The Benefits of Hippiedom

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   The realm of hippiedom has its place. But not in politics.
   Obviously.
   
   
   And Yet, for some reason, according to the precepts of hippiedom, the world needs to become a better and more enlightened place; and the government should make that happen. Only an angel, they seem to believe, should be POTUS; an angel who will force others to provide welfare for the downtrodden ... an angel with no conception of what creates downtroddeness.
   
   But then, how could he, a mere angel?
   
   So consider, what is politics about in the realm of solid men and women?
   Is it to give the govt. more power?
   
   Idealistic no-nothing hippies say, yes.
   Reasonable educated people say, no.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Evidently you have read the Constitution with understanding. It give
      we the people the power over government by calling them Public Trust(ees). It doesn't allow for parties, it requires taking care of our territory's environment and all of We The People. 
      
      KLH, why don't you read the constitution and not, if you have, just pronounce the words of it.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         How would life in America look without Political parties?

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      James A Watkinsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I lived in a hippie commune for a couple months when I was a teenager. I learned three valuable lessons: 1) Socialism doesn’t work. 2) Free Love doesn’t work. 3) It is not true that anything you believe is true just because you believe it.
      
      Supposedly, everything was to be shared equally—communally—because everyone would contribute what they could. But in fact, several of the men worked all day in the hot Sarasota sun doing roofing and construction—and gave their pay to the commune—while a few did not work at all but freeloaded while hanging out with the chicks all the day. Oh, they were ‘looking for work’ but they had ‘bad backs’ or  ‘one leg was shorter than another’ or a ‘phobia of alarm clocks’ or ‘working for the man’ would not do.
      
      Supposedly, sexual jealousy belonged to old foggies, backwards Neanderthals, uptight prides, and would soon be a thing of the past after the hippies forged a new path of everybody balling everybody. Crabs had a field day and in fact sexual jealousy was rampant among the enlightened few. Eventually, I saw individuals become attached to a particular other person and they were ripped apart emotionally when someone else would bang them right in front of everybody.
      
      Additionally, the hippies would also sit around in a drug-induced stupor all night finding new wisdom man had not thought of before, such as “Whatever you believe to be true IS TRUE FOR YOU. That is how powerful the human mind is.” This was especially applied to ‘comparative religions,’ the idea that all religions are true but only for those who believe in them. In other words, if YOU think you are going to meet Jesus when you die, YOU will. If YOU are an atheist who believes nothing will happen when YOU die, it won’t. If YOU are Hindu who believes in reincarnation, YOU will come back as a bug or something.  Sadly, one guy also thought he could fly.

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         Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Wow Man, that was so awesome, you are what you think. Free love is hardly free, still everything in moderation works better .

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   And yes, the political party chosen by hippies is the Democratic Party.
   Prove it isn't so.

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      MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, and I find that too bad that they have chosen the Democrat Party to use to launch their attack on America. Naturally, the party of rampant Capitalism wouldn't accept them. But it would be nice if they called a spade a spade and stuck to the old Socialist Party. They won't do that because it's been tried before and failed. They are shouting down the real Democrats and taking over just like the fascists have shouted down the real Republicans and taken over their party.
      
      What is Fascism?
      https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   George Orwell wrote the following in an essay titled, "What Is Fascism?"
   "I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people:
   
   Conservatives: All Conservatives, appeasers or anti-appeasers, are held to be subjectively pro-Fascist. British rule in India and the Colonies is held to be indistinguishable from Nazism. Organizations of what one might call a patriotic and traditional type are labelled crypto-Fascist or ‘Fascist-minded’. Examples are the Boy Scouts, the Metropolitan Police, M.I.5, the British Legion. Key phrase: ‘The public schools are breeding-grounds of Fascism’.
   
   Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour
   
   Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.
   
   Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by
   
   Anarchists and Trotskyists.
   Trotskyists: Communists charge the Trotskyists proper, i.e. Trotsky's own organization, with being a crypto-Fascist organization in Nazi pay. This was widely believed on the Left during the Popular Front period. In their ultra-Right phases the Communists tend to apply the same accusation to all factions to the Left of themselves, e.g. Common Wealth or the I.L.P.
   
   Catholics: Outside its own ranks, the Catholic Church is almost universally regarded as pro-Fascist, both objectively and subjectively;
   War resisters: Pacifists and others who are anti-war are frequently accused not only of making things easier for the Axis, but of becoming tinged with pro-Fascist feeling.
   
   Supporters of the war: War resisters usually base their case on the claim that British imperialism is worse than Nazism, and tend to apply the term ‘Fascist’ to anyone who wishes for a military victory. The supporters of the People's Convention came near to claiming that willingness to resist a Nazi invasion was a sign of Fascist sympathies. The Home Guard was denounced as a Fascist organization as soon as it appeared. In addition, the whole of the Left tends to equate militarism with Fascism. Politically conscious private soldiers nearly always refer to their officers as ‘Fascist-minded’ or ‘natural Fascists’. Battle-schools, spit and polish, saluting of officers are all considered conducive to Fascism. Before the war, joining the Territorials was regarded as a sign of Fascist tendencies. Conscription and a professional army are both denounced as Fascist phenomena.
   
   Nationalists: Nationalism is universally regarded as inherently Fascist, but this is held only to apply to such national movements as the speaker happens to disapprove of. Arab nationalism, Polish nationalism, Finnish nationalism, the Indian Congress Party, the Muslim League, Zionism, and the I.R.A. are all described as Fascist but not by the same people."
   
   http://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/A … lish/efasc

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      MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, confusing, ain't it? But I agree that they both have one thing in common: The desire to CONTROL!

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         hippies do not have the "desire to control."
         Hippies desire a utopian world. They figure the govt could help out in this regard, but this is where they are  WRONG  .
         The government is not going to help make the world a better palace. The government can help prevent the destruction of a wonderful world.
         What is a wonderful world?
         
         Let us figure that out and then work to preserve it.
         LET US figure it out
         ... for ourselves, by ourselves.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Hippies were a counterculture movemebt. If anything, they were anti-government.

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               The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               The true Hippies were, PrettyPanther. When I became born again I became a true hippy so I know first hand. The man called Jesus the Christ was a true hippy is why he went too the cross.

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            The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            That is exactly why I am working to get people to read with understanding the U.S. Constitution. The government has butchered it so and discouraged our reading it in any way except how they are practicing it. There is no way obedience to the Constitution's words would allowed this nation's leaders to ever take over what has become the lower 48 states and, even more so, be occupying over 150 different nations today which means the U.S. is attempting to be an empire rather than an nation.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   "Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come."
   George Orwell, Tribune 1944.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   Is it a matter of Facists against Hippies?
   ... and has it always been?
   
   Man!

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   so, if there were no parties ... We would just vote on issues?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   can we get rid of parties?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   Can we get rid of bullies and victims?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Do hippies, in general, posses victim mentality?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    "John Lennon’s songs “Instant Karma,” “Give Peace A Chance,” “Across The Universe,” “Revolution” (“But when you talk about destruction / Don’t you know that you can count me out”), and “Imagine” are probably as close to a hippie manifesto as existed, and the Woodstock festival as close to a mass manifestation of the idea as would survive the hype.
    It is easy to cherry pick a few idiotic phrases from stoners in the 1970 documentary Woodstock, but what made the event and its legacy meaningful to its fans—aside from the music—was the example of people in the hip community taking care of each other, as shown in the Wavy Gravy documentary Saint Misbehavin’. No two hippies had the same notion of what the movement was all about, but there were some values they all shared. As Time put it in 1967, “Hippies preach altruism and mysticism, honesty, joy and nonviolence."
    
    ”https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/in-defense-of-hippies

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    “Hippies preach altruism and mysticism, honesty, joy and nonviolence."
    
    
    In a naturally dishonest, violent and materialistic world, yes, they are necessarily  v i c t i m s .
    
      ULP.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    So, hippies necessarily reach out to the government with open palms because, after all, SOMEDODY has to correct the wrongs of the W O R L D ! ! !
    
    why not themselves? ? ?
    
