A new twist to the immigration issue...

Jump to Last Post 1-4 of 4 discussions (53 posts)
  1. jackclee lm profile image84
    jackclee lmposted 13 months ago

    I came across this story today. It is about a US citizen deciding to immigrate to Mexico permanently...her story is here -

    1. jackclee lm profile image84
      jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this
    2. Ken Burgess profile image91
      Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Its funny, 5-10 years ago, before we made our move out of NY, it seemed every other discussion I had with people 40 & above was about moving out of NY, they were waiting for their kids to finish school, or until retirement came... but taxes and other costs were pushing them to get out.

      Now, we are doing much better in FL than we could have ever managed in NY, what we are saving yearly in taxes alone (Income tax, property and school tax) is twenty thousand a year.  That the weather is far better is an added perk.

      But conversations now between myself and other 45 -to- 65 year old men revolves increasingly on what country we will be moving to, when and how.

      We are all at various stages in our lives, some of us still have kids at home, some are divorced and the kids are grown and living on their own, but the financial benefits of moving out of the country, combined with wanting to get away from what America is becoming... 'No Country for Old Men' ... well these conversations and plans are just as serious as those when I was talking to so many others about moving out of NY.  Some are already in the process of making the move, though the logistics of it require more time and effort than moving from one state to another.

      The benefits for 'old men' to leave this country far outweigh the benefits of staying.  For those experienced in traveling to other countries, you probably know this all too well.

      1. jackclee lm profile image84
        jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I have just the opposite view. I am also retired and living in NY suburb. I do pay high property taxes and looking to downsize. I have bought a coop in Westchester which is much lower in taxes and fees.
        My kids are in the NYC area and one daughter in Southern California.
        I love this country and what it has provided for me and my family.
        I travel extensively for work and now I travel for pleasure all over the world. I have yet to find a country better than what we have here...in terms of freedom, liberty, living standards, convenience, and mobility of getting around...
        We also have very generous services provided by our towns, city and state...
        Our mail gets delivered, Amazon make sure our packages arrive within 2 days...our computer network is working and getting faster all the time. We don’t have censorship like they do in Communist China. You know google and youtube is blocked in China?
        The one down side I see in our country today is the biased media. They spew lies and fake news all day long and drive a wedge between our two parties system. They create tension among groups and balkanize our country by race, gender, religion and political affiliation.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image91
          Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Well I'll give you China, and certainly there are other countries that are worse off... like most of Africa.

          It depends on what you want in your life.  How you want to live it, and your finances/income.  100k won't get you anywhere in NY, but you can live like a king in other parts of the world with 100k.

          Having spent a considerable amount of time elsewhere, I love being free from American politics and obsession with material wealth and social media, most nations I would move to have internet as good if not better than what we have, not that it is needed for a good life. Technology in general doesn't make for a better life.

          Socializing with others is far more relaxed and open in many places, and the people are far more interacting and not caught up in the 'rat race' like almost all Americans are.

          It depends on perspective... if you are coming from China, then America may be a dream come true, but if you are an American 50 years or older, this country is becoming unrecognizable and far less free than the America you remember from the 70s and 80s.

          As I said... 'No Country for Old Men' and many that I talk to recognize this.

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            "It depends on perspective... if you are coming from China, then America may be a dream come true, but if you are an American 50 years or older, this country is becoming unrecognizable and far less free than the America you remember from the 70s and 80s."

            I meet the demographic description. Again, that depends on your point of view.

  2. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Erm, new? You do know there are millions of US citizens living abroad, right? In Mexico alone there are more than a million.

    *Btw, that's an interesting article.

  3. jackclee lm profile image84
    jackclee lmposted 13 months ago

    This story has several elements...
    1. Is Mexico really that cheap and desirable?
    2. If so, why not encourage more retiree to move there? A social security income would be more than the $1000 per month needed.
    3. Why not make this an official exchange program? For every US citizen willing to relocate to Mexico, we can exchange for a Mexican will to come here to work, and he would be given legal status.
    4. Let’s adopt the same immigration policy Mexico uses for their system. Any system is better than what we have today with the INS.
    5. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence...

    I am curious, if it was only a cost issue, why not find a place in the southern US like Florida or Louisiana where cost of living is very low, climate is warm, and they speak English, and poverty is less...?

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Jack, I know many people who have moved to Costa Rica.  I've been there and it is very nice.  But, it also has some very dangerous areas.  A few have moved back.

      1. jackclee lm profile image84
        jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I was wondering the same thing. The crime and legal system must not be very friendly to outsiders.

