How Do You Deny Trump's White Nationalism Now?

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   crankaliciousposted 3 years ago

   Leaked emails from Trump advisor Stephen Miller have become public. Here's a link:
   
   https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 … ked-emails
   
   How can we separate White Nationalism from the Trump Administration now?
   
   This is policy in the Trump administration.

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      promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Since Trump and his supporters deny everything already, I don't think they'll have a problem denying this one, either.

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         crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The sites Miller used are "truth" to Trump supporters. Mainstream media is "fake" news.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Fascinating.  The president, or his administration, proposes to follow our laws and it is described as "white nationalism". 
      
      Can it be a surprise that people don't pay much attention to such spun drivel anymore?  Unless, of course, they themselves are part of the spin project.

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         crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure how your conclusion can be drawn from the links. The links pretty much prove that Stephen Miller is a white nationalist, or at the very least, uses white nationalist web sites, to promote his agenda. A little scary since his views are translated into policy in the Trump administration.
         
         Most reasonable administrations would reject white nationalism.
         
         Perhaps more what is shown in the link is where Miller's like-minded people are. They're the white nationalists. These are his people. These are Trump's people.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Really?  From your link, first paragraph: "These policies include reportedly setting arrest quotas for undocumented immigrants, an executive order effectively banning immigration from five Muslim-majority countries and a policy of family separation at refugee resettlement facilities that the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General said is causing “intense trauma” in children."
            
            All (that's 100%) of these things were to enforce laws and/or protect the country.  None of them were aimed at any specific race; all were aimed at events/actions/people that either violated our laws or were extreme security risks.
            
            So how was anything there "white nationalism"?  This isn't reality; this is spin, nothing more.  That you refuse to recognize that following our laws is the intent in rounding up illegal aliens in the country, and wish to term it "white nationalism" doesn't make it so; it merely says that you aren't interested in following our laws.

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               crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               It's not spin. Stephen Miller was in regular contact with White Nationalist web sites. Following the law is not at issue here and I have no problem following the law where immigration is concerned. I have a problem with U.S. policy being made by white nationalists.

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                  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, you may be right - white nationalists may indeed wish to see the removal of illegal aliens in the country, a halt to travel from countries that do not vet their travelers and are rampant with terrorists and even that we *gasp* enforce the laws of America.  If so, I'd have to say that even the skinheads can't have everything wrong.
                  
                  But does wishing to enforce our laws equally mean that you, too, are a white nationalist? 
                  
                  (I thought this was about Trump's "white nationalism?  That's what your thread title says, anyway.)

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      GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I read your linked article Crankalicious. And as I struggle for the most polite way to describe it, the best I can come up with is to say it reads like a reverse image of something Fox's Sean Hannity might write.
      
      I am surprised you put so much faith in its, (the article), inferences and implied conclusions. Wouldn't you like to know the context of the rest of the emails that the excerpts were drawn from before believing they mean exactly what SPLC says they mean?
      
      If this article were a Right-wing article or video wouldn't you be noting the selective editing and cherry-picking used?
      
      GA

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         promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I agree SPLC is not the best source, but his point is more important than his source. Plenty of others with more credibility support what Crank is saying.
         
         https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen … or-2019-11

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            GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Your businesinsider link was simply a recap of the SPLC article. It even linked to the SPLC article to "Read More . . . " So I don't see your link as another "credible source" validating the SPLC article.
            
            To be clear, and just so we are starting from the same place, I am not disputing the SPLC contentions because I don't know one way or the other, but I do know biased spin when I see it and the SPLC article was a posterchild example of spin.
            
            It was so bad, at least by my reading, that even if their inferences were credible, their presentation destroyed any possible consideration that they were presenting the truth.
            
            Conversely, for me, they may have helped Miller's case. It looks like Miller may have been a smart operative using all the tools available to him, and speaking to the points made by SPLC may have been a smart way to send a message. *shrug
            
            Now we must consider who the message was directed to, and what message SPLC's article also sent.
            
            GA

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         crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Ironically, I read some of what Miller was saying to one of the sites and I kind of agreed with it. He was pointing out the irony of burning the Confederate flag while wearing a Che Guevara shirt - or something similar to that.
         
         I happen not to agree with destroying Confederate symbols since they're part of the history of our country. I do oppose celebrating those symbols, like flying a confederate flag from one's truck.

