done another way.
                                 
                                 Written in "in all your getting, get understAnding" and understanding and wisdom are the same word.

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                                    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    So according to you we should just shut up and live our mundane lives or meditate in a cave or whatever.
                                    
                                    I always tell myself I cannot change the world and to stop wasting my time  on HubPages Topical Forums which I am apparently addicted to. Maybe I should follow my own advice. I can't change the course of National or World events, so WHY TRY?
                                    I am NUTS! aren't I?

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                                       Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                       I think we are digressing here. The issue is too complicate for us mundane personalities. God in His wisdom help us.
                                       
                                       Jesus will never, never take over President Trump. The Bible predicted that He will preside over the tribe of Judah and hence, over the twelve tribes of Israel. From there he takes over the world government at his pleasure. I hope I will be corrected. Thank you all.

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                                          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                          Revelations deals with the inner science of spirituality and has nothing to do with the world. Revelations deals with the metaphysical, not the physical.
                                          
                                          sheesh.

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                  lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Walk like an Egyptian.....

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                     Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     lovetherain, the Egyptians, for your information are an epic in education. Most of what we know especially the alphabet and writing comes from them also. Thanks.

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                        lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        They were doing something right if they could last over 3000 years

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                           Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           lovetherain, I agreed.

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Greed is what drives one to succeed, and that success lifts everyone around. Your Marxist notions of greed are dull.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Legitimate self-interest and greed are two separate things.
            Boundaries! "Do unto others as you would have others do run to you," sets up boundaries.
            For instance ... there are many ... find one!

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            The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think so, Todd. "Greed" means "to get an excess of what's needed in the moment of need" which always imposes a burden on those associated with obtaining the excess. "To obtain only is needed when needed" is the law of "indifference" most human call love but "to love" means to be selfish.

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               jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               What are you saying?
               This makes no sense and has nothing to do with greed. Greed is a real human trait and a motivator. People in business are motivated by greed. There is no connection with love which is another human emotion.
               Greed is what drives someone to risk his savings to start a business and create something new that others may want...the profit motive is what drives someone to risk and gain reward. If he succeeds, all benefits. The customers who buy his product or services, the person who started the business, the government that tax all commerce activity...it is a win-win.
               Greed is good.

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                  Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Hi, ah1 ah1 ah1 Eh! eh! eh! Seriously, greed should also be considered in terms of a goat taking and taking and taking always. How does this benefit in the short or long run? Does my question make some sense here? Thanks.

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                  The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Jackclee, That is what I'm saying, human (defined "minds unable to comprehend all things because of judging rather than reasoning") have greed as their motivator: man (defined "minds able to comprehend ALL things and able to exceed the ability of the earth and everything hereon {Gen. 1:26-28's dominion's definition}) don't require money and the stuff human make primarily for the purpose of earning money. Of course it is written in metaphors and parables of most religions, "few will become man, most will remain in the human mindset.

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      tsadjatkoposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      What you are not considering is that the youth eventually grow up-and their brains are not fully developed until at least age 25 so in an educated society they eventually through experience become adults who can reason properly and as any adult will tell you they are nothing like they were as young adults in their ability to reason right from wrong.
      
      The thing is will we still have an educated society or an indoctrinated one (socialism requires an indoctrinated society, that’s why socialism requires the infringement of liberties guaranteed by our constitution). It’s not the youth or the numbers of youth that threatens us, it’s the manipulation of our education system that is our biggest threat.

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         The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         tsadjatko, Educate means to "bring forth from within" which is done by objectively observing, participating to see different outcomes for reasoning and being able to explain their findings" which our Constitution allows but the USA's controlled schools (defined "conditioned to follow leaders to ones own demise like into a war), our parental guidance and religious teachings began indoctrinating us in our mother's womb. In the wombs because the mother's emotions and words are picked up by the child, especially during the last try-master, so civilized man has little to no choice except to be conditioned not to reason but to blind obedience which is usual reinforced by "punishment and reward."
         
         Unless our children chose to follow what we were told the two messiahs did or must to do (Isaiah 7:14-22) along with everyone who expects to survive the world's termination, "practice living environmentally (HONEY) after living civilized (BUTTER)" we will never learn to reason outside of "what is one's preference of the judgmental adjectives put before me." The very notion that there is a "right and wrong", or the other judgmental adjectives including "god and devil" over the abhorred land of the discarnated, takes away our willingness to explore anything outside of civilization.
         
         By my above definition and knowledge of what it consist of it means there are few to no educated civilized people, most are "the blind leading the blind" into following them into their own demise.

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            Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Hi, The0NatureBoy, you are welcomed. Thanks, and good day.

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   Greed and avarice will be the cause of our demise. We'll pull each other apart out of jealousy and spitefulness. We'll continue to break down into smaller and smaller tribes, squabbling for power and influence.
   
