What Democrats Have Taught Me About Losing an Election

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  1. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks ago

    I have been confused as to exactly how to handle a Biden presidency.  I consider him a babbling old fool who got rich selling out the United States and his vice president as a female who is a socialist/communist and had to sleep her way into a career.  My opinion of both is extremely low.

    My opinion is of them is on the same level as the Democrat's opinion of President Donald Trump.

    I do think this is a time to use the lessons the Democrats have taught me about having a president and vice president I don't like.

    1. I will always consider Biden an Illegitimate President.

    Biden's election victory is filled with massive accusations of voter fraud.  The Democrats have taught me it doesn't matter if it's true or not, I will claim Biden was elected based on voter fraud and is an illegitimate president.  I wish I had a fake dossier to use, but I don't.  I plan to say this about him every moment he occupies the white house.

    2. I want an Investigation

    If there is voter fraud on a massive scale, I want it investigated on a federal level.  I don't care how much it costs or how long it takes, I want an investigation.  It is possible China could be behind Biden's election victory.  We won't know until an expensive, long, and drawn-out investigation is conducted.  Democrats really did this well and it has taught me a great lesson on how to handle election results.

    3. I expect an Impeachment

    According to different news sources, an impeachment was planned by some Democrats the day President Donald Trump took office.  I hope the Republican leadership does the same thing.  The Republicans made some significant gains during the recent house election.  There is a very good chance they will take the house in the next election cycle.  It doesn't matter if Biden does anything worth an impeachment or not, he will need to be impeached.  This is what the Democrats handled things.  I think it is now the Republican's turn to do this.  Democrats have taught us how to conduct a hoax impeachment of the president of the United States.

    4. Never let go of his Past

    I will always remind people of the things Biden has said in the past about black people, I will never let anyone forget how his son became wealthy from using his father's influence in foreign countries, and more.  There are many women who claim to have been sexually harassed by Joe Biden.  Let's not forget the videos of him making young girls uncomfortable.  He has many things in his past that are bad.  I want one of these mentioned every time he does anything considered good.  Democrats have really excelled at doing this.

    5. Downplay his Success

    If Joe Biden does anything people think is successful, I will give credit to President Donald Trump.  I plan to say it is he who got a good economy going, it is he who got peace in the world, and more.  I will claim to all that Biden can do nothing except ride on the coattails of the former president.  I like how this approach was perfected by the Democrats.  I will gladly do this during a Biden administration. 

    6. He is a Lying Evil Person

    This is what will be easy to show about Joe Biden.  I will enjoy misquoting him and taking everything he says out of context.  We must tell the world he is a liar and is evil.  I will do this on a daily basis.  The Democrats have taught me it doesn't matter if it is true or not, it is how I see him.  The Democrats have shown me how repeating things enough times will cause people to disregard the truth.

    7. He will do Nothing Right

    I will not acknowledge Biden as doing anything right.  I will only focus on the negatives and ignore anything positive he says or does.  This must be done every minute of every day.  He should be mocked and be the subject of every joke possible.  He will be held responsible for everything including those things outside of his control.  I will feel like a Democrat for doing this and believing I'm right, but I'll say it's because Biden is an illegitimate president.  This is a great lesson the Democrats taught us. 

    A Democrat recently told me it's time for us to come together as a nation.  Where was this idea when President Donald Trump was elected?  Why would they say such a thing after all they've done?  No, I plan to handle a Biden presidency just like the Democrats handled the presidency of Donald J. Trump.  The Democrats have taught me how to handle having a president you don't like, and I plan to put use everything I've learned from them.

    As the Bible says, “What you sow, so shall you reap.”

    Democrats have sown a lot of seeds of bitterness and anger in the past four years, and it is time for them to reap this harvest.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      "A Democrat recently told me it's time for us to come together as a nation.  Where was this idea when President Donald Trump was elected?  Why would they say such a thing after all they've done?  No, I plan to handle a Biden presidency just like the Democrats handled the presidency of Donald J. Trump.  The Democrats have taught me how to handle having a president you don't like, and I plan to put use everything I've learned from them."

      Like you, I think they taught us well...  And I am not giving any passes either. You certainly let loose on Biden and Harris, and all you said rings very true. Between me and you ---- Joe Biden has done pretty much all that the Dems accused Trump of. But the difference between Trump actually did not do a dam thing...     . And what's even funnier, it now appears he is not intending to do anything he claimed he was going to do. He has walked back most of his campaign promises before even being sworn in.

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Biden is Obama multiplied.   Guess who will have the last laugh.   America will go into the toilet under a Biden Presidency.    The "people" who voted for him are bamboozled but they don't know it.   After a Biden presidency, there will be a Republican elected who will be more extreme than any precedent Republican president.   This president will take names & will make Trump seem like a Boy Scout.

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          Marisa Writesposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Of course, Democrats think you are the ones who were bamboozled by Trump.  In fact, most of the rest of the world thinks Republicans were bamboozled by Trump.

          Whoever is in the right, I agree that America is finished as a world power. Americans are so busy tearing into each other, they'll have no time to play a part on the world stage.

          1. Readmikenow profile image98
            Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            "Democrats think you are the ones who were bamboozled by Trump.  In fact, most of the rest of the world thinks Republicans were bamboozled by Trump."

            I don't agree with this at all.

            I've spoken with enough people from other countries who see things different.  The conservatives is other countries seem to see things as the Republicans in the United States. I've spoken with people from India who are extremely supportive of President Donald Trump.

            The United States will be a world power for many years.  No other nation has the economic power of the United States.  China's economy depends quite a bit on the United States...as does the rest of the world's economy.

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              Marisa Writesposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              I daresay you are making contact with people in other countries who exist in the same political bubble as yourself. This is the problem with today's society, that everyone is able to shut themselves in a silo and be unaware of the other side of the coin.

              Of course there will always be a variety of opinions among ordinary people. However if you look at the overall picture, most foreigners, and especially other world leaders, are astonished that America could possibly have appointed someone like Trump as President. He's a laughing stock.

              1. Readmikenow profile image98
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                "I daresay you are making contact with people in other countries who exist in the same political bubble as yourself."

                I believe it is fair to say the same could be said of you.

                Since President Donald Trump renegotiated major treaties around the world to make them fair for the United States and forced NATO to pay their agreed upon percentage of their GDP to the organization, moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, killed high-ranking terrorists and more, no world leader worth anything is laughing at President Donald Trump.  The smart ones take him very serious.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                "most foreigners, and especially other world leaders, are astonished that America could possibly have appointed someone like Trump as President. He's a laughing stock."

                I must ask how you could know what "world leaders", and"foreigners are thinking in regard to President Trump? It seems you may be presuming without real evidence. 

                I am not sure with Trump's many accomplishments any world leader at this point has done half as much. So, it might be unrealistic to assume what any of them would be thinking. And as an American, I am proud of Trump's accomplishments.

          2. Stevennix2001 profile image90
            Stevennix2001posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            As long as the USA has arguably the strongest military in the world, our status as a superpower will never go away.    However I do hope that regardless of who's president in 2021, whether it's Trump or Biden.... although I think it's likely to be Biden at this point unless Trump pulls a miracle out of his ass..but still.  Anyways I do hope regardless of who's president that they start taking steps in trying to stop the USA from being a big brother and watching over the world.  It never should have been our job to police the world to begin with.  We have so many internal problems that I feel it would be wise for America to focus on domestic problems rather than foreign at this point.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              We can also become a "legend in our own minds" as well. As in the 21st century, the term Superpower will imply more than just military might. The acknowledgement of that by others is more important than our confessing it to ourselves.

              I would like to see a ratching down of Military adventurism abroad and the elimination of supplying international tyrants and brutes with armaments from our factories.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Many presidents have been of the thought that to supply armament the other countries so that they were able to protect their countries and relive the need to aid them with military assistance. One such president is Trump. He has depleted our military around the world and has sold weaponry to countries using the strategy. On the other hand, we have had other presidents that just sold weapons without a true strategy. Just looking to make cash. Not really thinking of the consequences.

                1. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps we shouldn't getting involved in conflicts with either armaments of troops? What are we involved in regarding Saudi Arabia and South Yemen? I can only see Trump as just another arms peddler.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Yes, Trump sold many weapons, I could write a book. He used strategy and good common sense when making deals.  And I too don't like being in wars. Dem's are famous for loving a good war. Trump was a peacemaker. It well looks as if  Saudi Arabia was very much interested in becoming part of Trump's Middle East peace accord. Although they have decided to hold off until Biden takes office. Just not knowing his policies they have decided to hold off on signing the agreement.
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                    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide … SKBN28A2VC

          3. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 5 days agoin reply to this

            Not true. America's might is recognized world-wide.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes, Bidden will be nothing but a figurehead. His history shows him to be a blend into the woodwork kind of fellow.  But, he is an old school politician, he told his party as well as his supporters what they wanted to hear. Actually, the two scenarios were very opposite. Did you ever think American's would vote for a candidate that did not campagn?  And one thing that I gleaned from doing a lot of research on Joe, he is dishonest, a racist, and powerful hungrey.  Sound like the portrait the Dems painted of Trump. Go figure.

          1. gmwilliams profile image86
            gmwilliamsposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            There will be a civil war between conservatives & liberals.  The chasm is widening.   Conservatives see their country as regressing as a result of the increasing liberalization of policies.   They see Biden & Democrats leading their country to ruin.   Liberals are happy that finally they will be listened to & their ideas will materialize into reality.   When Biden is finished his presidential stint, there will be an election of a more extreme Republican president who will clean up the mess that Biden has created.  This Republican president will take no prisoners & will institute a law & order policy.   People will become sick of the democrat fiasco & elect such a president who will put things in order.

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              Marisa Writesposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              I think you are right. The US will become a Fascist state.

              1. Readmikenow profile image98
                Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Fascist state...do you really know what such a thing means?

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                  Marisa Writesposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Yes, of course.  Trump supporters make it obvious they want a strong leader who doesn't have to bother with petty annoyances like Congress to get in the way of his agenda. He also believes courts should do his bidding regardless of what the law says.

                  That is a dictatorship and as the Republicans are on the right of politics, it's a fascist one rather than a communist one.  But both are dictators.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image98
                    Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "a strong leader who doesn't have to bother with petty annoyances like Congress to get in the way of his agenda. He also believes courts should do his bidding regardless of what the law says."

                    If you were to be honest, you would know that statement applies more to former president obama than it does President Donald Trump.

                    Obama bypassed congress to sign onto treaties like the one with Iran.  That is CLEARLY against the constitution.  Congress has the right to approve treaties, they are not to be done by executive order.  This is just one of many situations where obama ignored the role of Congress.

                    I visited my relatives in Eastern Europe when I was young.  It was under Soviet control.  Trust me, you have no idea what it is like to live under a fascist/communist government.  I could tell you many stories.  The United States in not even close to a fascist or communist dictatorship.  The governments of Australia and the UK control their citizens far more than the government in the United States.

            2. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Grace, do you really think Liberals will be happy? Look at pre.-elect Biden's proposed cabinet picks; where are the AOCs Warrens and Sanders?  What about AOC's squad push-back against his selections?

              Biden, from what I have seen so far, if anything, is pursuing a 'middle of the road' agenda. So I disagree that the "Liberals" are happy.

              Your forecast of the next election may or may not be true, but I think your thoughts about Biden making the Liberals happy is a bit premature. As things stand now, based on his proposed cabinet assignments, I think Biden has made a clear statement that the extremism of AOC and Sanders are not the prime motivators of his presidential agenda.

              I am happy with what his proposed selections say about his planned path forward.

              GA

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                Let me now make an distinction, there is a difference between liberal and progressive.
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                I often get asked what the difference between a “liberal” and a “progressive” is. The questions from the media on this subject are always something like, “Isn’t ‘progressive’ just another name for ‘liberal’ that people want to use because ‘liberal’ has become a bad word?”

                The answer, in my opinion, is no - there is a fundamental difference when it comes to core economic issues. It seems to me that traditional “liberals” in our current parlance are those who focus on using taxpayer money to help better society. A “progressive” are those who focus on using government power to make large institutions play by a set of rules.

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                Liberals may well be satiated with Biden's appointments much as what passed for center-left during Obama's administration. But, I am a progressive and would have more problems with Biden's appointments than liberals would.

                In other words, Liberals in the pre-Trump sense would be "happy", but as a progressive, I would be harder to please. Classic liberals would say that I push too hard toward the left.

                There are more progressives that are liberal than liberals that are progressive. And there is a correlation between both and support of the Democratic Party, for now.

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Oops. "Classic Liberals." I think you meant to say "liberals" as c=urrently understood because by definition I am a "Classic Liberal", and I am certainly not a Liberal by current understanding.

                  As for your "progressives" thought, I think you are splitting hairs. The push to the Left is a broad brush. Whether it be a Progressive's strides to a more equitable society or a Liberal's push to a more homogenous society, the end result is almost the same.

                  GA

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Why would liberals push toward a more homogenous society?

                    Yes, I should clarify 'liberal' in terms of today's understanding as part and parcel of the lexicon of American politics.

                    There was a big difference between Sanders and Warren and the other Democratic candidates, that was made clear at the outset. Sanders and Warren were true progressives and the others may be defined as "liberals" in various stripes. That is more like splitting industrial grade cable, rather than hair.

            3. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
              Kathryn L Hillposted 5 days agoin reply to this

              ... hopefully not a Mussolini type, though. And that could certainly happen.

