Will Impeachment Lead to Removal?

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   Valeantposted 4 years ago

   
   The Democrats in the House are beginning official impeachment proceedings.  What is the likelihood that the charges leveled against Trump are serious enough to lead to his removal?

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      Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      None.
      
      But chances are good that it will rally voters into re-electing him.
      
      Its a NATIONAL race, and while most of the West Coast and North East will be going Democrat no matter what, the rest of the country, places like Ohio and Florida especially, see voters motivated to vote against this type of blatant idiocy.
      
      They give you polls that say something like 50% of the country wants to see Impeachment... well subtract CA and NY from that and its more like 30% of the country wants to see it, at best.
      
      Once again, the polls, progressives and the D.C. hacks don't seem to get it.

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         promisemposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Sure, it will rally the white nationalists. But not everyone is a white nationalist.

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            Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            If you aren't part of the progressive socialist democrats... you are a white nationalist.  Is that it?
            
            Yes, most of America has figured out how this labeling works now, took a while for many of them, but even the slow to come around are finally taking notice.
            
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rAevfTS_I

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      Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Theoutcomeof this will be that Joe Biden will not get the nomination, the democrats will end up with egg on their face. Trump may be impeached by a completely out of control House but the Senate will not go along with the insanity.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I think this many need to cancel the impeachment parties, put away the balloons, and noisemakers. Not sure why more are not realizing the Senate will not vote to impeach Trump. They do not care what he said to any foreign leader they care about keeping the White House.  Power is the name of the game on both sides.

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   hard sunposted 4 years ago

   I agree with Ken Burgess here on the chances, whether the accusations turn out to be serious enough or not. My feeling is Midwestern voters, even those that are not strong Trump supporters, are just tired of all the controversy and don't know what to think anymore. There will just not be enough political will for the Republicans to go along with this...especially with only about 14 months to 2020 general elections.
   
   Of course, I could be wrong, and then we would be looking at Pence winning in 2020. Democrats will have to beat Trump in an election if they expect to get the White House anytime soon.

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   wildernessposted 4 years ago

   I'm with Ken here - not a chance it will pass the Senate.
   
   But far more interesting will be how many of the House will toe the party line and follow party wishes in voting for impeachment.  Will party politics again overcome truth?  We'll see.

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      Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      So no matter how much criminality by Trump is exposed by the proceedings, the cons on the senate will look the other way? Yep, sounds about right...

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         It's nice, Randy, that you assume criminality without ever seeing any evidence.  (Remember, we all KNOW that President Trump colluded with Russia to fix the election!).
         
         But the rest of us choose to wait for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  At this point we have an unknown source who made a claim without accompanying support, and that's all.  But it is proof positive of criminal actions, just as we had sources claiming collusion and that, too, was proof positive...until years of investigation found nothing at all.

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            Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            When it's been proven that Manafort gave the Kremlin internal polling data pertaining to battleground states, that is pretty strong evidence of collusion.  What could not be proven, was the actual crime of conspiracy. 
            
            Trump, aka Individual-1 as named as a co-conspirator in a felony conviction, clearly broke multiple laws to get elected.  The only reason he has not been charged is the office he holds.  There is plenty of evidence of this co-conspiracy, including the audio tape of him telling Cohen to pay McDougal with cash.  And yet, you come on here and claim there isn't evidence.  Just flat out lies.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               "clearly broke multiple laws".  Right.  This has been proven in a court of his peers.
               
               No, this is what is claimed but never proven.  An action you don't seem to understand, choosing instead to accept unproven claims as absolute truth, just as the claims of collusion were accepted as truth.
               
               Personally, I'm sick and tired of hearing claims of malfeasance that are never proven.  When he is impeached by the House, including a majority of Republicans, I'll believe it (Democrats voting the party line won't count).  Until then it will be questioned, in my mind if not yours.

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                  Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  The president of the United States does not get a court date.  He is shielded by his position.  So you claiming that things need to be proven there, prior to his impeachment is idiocy.  First, you flat out lie to us that there isn't evidence, when it clearly exists, and now you try to argue a truth based upon something that does not currently apply to the president while he is in office.
                  
                  And I'm sorry that Trump's own words authorizing the illegal payoff that sent Cohen to prison does not amount to proof in your eyes.  Some of us can accept that kind of confession as evidence and guilt.  Why you cannot is being logic.

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                     wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     And YOU seem to believe that if it cannot be taken to court is has to be true and proven with nothing but claims and circumstantial evidence.
                     
                     When you go on about making a quite legal payment (I assume you mean the "hush money" in a legal contract) being illegal it doesn't help your case.  Now if you could prove, beyond a reasonable doubt (without the automatic assumption of guilt), that Trump told him to make it out of campaign funds, it might be different.  Of course, that also assumes that your statement that Trump admitted to authorizing that would have to be revisited as well...