   Unless, people stop using social media as their litmus test for what is real and start depending on their own eyes and ears to determine reality. And they stop hating online.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "... start depending on their own eyes and ears to determine reality..."
      and their own intuition.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   In a nut shell, America will fall if it becomes socialistic due to OVER TAXATION, desperation and corruption!

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   of course some, like The0NatureBoy, believe that with the fall, something better will ensue.
   
   .... wondering what that will look like.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Before the fall, while the messiah presides, There will be world peace for, I believe, 3.5 years, after that all man not in Armageddon will kill each other off until none survives. Then "the dead in Christ" will be born and together that 10% of this world's population will completely  populate 100% of the population for man's alternate body's civilization where there is no reproduction, pains, sea nor sun (Revelation 21).

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         wow!

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Hi, The0NatureBoy, is your 3.5 years 31/2 or 3,500 years. I thought the Bibles says Christ will reign for a thousand years before civilization comes to an end. Thank you.

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            The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            The Bible doesn't state exactly how long christ reigns but "the parable of the fig tree", when comprehended, reveals from 1948 when "those who call themselves Jews but are not" reclaimed Israel (Isaiah 11:1-12) until the end of civilization is 70 or 80 (Psalms 90:10) years with much suffering and pain. That would make the total elimination of this world 2028 at the latest. Thus, that is why I suspect the christ to reign only about three and one half years. But Kim Clemet's prophecy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxv-0LxG_A implies he will reign until 2024 finishing out Trump's first term and being re-elected in 2020.

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Well gosh dang, I like eschatology, but yours is an extra spicy interpretation of Christian eschatology. I'm worried for my innards.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, Kathryn, read the book of the Revelations to know all these things and thanks.

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         The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         The book of Revelation without understanding many of the Old Testament's prophecies will scare most people because of the symbolism.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   we either watch the fall or stop the fall. I prefer to stop the fall.
   ... and I know how to resist the evil, stop the corruption and change the course of events which are leading us to destruction. 
   
   Its a simple matter of accepting common sense boundaries and using freedom rightly.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      ... the federal government must let go of its control over public education.
      Federally controlled/mandated government schools are illegal.
      Boundary: No federal D.O.E.
      Let the states have control over their public schools. Stop bribing them to give up their autonomy with $$$$$$$$$.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, Kathryn, are you sure you can stop prophecy with common sense? Prayers and fasting could be much better to change such a degree of catastrophe. But unfortunately, eration of world civilization will take place sooner or later. Noone knows when. America will end. Sowill Great Britain,andmy Nigeria. Many thanks.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      To do that, KLH, requires "draining the 'swamp' of corruption" all federal, state and city governments are call in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZxv-0LxG_A

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   ... we are no longer the home of the brave, apparently.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      This nation was /is the brave when it comes to fighting people not as armed as the US. A brave nation fight only in defense of itself, not to occupy other nations to become an Empire.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   Be like a chicken and that's what you will promote: A nation of bird brains.
   
   I hope I'm wrong. I hope teachers are teaching with common sense and heart despite what they are expected to teach and not teach according to Common Core mandates.
   
   And I hope kids will learn much in their own homes via their parents and family members.

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      Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, Kathryn, will their (the teachers?) Do parents teach their kids at home again when the TV box is streaming? Now the computer, laptop, tablet, and so on...Thanks.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Common Core's intent!

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   So the writers of The Federalists Papers were not spiritually oriented?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      unwritten chapters of the future I guess ...

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      lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, never studied it. Even if they were, it has nothing to do with America NOW.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         How could you believe The Federalist Papers has nothing to do with America NOW if you never read them?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   “If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.” James Madison

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      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      The understanding of the US Constitution is that design but it will take the Angels or Messiahs, one a boy and the other a girl, to bring it into fruition.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    The providing of boundaries so that humans can live in peace, harmony and freedom is a real problem.
    
    For instance here in So Cal we have beautiful mountain side blooms of poppies. People from all over the world came to see them, but many people ended up tromping through them taking selfies, littering the views and smashing flowers. Too much freedom. What is wrong with respecting nature and each other? I just don't know.
    
    Now, to see the magnificent hillside super blooms, you have to pay ten dollars and get on a tram. They had to close the access roads.
    
    “You see this beautiful pristine photo of nature, but then you look to the left and there’s plastic Starbucks cups and water bottles on the trail and selfie sticks and people having road rage because some people were walking slower...”
    
    https://globalnews.ca/news/5071689/cali … om-selfie/

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    "... they, (the youth) eventually grow up-and their brains are not fully developed until at least age 25 so in an educated society they eventually through experience become adults who can reason properly and as any adult will tell you they are nothing like they were as young adults in their ability to reason right from wrong." tsadjatko
    
    This is true of the ones not hooked on drugs or addicted to alcohol.
    