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            The comments in this thread are astounding for their hypocrisy. Everything that was railed against as 'Trump-bashing' has now become okay as Biden-bashing.

            I have been away for a few days, but I now find enough fodder for nightly participation. Come on folks, look in the mirror. If you see what I see from these comments, you should be ashamed.

            GA

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              OK...  My comment is me being blunt. You have lived this man's history if you were paying attention my comment in no respect should shock you. I formed my opinion through some reading and my memory of Biden's time as a Senator. Nothing I stated is off the mark, unfortunately. Biden did blend in as a Senator, he is a politician and has been for 30 some years, he has been very dishonest throughout his history. And in my opinion, he has made many blatant racist statements. Not dog whistle out and out unmistakable racist statements.

              This is not bashing, this is my true opinion of Biden. I called him no derogatory names, I not twisted his words out of context, I gave no opinion on his appearance. In fact, I was polite enough not to go into detail about how I came to my opinion.  Other than mentioning my research.

              It would appear you feel that Biden should be treated differently than other presidents in regards to sharing our opinions. He gets that treatment from the media.

              I not going to pretend I know where you are coming from. There is bashing, and then there is discussing faults. Please, elaborate on why you found my comment bashing. Where did I cross that line?

              I felt Mike meant his statement to be sarcastic, yet in essence, it rang very true.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                To address your last point first;

                "I felt Mike meant his statement to be sarcastic..."

                I am hoping that too. That is why I ended by commenting that I may have misunderstood his comment. But, I am still not sure it was sarcasm.

                Relative to your comments, I will give you the honest answer you deserve. I do not recall instances and do not have the impression of Biden's dishonesty. You may have researched stuff that gives you that impression, but it is not one I have.

                Admittedly I have not researched his history, but the worst I can recall is his speech plagiarism charge.

                That is the only part of your comment that I will address as disagreement. The rest is yours to own, and I don't have a problem with that. My problem is with the tone of your comment, and most others in this thread, that are just mirror images of what we have endured—directed at Pres. Trump—these last four years.

                As for the difference between bashing and discussing faults, I certainly am not advocating that Biden be given a free pass on anything. Call out his faults all you want, just be relevant in your accusations. For instance, what are the details of your claims of dishonesty?

                The past four years of Trump criticisms did not do that. As Wilderness likes to say, it was always "Orange man bad," regardless of the issue. I am hopeful we won't do the same with Pres. Biden. It will reflect as badly on us as it did on the ones that did it to Pres. Trump.

                GA

        3. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          "The "people" who voted for him are bamboozled but they don't know it.   "

          Hmm . . .where have I heard that before? Geesh.

          GA

        4. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
          Kathryn L Hillposted 5 days agoin reply to this

          Yikes.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 5 days agoin reply to this

            Are you so anxious to embrace fascism and tyranny?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
              Kathryn L Hillposted 5 days agoin reply to this

              not at all.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
                Kathryn L Hillposted 5 days agoin reply to this

                all this could lead there anyway.
                ... planned?

                wouldn't it be funny if/when we all realize we have a common enemy?

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Well damn, looks like another partisan replay of Pres. Trump's first term.

        Is that really how you feel Sharlee?

        GA

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          You know what I am going to take it as it comes. I am a bit over "let's all just be friends now"...  It's been a hard crazy four years.   I stated the truth, I have done my research on Biden and Harris. I do agree with Mike in regard to the Dems setting a precedent on how to not respect a dually elected president.  These past four years have been hell.

          My feelings in regard to Biden is that he is a politician of the worst kind. He brings nothing to the table. How would you have me feel? I am a realist, I look at his history, I watched him win the presidency without campaigning.   

          With all that said, I hope he skates easily through his presidency. I am along for the ride, as are you. Let's hope it's smooth, and when his time is over he leaves the country a better place or at least how he found it.

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            "With all that said, I hope he skates easily through his presidency. I am along for the ride, as are you. Let's hope it's smooth, and when his time is over he leaves the country a better place or at least how he found it."

            I certainly agree with this thought. We are all "along for the ride." I am hopeful that Republicans and Conservatives handle themselves better than the Democrats did during the Trump presidency. If not, then there will never be an end to this madness.

            Somebody has to stand-up and say "I am better than this. My country is better than this."

            GA

    2. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      "I consider him a babbling old fool who got rich selling out the United States"

      and . . .

      " .. . his vice president as a female who is a socialist/communist and had to sleep her way into a career. .. "

      'Oh hell' Mike. You certainly set the tone of your comment with those statements. I must admit that president-elect Biden has provided a lot of fuel for that fire, but . . .

      The rest of your comment is so outrageous that I don't know where to start.

      Why would you consider pres-elect Biden an illegitimate president? He did win both the popular and electoral vote majority. Are you viewing your opinion as 'the'  true truth?

      So, you want an investigation? Are the court rulings not sufficient for you? That those proffered Trump legal challenges have been found to have no legitimacy to the courts is not sufficient for you? Are you now an arbiter with legal qualifications above the courts' expertise?


      I would go on, but the rest of your comment is just baloney. Attempted rationalizations for why you don't support Biden's election. Would you consider how your comments sound as a mirror image of your frequently declaimed Left's' bashes against Pres. Trump?

      Or . . . have I completely misread your comment as sarcasm? I hope that is the case because otherwise, you are full of stuff. If I didn't misread the message of your comment then it has to rate right up there at the top of partisan baloney rants.

      GA

      1. Readmikenow profile image98
        Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        "Why would you consider pres-elect Biden an illegitimate president? He did win both the popular and electoral vote majority. Are you viewing your opinion as 'the'  true truth?"

        The Democrats have taught me that truth and facts mean nothing.  I will always hold that Biden was elected based on voter fraud.  The Democrats have taught me it doesn't matter if it's true or not...its the perception that matters.  I will always consider Biden an illegitimate president who got elected based on voter fraud.

        "Would you consider how your comments sound as a mirror image of your frequently declaimed Left's' bashes against Pres. Trump?"

        Exactly.  The Democrats have spent four years teaching us how to handle an election you don't like or agree with...and I think we should follow their example.

        I've always been a good student and the Democrats have spent the past four years providing me with some good lessons.

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          My response was a 'my bad' Mike. I took your comment seriously. I didn't make that mistake with the other responses you have made in this thread.

          GA

    3. peterstreep profile image82
      peterstreepposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      And so you scold upon Harris accusing her without evidence that she slept her way to the top....And have no problem with a president sleeping with a hooker and loves to boast about  “grabbing them by the pu***...

      1. Readmikenow profile image98
        Readmikenowposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        No evidence?  There is PLENTY of evidence. 


        You need to research Willie Brown.  K. Harris dated a married man 30 years her senior for over 10 years. 

        He appointed her to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the Medical Assistance Commission — positions that together paid her around $80,000 a year on top of her prosecutor’s salary.

