Could not have happened to a more deserving crowd...
I hope all of them are held accountable for all that they have done in harming our Republic...
Here is the story...
https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/07/nbc- … n-epstein/
So while you attack the mainstream media, youprovide evidence from the notorious right wing rag, Daily Caller.
Why should I give that any credibility?
Everything to you is negative...
Credence, I feel for you.
At some point, you need to open up and accept the fact life is real and all sides have their good and bad days.
If the dailycaller is so bad, think about it, it would be out of business long ago.
The problem with the media in general is that it has been compromised. They have lost their credibility and integrity.
It will take the masses like you and me to get them back on track. That includes calling them out every-time they miss-represent a story or fail to report on a story...bias appears in all form.
Credence, what did you think about the video of Amy Robach?
Was that fake? Or was she being honest?
Jack, few people who read these stories are able to realize the same facts and information can be found in other publications. I've posted stories from Foxnews and people at HP just complained it was Foxnews. I would then post a story with the same facts from CNN and then crickets. Same information. So, it just proves to me that facts are not important to them.
I think it is horrific what has happened to our media in the United States. I am thankful for President Donald Trump and putting the focus on Fake News. There has been quite a bit of fake news from the mainstream media.
It is almost as if our mainstream media is being run like the Soviet-style Pravda news.
Again, this happens because certain people either don't comprehend what a fact is or don't care. Take your pick.
I will have to more car fully investigate her video to make that determination.
What else is there to investigate.
She was very clear that 3 years ago, she interviewed a women with the goods of Jeffrey Epstein...and with many famous people including Clinton and prince Andrew were implicated...
The higher up at ABC killed the story and it was never aired. She was frustrated 3 years later that the whole thing was covered up to protect people in high places. She also said she believe Epstein was killed to protect those people...which by the way, 90% of the public also believe.
He could not have committed suicide... the circumstance was just so weird.
Jack, you are negative on the predominant mainstream media that you are focusing your accusations on.
I don't give credibility to sources with obviously right wing bias no more than you would consider Slate or Salon.
Yes, we both may oppose bias, but I certainly look at both sides of the problem. But I am going to tend to believe 9 out of 10 saying the same thing over the 1 that says otherwise.
Credence, you have identified the problem in a nutshell.
So, if it is a sunny day and 9 people tell you it is cloudy, and 1 say it is sunny, you would believe the 9...
I would just look out the window and check for myself...haha
Problem is Jack we are talking about observations that short of your being on the scene neither you or I can visually identify. What observations can you really say that you observe directly in your "sunny day" analogy? If it were all that simple, we would need neither media or reporting. And, I think that we both know that, Jack.
The internet is the great equalizer. It takes a little work but the information is out there. It is not like in the old days when all we have is 3 broadcast channels and the NYT...
Now there are multiply avenues to get at the news and the truth.
You just need to know where to go and who to trust.
Don’t be fooled by the charges of left wing or right wing. The trust factor is still the same. If someone on the left or the right report something and over time, he or she is proven correct, then I am more likely to believe them...you see how this works?
It is the same as how you evaluate your acquaintances. When you first meet someone, you are more or less guarded. As time goes on, you can judge that person by his character...and slowly but surely you develop trust.
It is the same way with the media.
Well, first of all, God's wheels of cause and effect grind exceedingly slow, but exceedingly fine.
Personally, I don't follow too much news, but I read the article and reflected on the few jobs where I had been fired in my working life for far lesser offences than the person(s) in the article. More often, it simply had to do with personality conflicts.
Reporting is a two-edged sword. It can help make or break a society. People tend to believe what they read as fact. So, reporting the news carries a responsibility to present all aspects of a story. The chief editor, however, decides what constitutes a story. Readers, I hope, are tired of sensationalism.
Sexual misconduct, if any, needs to be treated like any other disease or addiction. Counseling, group support for change, and therapy. Victims of an action need the same. Healing is a process.
Cultures and individual preferences can be quite varied. What it all boils down to is respect. Was an act of sex done between consenting adults? This is hard to prove because individuals might enjoy the moment, but feel guilty or victimized afterwards.
I can't speak for the media, which is a business trying to make money. The public has to decide what to buy--turn off the TV or stop a subscription. Choose carefully the type of material in which to engage.
Yes that's all very interesting, but please explain why anyone should believe that you really care about truth and objectivity. If you cared about either, you wouldn't be able to ignore those lies told by Trump, and published in rags like the Daily Caller. So either you've stopped being a Trump supporter, or you're only pretending to care about truth because it suits you.
I think this story is mainly of interest to you and other Trump acolytes, because it's an opportunity to criticize media outlets critical of the Dear Leader. If ABC and CBS posted false stories favorable to the Administration you wouldn't say a word. I know that because lots of lies published by sections of the right wing press have been met only with your silence. Now you expect me to believe you suddenly care about truth.
Well let me ask you this. Why should I care about anything you have to say on truth and objectivity in the media, when your complete disregard for the lies told by Trump and sections of the right wing press on a daily basis, clearly demonstrates you don't care about either?
Sorry Jack, regardless of what ABC have or haven't done, being a vocal Trump supporter gives you no moral authority at all on the subject of truth and lies. In fact, a Trump supporter raising the issue of truth and objectivity is frankly a joke.
Gotta get in on the cheer leading with this one. Trump lies, then lies about the lies he just told, and then tells us that's not what we really heard. Everyone knows this by now, it's just some are less willing to accept it.
Then they pull the whataboutsim with Hillary. First, Hillary is not President. Second..no, Hillary doesn't lie on the level that Trump does. Trump's lies and general immoral/childish behavior is so bad that he cannot even keep people in positions and has trouble finding people to fill vacancies. But then, being a jerk, lying clown reflects in no way on his ability to do the job. It's insane.
I know Trumpeters hate it when anyone says this, but watching his supporters really is a glimpse into how Hitler rose to.power. The level of denial and gradual acceptance of the formerly unacceptable is scary..
Yeah. Even if you assume that Trump would never commit the atrocities that Hitler did, there's still a very valid comparison in terms of the ability of supporter's willingness to go along with whatever he says or does. The possibilities are scary.
So you see an energetic rally as indicator of a dictator?
What does that say about a Bernie Sanders rally? Or a Joe Bidden rally?
Perception is reality these days.
I see a Trump rally as patriotic Americans come together to counter the establishment of the elite, the swamp in DC, and the biased media all rolled in one. Trump is the only politician out there who is fighting for the little guy.
You guys are funny. There was a website dedicated to choosing the favorite blatant Hillary Clinton lie. I was torn between her saying she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, who is the first person to climb Mt. Everest two years after she was born and her saying she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire, when video show kids coming to the plane and greeting her with flowers. Another favorite was that Benghazi was started by a YouTube video. They are all pretty good. What is great about Hillary is she can be confronted with proof she's lying, and she'll ignore it and keep lying. After being shown her landing in Bosnia, she continued to say she landed under sniper fire for at least four more time. Those are only some of the most memorable.
I know Obama didn't commit the atrocities that Hitler did, but I think there is a very valid comparison in terms of his supporters to go along with whatever he said or did. It was a bit scary.
I know Obama didn't commit the atrocities that Hitler did, but I think there is a very valid comparison in terms of his supporters to go along with whatever he said or did. It was a bit scary.
I know you are but what am I? That's the only response you can give, and the tone is befitting of our childlike president. If you cannot see the difference between most Obama supporters and most Trump supporters, then you are only further validating my point. The may be a few that would follow Obama off a bridge, but many people, including myself would never vote for Obama if he told us he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and get away with it. Trump is off the chats loony and many of his supporters would fit right in at a Jim Jones convention.
I do see the difference between supporters of President Donald Trump and those who supported obama. Supporters of President Donald Trump love America and want to do what is best for Americans. That is why we supported President Donald Trump renegotiating trade deals, ending a deal with a state sponsor of terror who chanted 'death to America' as plane loads of cash was flown there. Got secured the border with Mexico, got NATO members to pay what they agreed to pay for the organization and more.
I think Obama followers were the Jim Jones conventioneers. They sighed at the Iran deal, were okay when obama lied about his health care plan, ignored the IRS being used to crush obama's political opponents, when he lied to the American people about Benghazi being started by a YouTube video. A lie he repeated to the UN. This is just a start.
So, yeah, supporters of President Donald Trump want what is best for Americans, the others want what is best for illegal immigrants, foreign governments at the cost of the American taxpayer.
I know the difference.
I'm a veteran who voted for Obama. What do you say about all the veterans who did so. We don't love America? That sentence illustrates the difference very nicely.
Obama decimated our military. The general was quoted saying we could not conduct two wars at the same time due to the cuts and lack of spare parts. Any veteran can vote for whoever he chooses, it is our democracy. It proofs nothing that you as a vet voted for Obama. I am sure many voted for Romney in 2012, just not enough to win.
Jack, I sometimes wonder if the left is so angry at President Donald Trump because he is such a successful president or if his success makes obama look SO bad. Maybe it is a combination of both.
TDS is real and I’ve been documenting it for years. The left just can’t help themselves...
The more they dig, the deeper they get stuck...
I am just enjoying the moment.
It couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, in a few years you'll be saying you never like Donald Trump because you'll be embarrassed to admit you supported him to the bitter end. Just like it's mysteriously difficult to find anyone who admits they supported the invasion of Iraq.
Mark my words. Lol
My response was to RedMikeNow stating you do not love America if you voted for Obama. That's it. To me, this is a reflection of just how far gond Trump supporters are. He has no real explanation as to why he makes such accusations. It seems the only explanation is that, you either support Trump, and don't support Obama, or you don't love America. This is a cult-like, demagogue, and anti-American type of attitude. Trump is not America, he is the current President, no matter how much he's conned some people into thinking so.
The generals really seem to love Trump, huh???
"stating you do not love America if you voted for Obama." NOW you are just making stuff up. Read again what I wrote and show me and everyone else where that was stated. Waiting (and laughing).
"I do see the difference between supporters of President Donald Trump and those who supported obama. Supporters of President Donald Trump love America and want to do what is best for Americans."
Your words dude. You can try to spin that any old way you can, but..making stuff up? Right on man...laughing even louder on longer.
"Bless your heart and have a nice day." There Val, I answered for him.
Ha ha..I'm thinking Val may refer to something that Valient had said along the lines of how Trump supporters answer questions or make come backs when they know they have no real argument...not you mistakenly calling me Val. You can correct me if I'm wrong though.
I think it is a fact that the words "you do not love America if you voted for Obama" are not present. Words matter not imagination. Again, making stuff up, then proving you made stuff up, is not really good.
(Are you going to tell Randy or should I that you are not "Val"? I'll leave that up to you.)
I would say this is a sign of you need some work on your English comprehension skills. It is the typical liberal response. Be caught in a fabrication then play victim and distort what has been written or spoken. Still laughing, but I find your inability to deal with reality is a bit disappointing.
You have a good imagination and do need to do some work on your English comprehension skills. Is English a second language for you? That would explain many things.
You are behaving just like your hero. You would make him proud...lol.
Why are you wasting your time..are you really attempting to hurt my feelings? I'd think you know me better than that by now.
Maybe you should hit the gym or something, it looks like you need it from your profile pic.
You came here to play games right? I can play games...back to that whole the internet destroying civil discourse thing. Is this what adults do these days?
I don't think you'd talk to me like that in person, but , I know you need to get back to your meal, so I'll leave you alone now, lol.
Whenever people who supported Hillary Clinton complain about President Donald Trump's alleged lying, I have to laugh. There are words such as double standards and hypocrisy that come to mind.
There is the typical politician who occasionally lies or distorts. Then there is Trump, an insane, compulsive liar who shamelessly demeans himself and others with the utter stupidity of his lies.
I cannot trust the judgment of any person who views them to be equivalent.
Which lie hurts more people? The one Obama told to pass the ACA hurt millions of people with their healthcare? Or Trump’s hundreds of lie or exaggerations...who cares if he said he is the most successful president...? Or the best of everything, or the smartest in the room?
People have lost their common sense.
You're a Trump supporter. That fact tells me you care nothing about the truth.
The difference between a Trump supporter and sensible people is this: give most sensible people a reliable source that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that someone lied, and they'll criticize it, whoever is doing the lying. Give a Trump supporter a reliable source that shows Trump blatantly lied, and they'll say nothing.
No one who really cares about truth could stay silent about Trump's lies, so spare me your faux concern. There's no complaint you can level at anyone about lying that isn't totally hypocytical. All anyone needs to say to shut down you're entire argument is: you are a Trump supporter. That's it. Game over.
My experience with people who are against President Donald Trump is they have delusional thoughts and a thinking process detached from reality. Most will create their own truths to feed their delusions and remove them further from reality.
All anyone has to say to someone who dislikes President Donald Trump nothing and they struggle to not laugh at their delusional rantings.
I'm laughing right now.
That was fun.
One main difference between those who support Trump and the rest of the world is the degree to which Trump supporters believe in conspiracy theories.
They believed in Pizzagate. They believe Obama is a Muslim. They believe Obama wasn't born in the U.S. They believe climate change is a hoax. They believe vaccines are a conspiracy to poison our children.
I could go on and on. The point is, believing in these kinds of things so easily denotes a person who cannot separate truth and fantasy. It's impossible to debate a person who doesn't believe in science or who can so easily be duped to believe just about anything.
This is why Donald Trump's lies go by so easily. It's simply a fact that just about every speech he gives is full of lies. But to someone easily cajoled by a conspiracy theory, lies are truth. They can't discern one from the other.
I like the "rest of the world" comment. Excellent.
"Pizzagate. They believe Obama is a Muslim. They believe Obama wasn't born in the U.S. They believe climate change is a hoax. They believe vaccines are a conspiracy to poison our children."
Now, here is the truth. I haven't heard pizzagate mentioned for a long, long time. Most conservatives don't care too much about obma any more. It's over. Whatever he was he was and nothing can change it. I hope you realize there are climatologists who believe there is climate change, but IT is not caused by human activity. Climate change has happen before in the world before men were even a consideration. I always say, so what? What country is willing to ruin their economy for this? Vaccines a conspiracy to poison children? I don't know anyone who feels that way, and trust me, I am active with many conservative groups.
I would have to say those who could accept the many lies told by obama and clinton will believe anything the mainstream media tells them. Since such people are so used to accepting the lies told to their by these two, they'll pretty much believe anything.
I think you mentioned you are a business owner? I must admit, I have met a few business owners and never was one of them a liberal, mostly because the regulations just crushed them in various ways, so nothing government ever did was good. So I kind of sympathize if you're in that boat.
Back to the accusations - yes, Pizzagate was pushed by conservatives. It's just one in a vast array of lies meant to deflect. Obama was a Muslim - a lie pushed by Trump. It still resonates. Oh, look - a black man, let's delegitimize him as much as possible. The point is, these lies still come up all the time with conservatives. All the time. They still believe them. They still believe Obama was responsible for Hurricane Katrina. Science says something very specific and conservatives deny it's real science.
Obama lied? The reference is always "You can keep your insurance". Whatever. That wasn't a lie for numerous reasons, but if you want to equate that mistake with the thousands of lies Trump has told, go ahead.
The argument we used to have was about the amount of government that was good for the country. Now, the argument is literally about what is a fact. The internet is destroying civil discourse because now, even a complete moron can find a reference on the internet that supports what they believe. Although access to information is a positive, access to bad information has exploded.
Welcome to the discussion. I could go on and on about the lies told by obama. The only one that still bothers me are Benghazi being started by a YouTube video. He told this to the American public and the UN. It was as serious and blatant of a lies there has ever been in politics. Again, I don't care about obama. His time is over. He had it pretty easy because even legitimate criticism against him was always dismissed because he was black and if you criticized him in any way you were labeled a racist.
"The internet is destroying civil discourse because now, even a complete moron can find a reference on the internet that supports what they believe. Although access to information is a positive, access to bad information has exploded."
I believe you are absolutely right. Do you agree this isn't going to change? I don't see it getting any better.
When I was in Boston for the Straight Pride Parade, I met a female I had interacted with on another forum. She was a black, lesbian, proud liberal. We got along great. She had such a great sense of humor. I learned it's one thing to say stuff on the internet, because it's not stuff you would say to someone in person. We didn't really talk politics and just learned about each other. My friends who are more conservative than me liked her. We actually shared a meal. The real world can sometimes be better than the cyberworld when it comes to getting to know people.
I think the real world is ALWAYS better than the cyber world. I have rarely seen anyone empathize with another person's situation in this forum or elsewhere on the internet, but when you hear a person's story in person, you can come to agreement on things.
I had a friend, a fellow film critic, who was conservative - a business owner. We agreed on nothing politically. However, when he told me his story as a business owner, I could completely understand his disdain for government, both local and federal.
I check out on these discussions all the time because I usually have better things to do and I see them as pointless. We're like bickering children most of the time. Why spend time bickering?
"I see them as pointless. We're like bickering children most of the time. Why spend time bickering?"
You are absolutely right. It interesting how people perceive things. You may be the second liberal I have found that is reasonable. The list is short but distinguished.
What did I say to earn this honor? I appreciate it.
Truth be told, I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. However, if I have to make a choice, I'm always choosing liberal policy on people over conservative policy on money. I think how we treat people is more important than how much money we all make, though I readily admit the two can be linked sometimes.
Okay, I can accept that and I will say nothing against it. You know how to engage in a discussion with others by being polite and respectful. THAT is rare.
I hear this all the time about claiming to be fiscal conservative and social liberal...
I think it is a cop out.
Conservatism, if you truly understand it, is a way of life.
Conservative principles apply to all areas of our lives, including environment, spending, taxes, education, welfare, even abortion and equality and liberty and justice...
If everyone embrace conservatism of small government and personal responsibility and individual initiative, we would all live better and have less problems...
Some of the social problems we have, was created partly by the progressives and by the ACLU atheist groups...
Not that we didn’t have problems in the past, but we seems to take a step back when liberals push their agenda and remove God from the public square. IMHO.
Take marriage and dating for example. Is it really better now with online dating rather than matchmakers in the old tradition?
"The real world can sometimes be better than the cyberworld when it comes to getting to know people."
Mike, I think I understand your point, but I would offer that the "real world" is always a better way to get to know people. I think the anonymity of the internet causes many folks to fudge things a bit more than they would in face to face interactions.
Yet here you are, in a thread complaining about lying. A Trump supporter complaining about someone lying is like a thief complaining about someone stealing. Do you think anyone cares about such a complaint? Why should they?
You are missing the point and the big picture. I point this one story as an example. There are plenty of other cases where the media distort the news, create news, or ignore stories that differ then their agenda...these are all incidence of bias.
As a Trump supporter, I see this bias everyday and it needs to stop. The media has been 90% negative on Trump. How can the people not be influenced negatively.
If they would only report 50 50 about Trump, I can accept that. There are plenty of things I have issues with Trump and I state that when it is appropriate. What I don’t like is the selective reports that focus on the negative and ignore all the positive things Trump have accomplished.
If you don’t see this, then you are a product of the media. You are thinking and believing exactly what the media want you to believe. That is frightening to me.
The elephant in the room that you fail to acknowledge is your support for Donald Trump. Anyone with an internet connection can prove Trump lies habitually. So why should anyone believe you care about the truth? When Trump lies you say nothing. But when a news network critical of Trump is accused of lying, suddenly you care about the truth.
Here is the truth Jack. You have no problem with lying. If you did you couldn't be a Trump supporter. The fact you are tells me you're not interested in objectivity. You're interested in bashing a couple of news networks that don't fawn over Trump like the right-wing hacks you link to. You're wasting your time though. No one is buying this foolish charade. You are a Trump supporter. That's all anyone needs to know to understand how much you really care about the truth.
Right, I am part of a cult...I worship at the feet of DJT...
Trump can shoot someone in broad daylight on 5 th ave. and get away with it...
Trump is God’s gift to man.
He can do no wrong.
His is our savior.
Resistance is futile.
Live long and prosper.
Gimme a break.
I support trump because he has delivered conservative policies that work for the American people.
All politicians lie...
You can be selective in what you choose to believe...
I am pragmatic. I look to results.
If Trump delivers what he promised to the voters, who cares if you think he exaggerates and is a blowhard...and yes lie about small stuff which everyone does on occasion. Did Obama, Clinton and Bush not lie in their term as President? How did all of you just became so pious?
You ignore Trump's lies because you believe he's delivering results. You say that's pragmatic because he only "exaggerates" and lies about "small stuff". But we know that's not true. You can find a list of things things Trump said that are proven to be false here:
https://www.politifact.com/personalitie … ing/false/
Here's a taste:
"The Kurds are much safer right now."
"Mexico, they took 30% of our automobile business."
"Longstanding whistleblower rules (were changed) just before submittal of the fake whistleblower report."
Democrats "want virtual immunity for illegal aliens who have created horrible crimes and murder."
"When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn’t have it. He had it."
"The FBI said (former national security adviser Michael Flynn) wasn't lying."
"U.S. farmers are receiving $16 billion "out of the tariffs that we’ve gotten from China."
(the list is 14 pages long)
The fact you can say everything on that list is just "exaggeration" or "small stuff", tells me you don't care about the truth. You care about Trump delivering policies you agree with, and to hell with the truth. So why are you and other Trump supporters complaining about other people lying when you support the person who tells these lies?
You can gaslight yourself into believing none of Trump's lies are serious, or that his trivial lies are harmless, or that Obama was just as bad, but none of that's true. That's all just your attempt to rationalize your support for Trump. You couldn't be a Trump supporter if you were not able to gaslight yourself in that way. That's what tells me your complaints about lying are not based on any real concern for truth. You just want to bash Trump critics. Like I said, bash away, but don't think anyone is fooled by this nonsense.
I am not gas lighting anything. I heard this term from another progressive. You guys must be sharing the same talking points.
The point is, Trump is doing what I expect from my government.
You can call him a liar all day long. I don’t really care. The reason is simple. You guys set the stage with Clinton and Obama. The impeachment of Clinton was based on real serious crimes and corruption, not about sex with an intern. You guys made the calculation that the economy under Clinton was good, so you acquitted him.
The same goes with Obama. He did a lot of things including lie to get his agenda passed. You did not raised a peep. Now, with Trump, you claim it is about the truth...gimme a break. You are as biased as it can be. I don’t trust you a second.
My point is relatively simple Jack: you said you tolerate Trump's lies because he delivers, and he only lies about small stuff anyway. But just by looking at this list of Trump's statements that are proven to be false, we can see beyond doubt that Trump lies about serious things too, including life and death issues.
So the fact you're still a Trump supporter means one of two things: 1) you don't care about Trump's lies (serious or not) enough to stop supporting him; or 2) you somehow manage to conclude Trump only lies about small stuff, even though you see the same list I can which shows the opposite. You say you're not gaslighting yourself, so that only leaves option 1: you just don't care about Trump's lies (even the serious ones) enough to stop supporting him.
I'm just asking: why should people believe you care about the truth when you accept Trump's lies (including the most serious) and don't care how many he tells or how often? Why should anyone care about your complaints about truth when that's your outlook?
And to save you some time, I can tell you now the suggestion Obama was just as bad at telling the truth as Trump, is not a good line of defense for you. It's demonstrably false. If you want the stats you can have them, but I guarantee you won't like the results.
"We have to keep attacking the media. We need to destroy their credibility."
- Richard Nixon
"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
- Joseph Goebbels
Isn't this what the Democrats are doing? They are parading the lie that Trumps legal phone call to Zelensky is impeachable. They lied about Russian collusion, too. They beat that drum until feeble Mueller testified and smashed a big hole in their lie. He didn't even write the report with his name stamped on it. It was a complete joke! This impeachment thing will also crash and burn. The chief bullshitter, Adam Schitt or Schiff, is running a circus public hearing with people who only heard hearsay. In a court of law, this whole thing would have been thrown out! It's a complete SHAM!!!!!!!!! Total BULLSHIT!!! Everyone should be concerned that the Dems and the MSM are trashing and destroying the foundations of our Republic by their inane pursuit of power. Truth doesn't matter anymore, just the regaining of power by whatever means possible.
It amazes me that there are people who don't understand why Trump should be impeached.
He asked another country to investigate a political opponent in exchange for approving aid. In exchange for approved aid, he asked for a personal, political favor.
If this isn't addressed, I hope you can imagine the next Democrat who gets to be President using foreign powers to investigate his or her political opponents. That should be fun.
Are you OK with what Obama did with Trump in 2016? He used our intelligence agency to spy on the Trump campaign and then try to use the Russian collusion lie to get him investigated and impeached.
Which is worse?
When I see the responses from those on the left I'm reminded of an old saying
"Anything is possible when you don't know what you're talking about."
So, they have their delusions and when reality doesn't match their delusional thinking, everything is wrong crooked, etc.
I suggest these amateur lawyers and psychologists don't quit their day jobs.
But...I do appreciate all of the humor their responses provide.
Utterly absurd. The FBI investigated the Trump CAMPAIGN because it had numerous contacts with the Russians.
That investigation led to multiple indictments and guilty pleas of Trump officials.
Would you like a list of the indictments and guilty pleas?
List a conviction that didn't involve the following. Which, are all process crimes. Nothing involving Collusion with Russia. Nothing.
Lying to Congress
Conspiracy in regards to lying to investigators
Making false statements to the FBI
Lying to Mueller investigation
Selling bank account and other stolen identity information
You need to learn the legal concept of CONVICTION, not pleading guilty. A CONVICTION involves a trial. So, lets make it simple. Where were the trials associated with the Mueller investigation where there was a CONVICTION for Russia collusion.
Uh, you might want to use that crack legal mind of yours to discover that a person who pleads guilty is convicted of a crime. I wonder how Michael Cohen ended up in prison if he wasn't convicted of a crime when he pled guilty?
Well said. Some people have a remarkable ability to deny the obvious.
So, then show me a conviction resulting from a trial and NOT pleading guilty. So, a conviction by trial. Where did this happen?
Here it is from a defense lawyer.
"If one pleads guilty and has signed a document admitting all the elements, then one will be found guilty. A guilty plea is the act of pleading guilty. A conviction is the resulting determination by a judge or jury upon a guilty or not guilty plea."
Here it is from another attorney.
"The guilty plea is an admission by a defendant that he or she committed a particular offense. Essentially, by admitting guilt, a defendant skips the trial at which a judge or jury would make a determination as to whether or not the defendant was guilty. "
Are you intentionally pretending to be dense? Read your own quote.
Most of us can gather from this that when the judge accepts the guilty plea, the one who plead is now convicted. This is why a person is a "convict" whether he plead guilty or was found guilty by trial. Mike just did the same with me though when he accused me of not understanding English. I hope he's deliberately pretending, otherwise, I fear he's having legitimate health issues. I sincerely hope it's the former.
More over, the FBI was trying to entrap Trump campaign workers with Russian connection. They are complicit in trying to take down a presidential candidate of the opposition party.
Obama has his fingers on all of this. After all, all throughout this, he was the man in the White House.
Notice how quiet he has been regarding all this investigation...
He wanted to keep his head down because he knows he is vulnerable.
I wasn't really going to respond to this because it's so tin-foil hat. Where's the evidence that Obama instructed the FBI to do anything? That's not how our government works.
