2020 G-7 Summit Will Be At Doral

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  1. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 4 months ago

    Whooeee! I love it. The Democrats are going to have a caniption fit.

    Acting Chief-of-staff Mulvany announced and explained this decision at a press conference today.

    Now, I have to innocently and facetiously ask what is the president's message?

    GA

    1. IslandBites profile image86
      IslandBitesposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      That you love it is sad.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        No matter the reason I love it?

        GA

        1. IslandBites profile image86
          IslandBitesposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Yes.

          Have fun.

    2. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      The Democrats? How about anyone who respects the Constitution?

      Can Trump be any more obvious with violating the emoluments clause?

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Does that mean you are valuing prestige as an emolument?

        GA

    3. crankalicious profile image90
      crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Mulvaney also announced that the call with Ukraine was indeed a quid pro quo. Thoughts?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, Mulvaney gave the Impeachment Inquiry proof of a quid pro quo today even as Trump was trying to save his ass with the Turkey invasion. Face it, Trump has a gang of idiots running our country.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          The dumbest and most sociopathic bunch of low-lifes can still dupe the 40%.  Wow.

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        But he didn't admit it as a quid pro quo relative to election interference.

        GA

    4. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Not sure how one can answer your question.  No one knows what  the president is thinking from one moment to the next. Has he tweeted on the subject as of yet?

      Part of his agenda was to bring and keep money in America. Could his message be he feels he will be saving taxpayers money by having the G7 at Doral? It's been reported Doral would not profit monetarily and cost less than the  12 others that were looked at. Doral was the also the best fit in regards to not only cost but the property would be easier to secure the safety of diplomates.  Plus the accommodations would allow private villas to accommodate each county's guests providing privacy.

      Not sure if this would be an emolument problem?  I will leave that up to all the legal touts. I am sure of one thing if it does pose an emolument problem, and it can be proven to do so fret not we the taxpayers will be allowed to cut off our noses to spite our faces. 

      Ultimately this is a sticky situation, and not sure one can assign a message to his madness...  His message just may just be very simple. He may just want to show off a beautiful  American property and providing a fabulous visit to America's guests. Too simple is it not? Well, I have opened up some food for thought with nothing but my views, my opinion. I will be interested in other views on the subject.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        And Doral comes with free bed bugs in every room. This should please the world leaders. yikes

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        As you frequently say, 'We are all entitled to our opinions.' Mine is that this was a very purposeful act of distraction and arrogance.

        It seems even his former buddy Scarimucci(?) sees it that way also. In an interview, he called it Trump being Trump - "Big Footing," (as in the unproven Big Foot sightings), the issue to distract from another real issue.

        My point was that, (because I don't see any illegality in the decision), this Doral thing is small potatoes. I think there are more real and more important issues, (like the Ukraine thing), to be focused on. Yet here they are, screaming about an, (yet another?), ethics issue. Do the Democrats really need more of those arrows in their quiver?

        If I were a Democrat my response would be to just shake my head in bewilderment that it never seems to end and get back to the more important business of the Ukraine issue.

        GA

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          If I were a Republican I'd be calling for impeachment. Or, like my husband, would abandon a party that would support such a corrupt, incompetent POS.

          If....

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            There you go mincing words again. It is hard to tell how you really feel. ;-)

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              That was me holding back. ;-)

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          "purposeful act of distraction and arrogance."  Oh yes, that and more.  He is a pro at turning the media in the direction he hopes them to travel, along with the Dem's and his base.

          Yes, I agree the Dem's would be smart to focus on their impeachment inquiry and Ukraine and let this one pass with good speed.  I have given up predicting when it comes to Trump. I will predict his win in 2020, if nothing too drastic comes up down the road.

        3. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Will Trump take notice of the Democrat's screams and back off, choosing a different location?  One that costs far more, with far more security necessary, and then "leak" the extra dollars spent as "Look what the Democrats forced us to spend that we didn't need to!")?

          Just a thought...

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Since when does Trump care about the Democrats' screams? He has already backed off, but it was because of Republican protests, not Dems.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              As usual you missed the entire thought train.  It was not about trashing Trump; it was about a possible strategy he might be using to show Democrats care more about harming his presidency than they do about running the country properly.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Lol, okay. Glad to see he develops strategies for the really important things like that.

                roll

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  It's the way of politics.  Just like the second attempt to find enough dirt to impeach him; politics all the way without regard to the country, truth or justice.

                  At least (if that IS his plan) he will have facts and figures to support him, not the word of a "whistleblower" that never witnessed anything at all.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    So how do you know the whistleblower "never witnessed anything at all," Dan? I didn't realize you had access to such closely protected info. roll

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Hmm . . .  you might be right. Since Doral has now been nixed we will have the opportunity to see if your "thought" has merit.

            GA

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I believe the bedbug infestation at Doral may have played a significant role in the decision, GA. Imagine the world leaders with bites all over their bodies after the first night there. Could cause another war....    tongue

    5. TessSchlesinger profile image94
      TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Your hatred of Democrats says everything about you.

      The point is that the decision is corrupt. That you are okay with corruption says a lot about you. If you don't think it's corrupt, that also says a lot about you.

      You need to stop hating Democrats and start some deep inner resear h to question your own values.

    6. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Well, the G7 will not be held at Doral...  What were the president's intentions, what was his message?  From what I have learned from a few other more conservative places I join in --  Many are pleased he dropped the offer, but also upset and discussed that we have to pay for the party. Sort of nose to spite the face attitude. Nothing gets the base more ginned than something that just makes no sense. I would say Trump's message reached the right ears. Just saying

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I hear what you are saying Sharlee. I am beginning to think this particular "shiny thing" might be a win-win for President Trump.

        It definitely put the Democrat reactions in the spotlight, and now with its cancellation, they are left empty-handed. It also gave his base something to say "Amen" to when he says things like he did today to reporters about "doing it for free," and since it was cancelled I think it will fade to a non-issue--either way--for Independents and Moderates.

        I am thinking Wilderness might have a point. When a site is selected, I bet the costs will be promoted as a major news story.

        GA

        1. Valeant profile image96
          Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          The only thing it exposed is that people like you believe Trump's lies that he wasn't going to get anything of value by promoting his facilities.  And Florida in June would be like hosting the G7 in Minneapolis in the heart of winter.  Doubt that was going to be such a great experience for world leaders. 

          And that's great that Trump supporters are so worried about ridiculous government spending, now all you have to do is have Trump skip a few golf trips, considering that cost is equal to 108 million or about 30 years of presidential salary.

          Your selective rage on that topic is comical.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this



            Truly astounding.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          GA, yes at each and every Rally Trump will remind his crowds that the G7 would have been free, but will also remind them they will now foot the bill. One never knows they may even come up with a chant?  The Dem's have a tiger by the tail, funny they just don't comprehend that. 

          I have many liberal friends and family, my own little finger on the pulse so to say.  This latest Doral stunt has them split. Most stating free is always good...

          1. Valeant profile image96
            Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Wait, is this like I won't have time to golf?  $108 million in taxpayer funded golf later, with portions of that going to his own businesses...

            The fact that you believe his claim of free only proves that you're gullible and that those at his rallies don't have a grasp on what Trump says versus what Trump actually does.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I did not indicate I believed Trump's statement to pay for the G7? I did not indicate I thought he would or would not pay for the G7. So why you find you have to call me gullible is beyond me...   I was commenting on a specific subject. He asked what did we think the message was Trump was sending? The message GA asked way back before this thread turned to a free for all. 

              I am not going to discuss Trump's golfing expenses. If you hope to discuss that subject post a thread on the subject.

              1. Valeant profile image96
                Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Fact - Trump said he would not have time to golf.
                Fact - Trump has cost the US government over $100 million is expenses for golfing, with portions of that going to his own businesses.

                Fact - Trump lied about not golfing and is personally profiting from his position.

                Denial - You think he would not do this again with the G7.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I am still realling from your last comment where you make claims about my believing Trump would pay for the G7. Calling me gullible. here is my comment which statement indicates I claimed Trump would pay for the G7?

                  "GA, yes at each and every Rally Trump will remind his crowds that the G7 would have been free, but will also remind them they will now foot the bill. One never knows they may even come up with a chant?  The Dem's have a tiger by the tail, funny they just don't comprehend that.

                  I have many liberal friends and family, my own little finger on the pulse so to say.  This latest Doral stunt has them split. Most stating free is always good..." Let's clear this up before moving on. My head does not spin as quickly as yours... Please slow down and clear this up...

                  Your comments are bordering on baiting... L

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    First off, what is realling?  Did you mean reeling?

                    When one covers an expense, I believe that is called paying for things.  That would make the event free, a word you brought up, not myself or Randy.

                    And my pointing out that Trump made a claim that there would be no golf expenses if people like you voted for him, and now he has cost the government over $100 million dollars, shows that you are willing to believe his falsehoods about not using his position to benefit himself.

                    Any claim he makes about at cost or 'free' as you mention should not be trusted, except by the gullible.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            At cost is not free, people. Even at cost it would be very expensive. What are you people thinking?   roll

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Not sure you read the ongoing conversation I was having with GA? We have been discussing his original question.  "Now, I have to innocently and facetiously ask what is the president's message?"

              I was simply staying that his message just may have been meant to gin up his base, And as I said above it just may have turned out as he believed it would. ---- each and every Rally Trump will remind his crowds that the G7 would have been free or at cost, but will also remind them they will now foot the bill.

              I have no argument or even the knowledge of the cost of what the G7 would have cost at full price or at cost. One could not compare unless we knew the new venue where it will be held. I might add at cost might have been less expensive if I wanted to speculate. Which I don't, but you can bet many in his base will.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                lol You are one of his base, Shar! Trump isn't bright enough to keep his mouth shut, but his base will try to explain every lie he tells as an innocent blunder or a brilliant move.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  No, I don't consider myself part of his base. He certainly was bright enough to win the presidency. I think you underestimate his ability in regards to politicking. I sit back and view from the sidelines, and yes sometimes he makes epic blunders, but sometimes he calculates what his blunders will produce, rhetoric, base support. He is very good at putting down well-laid traps.

                  1. promisem profile image96
                    promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Just out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being very liberal and 10 being very conservative, how would you rate yourself?

  2. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 4 months ago

    Why do you love it? Are you channeling Ed, aka ahorseback?

    1. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      No, it's because I have a bag of marshmallows that was getting stale. Now there is sure to be a fire I can roast them on.

      GA

  3. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 4 months ago

    They'll be a bunch happy on the Right as they don't care at all about the Emoluments Clause or the criminality of the cretin.

  4. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 4 months ago

    The comments, so far, prove I was right. A caniption fit.

    Sad . . .
    Channeling Ed . . .
    Emoluments clause . . .
    Duped sociopathic bunch of low-lifes . . .
    Respect the Constitution . . .


    Yet no one answered my innocent "message" question.

    How about some more gas for the fire . . .

    But, but, they are doing it at cost, no profit.
    It is an ideal location that would have been anyone's first choice if it didn't have the Trump connection.

    Here is what I think is sad - the lure of shiny objects. I can't imagine Pres. Trump as a fisherman, but it looks like he would be a good one. Or, at least a good lure maker.

    GA

    1. dianetrotter profile image66
      dianetrotterposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      He says he won't make anything on it.  Bull!  He may not make a profit.  Who knows.  However, there are so-called fixed cost.  Fixed costs go on whether you have business or not.  The group that shows up will contribute, at least, to the fixed costs:  mortgage, salaries and taxes.

      So the business will subsidize his financial obligations.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Hi Diane. It looks like you and Randy should put your heads together to prove Pres. Trump did this to make money. (only jokingly sarcastic, not mean sarcastic ;-))

        Between his seasonal occupancy logic and your fixed costs, it seems Trump might get nailed for making money off of this after all.

        GA

  5. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 4 months ago

    Folks, from the looks of your comments, none of you read what was said in the OP, you just reflexively reacted to the thought that you thought was there.

    GA

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hmm, so you "love" that Trump is thumbing his nose at those who still believe ethics in government is a principle worth saving.

      I'm saddened, just like Islandbites, because you pretend to not enjoy the fray, even to be above the fray, yet here you are, cheering on a clear ethical violation because....because it bothers people?

      Sorry, but yuck.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Does the news that June is the worst month for Doral having guests in the resort make a difference, Gus? It would remain otherwise deserted if Trump didn't fill it with foreign dignitaries, like his other failing properties are depending on now. This is obvious criminality, and I'm calling it such. Get your yuks though!

      1. dianetrotter profile image66
        dianetrotterposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        It definitely impacts fixed costs.

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I am getting my "yuks" Randy. Just look how far the yeah buts . . . are going. Now you are using seasonal occupancy as a justification and proof of your charge.

        GA

    3. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      That's right up there with the realization that water is wet.

  6. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 4 months ago

    First things first; I do always enjoy the "fray." Why would I participate in these forums if I didn't? Surely you don't think that I think I have the answers and wisdom to know better than everyone else. (at least I hope you don't) Also, I have never thought I was "above the fray," I just make an effort to choose how deep into the mud I will go.

    You are also wrong to think that I don't think ethics are important. I do, and I think this location choice was politically unethical, but that was not the point of my OP.

    I don't think he "thumbed his nose" at anyone, I think it was an in-your-face verticle digit.

    But you did get the "bothers people" part right. I think he knew exactly what he was doing and exactly what reaction it would draw from the Democrats.

    I also think that there is nothing illegal about his choice. With no monetary profits made the only emoluments charge will be one of a profit of prestige. That might fly in the Court of Congress and political circles and forums, but I don't think it will work in the court of public opinion. Especially when it seems the accommodations of the facility are excellently suited for the event and would have been an applauded choice if there was no Trump connection.

    I would bet that in the public of Moderates and Independents it draws no more than a shake of their head, but for anti-Trumpers, it is just one more nail in his coffin, one more outrage, one more shiny thing to chase.

    You can certainly criticize him for an apparent unethical action, (perhaps like Huner Biden's choice can appear to be unethical?), but I don't think you can prove it is an illegally unethical action.

    The only thing that saved the Democrats from more public screaming about this choice was the meatier tidbit about quid pro quo that Mulvany tossed out in the same announcement.

    GA

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not invested enough to do the research, but I would be willing to bet he violated the law. Government entities are required to get multiple bids for venues or projects that use taxpayer money and then select the most suitable and cost effective one.

      Did that happen? I don't think so.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        You could be right PrettyPanther, but, like you, I am not that invested in this issue either. However, I am sure that we will hear about it if that is a legitimate concern.

        If there is some technical illegality then he deserves what he gets for his actions.

        GA

        1. crankalicious profile image90
          crankaliciousposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Okay, so I see, GA. You're just rolling that hand grenade into the liberal's tent?

          I see it as an unethical choice. If they're not making any money, then it's probably not illegal, but I wish we had a President who realized that the appearance of impropriety is usually a good reason not to do something.

          Also, if I was him, I'd do this as sort of a marketing thing. While they may not make any money, the exposure has value, so I think that's a good reason not to do it and why it may violate the law.

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            You nailed me Crankalicious. I did roll that hand grenade. But I couldn't resist. The outcome was so predictable.

            Of course, I think it was an unethical choice, but, with the information I have so far, I do not think it was an illegal choice.

            My point was that this was Trump at his most Trunpiest. I think he knew the firestorm he would create, and I think he knew that there was nothing illegal about it, (nothing in the mind of a non-Democrat or political partisan - or legitimate court of law) - he just tossed out another shiny lure to bait the Democrats.

            Except for Mulvaney's press conference comments, this latest shiny lure would have taken the attention off of the Ukraine thing for at least a couple of news cycles.

            As painful as it may be for some to admit, I think he deserves some credit for knowing which manipulation buttons to push - and when to push them.

            GA

    2. dianetrotter profile image66
      dianetrotterposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      GA, it is much more complicated than the quid quo pro.  My head is spinning.  There is a Russian mobster that the US has been trying to extradiate to the US.  https://www.propublica.org/  This involves the Trump super pact which one of the arrested mobsters was handling as well as Fox attorney commentators, the De Genovas.

      The gangster did provide evidence on Biden.  The State Department would not let him in.  Rudy G. went to the WH for help and still couldn't get him in.  Doral is a distraction or a sidebar.

      I'm going to have to sketch story boards to keep up with this.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Interesting article Diane. Thanks.

        ps. Better get a big piece of poster board for that storyboard - you will need the space ;-)

        GA

    3. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      "I would bet that in the public of Moderates and Independents it draws no more than a shake of their head, but for anti-Trumpers, it is just one more nail in his coffin, one more outrage, one more shiny thing to chase.'

      This statement jumped out at me, made me really think about your question "what is the president's message?"  One more nail in the coffin, but whose coffin?  Trump keeps his base well aware of Dem's aptitude to become hysterical over shiny objects. He is well aware his base also looks at these hyper reactions as nonsensical.  Does all the public screaming give Trump another good opportunity to not only gin up the base but also have some on the fringe looking once again at the hysterical left drumming up more controversy to get rid of a duly elected president? The general public appears or should I say might be tired of all the hype, as well as the gridlock it is causing in Washington.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        The general public is indeed weary of all the attempts by your leader to further enrich himself on his failing properties by filling them up off govt funds. Why is this so hard for those on the right to see?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          The city council of my little town just got all up in arms over a $160 check that was written to a contractor for services at our local visitor's center, which I manage. Why? Because the check was made out  to "S. [last name]." My name is " Sandra [same last name]," so they assumed I paid myself. They were very concerned until they found out it was "Sam [same last name.]"

          People don't think it's okay for government officials to enrich themselves with taxpayer money, no matter how small. It's wrong.

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            This is a great way to illustrate the point. I'm sure that wasn't much fun for you though.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, a little stressful but that has been the case all along with this particular city council. I gave my notice just before we left on our three-week vacation and cruise, which allowed me to freely enjoy it. Our current council is driven by petty, small-minded control freaks who are doing real damage to many long-standing organizations in our community. It's pretty sad.

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                That is a shame. I hate to hear these stories. Our city has had two officials put in prison this past year. The mayor, and the city Sanitary Department are still being investigated by the FBI for various wrong-doings, generally stealing from taxpayers. We have a moral hole and a level-headed leader is needed to even attempt to right our flailing ship.

      2. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I see your point Sharlee, but I don't think his base needs ginning up, and rather than influence some fence-sitters in his favor, I think his actions will push them away. Because I agree with you, most of us are tired of this day-in-day-out political circus we are bombarded with.

        We don't have time to consider the serious issues because Trump casts out another shiny lure each day. And then we have to watch the anti-Trumpers go chasing after it like the dog track racers chasing the mechanical rabbit.

        GA

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          You've made me once again have to rethink my comment. You have a valid point in regard to those on the fence. One just never knows. The circus atmosphere is getting old, and tiring.

          What serious issues? Do we still have problems that need solving? Being sarcastic....

        2. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          GA, your consistent defense of Trump places you to the right of Republican leadership, which means far right.

          I don't think anti-Trumpers are like dumb dogs who chase after shiny lures. In fact, they seem to have quite a bit of respect for the law.

          It's also wrong for us to ignore many of Trump's unethical and illegal actions because we are tired of them.

          But I'm sure Trump and Trump lovers would like us to.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

            "It's also wrong for us to ignore many of Trump's unethical and illegal actions because we are tired of them."

            It does not appear the Dem/Congress is ignoring what they feel are crimes? They have opened an investigation/inquiry. However, so far President Trump has not been charged with anything. It might be wise to see what the inquiry turns up before condemning Trump with crimes that have gone unproven to date. If there are crimes or misdemeanors I am sure the Dem's inquiry will find them. However, I think it unethical to charge anyone of a crime and then search for evidence. This inquiry is a day late and a buck short... They have had three years to pin something on him, just will not happen. It seems foolish and a waste of time. It does keep the Dem's in the news. However, I think it will, in the end, backfire, like all their other ploys.  They are playing a very risky game.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I was referring to GA's previous statements and not the Democrats.

              Trump's own people have already pinned plenty on him. They are taking him down much more than the Democrats.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Not sure if anyone is bringing him down? I would think the election will speak volumes.

            2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
              TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Wow.

              And Wow!

              You don't get that the Dems just don't know where to start - the the problems with Trump are so immense that they cannot find a beginning? That Trump is so atypical that there is nothing in the rule book that even begins to bring an exact charge against him.

              Any sane, logical, well adapted person can see he is a criminal.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                They have had three years to "start", and I hesitate to say they will have 4 more. It does not bode well for the Dem's to not be able to back up all of what Trump has been accused of. If any of it's true, it will be easy to prove. If not they should not have traveled down that path. One should not be charged with a crime without proof.  This appears to be a  political ploy, that will end badly.  Once again another waiting game. Really not a subject to discuss too deeply, it's going to end with one side or the other with lots of egg on their faces.

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  It's not that it can't be proven.

                  There are several things in the way.

                  1. Most liberals (I'm a progressive) are weak-minded. They sort of have ideals, but they are of the sort "Don't hit the bully - because then you're the same as the bully." As a progressive, I'm very into hitting bullies hard, because that's the only way to get rid of the bully.

                  2. Corruption is so rife in the American system that most politicians (Democratic and Republican) cannot accuse someone of something without having three fingers pointing back at them. So they are covering their butts by not pointing too sharply. This is why AOC is so refreshing. Then, again, she is a progressive. Progressives kick butt.

                  Change is coming. Storm is coming. Winter is coming... smile

          2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
            TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            It boggles my mind that Trump supporters have no shame. They seem to think that because there are so many of them that might makes right.

            As this article in a British newspaper points out, the question isn't about Trump's lack of ethics, etc. it's how so many Americans voted for him.

            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … tionalism?

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I strongly disagree with the article. Trump got into office because of a massive propaganda campaign by Russia and billionaire extremists (for different reasons).

              The evidence is overwhelming.

              The same thing happened in Britain with Brexit.

              Putin is delighted with how much he has screwed up both countries with the help of Rupert Murdoch and others.

              1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Sorry, I don't believe that.

                There were actually very few people that were affected by the Russian campaign. It was too small to reach most. That came out a while ago.

                But even if Russia waged that kind of campaign, how stupid are the people affected by it that they believed it?

                Only ignorant people believe the kind of posts on facebook that the supposed cause.

                Those posts came my way. I saw them. I knew they were rubbish just by looking at their content and checking a few things.

                That is the danger of having an ignorant, uneducated, religious society.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  If if wasn't effective, Russia wouldn't bother. But they are doing it again with the 2020 election. That undeniable fact doesn't agree with your opinion.

                  Otherwise, it sounds like you are saying the U.S. is "an ignorant, uneducated, religious society."

                  That's a sweeping generalization and quite inaccurate. It's also very insulting.

                  1. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                    TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this
              2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Sure, but a bunch of people fell for the propaganda. People must take some responsibility for discerning reality from illusion. Many of those same people continue to deny their own eyes and ears.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I agree that people must take some responsibility for discerning reality from illusion. The reality also is that many people don't.

                2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Exactly ++++

              3. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah..I've seen a trend from some in the UK where they use Trump to pile on America as though they are better than Americans...it comes off that way at any rate. They are not far behind. In fact, they seem to be following America with Boris Johnson. Maybe it's easier to just think Americans are a bunch of bigots and it could never happen here.

                1. promisem profile image96
                  promisemposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree with you 100%. From what I have read, immigration was a major factor in causing many Brits to vote for Brexit.

                  That sounds like "white nationalism" to me.

                  "Data from Ipsos-Mori showed that immigration/migration was the most cited issue when Britons were asked 'What do you see as the most/other important issue facing Britain today?', with 48% of respondents mentioning it when surveyed."

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of … _of_Brexit

                2. TessSchlesinger profile image94
                  TessSchlesingerposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Oh, anyone who follow Boris is an idiot. Sad to say. And we just had Zuma here in South Africa but got rid of him. The similarities between Zuma and Trump were a matter of awe.

                  Seems the whole world is being run by people who are so important in their own eyes that they don't realize how small they really are.

                  1. hard sun profile image89
                    hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    "Seems the whole world is being run by people who are so important in their own eyes that they don't realize how small they really are."

                    I think this is key. Our "leaders" are now, too often, the types of people I was taught to fight against as a kid. Un-self aware bullies who think the wold of themselves. The rough part in fighting them with words is they cannot see past their own noses and generally don't even have a starting point for debate as they don't understand the debate. We used to just handle the situation on the playground after school. That's the language they understand.

                    And, I have to add I see the truth in PrettyPanther's statement, which I think does go along with your original point. We are all responsible for our own behaviors.

              4. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                "The evidence is overwhelming." If so you have no worries. I must say so far the Dem's have not proved anything that could even lead to impeachment. However, I for one will be pleased when their inquiry is complete. Hopefully, it will calm the hysteria. I can see you are passionate about your beliefs. I will be happy to accept the truth at the end of the inquiry. Hopefully, this will be a last stand for the Dem's and they will give up on looking for crimes unless the proof is there. Deciding on crime then searching to prove it just does not sit well with me.

  7. hard sun profile image89
    hard sunposted 4 months ago

    What do you think Mayor Pete would or will say about it GA? Maybe we will hear what his "level head" thinks . After all, he is a Democrat. We all know Trump is a lump of excrement.

    1. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      My crystal ball says Mayor Pete would condemn it as blatant unethical behavior unbecoming of our president. But, it also says that he wouldn't be chasing the shiny lure screaming about emolument illegalities or presidential abuse of power.

      Now, let's wait and see if my hope is accurate.