    So, there's another thing we have to eradicate in our quest to strengthen America and enable it to stand, rather than fall:
    SUBSTANCE ABUSE and drug dependance.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Make pot illegal again? Keep all drugs as illegal as they can be?
    Take away the need for mind altering drugs?
    
    The need is based on the inability to be high/happpy without drugs.
    
    Allow kids to experience JOY of life ...
    
    somehow!

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I disagree, KLH! Allow all natural growing substances described in Genesis 1:29 and outlaw all alchemist produced substances that transforms plants chemistries, which are ones causing most of our sickness, and the rest is caused cooking our foods which chemically changes the plant's chemistry along with limiting our diets based on our "I like and hate" attitudes.

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          Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

          The0NatureBoy, you are welcomed. I would advocate that the modern man cook his/her food for only 10 to 15 minutes. I think this will make them talk more of "I like." Thank you.

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       hard sunposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Humans have ingested mind altering substances forever. I'm consuming a cup of coffee right now. I say make all drugs legal.

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          The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          You have me "laughing out loud", Hard Sun!!!

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    For one thing adults/parents put way too much pressure on kids to get good grades and excel in sports.
    
    To compensate for their over-exertion in school and on the field, parents allow their kids to overindulge in screen technology, playing games and becoming enmeshed in virtual realities, (and other technological worlds and endeavors I don't even know about.)

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I do agree with that, KLH, that is one reason why those things are produced, the other is "financial greed" since our governments (fed down to cities) are only interested in obtaining "money (that) has value".

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    No democracy stands without morals and boundaries ... freely absorbed in childhood and freely relied upon in adulthood.
    
    
    However, you can't mandate that people live by The Golden Rule!

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       People would know "the golden rule" if they lived ecologically.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    You can't force people to be GOOD!

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       If we lived ecologically we would all be "indifferent" and get only what is needed at the intended time and condition for all things.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    If you do, they won't be happy
    
    at all.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    This is why America will fall if you force "social democracy/socialism" upon it. This form of government takes away freedom and self-guided will with all sorts of government mandates which are instilled for the GOOD OF ALL.
    Let it be for the good of oneself and one's loved ones, neighborhood, city, state and country ... in that order.
    Okay?
    is that so bad, Cortez and Sanders? Stop with all your do-goodings, already!
    
    Your Good Intentions will lead to Hell and the Fall of America.

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Any and all governing that takes away the individual's inner guide will come to a disturbing termination. you are correct, "Judged (good is a judgement) Intentions" is why all the thousands of "Judah" (Micah 5:2) that preceded the USA have fallen as will it.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    understanding the concept of Freedom within boundaries will save us,
    but it has to start with every individual.
    and taught in childhood.
    and the example must be widespread throughout society.
    Impossible?
    I don't think so.
    I really don't.

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       It does start within but it is what I said before in different terms, "the mis-understanding began in our schooled mothers' wombs and, enforced by punishment and reward and further enforced by their various schoolings.

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    Miebakagh57posted 4 years ago

    Hi, Kathryn, but we can live and let live. Thanks.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Oh really?
       how has that worked out in America?

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          Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Why not make it happen?

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          The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Like it does in all "unconditioned orders" as seen in the self-reproducing environment.

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             Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

             The0NatureBoy, you're wonderful to come to such an answer easily! What do you eat and what do you drink a moment ago? Thanks.

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                The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Banana/cookie sandwiches and black brown sugar sweeten coffee because my destiny has me cooped in a place where I don't have access to the self-reproducing environment but https://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/categor … r-stories/ is someone who left the mainstream diet and doctors to heal himself from cancer.

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                   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                   very Yin, very Yin. No excuse!
                   
                   
                   

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                      The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                      In obedience to my inner guide I do what I must to maintain myself. That is no excuse because what Israel ate during their wilderness sojourn was sweet. I'm in preparation for the 6000 years required for the 10% (virgins) to replenish the earth with the whole 100% of about 10 billion "alternative" bodies for the "alternative world" described in Revelation 21.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    PS Pot is very Yin.
    It will wreck havoc with your gums and teeth.
    Cancer is caused by yin conditions in the body and a lack of oxygen in the blood.
    eat Greens which attract oxygen into the blood.
    Less stress helps too.

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       The0NatureBoyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       My preference is raw berries, fruit, grans, nuts and vegetables fresh from where the grow. I inherited a gum disease that has removed all but 4 teeth and 6 parts but that doesn't stop me from obeying my inner guide, Spirit ensures my survival, after all, I surrendered "every fiber of my existence" into the Spirit's control and it has proven that it is looking out for me in more ways than I can count. "Obedience" is the sacrifice for surrendering to Spirit.

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