And if Obama directed such a thing, why hasn't Trump directed the FBI to investigate Obama? Why hasn't Trump directed the Justice Department to prosecute Obama. Why is Hillary Clinton not in jail? Lock her up, right? Do you not think a Barr Justice Department would prosecute Obama if it could?
And Obama did all this to get Trump impeached? How does that work? How did Obama know Trump was going to be President? If he knew Trump was going to be President, why didn't he try to smear him before the election by releasing details of the investigation.
The lack of clear, logical thought in your accusation is ridiculous. Keep listening to Limbaugh and all those other morons. Did you actually go down to the pizza place to check for child porn or did you just believe that accusation too?
Lack of connecting the dots on the part of Democrats...is more like it.
The government does not work that way, until Obama got into office.
He appointed partisans to high level of government agencies. They work together as the deep state to create the whole Russian collusion charge against Trump. The IG report will be out by Thanksgiving.
He will outline all the irregularities that lead to the Mueller appointment as special counsel..
I am including in this, the FBI, the DOJ, the NSA, the NSC...and many other agencies like the IRS and the EPA...who undermine our government and pursue a progressive agenda against the American people.
You fail to connect the dots while many of us, on the right was aware of all this but helpless for 3 years. Now, the impeachment process has started.
I actually like this. This show trial will expose the corrupt Adam Schiff for what he is. It will also expose members of the deep state who will be called to testify in open sessions. A can of worms has been opened.
Anyone who uses the words "deep state" is a kook. And your accusation against Obama is that he "appointed partisans". Is that a joke?
You don't even have your order of events correct.
Jack, I can't believe you, it makes me wish that I could wipe all political conservatives and their lemming type followers from the face of the Earth.
Can't have that, but Warren is going in the correct direction.
Right, all of these government agencies under the control and purview of the President are involved live in some massive plot to undermine him and government? Tinfoil hats?
Well, Jack, I say bullsh@t.
The Right continues to give me endless reasons to hold them and their followers in contempt.
Well, yes, the phone call and Trump's directions to administration officials -- which they have testified to in public -- are impeachable along with multiple violations of the emoluments clause, bribery and obstruction of justice.
It's worth pointing out that multiple sources including Republican senators want a secret ballot at the end of the Senate trial so they can impeach Trump.
That's how disgusted they are with him and how much they want to avoid getting thrashed by Trump's nutty followers.
I suggest you study the legal concept of "Hearsay" as well as legal "Hearsay Exemptions." It would put things into perspective.
The only legal or irrational concept Trump haters abide by is they are right and we are wrong despite the evidence staring them in the face. Yesterday's impeachment hearings provided nothing. Zero! Even Ambasasador Taylor nervously chuckled when asked if Trump's phone call rose to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors (Impeachable offenses). Again, the whole thing is a joke! Schiff just dug a deeper hole to his credibility by lying once again. His committee, before he led it, once stood for justice and accountability. This is laughable today! Sad! He and the others must be taken to court for abuse of power.
So you mean all of these U.S. ambassadors and Trump officials are lying about everything to Congress?
I think someone needs glasses and a hearing aid. It would put things into perspective.
If you knew what the legal concept of hearsay was you'd see things a little differently.
I was just looking for 'trolling' opportunities when I ran across your comment Crankalicious.
"The internet is destroying civil discourse because now, even a complete moron can find a reference on the internet that supports what they believe. Although access to information is a positive, access to bad information has exploded."
Except for the "destroying civil discourse" part I wish I had said that. And relative to that point, I was considering a recent youtube experience . . .
I am thinking that Google and youtube, (and all the others), algorithms are promoting acceptance of "bad information." Consider what they offer you when you search for a topic. If I followed a link to some tin-foil hat conspiracy video, look what youtube's sidebar of suggested 'next views' shows me - a steady stream of other nutcase conspiracies.
So not only do I have one fruitcake idea to consider, now I have dozens more fruitcake conspiracies to feed on.
It's like they are feeding an addiction.
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