        Brown who later became the Mayor of San Francisco,  last year claimed that while dating Harris,  he gave her powerful and influential appointments that furthered her political career. 


        Willie Brown said, “Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.  And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. "


        Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/willie_brown_admits_it_kamala_harris_slept_her_way_to_the_top.html#ixzz6fqrAQT5E

        I don't care what Donald Trump did before he was in politics.  He was a private citizen.  Sleeping with hookers is an unfounded allegation.  The other stuff...he was a private citizen.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        There is lots of evidence in regards to Harris and her prior lifestyle. And in regards to Trump's exploits. No one is denying them. Just pointing out the new person in the White House's exploits. We have the same right as those that point the finger at Trump, to divert the finger in Harris's direction. 

        All the goodwill that the left is requesting is ridiculously hypocritical.  Laughable. Never will become accustomed to such flawed thought patterns. Oh well...

    4. TheShadowSpecter profile image86
      TheShadowSpecterposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      A lot of moderate Independents like myself feel the same way you do about Biden.  He could never be any asset to our nation.  Therefore, I didn't vote for him.  And I am someone who votes for the candidate rather than for his or her political party.  Four years of Biden could only be like an ongoing nightmare.

    5. Garry Reed profile image91
      Garry Reedposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      Ah, Great article. Biden deserves exactly what Trump got. Karma is such a bitch.

      1. TheShadowSpecter profile image86
        TheShadowSpecterposted 11 days agoin reply to this

        If Biden is kept out of the White House for good alongside Kamala Harris, that would be more than enough Karma.

    6. Garry Reed profile image91
      Garry Reedposted 11 days agoin reply to this

      Even before Biden was elected I began predicting he wouldn't last 4 years, and likely not even 1 year. The Marxist left will find a way to push him into resigning -- even if it takes threatening his family and his legacy by releasing proofs about Hunter's corrupt involvement with the Chinese because these people have no moral restraint when it comes to their power lust -- and that way Harris can take charge of "Changing America forever" into just another failed socialist state.

      1. Readmikenow profile image98
        Readmikenowposted 11 days agoin reply to this

        I agree with you.  What do we do about it?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 11 days agoin reply to this

          I don't think at this point we have to worry about what to do. Many citizens stepped up yesterday to protest the election. I don't think they are going away, I think their very frustration will spread. And those that took the time spent the money, and stood up for what they believe in are now the media is portraying them as villains violent protesters. Do you think they are going away? I don't these people have been pushed to the brink and I see they are ready to demand some form of justice.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 11 days agoin reply to this

            "some form of justice."

            That is what the counties, states, and courts have already done. What form of justice do you propose is left?

          2. ScottSBateman profile image82
            ScottSBatemanposted 10 days agoin reply to this

            They weren't "citizens". They were seditionist rioters who attempted an illegal insurrection.

            Sedition: "incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority".

            1. IslandBites profile image88
              IslandBitesposted 10 days agoin reply to this

              The #StopTheSteaI in DC on Jan.6th will be the GOAT.

              It will be 1776 all over again.... only bigger and better.


              This was retwitted by Ashli Babbitt. Jan 4

            2. Readmikenow profile image98
              Readmikenowposted 10 days agoin reply to this

              So, then you're saying the protesters in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, New York City were seditionists?  Or...were they rioters?  Seems they could qualify for both.  Maybe if you cause destruction in the billions of dollars you should be considered a seditionist/rioter.  That would cover it.

            3. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 10 days agoin reply to this

              All of them?  My Oh My...

              1. Readmikenow profile image98
                Readmikenowposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Gee, I wonder what you would call the rioters who burned, looted and caused billions of dollars worth of destruction during the summer...let alone 25 people being killed.  I guess they weren't citizens either.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 6 days agoin reply to this

                  WE don't need to guess we have seen a bit of some attitude right here in regard to what they see as a difference between the Summer protests/riots and the Jan 6th  protests.

                  It is very apparent all in the country have taken sides, and there is no coming together at this point.  Many are willing to condemn any that don't ascribe to their ideology. It is a time for Americans to stand up for what they believe, and not let this kind of suppression spread. Violence will never be the answer, standing up for freedom of speech, can be won with words, speech...  And ridding ourselves of a Government that is no longer working on the behalf of all Anerican's,  or even respects free speech.

                  1. IslandBites profile image88
                    IslandBitesposted 6 days agoin reply to this
        2. ScottSBateman profile image82
          ScottSBatemanposted 10 days agoin reply to this

          How about another insurrection?

          1. Readmikenow profile image98
            Readmikenowposted 10 days agoin reply to this

            I go more along the lines of a federal investigation with the results being made public.  That should do it.

  2. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 7 weeks ago

    Damn it to hell, the people has spoken.

    What ever schemes that the Right is hatching up, I say "bring it on", it will just discredit them just that much more in the eyes of the nation.

    The liberals won this time, so how about we all get over it until 2024?

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      I believe we shall follow the plan of the Democrats have created during the past four years.

      I don't believe the people have spoken.  It's the fraudulent voting abilities of the Democrats that have spoken louder than anything.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Great, Mike, but that will have to be irrefutably proven, which has yet to have taken place.

        1. Readmikenow profile image98
          Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Cred, I'm going to use Democrats as a model.  It doesn't have to be proven.  An allegation against Biden will be considered to be a fact.  That is the way it was with President Donald Trump.  So, Democrats taught me nothing has to be proven, it is good enough to treat an allegation as fact. Democrats have also shown me that no matter what is proven, Biden should always be considered an illegitimate president.  I hope this is shouted loud and long, it's the Democrat way.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Perhaps, Mike, but unless Trump pulls something from his sleeve regarding the legitimacy of the election, Biden is the guy that will be at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, next January.

            Trump will have to "prove it" to whatever judicial bodies he chooses to address the alleged charges.

            That is the reality of the situation.

            But, let's face it, you never really cared for Democrats anyway, determined by your positions in the forum. So, a lot of this sounds like sour grapes. What do you say now when you contact your friends and acquaintances that are of liberal bent and voted for Biden? You wouldn't really share with them what you provided here in your 'manifesto'

            1. Readmikenow profile image98
              Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

              Cred,

              I don't care if Biden becomes president at this point.  I will always consider him an illegitimate president.  I will always believe that he was elected based on voter fraud.  The Democrats have taught me the truth or facts don't matter.  They have taught me perception is everything.  My perception always will be that Biden is an illegitimate president.

              I have shared with the liberals I know what I've posted in this forum.  I told them I plan to use the Democrat game plan when it comes to Biden being president. 

              Democrats have taught me a good lesson on how to handle these things and I've always been a good student.

        2. Readmikenow profile image98
          Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          I'm following the Democrat model in that nothing has to be proven.  I plan to treat each allegation as fact.  It worked for Democrats pretty well.

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Got any support for that thought Mike?

        GA

        1. Readmikenow profile image98
          Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          I've gotten some very strong support.

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      That's comical, coming from a liberal that fully supported the demonization of the President, the witch hunt for non-existent criminal activity by the President and a faux attempt to impeach him.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        No, I don't like the man no more than you "liked" Obama. I don't deny this.

        How can I demonize him, I am critical of him or anybody else that goes off course, it is just from my view, Conservatives and Republicans do that a great deal? I was not any impediment in the course that he chose or  the way he governed.

        I am satisfied that the circumstances leading to impeachment of Trump were valid. The GOP dominated Senate acquitted him , so what is the problem?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

          Of course you were satisfied that a Democrat dominated House cobbled together a bunch of fake reasons for impeachment. 

          While I disagree with Mike's proposed action, it is exactly what liberals did to Trump.  Including Credence.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            Trump made his own bed during his four year term, so now he can lie in it, until the New York State prosecutors give him a pair of matching bracelets.

            At least you are consistent in your view that "two wrongs don't make a right" and just don't apply it to Democrats. I will give  you credit for that.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      It seems a bit of a stretch to think many republicans will forget the last four crazy years. and what makes it more bazaar everything so many disliked about Trump, Biden has all that and more.  It's all too hypocritical to ignore.

      You may want to consider just how far apart Republicans and Democrats are in their vision for the Country.  It would very much seem there is no middle ground at this juncture.

    4. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      I just lost a lengthy reply—Damn you Hubpages!—so my retried reply is just; I agree. We have a new pres.-elect, so let's support him.

      However, judging from AOC and the Squad's response, I am not sure that "the Liberals" think they won.

      GA

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

        Centrist, which is more Biden's style, is far and above preferable to Trump's rightwing, authoritarian approach. I am not elated, more than I am relieved that we have diverted from a clearly dangerous course, even if it is not as much of a diversion as I would like.

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          I would be happy with a "centrist" agenda primarily because of the damage and dangers I fear of a 'Leftist' agenda.

          I recall mentioning a proposed Biden cabinet comment, (the one with AOV, Warren, and Sanders), that gave me a chuckle, now, I am just happy that didn't happen.

          From what I understand of Biden's proposed cabinet picks it looks like just more of the same old DC insider politics.

          As a side note; except for instances of extreme nationalism, I liked most of Pres. Trump's policies—and their results.

          GA

          1. Ken Burgess profile image91
            Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            The agenda will be the continued progression toward 2030 goals.

            You are correct in that it will be a return to "the same old DC insider politics" that have existed in DC for at least the last 30 years.

            Biden will fast track America back into the Paris Accord agreements, he will reverse all actions taken by the Trump administration against China, he will get America in alignment with the Global Compact on Migration.

            And in addition, I expect he will drum up some excuse to start a new military campaign somewhere against some 'terrible threat'.

            Trump's disruption will soon be forgotten and those who strongly supported him (or still support him) will be persona non grata soon enough.

            1. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              Oddly, my first thought is that Trump's disruption" won't soon be forgotten.

              I agree that Biden's administration will likely reenter most of the agreements Pres. Trump pulled out of, but I don't think those actions will go unexamined.

              Even more oddly, I think Pres. Biden's efforts to reenter these agreements will be on more America-advantaged terms. Maybe that is just the optimist in me.

              GA

              1. Ken Burgess profile image91
                Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                Its nice to have optimism... its kind of like hope, without having it, it can be a lot harder waking up in the morning and facing the day.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image91
                Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                For myself I like to project out to the most likely course...
                It helps me in better preparing for what could come.
                Plan for the worst/most likely, hope for the best.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTbwN__8dHo

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  As usual, your provided link was an interesting watch. While I did find a 'nit-pick' or two, generally, I think the video presented valid points.

                  Even though I will remain the optimist, that doesn't mean I ignore the other possibilities. If the video's presentation of Biden's advisor's positions is accurate and prescient, then I do have a concern about Pres. Biden's possible stance towards China.

                  Thanks for the link.

                  GA

          2. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Understood, GA, but this is where we part ways. Your centrist is not "left" enough for me. I abhor Trump in both his policies and his manner and I will take anything moving away from the Right as an improvement and, more importantly, as a beginning.

    5. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Let me jump in here... Not to be argumentive, but to quickly point out a bit of hypocrisy.  The people also spoke four years ago. I certainly am not pointing a finger at you, because I am not sure how you felt in regard to President Trump and all the BS they through att him daily. ---- List of lies, Russia Russia Russia, and an impeachment, not to mention a media that twisted his every word.

      Do you think it realistic to hope those on the right will overlook anything Biden has done or will do?  I tend to think no...

      In my view, I am willing to be a spectator, and only criticize Biden if he has done anything that I find could be harmful to my country. Hopefully, I need never point out anything negative. And yes in the near past I have pointed out very negative characteristics that I believe Biden possesses. These character assassinations were all part of looking into a presidential candidate. Fair play.  He won so at this point I am left wondering how, due to his lack of campaigning, lack of luster history, and racist tendencies.

      But we move on and observe...

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        " He won so at this point I am left wondering how, due to his lack of campaigning, lack of luster history, and racist tendencies."

        I have a thought on that. His personal behavior offended too many people. To steal one of PrettyPanther's descriptions; I think a lot of people were more offended by his being a "pussy grabber" than they were considerate of his policy accomplishments.

        I liked the man's policy accomplishments, but I could not vote for him because a "pussy grabber" does not represent my vision of my America.

        Whether right or wrong, the 'means' matter to me.

        GA

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          " Whether right or wrong, the 'means' matter to me."
          This is applicable in a sane world.

          I am not sure you are comprehended my comment?  In this case, I was responding to the fact the poster I was responding to appeared a bit hypocritical. (perhaps not realizing it). I was simply asking or bringing to light  --- is it realistic to hope those on the right are apt to overlook anything Biden has done or will do? 

          In regard to my thoughts on hypocrisy ---I merely pointed out people also treated Trump very poorly four years ago. I preceded with carefully a cautious statement  - " I am not a finger at you because I am not sure how you felt in regard to President Trump and all the BS they threw at him daily."  But pointing out a fact, Trump was badly ridden by the media and many others.

          "I liked the man's policy accomplishments, but I could not vote for him because a "pussy grabber" does not represent my vision of my America."

          I appreciate your view, and you are well aware I have confirmed I voted for Trump due to the policies he offered, not his demeanor. .I voted for him this time around on his job performance. I never sit out an election, even when we have two very flawed candidates. I never stride a pedestal and sit out an election. Just never even consider not casting my vote.