    2. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      It is not for me, there are safety and amenities concerns that I miss from the USA, as I lived in Panama for 5 months.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image91
        Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Panama is not close to the safest of harbors to sail to.

        Panama in fact may have some of the serious issues it does because of its long term association with America, and how it was an unofficial colony for many years when the Panama Canal was a more prominent part of international trade routes.

        There are so many places one can go to, where America hasn't woven itself into the country's history, politics, and society... Panama is not such a place.

        1. jackclee lm profile image84
          jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Name One other country that is equal or better than America...in terms of living standard and freedom and prosperity convenience and mobility...
          If you find one, let me know.
          I don’t think you can.
          Despite all our problems and political differences, we are much better off than other nations. There are some democracies where the parties throw punches in the congress hall to win an argument.
          Thank God that has not happened here.
          If we continue to vote the likes of AOC or the squad, this may happen down the road...

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Share with us, Ken, examples that would be good options for the expat?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image91
            Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            To each their own Credence, here are countries I would consider to live in for a variety of reasons if money and responsibilities were not an issue:

            Switzerland
            Norway
            Austria
            Iceland
            The Netherlands
            Chile
            Peru
            Philippines (certain islands)
            Slovenia
            Slovakia
            Poland
            Latvia
            Lithuania
            Estonia
            New Caledonia
            Fiji

            To be honest, I would probably spend the rest of my life traveling these nations, never returning to America if that were to ever become economically feasible.

            The last thing I plan on doing is wasting my latter years sitting around in America being exposed to the endless foolishness that now consumes it.  Too many places to see, mysteries to explore and different cultures to sample.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              What a romantic you are, Ken. Are you sure you're a Trump fan?

              1. crankalicious profile image95
                crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I was thinking the same thing, Randy. So eloquent and understandable. Seems like there's preference for the rural over the urban?

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Do you also see that preference typically being a Blue or Red indication?

                  GA

                  1. crankalicious profile image95
                    crankaliciousposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Cities are generally blue. Rural is generally red.

            2. jackclee lm profile image84
              jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I agree with you up to a point. Traveling and exploring the world is what we all hope for in our retirement.
              That is the bucket list...
              However, there is no country I would rather be than here in the USA.
              With all the problems and strife we are dealing with, there are small compared to what is going on in some of the rest of the world like Hong Kong right now, or London and Paris and Berlin and Jerusalem...
              We Americans have a myopic view.
              The grass seems always greener on the other side of the fence.

              1. jackclee lm profile image84
                jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                If tomorrow, you can wave a magic wand, and eliminate all immigration laws of every nation...guess where most of the people in this world would be or want to be and want to move or live and work...?

                This is not a trick question. Given the exact same conditions, same government, same economy, same natural resources, same everything just as they exist today, with the ine exception of no more immigration restrictions.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image91
                Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Indeed, and none of those places of strife you mention are on my list.  I've been on the other side of the fence, to more than one of those countries on my list... I have no doubts about the grass at all.

                Small countries/islands with populations not caught up in the rat race, where even their 'big cities' are slow paced compared to even a small American one. 

                You've heard of 'fly over states'... well, I like 'fly over nations or islands'.

                I'm not interested in Hong Kong, London, Paris, Berlin, etc.  never have been, and never will be.  Same can be said for NY, CA, Chicago, etc.

                1. jackclee lm profile image84
                  jackclee lmposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Then you are missing a whole new world. I live in the suburb of NYC. I go there once a week by car. I have half an acre of grass and flower and trees and vegetables...in the summer.
                  It is really a slice of heaven...
                  In NYC, I get to see and do things that are not available most parts of the world. It is the commerce capital of the world. Entertainment...and culture and museums...
                  There are a flavor of almost all parts of the world in terms of cuisine...talk about diversity...
                  Believe it or not, New Yorkers are some of the best people in the world.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image91
                    Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I lived in NY for ten years, Westchester County and Dutchess County, I spent more time in NYC than I wanted, there is nothing in NYC that I can't find elsewhere, better, cheaper, and more enjoyable.

            3. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Ken, most of the countries that you list have a significant socialist element as part of their societies relative to the United States. What would be a main theme of the nations that you selected as to why they would attract you?

  4. profile image0
    Onusonusposted 13 months ago

    Those racist Republicans decided to send 4.6 billion dollars in relief efforts to the southern border. Not a single Democrat presidential hopeful cared.

    Sounds like a waste of tax payer money to me.

    https://freebeacon.com/politics/all-202 … KlIvPr4G0c

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-free-beacon/


      So strange for a self proclaimed independent voter like you to post a far right website link...Not!

 
working

This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://maven.io/company/pages/privacy

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
ClickscoThis is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy)