An Even DEEPER Question, Part II

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  1. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago
    Socioeconomic class is the underlying root of almost everything in America.  The so-called racial & ethnic chasm has its underlying roots in socioeconomics.  It really doesn't matter what race &/or ethnic group one belongs to, if one is wealthy, h/she can afford unlimited access to the best schools, health care, & other life amenities regardless of race & ethnic group.   Do you believe that the prime underlying social problem & discrimination in America is based upon socioeconomic class or it based upon race &/or ethnic group.  To go even further, are the social problems a COMBINATION of race &/or ethnic group?  Or are there OTHER factors beyond one's race &/or ethnic group?

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Grace, i have found this profound article that clearly reflects my position on your topic, and accurately describes the true nature of Trump and the motivation of his followers.

      It explains the "mix" between socio-economic verses race as a driving force in American politics. One certainly cannot be dismissed with considering the other.

      It is a bit of a stretch as a long article but it is an enlightening read … on/546356/

      1. MizBejabbers profile image87
        MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        I read most of it, but finally gave up because of the time frame to read it. I think it can be summed up in one sentence:  The white middle class is frustrated because it is disintegrating with the haves getting richer and the have nots getting poorer. Then we have the rich who support Trump because his policies are making them richer, and the poor support Trump because they mistakenly think he gives them hope.

        The frustrated middle class (notice I left out "white" because there are some black voters who support Trump) knows through history that communism does not work, so they can't turn to that kind of revolution. I think people are just frustrated and don't know what do do, so Trump supporters are grasping at straws in their support of him.

        1. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          I had a discussion w/my late mother more than 4 decades ago. She indicated that there will only be TWO classes in America, the very wealthy & the very poor.  The middling or the formerly middle class is shrinking due to increased specialization in education & skills.  Those w/the specialized, even advanced education & skills will become richer while those w/o specialized skills & education will become poorer.

      2. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Read the article.    Duke-------->Trump.   People who feel that they are socioeconomically disenfranchised will vote for someone who will give them socioeconomic stability, regardless of the his/her moral character.  Look at Germany during the late 1920s,  the Germans were totally disenfranchised socioeconomically & voted for Hitler, who was a vicious demagogue who promised them the world like Duke & Trump.

  2. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    GM I like your questioning more than anyone on Hugepage. Because they are not shallow your aim is deeper to the source of problem. I will give my part 1 opinion and part 2 later.

    Living in LA, Virginia and Florida and making most of my money was made in the US. Where most on this site when it comes about America, they ingnore me because I am Canadian.

    I was kicked out of a Florida town for major featuring Colombus as America first Pirate in a pirate museum on Colombus day. Alot about America Source is from a Pirate Economy. Today the secret societies of US corp are the new Pirates and leading US by mind control. A president leads a corporation, not a country.

    1. Columbus was not even the first white man to discover America.
    2. Columbus was the first European to start the gold rush.
    3. He was the First European to enslaved the natives.
    4. First to bring Christainity.
    5. First European to start the greatest genocide in Human history ( native Americans)

    I made a pirate museum in Florida, with Columbus being the major feature. After claiming Columbus was the first pirate in North America. They threw me out of town on Columbus Day.

    Then a black man asked me to build the first American black history museum. I said, are you trying to get me killed. Blacks in History have pushed for demoncracy than any race, because America is not a true Demoncracy.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image87
      MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Most of the stuff you said here is true. Did you know that historians are trying to prove that the Irish were here even before Eric the Red (which was around 1000 A.D.)? They are studying archeological digs that contain what has been identified as ancient Celtic writing.

      But your last sentence points out something a lot of people, including U.S. citizens, don't know. The U.S. is not a true democracy; it is a democratic republic. Note the wording in the pledge of allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the flag ..., and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands."

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Democratic republic is a form of government operating on principles adopted from a republic and a democracy. Rather than being a cross between two entirely separate systems, democratic republics may function on principles shared by both republics and democracies.

        Is that why there is only a two party system from the beginning time of America. Which US Corp takes over most control due to Lincoln's assassination. Causing emergency Marshal law warfare to continue up to today.

        I built the history of Oklahoma museum like display in cement in Oklahoma city. Because of one stone they claimed they had Vikings who lived there 1000 years ago. I was kind of force politically to add in a viking display amoung 20 Oklahoma displays in a historical story about OK. At the time I did not know, today I don't think so.

        I don't know about the Irish, they tell really wild tale tales. Lol.

        1. MizBejabbers profile image87
          MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          CP, these tales are based on archaeological evidence, not hearsay. Otherwise how do you explain very similar, or perhaps even identical, manmade structures and housewares, as well as writings and hieroglyphics in different parts of the world. Rather than try to reason them, some people just scoff at them because they don't want to leave their comfort zones and question their belief systems.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image75
            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I am keen on North American ancient and modern history.

            Had not heard of it, yet will look into it. First check into black Irish.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image75
            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            National geographic did a study that showed some Vikings settled in Ireland. Norwegian Vikings DNA = 7% Irish DNA.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image75
              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Don't tell that to my Irish friends. They think there is only two kinds of people in this world.

              The Irish,  and people who wish they were Irish.

  3. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    European came to America to be free, by enslaveing the blacks. Before civil war in many southern states there were more blacks than whites. For 400 years of slavery.  Not until blacks could first vote in 1965 to be more part of the top system. Today a new kind of salvery called prisons and the same corrosion, not as cruel as Kings were. War solves nothing, yet American keeps useing it for ethics cleazing. The English language countries have been the most barbaric throughout most of modern history. The world veiws are rapidly changing from war cleazing and racial decriminalization even for Americans. Canada is a more of a capitalist/ socialist system of mosaic equality of culture and race, yet Corporation-ism are stealing power also .  America is more like an international airport and the color is green. The US Government is a corporation and the people will easily follow. Although their are grey area systems that are at work, shifting the powers.

    Positive change for most any country comes from grass roots to the hearts and minds of the majority. Not from the greedy power of the wealthy from the top down.

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your responses, Castlepaloma.

    2. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Canada sounds more attractive to me by the day, however the Missus would have a problem with the northern climate.

      This comment of yours sums things up pretty well...

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you,

        I find your veiws interesting

  4. TessSchlesinger profile image60
    TessSchlesingerposted 3 years ago

    There are a few things here...

    1. There were slaves in Egypt.  The Jews were slaves to the Arabs, the Nubians, etc. So slavery was a concept and an activity long before the Brits. The Romans had slaves as well the Greeks, etc. And all this came about long before the English language was in existence. At the time of the New World being explored, slavery was an acceptable trade by all nations.

    2. Perhaps the Spanish were more cruel than the English. They were totally barbaric - from the Inquisition through to killing of the Incas, etc. And then again, all people from all creeds, nations, and colours, have an element of cruelty in them. Black on black violence on the continent I live is horrific.

    3. Many different creeds and colours went to the Americas - but then so many different creeds and colours went to Africa, Australia, etc. The new world was entirely made up of two tiers of humanity - the aristocrats plundering for gold and profit, and the poor, persecuted, and disadvantaged who were either escaping hell or wanted a better life.

    4. Capitalism replaced merchantilism which, in turn, replaced feudalism. At the time that capitalism came into being - about 250 years ago - it was seen as a way to preserve the wealth of the aristocracy. That was because with the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution, the wealth of the aristocracy was in peril. The idea (myth0 was put out that capital (in the hands of the aristocracy) was superior to labour (the peasants), and that, therefore, the 'ownership class' (previously the aristocracy) would not only pay labour less than their labour was worth and charge more than the goods were worth, thereby making a profit (a 10,000 year old concept more or less from trade). In this way, the wealth would remain with the aristocracy and peasants would remain poor.

    There was an additional concept to capitalism, though - that land could be owned - massive tracts of land could be owned even if the owners were't living on it. The Magna Carta of 1215 ensured that 'the commons' meant that land that was not lived on was free for everybody to use. The biggest addition to capitalism (from trade) was the concept that land could be owned. It is no accident that the greatest wealth owners in the world own most of the world's land. And it has been passed down from generations. Thomas Piketty, the French economist made a study of this in his seminal work 'Capital in the 21st Century.'

    5. Hierarchical class systems started happening at the time that mankind  gave up his nomadic ways (10,000 years ago?),and they have remained ingrained because once implemented, they are difficult to erradicate. From time to time, throughout history, from the rebellion by Spartacus, the slave, in Rome to the Arab Spring, we-the-people have wanted to say to the Lords of the Universe 'So far. No further.' And once more, we are there.

    6. Biologically, there are some aspects of humankind that do not fit with these hierachical (class) systems, and they are as follows:

    a) Human beings are mammals. Mammals universally 'work' 20 hours per week. Until the time of the industrial revolution, humans never worked more than that. There are records kept in the Domesday book and the 'documentation' of other countries. Humans develop sickness, stress, and other dis-eases, when they are pushed beyond those 20 hours per week. Certainly there are people that are born with the capacity for greater output, but it is not hte norm.

    b) As with all mammals and herd/tribal animals, leadership is required. Some are born leaders and some are born followers. The brain of a follower is far more easily 'imprinted' than that of a leader. Leaders are more capable of independent thinking. Followers group-think. They also group-chat. The ration is mammals is one leader to that of followers for the mammal kingdom is one leader for ever 19 followers. In other words, five percent of humankind is capable of independent thinking - the rest are followers. Leadership cannot be taught. It is an innate capacity.

    What this means in socio-economic systems is that followers are easily led, influenced, and it is not always to their good. In fact, in the world-view currently, that people get what they deserve (a meritocracy), peopel who are followers are not worthy of any worthwhile reward.

    There is an inherent flaw in this. While a leader is capable of seeing the path ahead and of thinking rationally in times of danger, leaders are not capable of doing it all. They are, essentially, useless, without followers. No man is an island. All twenty people in the tribe are required to build a community. The worth of one mans specialization is as necessary as the worth of the next man's specialisation. (Okay, okay, British and American English mixed.)

    It's also true that followers might be more easily led. They are, however, NOT stupid. Nor are they unaware of when they are manipulated. They eventually get it. And whent hat idea spreads through group-chat, revolution happens. That is what happened in France. it was not the peasant class that began the first uprisings. It was the thinking class. They dessminated those ideas to the peasants, and a revolution was born. This cycle has repeated itself throughout history. That is what is happening now. Biology wins.

    7. Specifically, to get to America, Will Smith is not thought of any less than anyone who is 'white.' So it's not the darkness of the skin pigment. Coming from the moneyed classes, I can tell you that poorer people are thought of with contempt - it doesn't matter if they are white or black or pink or purple. If you have money (and class - which has more to do with refinement, etiquette, a code of honour, etc), then you are accepted. If not, you are rejected. Skin colour is an incidental. However, Americans, more than any other nation on earth, are culturized/socialized from birth to believe several things.

    a) That to be a success one must have money and status.
    b) That anyone can have anything if only they will believe and work hard.
    c) That people who do not achieve anything are either lazy or stupid or both.

    8) The problem with the above believe system is it is wrong. Research has shown the following.

    a) There are the same number of talented, highly intelligent people amongst the poor and people of colour as there are in the rich classes.

    b) Statistics show that the peple who succeed in life (fame and wealth) come from the upper middle and richer classes. They do not come from the poor. When one studies the few who came from the poorer classes, this either happened as a result of a state regulated mixed economical system (basically the western world's means of government through the 50s and 60s) or people first indulged in criminal activities (drugs, theft, etc.) to get their initial capital, and then they invested in more accepted modes of money making.

    c) People who do not succeed are neither lazy or stupid. (There are just as many lazy, stupid people amongst the rich as there are amongst the poor.) They simply have not

    d) However, as a consequence of an early belief system, Americans fight incredible odds to reach goals that are, for the most part, unattainable. This accounts for the high levels of depression (not a chemical imbalance), obesity, stress, etc. And poverty continues to increase as wealth floats upwards at an ever increasing rate.

    9) When people become poor and they are struggling for survival, 'others' become enemies. Incels think women are responsible. Others think Jews are (with less than 18 million Jews internationally, it is mathematically impossible for Jews to be responsible for all the ill in the world (.24% of the world's population). Others think that it's blacks, Mexicans, or aliens. So they fight each other. And they are easily manipulated by those in power to believe those lies.

    10. My conclusion is that colour has nothing to do with the strife in this world. It is inequality. Our socio-economic systems need to be changed. To date, however, I don't think we have developed a system that meets with the requirements of a 21st century, highly techolological society. I present my solutions as follows.

    a) Scientists (both the soft sciences and the hard sciences) meet in order to design a system. This takes into account what humans are biologically capable of, what the many different types of people require. Some people derive their joy from competition. Others derive their joy from cooperation. Sexuality covers a wide spectrum. The system needs to be sustainable for future generations.

    b) An enormous publicity campaign to eradicate the idea that people of 'high status' have any greater worth just because they have more money and/or power. Research has shown that 20% of CEOs and wealthy individuals are full blown psychopaths, and the rest are more or less on hte spectrum. The exception are artists of various types - writers, actors, etc. This is why Hollywood tends to be liberal. We need to see the super wealthy for what they are - psychopaths feeding off the rest of humanity.

    c) Understand that there is no such thing as a 'work ethic.' It's just a brainwashing tool used by those who want cheap labour. Rest if vital to happy human beings, and 20 hours per week is more than sufficient labour. We also now have AI and robots. There is no reason for many human being to work 40 hours to 60 hours per week, end up with diabetes, obesity, depression, etc. We need to become fully human, and that means humane.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image87
      MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Quite an interesting thesis. I think it merits putting into a hub.

    2. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This society is ever changing.    We have become more computerized.  Even a bachelor's degree is not enough to obtain a middle class lifestyle. Studies show that many college graduates are in jobs that don't require a college education.   To add, there are those w/GRADUATE degrees working in Mcjobs.    Only those w/specialized degrees &/or who have family connections get the plumb jobs.   The rest are middling, even struggling.

      The middle class lifestyle as we know it is slowly dwindling.  In the future, there will be only TWO classes, the very rich & the very poor.  My late mother said this 4 decades ago.  Now, I see it.   The rich are becoming even richer while the rest are becoming poorer, especially the middle class who have generalized education & skills.

      1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
        TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        The middle classes, in countries which converted to unregulated capitalism (laissez-faire) have seen a massive disappearance of the middle classes during the last 30 or 40 years. They have also seen in enormous increase in wealth in the upper clases.

        That is the outcome of neo-liberalism, and certainly, there will only be two classes left. Currently, America is the most difficult country in the world to move from the lower socio-economic demographics to a higher one.

        That is precisely why I said that a new economic system needs to be designed. Economic systems are systems of production and distribution, and the current system of production and distribution (economic system) benefits a few and enslaves the many.

    3. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Your statement of the 20 hour work week is interesting.  A "good" job in the US requires about 35 hours per week; you're saying that should be cut to 20 hours.

      If factories making computers or cars shut down after 20 hours will we have enough computers and cars?

      If schools shut down after 20 hours, will children be educated?

      If farmers stop after 20 hours will we still have enough to eat?

      If power plants close after 20 hours will we still have power?

      If water treatment plants stop cleaning water after 20 hours will we still have water?

      If road repair stops after 20 hours each week, will we still have usable roads in a decade?

      The answer to all of these, of course, is a resounding "No".  What you are requiring is a massive influx of additional labor to make up the other 15 hours per week, meaning that we need far more computers, cars, teachers, electricity, water and everything else to support them.  AI and robots simply cannot take up the slack for neither is anywhere near as good as a human worker.  Yet.  They may be one day, but they cannot simply replace humans in all the various tasks people perform.

      You are assuming a utopia, pie-in-the-sky civilization can be had with very little effort, and it cannot.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Not a bad idea for some retired people.

      2. TessSchlesinger profile image60
        TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Um. No. There are 7.5 billion people on this planet, plus computerisation, plus AI, plus robots. That is a massive amount of labour. One of the reasons that virtually every country has only sufficient jobs for 75% of the people (and most of those are unnecessary jobs), is because there aren't sufficient jobs for everybody.

        I don't know what you mean by a 'good job.' Does that mean one that pays sufficient money? Well, one should be paid enough money to survive and live well on 20 hours per week. The only people it will affect 'negatively' are the super rich. … index.html … rks/147605

        Research has shown repeatedly that people do exactly the same amount of work in 20 hours that they do in 40 hours.

        Most work in factories is one by robots, and that is increasing. In fact, most people are being replaced by computerisation and robots. … 113030.htm … inty-oecd/

        Education isn't work. I said 'work' 20 hours per week. In terms of education, we need life long education. I have never stopped learning in my life. I have, at least, an inch of qualifications in many different fields. Learning should never stop, and one of the reasons we should only have a 20 hour week (apart from human health) is so that we can continue to learn for the rest of our lives.

        If you check the historical records, farmers only used to work 20 hours per week until the industrial revolution. If fact, I know many farmers. They don't actually physically work. Much of farming is done by machinery these days. One doesn't have to sit and watch a tree grow. The work is done in spurts - planting and harvesting are probably the most intense labour, and a lot of this is done through machinery. So, yes, the world will be fed.

        Power plants are automated for the most part, and energy is produced without human input. What do you think solar panels and windmills do?

        America will not have usable bridges, etc. in another 10 years because the money is spent on weapons of war and not civil infrastructure, but that has nothing to do with labour. However, yes, 20 hours of work, people each working 4 hour shifts, will absolutely and utterly keep the civil infrastructure going.

        Your real objection isn't against the feasibility of this. It's against the idea of it - it undermines the precious Calvinst 'work ethic' which is pure drivel.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image75
          Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          The greatest human struggle I've observed in life. Is that the majority of people don't like their work. If you don't like your job, your not going to do good in general.

          Most jobs are 5 days on, 2 days off.
          If you deeply like or love your work. One hour can seem like 5min or feel like your playing.

          Being and entrepreneur all my life I may work 40 to 60 hours or more. Because I mix bussiness and pleasure, it's like having alot more freedom and joy than most.
          If you don't like your work even 20 hour can feel like 40 or 50 or more. Rarely anyone I know can make a living on just 20 hr a week. When your working smarter rather than longer and harder, you can adjust your lifestyle balance and hours to please yourself.

          I do know one thing, if you don't love your work, you will not master life, Majority people I know spend most of their waking hours of their lives, not liking what they do. Can't think of anything else that would be more wasted time in life, than that.

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
            TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Between 75% to 95% of people hate their work - depending on which country they live in.

            Here's why.

            1. They are working for jerks who insist that they do work that is unnecessary, that they weren't paid to do, and/or they work for bullies.

            2. They don't want to work those long hours because it's eating up their lives. They would rather do other things.

            Here's the issue with 'you have to love your work.' Somebody has to pick up the dirt, cook the cucumbers, etc. There isn't a magical pie-in-the-sky event where there are people born who love cleaning the streets, other people born who love pickign up dog shit, etc.

            The bottom line is that there are only a few nice jobs around, and there are far too many people to take them.

            For the record, no offence meant, but I don't have a high opinion of entrepreneurs.