          This election was offered to me once again a hard decision. I can assure you I did my research into Biden, as well as I did of Trump four years ago. I had four years of Trump, I witnessed his job performance.  I more than witnessed  I made sure to follow his accomplishments, accomplishments that never saw the light of day. At the end of the day. IMO these men both have serious accusations of sexual abuse.  So on my list of pros and cons this box was checked for both.

          In the end and to be honest, I found they both were, for lack of a better term "pussy grabber's".   Please keep in mind you inserted this accusation into the conversation, not me.  And I respect your feeling that Trump did not represent your vision of America. I feel he made wonderful strides in correcting some problems I had hoped to see solved. So, I had two pussy grabber's but one just had a better history of being a problem solver. I respect that you could not see your way clear for voting for a man that was a self-proclaimed pussy grabber. Although you voted for a man that had some sexual assault accusations made against him. ( please keep in mind I am not bringing up this fact for any other reason than to make a clear comparison between Trump and Biden's sexual exploits). 

          Actions or means do matter very much to me.  Whether right or wrong I vote...  I stay off my pedestal altogether when it comes to voting. Always two candidates, always a hard decision. I can assure you I am a moral woman. However, the shame of it all IMO we have had very poor candidates as of late to choose from.

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            The only part of your comment that I addressed was to offer a thought regarding your question. I think my answer is a real possibility and will stand by it.

            As for sitting out the election, I didn't. I voted my down-ballot choices, I just didn't vote for a presidential candidate. I vote for a candidate,not against one. Neither of my choices allowed me to vote for one or the other. You may think of that as a "pedestal" thought, but I don't. My vote is important to me. I won't vote for a 'lesser of two evils' just to cast a ballot. My non-president vote was a vote in my mind.

            GA

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              "I liked the man's policy accomplishments, but I could not vote for him because a "pussy grabber" does not represent my vision of my America."

              Yet we needed a president to do the job of a president. And I have heard your sentiment over and over  --- " I won't vote for a 'lesser of two evils' just to cast a ballot. My non-president vote was a vote in my mind."

              So am I to understand you are saying a president's character is more important than the job he is being hired for? You have admitted you appreciated Trump's policy accomplishments.  Curious.

              Yet we now have a president that has thus far shown himself a non-productive Washington politician, and it is apparent he carries a poor reputation mimicking all the same characteristics that many feel Trump possesses.

              So, I can understand how you fed your mind...  And that is your prerogative. However, why did you not join in to promote policies you seem to have at best feel may have benefited our Republic?   

              " I won't vote for a 'lesser of two evils' just to cast a ballot."

              Yet in the end, did the lesser of two evils win, or did someone that just can't do as good of a job win. A man with policies you MAY not respect?  Your vote matters.

              I took the hard road, I once again considered pros and cons. My casted vote for president served to give me a sort of peace of mind. I did my best as a citizen. IMO ---  Voting is a privilege and meant to serve society as a whole.

              Perhaps I should not have inserted the word "pedestal"  into the conversation.  I can see the word should be a  no-no. Hard to converse and be honest at times. This form of communication makes it very hard to share our own intent when using certain words.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                To answer your first question, in the circumstances of our times, (not Lincoln's time of civil war), yes, in Pres. Trump's case I did see his character flaws as more damaging to our nation than his policy achievements. I also recognize that that is merely my opinion and is very debatable to folks that hold a contrary opinion.

                Would you present Pres. Trump as a role model to your, (hypothetical), young son? I wouldn't. So I also wouldn't want him to be a role model for America's young sons. It's about means for me Sharlee. If accepting Pres. Trump's representation of an American president, which in turn is a representation of America, is the price to pay for his policy achievements, then I say the prices too high. The cure is worse than the disease.

                How would you suggest I promote those Trump policies that I feel benefitted our nation? As a simple forum participant, I frequently did my part in defending the policies I supported and was predictably labeled a Trump supporter and sycophant. What else would you have me do?

                Relative to your thought of whether "the lesser of two evils" won, I will leave that as an open question for each of us to answer. But you are right, my vote does count. And I will not diminish it by voting for any lesser of two evils.

                As for your use of pedestal . . . words convey meanings. The ones we choose, however carefully, are often the best indicators of a position. If you feel "pedestals" inappropriately represented your thought, I would think that the truth may be in the meaning of the term; 'a Freudian slip'.

                GA

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I applaud your fortitude, and I can understand very clearly how you formed your opinion of "all trump".  Would I hold him up as a role model for my children or young? No, I would tell them he has the quality of problem-solving but lacks character, that his demeanor is offensive, and that it appears he has not led his personal life using good judgment.

                  I prepared my children for life knowing the world is made up of all kinds of individuals. Some good, some not so good, and some really bad. But all having diverse abilities. Not to judge, and try to see the good as well as the negative. Children grow up, they need to be able to be understanding, non-judgmental. However, I thought them well to see right from wrong.

                  I think my career as a nurse exposed me to all kinds of people. In my early years, it was hard to become accustomed to the knowledge that this world has so many different human beings. I came to appreciate the differences.

                  "How would you suggest I promote those Trump policies that I feel benefitted our nation? " Straight up facts, did a policy benefit the nation or did it not. I think you actually do that well. And you have a good knack for stepping away at the right time. Hey, just think you most likely will not need to worry about Trump or his accomplishments any longer. Maybe only defending that it was a Trump accomplishment and not Joe just taking credit for a Trump accomplishment... LOL You do know that's what's coming.

                  Your attitude about not voting for the lesser of two evils is understandable and in the past few elections become more relevant.  I guess I am set in my ways in regard to voting.

                  I have been accused of speaking from a pedestal. Speaking from a pedestal very well suits my personal.  However, as I mentioned in my previous comment I try to stay off my pedestal when it comes to voting in an election. 

                  I hope you don't think I was insinuating you stride a pedestal?  No, you more wisely know when to sit on the fence, to survive here. I hope to learn that.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Thanks for your comment Sharlee. I think that what is often taken as 'fence-sitting' is simply admitting that I don't have enough facts to form a firm opinion. When I do have such facts I do hold very firmly to my opinions and statements. But, when I don't, when I am not comfortable with the support of my opinion, I would rather take a "fence-sitting" position than double-down on a thought that cannot be readily supported.

                    GA

  3. ValKaras profile image83
    ValKarasposted 7 weeks ago

    I guess, being a Canadian disqualifies me  from joining to this discussion -- but it; not the first time that I am writing something without qualifications, because at Hub Pages I am pretending to be a writer and a poet - like so many others.

    Now, I don't care if you elect a Donald Trump or a Donald Duck for your president, and this response is something I do just for my love for simple logic. I also don't care about Trump's hair, fingers, his wife's accent, and Barron's mental health. Additionally, I have no education in economy and diplomacy, so I can't tell if Trump was a good or bad president -- and my opinion would have to depend on my sheer cherry-picking.