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                        Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I do love when Trump people try and claim it was a legal payment.  If it was so legal, why did Cohen get convicted of it?  Explain that one away.  He already admitted it was a payment to influence the election that he was directed to make by Trump.  And there's the audio of Trump ordering it backing up Cohen. 
                        
                        And it's even worse than that, he took the money out of his foundation, and claimed it was for legal fees and not the hush money payment.  He's on the hook for fraud and wire fraud also when he leaves office.
                        
                        You're an unabashed Trump apologist, regardless of the enormity of evidence in this case.  It's not even worth it to debate because nothing presented will change your biased views.  Let's move on.

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                           wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Are you confusing Cohens actions with those of the President?  Sounds like it...
                           
                           Yes, I know you think he is guilty of claiming it was for legal fees thing.  All you have to do now is prove it.  Now, as it is now that you are making the claim.
                           
                           I understand that you think anyone not bashing Trump is as guilty as he is, but that's because you demand that everyone jump on the bandwagon with you.  Some of us prefer to wait until we KNOW of his supposed guilt, not just jump because of claims.
                           
                           Should you ever decide to wait for proof before making judgement calls you will find yourself with the same problem: fail to bash the President and it automatically means you support him.  It's not a matter of support the president; it's a matter of supporting our justice system (such as it is), but the Trump haters will never accept that for it fails to make assumptions without proof.

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                              Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              I have Cohen's testimony and the audio tape of Trump ordering the illegal payments, as well as the checks that reimburse Cohen.  There's a preponderance of proof.  When someone is hired to commit a murder, and there is proof of that, just like there is in this case, that person is also guilty.  Cohen was found guilty and Trump has been tied to ordering that crime committed in multiple ways - testimony, audio, and in the payments.  But like I said, you will never recognize that mountain of evidence that is a clear sign of his guilt. 
                              
                              It's like he said, he could shoot someone on 5th ave, and you'd still find a way to say he is innocent.

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                                 Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 And his fans would go right along with it....

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                                 wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Right.  And those tapes are of Trump telling Cohen to take the money from the re-election fund.  You'll excuse me if I don't believe you.
                                 
                                 And then he offered to repay Cohen personally...for money that came from a different source.  Again, you'll excuse me if I don't believe you.

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    Makes no difference where the money came from. It was an attempt to hide facts that would affect the election. Are you ignorant of what a co-conspirator is, Dan?

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                        Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Explain why Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator if he's completely innocent, Dan. This ought to be good if you deign to repond.

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                           wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           If he was not indicted YOU might explain why he is a co-conspirator (or not already impeached).  Because you think he is a criminal?

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            Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Really, did you actually read the Mueller report, Dan? If there was nothing there, then why did Jr. and others lie to the investigators and not furnish documents they had? I do believe the Russian collusion will be looked into again when the witnesses are forced to tell the truth.
            
            But then, you and others from the right don't really care if Trump is a lying POS.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Uh huh.  The report didn't provide what you wanted to hear, so witnesses all lied.  Good answer.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  You're really bad at acting like you didn't see the questions put to you, Dan.
                  
                  Once more, have you read the Mueller Report? Apparently not because Mueller addressed  the lack of cooperation of the aforementioned witnesses.
                  I have a copy if you don't care to read it online.

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   Leland Johnsonposted 4 years ago

   The only hopes the dems have of thwarting the will of the American people is to impeach the President and have him forcibly removed.  None of their candidates can beat him, none of their policies can challenge him, and their results in leadership come nowhere near what he has been able to accomplish in just 3 years.  The dems now represent the epitome of SA bully boy behavior.  They can't beat Trump fair and square, 4 investigations have left them with absolutely nothing, so now they'll try to beat him using the Constituting, misusing rather.  I don't believe it will work.  Nothing else they've tried has, why would this?  You know what it reminds me of- when the Detroit Pistons beat the LA Lakers for the NBA championship in 2004.  Nobody thought the Pistons could do it because LA had Shaq and Kobi (can anybody outside of Michigan name any of the Pistons from that winning team?) but the Pistons knew they would win.  In fact, during that series LA won only a single game- at home!  Just as the Pistons baffled so many sports "experts" and pundits so has Trump baffled the oh so easily baffle-able Left, media included.  They should sit down come the 2020 election results.  They won't have much to be cheering about.

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years ago

   I hated the US government until Trump was elected. He's the single greatest President since George Washington, so far as my mind goes. I can hardly wait to cast my straight Republican ticket in 2020.
   
   God Bless Making America Great Again.

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      Leland Johnsonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I’m with you Wesman.  The difference between Trump and Washington politicians is simple.  Business people want to get things done.  Trump is a business man.  Politicians want to PREVENT things from getting done which is why the only action we ever see from typical politicians is obstructive behavior trying to slow down or over regulate those that actually want to do great things.  Keep America Great!

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