    They need to become stronger  w i t h i n  themselves.
    And demand that their rights to do so, remain intact.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    strength of the individual VS strength of the government
    
    which is the ideal?
    
    which DO you choose?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Hint:
    Here is the response of someone who would NOT choose the ideal.
    
    "In a democracy, taxes are supposed to be paid to the governing body, in order for the it to make the country safe and easy to live in for all people.
    
    In a modern civilization, that means quite a high level of services:
    
    "4. There would be a strong social welfare system or even better, a Universal Basic Income. When too many people get too poor, history has shown that there are revolutions. It is interesting that cartoons, these days, are talking more and more about chopping off the heads of the rich (French Revolution). First it starts with laughter of the possibilities. Social Welfare prevents crime and violence. It's bull that it makes people lazy and dependent. The reason some don't want a good Social Welfare system is because they don't want to pay taxes. Well, the price of living in a safe, civilized country is taxes."

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Taxation is problematic and always has been.
    Why, all of the sudden, do we (apparently) forget this fact?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    "The tax 'reforms' of Emperor Diocletian in the 3rd century were so rigid and unwavering that many people were driven to starvation and bankruptcy. The state went so far as to chase around widows and children to collect taxes owed.
    
    By the 4th century, the Roman economy and tax structure were so dismal that many farmers abandoned their lands in order to receive public entitlements.
    
    At this point, the imperial government was spending the majority of the funds it collected on either the military or public entitlements. For a time, according to historian Joseph Tainter, "those who lived off the treasury were more numerous than those paying into it."
    
    
    
    "Whether direct taxation in the form of outright theft, or indirect taxation in the form of inflation, these tactics have been used for millennia to maintain privilege for an elite few at the expense of everyone else."
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com/all-tra … tor-2012-4

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    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

    John Lennon was the king of the hippies and rebellion also along with the likes of love JC. There is alot of things about millenniums that feel untitled and reminds me of us boomer hippies, in our flower power period. My daughter who is a millennium blames alot things on us boomers that we actually have done wrong. I told my daughter, your right hippies have dropped the ball on alot of beautiful things about the hippy movement. Being a boomers, I apologized for the destruction of the planet and the mass of boomers supporting greedy. Although I will work everything in my power of love of the people and nature to fit it. For example, the Greed we have allowed the wealthy, also pollution of the planet, destruction of big fish and trees and most animals on the earth so on... & so on.  Boomers have created more prison cell than college dorms. Revamping of the nuclear arms race, and gun happy people feared of the military complex and Goverment turning the public into entire slavery as they have done many times in the pass human history.
    I'll let the world change its. Best thing that I can do,  is change myself to be a better person than before, to keep the integrity for me and nature. With hopes it will encourage or motivated others too. I think millenniums are more self severing than selfish, just like hippies.

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       hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       "I told my daughter, your right hippies have dropped the ball on alot of beautiful things about the hippy movement."
       
       Yes. I think a lot of hippies went to Wall Street.
       
       "I'll let the world change its. Best thing that I can do,  is change myself to be a better person than before, to keep the integrity for me and nature. With hopes it will encourage or motivated others too."
       
       This is the only way to live for me. Happiness is in the head and the "heart" no matter level of income, and those of us that care about our planet cannot get caught up in the enormity of the problems. 
       
       In my studies into environmentally responsible behavior (ERB), modeling is one of the only effective ways of encouraging ERB. Our family does this on a small scale in our city with our urban garden that uses no pesticides,  no weed killers, only all organic compost for fertilizer, etc. We also re-use and re-purpose things as much as feasibly possible. Since we started our plot, others have followed suit, and our neighborhood is great at trading things, etc. in order to save cash and the landfills.
       
       Telling others to behave a certain way almost never works, at least not without the threat of negative repercussions. This is why the only effective marketing strategies to encourage things such as ERB and discourage things, such as teen smoking, make the desired behavior seem as though it is the rebellious thing to do as it's the opposite of what "they" or "the man" wants you to do. Thus the failure of Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No."

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          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          if they went to Wall Street, they weren't genuine hippies.

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             hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             People change and people fake it. Is there a 100% Hippie stamp issued by those who know what God wants? Take care

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                The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                That's why Jesus the Christ went to the cross, Hard Sun, he was a true hippy.

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                   hard sunposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                   If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:26
                   
                   Manson-like hippie?

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                      The0NatureBoyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                      And you know that!!!

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       not just like hippies.
         where are the songs?
         where is the passion?
         where is the consciousness?

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Yes, some laws of nature were broken in these experiments. One law of nature in humans is this: barnyard sex just doesn't work. Why? Because the sex center and the love center in the brain are situated very close together. This physical arrangement produces love, (and consequential jealousy,) and helps couples stay together for the duration of rising their offspring ... and hopefully, beyond.
    
    Moral laws such as no murder, no theft, idolatry of false gods, etc. make for peaceful people and a happy society. If we try to live by our own made up world, based on mere imagination, we can mess up (understatement) our lives. Laws are laws and should not be broken. This applies to physical laws and moral laws.
    
    That families can only be happy separated from one another is an example of a moral law. One man and one woman and their offspring, not multiple wives (Adultery.) Multiplies wives' and all their children would produce a hellish predicament which would include jealousy, confusion and bickering (or worse) for all involved.
    
    We cannot escape the consequences of breaking physical laws either. By taking hallucinogenics, such as LSD, forgetting or ignoring that it will affect our brain functioning abilities, (either temporarily or permanently,) we might casually lie down on a highway for a trippy star gazing experience, only to be flattened by a car.
    
    Thank you, James A Watkins for surviving those (crazy) days and living to share them with us. I wonder how many did not survive. How many thought they could look into the sun for hours or "fly" out of a window as Art Linkletter's daughter did. After all, both physical laws and moral laws were being broken by hippies attempting to live their utopian dream.

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       Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Here is where many boomer hippies went
       
       Yuppies in the sky
       
       As I went out one evenin' down Columbus Avenue
       All the sushi bars were shuttered, dark cantinas too
       And I stood there in the darkness,as an empty cab rolled by
       Then all at once I heard the sound of yuppies in the sky
       
       Then the herd came down Columbus, for as far as I could see
       All the men were wearing Polo, and the women wore Esprit
       Each yuppie had a walk-man and as each one passed me by
       I saw their sad expressions and I heard their mournful cry
       
       Chorus:
       Condos for sale, condos to buy, yuppies in the sky
       
       Each one was wearing running shoes upon the ghostly deck
       And each one had a cotton sweater wrapped around the neck
       They all held out their credit cards and tried in vain to buy
       But not a store was open to the yuppies in the sky
       
       (Chorus)
       (The yuppie-i-o)
       I've seen them in commercials sailin' boats and playin' ball
       Pourin' beer for one another cryin', "Why not have it all?"
       Now I saw the ghostly progress as the winds around me blew
       Till I, I felt the urge to purchase a BMW
       
       (Chorus)
       All the salad bars were empty, all the Quiche Lorraine was gone
       I heard the yuppies cryingAll the salad bars were empty, all the Quiche Lorraine was gone
       I heard the yuppies crying as they vanished in the dawn
       Calling brand names to each other, as they faded from my view
       
       They'll be networking forever down Columbus Avenue
       (Move those mini-vans out!)

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    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

    Mark my word. When all legalized cannabis laws happen in all the US States.
    Hippies have overcome, and then guns will become flower vases.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       I liked the movie, I Think We're Alone Now. Check it out! (I think you would appreciate it, CP.)
       
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPrnb_BYsdA

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          Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That falls short of what I would envision.

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             Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             The ending was a surprise one.

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                Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Only can watch Apocalypse movies if they are done in a comedy way, or it's unnecessary depressing.
                
                Why not tell me the end, and how the meek hippies inherent the earth.

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                   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                   Fine.
                   
                   The ending involves a couple who is forcing/allowing (?) everyone (in the Palm Springs area,) to undergo brain surgery, which takes away all unhappy thoughts - a process which apparently requires several surgical operations.
                   
                   Elle Fanning plays Grace along with Peter Dinklage who is Del. Del is the only person left after some sort of widespread illness wipes out the entire population of Northern California. Apparently, Grace escapes the doctors (her parents?) and drives north. She literally crashes, (her car,) into town where Del lives. He helps her recover from the crash, but then demands that she leave. She has other plans.
                   
                   Del is systematically burying bodies to get rid of the stench all around him. Grace offers to help (and beguile) this dwarf who is very jaded from being apparently mistreated all his life. It takes him a while to warm up to her because he likes the freedom of being utterly alone, (as he believes he is the only person who has survived.) Nevertheless, he allows her to stay, begrudgingly, at first. Grace is so desperately alone in her suffering, (whatever it is) that she actually falls for this little guy. In the end, does he fall for her? (... well, it is Hollywood, after all, and yes, he does rescue her after she was abducted back to So Cal by the people who want to continue/finish erasing all her unhappy memories.)
                    
                   So, yes, the doctor and his wife show up in No Cal and discover Grace living with Dawson. (I'm not sure if she had called them or what.) They retrieve her and bring her back to So Cal. At some point before they leave, (with Elle sobbing in the car,) the doctor had handed Dawson his business card.
                   
                   After Del finds himself alone again, he actually misses Grace. He drives all the way down to So Cal., where, to his surprise, he discovers a whole community of people. He finds Grace and rescues her from the operation table. Elle ends up shooting the doctor dead.
                   
                   As the ending shows, the people of Palm Springs know nothing but the glorious life of pure happiness. They are unaware of any unhappy thoughts/perceptions. The people in the community are are seen walking their dogs, jogging, watering their yards, etc. smiling and obviously enjoying their pointless existences.
                   
                   As Grace and Del drive away together, she says she is sorry for killing the Doctor, (who might also be her father.)
                   He asks, "Are you really?"
                   ... and she answers, "No."

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Scene where Grace kills the doctor:
    Doctor: (Patrick)" Okay, uh... all of the negative feelings... that everybody has, they just... wipe 'em off the spectrum entirely. Yeah. All the... grief and sadness. And, uh... anger, despair, guilt. These people shouldn't have to live with that shit, right? It's not fair. Right? So we're doing something about it. You keep your town nice and clean. It's great. And we do that with our people. They don't have to remember what happened before. They don't have to live in the past. There's no before.There's only from now on.Isn't that beautiful? To not have to remember anything?
    [GUNSHOT... PATRICK HITS THE GROUND]"

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       Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       I can't relate much, because I married a midget and was horrified.  As far as survival of an Apocalypse event, romance would be the last thing on my to do list. The worst thing I could do, is kill someone. A very nice doctor who wants to erase your unhappy thoughts, stupid concept anyway, glad I didn't watch the movie.
       
       Best thing was to go to a cannabis store break in and choose a Marrijanna strain to greatly lower your post traumatic stressed systems and stay away from negative people. Also grow microgreens fast for nutritional balance. Stay away from disease and war zones, the country side is better and people are not as insane.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    I would rather know what is real and what isn't in this life.
    Its so easy to delude yourself.

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       Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, the source of most problems is within our own brains. To have a doctor do surgery on your brain for the unhappy bits, would surely unbalance your brain.
       Chemo and radiation is a great way to mess peoples lives up too, in which they used in the second world war.
       
       Where as cannabis has a phenomenally way of normalizing the brain and body and makes things more fun and help to forget the horrible bits. It may not work for everyone. Yet its the best medicine known to man and the most diverse production material to rebuild a new world from an Apocalypse event. Then onward with cannabis, you will have great sleep, be hungry and finally make sex better for the beautiful bond in your romance.

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          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You forget there are side effects. The side effects are not pleasant. I don't actually believe you take THC. Or you wouldn't be advocating it.

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             Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

             No harmful effects or death side effects from cannabis. My girlfriend takes it for cancer and I take it for treatment of my heart disease. Between cancer and heart diseases that makes up the total death toll of 63% of the people on the earth. That is your scientific reality Apocalypse happening right now!!!

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