    And finally, I don't judge Trump on anybody's narrative -- to me it's important what I see with my eyes. Unless all those you tube videos with him were doctored, with someone else's voice added to his moving lips -- the dude kept contradicting himself and lying.

    Furthermore, he called himself a "very stable genius" who "knows more about this and that and everything than anybody else". No genius ever publicly called themselves a genius unless of a narcissistic variety. It's something that OTHERS have to say about a person, and it would be like if I said that I am irresistibly handsome and smart" -- while everybody is clearly seeing me just as old fart using his limited English (as second language).

    Now, as for those "unethical" diagnoses -- it's like condoning a criminal being released at court because on a technicality, like not being written his rights. Not being a shrink myself, I know enough about that crap to say that we can tell a mountain about someone without talking to him face to face. Especially is the person is constantly displaying certain personality traits.

    O.K., for my last words -- and they ARE last, because I have no intention oa sick kicking the crap back and forth -- WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? All this is barking at the moon, because no matter how you choose to lose nerve over politics, you have control over any of  it. Ever seen a massive demonstration work? This rant is bad for your digestion.

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      Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Brilliant.   I have a healthy distrust of all media, but all I have to do is watch Trump on his unedited videos to see what kind of person he is.   It's so blindingly obvious, I can't understand why so many Americans can't see it.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        There are two problems with that analysis of the "unethical diagnosis".  First is that any professional that ignores their ethical standards to the point of making a diagnosis without an examination, and then making that diagnosis public, is not someone worthy of trust in their diagnosis. 

        Second is that the "diagnosis" is made of an assumed "public persona", not of the person themselves.  As an example, I watch "Judge Judy" on TV sometimes - a "court" show using actual litigants from the court system.  I don't like the judge on the show: she makes decisions based on her personal sense of right and wrong rather than law (although the scene is of a courtroom), she constantly talks over the litigants, she is extremely abrasive and often refuses to let one side present arguments.

        But I don't assume that the persona presented on the show is representative of the person playing the part.  Similarly, Trump "plays a part" in public, just as he did when on his own TV shows.  These "professional mental health experts" are seeing ONLY that "public persona", not the person under it all.  Would you judge a person's character after watching a marathon of movies they made as a "bad guy"?  Of course not...but are willing to do so with Trump.

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          Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          So, your excuse for Trump's behaviour is that he's deliberately making himself look like a moron every time he appears in public?   

          Seems like a strange strategy for a world leader.

          Trump supporters seem to have excuses for everything.  What we see him do and hear him say is "not real".  Anything the mainstream media says is "not real".

          There's no point in debating anything with someone who's that determined to deny reality.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Sorry, Marisa: nowhere in my post did I mention Trump looking like a moron.  It was solely dedicated to the morons that think they can diagnose a mental illness from a "for public" persona that is donned like any other actor does.

            Nor did I address what I thought of his actions, or whether they fit a world leader.  Again, the entire post was about the non-professional actions of supposed mental health professionals.

            So...no excuse at all.  Just a comment on unethical "professionals" that set their ethics aside in order to make a political statement.  You're right - if you can't, or won't, reply to what I said rather than changing it to something it isn't then there is nothing to debate.

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              Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              My original post related to MY judgment of Trump's character and personality based on my OWN observations.  For that reason, I disregarded your mention of the professionals' diagnosis in your answer as it wasn't relevant.

              So, are you saying that Trump regards the Presidency as just another reality show, and that's why he acts the way he does? 

              If I were made President and lacked the confidence to behave as myself, I would try to act like a statesman, with gravitas.  I wonder what Trump hoped to achieve by acting like an inarticulate fantasist.

              And please don't tell me I'm not qualified to judge him from the videos.  Watch the unedited ones yourself.  He can barely speak a whole adult sentence. He makes wildly inaccurate statements which are very easy to check (things like government-issued figures).  He makes ill-considered, inflammatory remarks.  He is a bully.

              If all that is an act, I'm relieved.  I just can't understand why he'd do it deliberately.

  4. ValKaras profile image83
    ValKarasposted 7 weeks ago

    Mike -- My only short reply -- if your last response was addressing me. I don't know what in the world makes you think that I would "apologize" for anything I said. And I honestly don't give a rat's ass if I would either be "banned" or lose my account altogether-- when I want to say something -- I say it.

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Val, No...that apology was between me and PP.  I have no response to what you wrote.  Glad for your participation and providing a Canadian view.

  5. Flower Child Fe profile image65
    Flower Child Feposted 7 weeks ago

    Here are a few Facts that everyone should just think about, that's all. Just visualize the situation and think about how you as an individual, no politics involved.. just you the individual truly think and feel about it. Then ask yourself "Why" do you feel that way:

    1. Trump has completely messed up the pandemic response and his negiligence has cause thousands of lost lives. Think about it, what did he really do to stop it, if you disagree?

    2. Trump LOST because ALOT of his fans were in the hospital, quarantined or have unfortunately fallen victim to this pandemic that he didn't try to control. Think about it?

    3. Hundreds of children are now orphans because of Trump's actions. Just think about how you would feel if someone separated you from your parents kicking and screaming to never see them again and put you in a place with no familiar faces. Anyone OK with that is a monster and needs to do some REAL soul searching. Think about it?

    4. A person who cares about you will not continuously put you in danger by  holding super spreader events just to win. Biden did it safely and won. Think about it? Just Google the rise in cases in those states and then compare it to where the majority of the cases are now.

    5. What type of person is ok with a pathological liar, especially when they know that the person is lying, yet continue to go along with it? What does your God think about your recent decisions and actions because that is the only one that we all have to answer to in the end?

    6. When was the last time any of you heard Trump say anything to the families of the people who have passed away from this virus or the people now living with lingering symptoms and new health problems? Anyone have a day or date?

    7. He cares about you, but he's doing everything he can to dismantle the Pentagon, which in turn makes ALL Americans unsafe, including you Trump supporters.

    8. I'm sure that at least some of you Trump supporters could use some more help in the form of stimulus or business bailout. Am I wrong? Well, why haven't you at least gotten yours since you support him or does he not care enough about his followers to figure it out.

    This is just to wake up some peoples common sense that will allow you to really have a heart to heart with yourself about what you just read and how you really feel about it. You, the individual, and keeping politics out of it.

    1. Readmikenow profile image98
      Readmikenowposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      #1 to #3 are your opinion.  No facts there.  #4...there have been so many spreader events involving protests and riots, a non point.  #5 This could be said about every Democrat that has held office in my lifetime. 

      #6 "I want to say, ‘I love you.' I want to say that we're doing everything we can," Trump told Muir.

      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/preside … d=70515659

      #7 Like to see some facts to back that one up.

      #8 You need to address the loss of stimulus bailout to the Democrat held Congress.  President Donald Trump had more than one proposal that they passed on.

      I've had a heart to heart and realize there is much more to what is happening than Democrats/Liberals realize.  It may be too complicated for them.