      GA

      1. hard sun profile image89
        hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I too grow weary of the everything Trump does being illegal, and the end of the world type arguments. But, I'll never grow weary of pointing out just how unethical and trashy the guy is. I'll be watching Pete closely on this one, ha. He does have a good rep in Indiana for the most part..as South Bend gained some respect since he's taken office--he did have an issue with minorities that mainly stemmed from his firing of a police chief--you may have read about that. He says he supports  $15 hour minimum wage and abolishing the electoral college. You sure you can handle that? He'd certainly represent the Hoosier state better than Mike Pence. I think his protege governor Holcolmb will lose in 2020 mainly due to his anti-marijuana stance. 

        As a follow up to Kathleen's comment; I thought the point to the OP was to be childish. After all, you rolled the hand grenade...not saying that's horrible, but, as they say...it is what it is, yo.

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I hadn't heard about his Electoral College thought. I would really like the opportunity to ask him why he thinks that. But I am not yet worried that it might happen, it would take a Constitutional Amendment, and I don't think we are there yet.

          Yes, I did toss the grenade knowing the response it would draw. But, there was also a point to be made in eliciting that expected response. I think the OP was successful. I didn't and don't think it was a childish point. However, and as previously mentioned, the other Mulvany comment--the quid pro quo thing--saved that predictable response from being even more damning because it provided a juicier target for their ire.

          Putting aside ardent Trump supporters, would you suppose I am the only one that feels this way about the daily political circus acts we are bombarded with?

          GA

          1. hard sun profile image89
            hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            I think you're right about the Electoral College, with it taking an Amendment and all.

            As far as not thinking it's a childish point, if that's your view, than what can I say? I thought maybe it could be taken as trolling, to an extent, and thus by implication a bit childish. I can only take your word that this wasn't the intention. Either way, I'm not entirely immune to the lure of childish antics now and then, so I'm not too far up on my high horse here.

            No, I don't think you're the only one that feels that way about the circus. The left-wing and the right-wing media can both be outrageous at this point, and I'm not basing this just on the Trump coverage. I cannot watch news on the TV as some of it's frustrating, to say the least, for various reasons. It's more efficient for me to read news online.

            I'm not sure circus is the best term for it anymore, but I've yet to coin, or read, anything better.

            1. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              uh oh . . . Your comment prompted me to look-up what "trolling" actually meant. Here is what I found:

              "Trolling is defined as creating discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people by posting inflammatory or off-topic messages in an online community. Basically, a social media troll is someone who purposely says something controversial in order to get a rise out of other users."

              This part worries me:

              "Basically, a social media troll is someone who purposely says something controversial in order to get a rise out of other users."

              Because I did offer that OP to get a rise out of folks. But my intent wasn't just to get a rise, it was to make a point and to start a discussion about that point.

              So maybe it was trolling and maybe it wasn't. My best defense is that I didn't intend it to be trolling. And I didn't mean to infer the circus is only a Democrat thing. I view the Republicans as just as guilty in past efforts as the Democrats are in these efforts. It is just the Democrats that are leading the parade this time.

              GA

              1. hard sun profile image89
                hard sunposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                It's my job to know trolling when I see it. Plus, acknowledging it was a "hand grenade" establishes intent. One could argue that today's circus is simply a continuation of the "Obama is the devil" narrative started by right-wing media and lobbying groups. They then transitioned that to the "Hillary is an evil witch" argument. The left media is going too far now, but I'm more concerned about other factors than their Trump coverage. (i.e. we can accept people's differences without demonizing some of the old fashioned American values that helped make us great) Trump brings it on himself. He invites it on purpose.

  8. Kathleen Cochran profile image81
    Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago

    Jeeze GA, grow up!  This is America. Not Wheel of Fortune.

    1. GA Anderson profile image92
      GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      You will have to explain that to me Kathleen. How does Wheel of Fortune fit the circumstances?

      What part of my OP, or subsequent comments do you find childish?

      GA

  9. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 4 months ago

    Trump just announced on Twitter that G-7 will not be held at Doral.

    And his announcement was very statesmanlike and dignified, of course.

  10. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 4 months ago

    I think you have your work cut out for you Valeant. Your task, if you decide to stand behind your claims, is to:

    Show where any comment I made supports your claim that I "believe Trump's lies that he wasn't going to get anything of value by promoting his facilities."

    Your insinuation that I am a Trump-supporter is just your opinion, and you are welcome to it. But, if you can't meet a simple challenge, (above), to support your claim, then maybe you also can't support that "Trump-supporter" opinion?

    BTW, who, exactly, are people like me?

    GA

    1. Valeant profile image96
      Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I can meet your simple challenge.  In my opinion, only a Trump supporter would celebrate the Democrats having an issue with Trump trying to openly violate the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Most normal people might say, 'I have an issue with a public official publicly endorsing a property he owns in violation of the law.'

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I can accept your explanation of your opinion Valeant. At least you didn't try to double-down on the claim that I believed a lie that the event would be "free."

        However, if you reread the OP, I didn't "celebrate" that the Democrats would have an issue with his plan to use Doral, I specifically noted and addressed the expected degree of the Democrat's response to his choice - "a conniption fit."

        As for what "most normal people might say . . ." I did address what I thought the ethics of the choice were in a subsequent, more explanatory response:

        "You are also wrong to think that I don't think ethics are important. I do, and I think this location choice was politically unethical, but that was not the point of my OP."
        https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/345 … ost4100775

        GA

        1. Valeant profile image96
          Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          However, if you reread the OP, I didn't "celebrate" that the Democrats would have an issue with his plan to use Doral...

          "Whooeee! I love it."

          You don't view that as celebratory?  I would clearly disagree with that.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Not to mention, describing legitimate concerns about potential violation of the constitution as "having a conniption fit." Did Republicans who expressed concerns also have a conniption fit?

            1. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              It sounds like you are saying there are no differences of degree in a response of disagreement and a response of 'Hell no!' disagreement.

              What about degrees of difference between shaking your head in disbelief and shaking your fist in disbelief?

              Do you not take "conniption fit" as a descriptor of degree?

              GA

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Lol, GA, I'm starting to wonder about you.

                May I ask you to provide a video of a Democrat having a conniption fit over this issue?

                Also, I wonder if you would characterize those 12 Republicans who already had access to the interview storming the room anyway as a "conniption fit."

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Since you asked, I am obliged to oblige:

                  A Democrat conniption fit.

                  https://hubstatic.com/14729028.png

                  And yep, in my opinion, those Storming Republicans were definitely in the throes of a group conniption fit.

                  Also, and in the spirit of being an equal opportunity offender, here is a clip of all the wise folks that knew for a fact that Donald Trump would not become president: (maybe a few of these folks should have used an "if" or "I think")

                  https://hubstatic.com/14729034.png

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Ha ha, great Cosby bit.

                    As for the other, we all obviously had too much faith in the common sense of the electorate.

                    Boy, did that minority prove us wrong!

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, it was "celebratory," but in the context of the type of issue the Democrats would have, not that they would have one.

            Here is the context you left out:

            "Whooeee! I love it. The Democrats are going to have a caniption[sic] fit."

            GA

            1. Valeant profile image96
              Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              So it wasn't celebratory.  Now you concede it is.  But it wasn't the celebratory that I think you meant.  What's next? - That there's nothing wrong with celebrating the breaking of our laws, or that others have celebrated the breaking of our laws too.

              You basically just perfectly illustrated why I find you to be of Trump supporter ilk.

              https://hubstatic.com/14726617.jpg

              1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                I agree, you have GA pegged absolutely correctly.

                After all, if you're not against him. Then you must support him, there is no grey area, there is no middle ground.

                You either recognize he is the worst evil ever to walk the earth, or you are a dupe that supports him.

                I love that so many that despise the man refuse to accept that anyone have a neutral or indifferent perspective on the man, it really forces them to make a choice one way or the other.

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  There's nothing 'neutral or indifferent' in celebrating people who have an issue when their president violates the Constitution.  But solid trolling effort as always, Ken.

              2. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                You got me Valeant. I am the guy with the backward red hat oogling the blonde.

                GA

                1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                  Ken Burgessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I thought he looked familiar...

                  Guess that's part of Trump's growing popularity, all those young woman who think the world of him, and all the guys desperate to be in their good graces.

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, that 40% approval rate among Americans sure does make him so popular.  And in response to your other post, that's down three points since the impeachment based off his Ukraine shakedown was announced.

                    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr … l-ratings/

                  2. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    yeah, I left out the part that that was you and Wilderness at the far right looking at the same blonde.

                    GA ;-)

                2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm afraid to ask what "oogling" means, Gus !  yikes

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, he wasn't old enough to be learing.

                    GA

 
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