            1. They are generally selling products that were produced by damanging our earth.

            2. They are generally employing and underpaying other people.

            3. They aren't really bringing any real value to our world.

            4. They seem to think that they are smarter, cleverer than other people. They aren't.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image75
              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              When 85% of working stiffs dislike their work. Show me  your pros list for working stiffs. From my experience and studies, stiffs are screwed like sheep and sheep dogs force by a system.

              We must be living in a totally different worlds. Entrepreneur veteran artist I know, all likes it or majority love their work.

              Generally entrepenurs works similar hrs and have more time for personal choirs. For over 40 years, I refused 80% of my clients over money or unethical practices. Only 2% are bad clients, for me to get rid of. Stiffs seldom have the money like entrepreneure to hire for things they don't like to do.
              Most Stiffs are a few paychecks from being homeless, I"ve stuggled at times yet, won't ever be homeless.

              I'll give you my list on entrepenurs pros. Then you give me your list on pros of the working stiffs. List on it's way.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image75
                Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Entrepeneurs pros list base on own experience and working with other entrepenurs, done a little stiff work

                1. Full control over your destiny, bow down to no bully. No one stand in my way of vision, innovatorness & imagination. 
                2.Employees are part of a family. Offering help to fellow entrepreneurs and employees. I stop no one from advanceing & give them many opportunities.
                3. My team of like-minded individuals share the same drive and passion.
                They wear whatever they wants.
                4. Full control over your workspace, excel creatively environment. Our plans come together with high energy that creates more energy.
                4. Your role model for other entrepreneur, or family, friends, employees and community members is motivating and inspirational.
                5. Won't be bored, challenges and  opportunities are passionate and juicy.
                6. Freedom to travel and update on Modern technology.
                7. Ideas to make something better or more efficient?
                8 Spend more time with family, ability to adjust their schedules to attend activities. 
                9 Willing to work smarter leading to being rewarded with more experiences and growth.
                10. More time for family  mixing family and business partnerships. I work alot with my daughter and sometimes with my brother.
                11. More abillity to give back to your community & the planet. Being healthier, more flexible schedule for fitness and eating nutritionsl foods.
                12 Enjoy your hobbies & more free time to do the things you love.
                13 Contribute to society directly impact with service and products. 
                14. Rarely checking the time, not like 9-to-5ers Often. I have a free art lience,
                15. Not really a boss to report to or need little approval of because I give them extra than what they expect.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
                  TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I have about an  inch of business qualifications, and I pretty much got straight As for them whether in the UK, the US, or South Africa. I also grew up in business.

                  I see the big picture - how business is destroying the world. I'm not interested in the personal happiness of a few individuals.

                  The problem with your view is that not everybody can be a business owner. There has to be labour in order to allow the owner to achieve what he wants.

                  Let me repeat this, and it's not personal. I do not have one bit of respect for the arrogance and destruction caused by business owners.

              2. TessSchlesinger profile image60
                TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Here's the difference between the way you get your information and the way I get my information.

                You base your world view on what you observe in your very limited world. I base my world view on statistics gathered by scientists from around the world.

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                People hate their work because they don't like being told what to do and they don't like being paid peanuts for the stress they endure.

                The people with the least stress in the world and the happiest in their work are small business owners. Why? Because they get to tell people what to do and have no one telling them what to do.

                I had to google the term 'stiffs' but can't seem to find any meaning that would suit your context.

                Here's my list of working of working for other people.

                1. A small paycheck at the expense of one's health, happiness, and sanity.

                Here's my list of advantages of being an entrepreneur.

                1. Being better off financailly at the expense of consumers and labour, and the destruciton of the planet.

                Please understand my parents owned a very successful business, and that they were able to send myself and my siblings to the most expensive private schools in the country. I did not come from a poor home and mixed with the upper middle, the rich, and the very rich. I grew up hearing business jargon.

                I dropped out of that world when I was 25 because I disliked the contempt with which entrepreneurs held the rest of humanity, the arrogance of thinking they were superior, and the harm they were doing in their business practice to the environment. I also disliked the fact that business routinely cheated me. Sure there are business people that are honest, but they are the exception - not hte rule.