  6. Kathleen Cochran profile image81
    Kathleen Cochranposted 6 weeks ago

    Every complaint about Trump has been proven true over and over. Anyone who can't see that is beyond help.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      No, not really --- in fact, every complaint was nothing but media fodder meant to reach the ears of those that would believe anything they were told. And then continue to spread it as it were true. Anyone that can't see that " is beyond help"...

      1. Readmikenow profile image98
        Readmikenowposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        I would say some of the most significant lies concerning President Donald Trump are the ones that have been told about him.  It's absolutely disgusting how people fail to do research and find the truth.  Anyone who believes the many lies told about him without trying to find the truth is beyond help.

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          Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          You want the truth?  I can tell you that Donald Trump does not hesitate to use bribery and intimidation to get what he wants in business. He is willing to destroy the livelihood of ordinary people in order to get what he wants.

          I know because my family has witnessed such behavior at close quarters (thankfully, my family was not the target).  That's the real man, and I doubt he has changed since entering the White House.

          1. Readmikenow profile image98
            Readmikenowposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Well, as an editor told me years ago when I was covering a story "Just because you say it's so don't make it so, I need facts."

          2. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            "I can tell you that Donald Trump does not hesitate to use bribery and intimidation to get what he wants in business."

            Bribery is illegal in this country.  Can you give court cases where he was found guilty of bribery or is that just another unsupportable claim?  He certainly uses intimidation, though - that is a common action among most businesses.  So is "destroying the livelihood of ordinary people" if you mean putting them out of business and taking the resulting sales for himself.  WalMart is a great example of that.

          3. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            But I did not call them "terrorist countries": my words were "terrorist supporting countries".  Those countries supported terrorists either with money or, at a minimum, a location they could operate out of.

            If you want videos of Trump decrying white supremacy you will have to find them yourself.  I'm tired of producing the same links over and over and over while people say they don't exist.  You could start the search with a list of some 30 times (30 video clips) where he did so.

            https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … den-harris  (second video)

          4. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd0cMmBvqWc

            The president placed a travel ban on countries that support terrorism. This is a  right any US President has to protect America.

    2. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Really?  The one that he is mentally ill, with the only doctor to actually examine him denying it?  The one that he lied when he said he was was spied on that turned out to be true?  The one, still going on, that he has never decried White Supremacy, yet there are videos of him doing just that?  The complaint that banning travel, of anyone, from terrorist supporting countries was racist, or that he said all Mexicans are criminals?  The list of false "complaints" is at least as long as those faux list of his lies.

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        Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        Please supply links to the videos of him decrying White Supremacy when he's not speaking a prepared speech on a teleprompter, obviously written by his speechwriter.  Every time I've seen him asked the question in an interview or without a teleprompter, he balks and avoids the question.  That, to me, reveals his true feelings.

        The fact that you call them "terrorist countries" is racist in itself.

        If you take the time to go through those "faux" lists of lies, you may be surprised how many of them are not "faux" at all, and can be proved by the simple act of watching the video where he said it.

        1. Readmikenow profile image98
          Readmikenowposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          "The fact that you call them "terrorist countries" is racist in itself."

          Really?  What race?

    3. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I have been told I am "beyond help" for years. I never disputed it. :-0

      GA

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    Marisa Writesposted 6 weeks ago

    So intimidation is a normal, acceptable part of doing business? 

    Speechless.

    (and if you read my post, I am referring to a specific situation in another country, of which I have personal knowledge.  The person concerned does not have the resources to take someone like Trump on in a legal battle, so it will never see the courts).

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I did read it, and did assume it fell under foreign law; a law I am not familiar with in the slightest and cannot comment on.

      As far as businesses don't intimidate, all I can say is that you've never been in business in a big enough way to draw unwanted attention from a larger competitor.  There are many, many ways to intimidate, and the mafia with the iron pipe is just one of them.  Sometimes all it takes is a pocketful of money and the suggestion that you cannot overcome it in court.  I know: I gave up a strong case against a fortune 500 company because I knew I could not continue the court cases through the many appeals they would throw up.

  8. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 6 weeks ago

    This is from a fellow supporter of President Donald Trump. I don't think the Democrats realize what they have done.


    I tolerated 44 (Obama) for 8 years and kept quiet.
    Here is my issue with the whole, “let us all be a United States again” that we heard from Joe Biden.
    For the last 4+ years, the Democrats have gone scorched earth. You have salted the fields and now you want to grow crops.
    The problem is 72+ million of us have memories longer than a hamster.
    We remember the women’s march (vagina hats and all) the day after inauguration.
    We remember the 4 years of attacks and impeachments
    We remember “not our president” and the “Resistance…”
    We remember Maxie Walters telling followers to harass us in restaurants.
    We remember the Presidents spokesperson being kicked out a restaurant.
    We remember hundreds of Trump supporters physically attacked.
    We remember Trump supporters getting Doxed, and fired from jobs.
    We remember riots, and looting
    We remember “a comedian” holding up the President’s severed head
    We remember a play in Central park paid with public funding, showing the killing of President Trump
    We remember Robert de Niro yelling “F" Trump” at the Tony’s and getting a standing ovation.
    We remember Nancy Pelosi tearing up the State of the Union Address.
    We remember the total in the tank move on the mainstream media
    We remember the non-stop and live fact checking on our President and his supporters.
    We remember non-stop in your face lies and open cover-ups from the media.
    We remember the President and his staff being spied on.
    We remember five Senators shot on a ballfield.
    We remember every so-called comedy show turn into nothing but Trump hate fest.
    We remember 95% negative coverage in the news.
    We remember the state governors asking and getting everything they ask for and then blaming Trump for their problems.
    We remember a Trump top aid verbally assaulted in two DC restaurants.
    We remember people banging on the Supreme Court doors.
    We remember that we were called every name in the book for supporting President Trump.
    We remember that Hollywood said they would leave after Trump was elected but they stayed.
    This list is endless, but you get the idea.
    My friends will be my friends, but a party that has been on the attack for 4 long years does not get a free pass with me!
    Copy and paste because FB wouldn't let me share.

  9. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 10 days ago

    Isn't it interesting how the Capital police let them in?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFfAeNZ … e=emb_logo

    How about the Capital police were taking selfies with the protestors?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-ZqX4i1lCg

    1. TheShadowSpecter profile image86
      TheShadowSpecterposted 10 days agoin reply to this

      House Representative Mo Brooks did state in an interview that he believed that there were ANTIFA people there pretending to be MAGA demonstrators and acting out in violence to fool the public into believing that it was the MAGA demonstrators who were causing the trouble, when it was really the ANTIFA people who were doing so.

  10. Readmikenow profile image98
    Readmikenowposted 6 days ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15363049_f1024.jpg

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 6 days agoin reply to this

      So agree.

 
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