                Essentially, business owners have a 20% rate of full blown psychopathy while the general population only has one. That's because, in general, to make money, one has to underpay labour and overcharge on products. That's unethical.

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          You're right - it is a massive amount of labor, even after deducting the young, the infirm and the elderly.  It is also an even more massive total number of people to support.

          Yes, it means a job that pays enough to live comfortably on.  But who are you to say it should pay enough for all employees to live, regardless of their needs, and do it with 20 hours/week of production?  Certainly not the owner that is paying that labor.  And if you think doubling wages will negatively affect only the super rich you obviously have never owned a business, for no small business could survive that and they aren't owned by the super rich.

          I rather doubt that teachers would agree that teaching is not "work".  Certainly none that I know would.

          I don't need to check historical records to know that farmers work far more than even 40 hours per week - I worked a farm for many years and know better.  Yes, planting is a spurt.  Then comes irrigation and fertilization, along with weeding and pest control.  Then harvest and transportation to the buyer.  Then comes ground preparation for the next crop, followed (in winter where I was), maintenance and repair of buildings, machinery and fencing.  It is never ending, and farmers do not simply sit around most of the time.

          You've obviously never worked a power plant, either, for power is NOT produced without human input.  Someone builds them, someone maintains them.  Someone maintains the lines carrying power and someone does simple things like painting and cleaning them. 

          Again, you are obviously completely ignorant of road maintenance.  I lived in a private community with 33 miles of paved road and, as president of the HOA doing budgets and maintenance, guarantee that if constant maintenance is not done the roads will become unusable. 

          No, my objection is based on real life experience doing these things, for I KNOW that they cannot be done in accordance to your Utopian dream.  Only if we could double the number of workers can all this be produced and maintained, and that means doubling the requirements of the population.  Or putting all the children, elderly and disabled to work alongside us.

          I'll just add one thing - your ignorance of the work force shows just in the concept of 4 hour shifts, for every time work starts and stops there is considerable loss of production.  Whether that means machinery must be warmed up before work begins or the door needs unlocked and lights turned on, production is always lost.

  5. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    16.Greater challenges and passionate experiences you won't find anywhere else. No career hamster wheel. you wear multiple hats and play a variety of roles. 
    18. If business slows down, have other irons in the fire. With diversity, it will not die, making adjustments to survive, it more often theives. 
    19. Work with brilliant minds & connect with intelligent people worldwide in team an relationships. Create a legacy of a successful life in personal and business. My favorite thing to carve is a smile  to millions of people. 
    20. Most entrepreneures I know are more unique rather than fighting the competitions all the time.
    21. No age barrier, your mind is utilized from ideas, responsibility, to dreams with deadlines. Did it!!!! my waaayyy
    No blame game. Knowing most important decision have  plan A ,& B with motivation daily.
    22.  Your not undervalued. no worries your ideas will make it because not many higher position or suggestions to stop you and there is always other clients who will like your idea.

  6. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    23. Greater challenges and passionate experiences you won't find anywhere else. No career hamster wheel. you wear multiple hats and play a variety of roles. 
    24. If business slows down, have other irons in the fire. With diversity to not die, making adjustments to survive more often theives. 
    25. Work with brilliant minds & connect with intelligent people worldwide in teams and relationships. Create a legacy of a successful life in personal and business. My favorite thing to carve is a smile  to millions of people. 
    26. Most entrepreneures I know are more unique rather than fighting the competitions all the time.
    27. Making people happy and you never hit a ceiling. Stiff have a growth cap, only advance so far. Entrepreneur, no growth ceiling and loving it makes the money come easier, it’s a win-win situation.
    28. Feeling appreciated in a positive way. Having your own security system and controlling your own destiny. Don't stress over wrong people in charge of your life.Constantly learning good lessons, education that you can’t get in a classroom. 
    No fears of downsizing or layoff, stiff get this all the time, this stressfulness can take a decade or two off your life

  7. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago


    29. You push the envelope, no boundaries to create, you invent brilliant ideas. No end to curiosity where stiffs curiosity can kill a cat,
    30. Be your own best leader in the world.
    No more boring meetings, nobody to blame but yourself. Mediation and press acknowledgement fuels your inner fire and great promotions. Your provider for employees, services & growth as an individual and entrepreneur is behind it. 
    31. Solving problems had much to do with your happiness. Solve any problem in front of you a
    With resourcefulness
    32. Feels like hard play, not work. Even a few of your disabilities can’t stop you. Endless life experiences, travel & meet different people all the time. You develop to take a punch and give it. Walk on the wild side, live life to the fullest. Dream big without dream you may loose your mind.  Make your own chances for Luck, been lucky in love and in life .

    Can you beat mine with a list over 32 pros about working stiffs?

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
      TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I didnt' read them.

      I'm not interested.

      I have an inch full of business qualificaitons.

      I've owned my own business.

      My sister owned her own business.

      My mother owned her own business.

      My father owned his own business.

      Everybody's parents I grew up with owned their own business.

      I think business destroys our environment and makes workers miserable. I don't care how happyt business owners are. They are happy and successful at the expense of the rest of humanity.

      I find it interesting that you spend so much time on hubpages. I don't know any successful business owners who spend time on the web writing things. I can see no evidence of your success anywhere. We don't know who you are or what you do, so we only have your word for it, and I have enough experience of the world - the international world - to know that people who are highly successful would not be commenting on hubpages!

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        One thing we can agree on , is running a smaller businesses is easier on the Earth's footprint and balanced relationship.

        Don't support Corporationism and never was myself. I
        Don't fully Expose myself here, because dedicating the last 10 years to legalizing Marijuana as the best known medicine on the planet. Also building tiny house eco communities leave me between huge grey areas to being Illegal, yet things are booming now.

        The synthetic world dose not play fair. Poverty and environmental go hand and hand are the two greatest killers. It is dream with deadlines to focus on the green Revolution.  Posted 3 about Greta and some about Religion because my last few christain girlfriends dumped me because I can not be saved.

        I't seems our experiences with our own circles, has not been the same. The most successful, happy entrepreneur and environmentist I know of, are anarchists. Labels don't stick on me, whatever works. If in anyway our group adds to the gross national product of happiness. We will be further happiness and continue of as grass root pioneers from the bottom up and love it. Happiness has most to do with solving problems. Like with health and carrying no regrets. Money has the least to do with happiness.

        From leaving 20 full time employees and a hundred sand and snow sculptors contractors to downsizing to a environment bussiness. Gives me lots more time to write explore, share and vent. If you don't like it, I care enough to say, tough.

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
          TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Here's what we can agree on:

          1. People are happier being in control of their own destiny, and running a small business gives one that capacity.

          2. We appear both to be environmentalists, agree that corporations are highly destructive, appear to have humanist rather than tribal values.

          3. We both like tiny houses, and you may or may not be a minimalist. You can fit all my stuff into two large trunks and three small suitcases. My eco-print is very small.

          I've had many different experiences, and that's one of hte reasons I know that personal experience isn't what we assess a situation by. That's when we go to science, research, statistics, polls, etc. and we see what percentage of people do what...

          1. Castlepaloma profile image75
            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I love science and research (hope love is not just a 4 letter word) Most people need to be more careful on where they get their stats and polls.

            We are more back to being agreeable on a few most important topics.

            Starting a totally
            all natural manufacturing plant of houses 120 sq ft in eastern Canada.  Got a few 20 sq ft shelters for homeless, too small for your luggage.  On up to my 300sq ft house in Belize self sustainable water and solar. Starting another one in Colombia. All places now have very little interferences from the Government. Mostly drive an electric bike, even in the winter. Working on reducing air travel.

            1. TessSchlesinger profile image60
              TessSchlesingerposted 3 years agoin reply to this



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