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            GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I caught the confliction between SPLC's Amazon sales policy, (no to the flag, yes to Che), example. And like you, I also saw a couple of points of Miller criticism that I didn't find to be a problem worthy of criticism.
            
            Also, as mentioned to promisem, I don't have information to agree or disagree with the criticisms and inferences SPLC made. But, I do know biased spin when I see it and an article like your link quickly causes me to dismiss their message. Whether true or not.
            
            GA

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               crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I wouldn't so much attack the messenger and look at the message, which is contained within the links that go to Miller's correspondence.

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   Readmikenowposted 3 years ago

   Well, if it is guilt by association, I have a question.
   
   What does it say that Congress during the obama administration invited Louis Farrakhan to the White House.  Obama even posed for pictures with Louis Farrakhan.
   
   Does this make obama an anti-Semite?
   
   Jeremiah Wright said many bad things about white people, does this mean that obama hated white people?
   
   So, if the administration is guilty by association, is former president obama also guilty because of association? 
   
   So, either obma and President Donald Trump are NOT guilty by association or they are.  I guess we all get to decide.

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      PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "What does it say that Congress during the obama administration invited Louis Farrakhan to the White House.  Obama even posed for pictures with Louis Farrakhan. "
      
      Are you sure Farrakhan was invited to the White House during the Obama administration? The photo you speak of is from 2005 when Farrakhan met with members of Congress, I believe.
      
      But, back to the topic, This is just a silly, and probably false, diversion.

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         Readmikenowposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         If there is guilt by association, then all are guilty by association.  I could also bring up by Clinton associations.  So, the point is, if you are guilty of the same things as your company, what does that make any politician?
         
         Maybe a person should be more judged by THEIR actions.
         
         
         
         

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            RJ Schwartzposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Mike - it doesn't matter how much proof you provide to the masses to defend the President - fact is that the left wants power and subjugation of the American people and the President wants to give the power back to the people.  Ideologically, the President is following the Constitution, and trying to enforce our laws, while the left is trying to systematically destroy that document and everything it stands for.

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               promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see how Trump's white nationalism respects our laws or our Constitution.
               
               His constant attacks on the 1st Amendment and the "phony" emoluments clause aren't Constitutional either.

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            PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I don't consider using white nationalist websites as source material or justification for policy merely "guilt by association."  If I were on Hubpages repeatedly using internet horoscopes as justification for my opinions, you'd probably think I respect and value astrology.  If Stephen Miller frequently refers to white nationalist people and websites, then it is reasonable to assume he respects them as knowledgeable and credible.
            
            Once again, you are making inaccurate equivalencies.
            
            And, you didn't answer my question.  Was Farrakhan  really invited to the White House during the Obama administration?  I can find no information that he was, but maybe you know something I don't and can verify it.

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            promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            - Trump rented his jet to Mandel for $120,000.
            https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/do … a-history/
            
            - The Western Wall has nothing to do with blacks and Hispanics.
            
            - Jeruselum is not an African or Latin American capital.
            
            - Black unemployment simply declines with all unemployment.
            
            - Pardoned the Jack Johnson. He died 70 years ago. So what?
            
            - "Loved" his Jewish grandchildren. Are they black or Hispanic?
            
            - Opportunity and Revitalization Council. It's a committee that has had one meeting.
            
            - Trump dated a black woman. She's not black, she's biracial. Look up her photo and tell me she looks "black".
            
            - Lifetime achievement award for helping blacks enter corporate America. A debunked claim.

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               Readmikenowposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               -Nobody ever said Mandela got the plane for free.  He was in a bad situation and President Donald Trump helped him out.
               
               https://www.thegivingtrump.com/trump-re … ent-plane/
               
               - Black unemployment is at record setting lows. 
               
               https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/06/economy/ … index.html
               
               - So what if the woman President Donald Trump dated is biracial.  That makes her as black as obama.
               
               - President Donald Trump DID win the Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award in 2007 and was good friends with Muhammad Ali.
               
               - Do you not realize that white nationalists hate ALL non-white races and ESPECIALLY Jews?

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                  promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  - The meme said he loaned the plane.
                  
                  - Irrelevant to my point.
                  
                  - Irrelevant to the claim in the meme.
                  
                  - Hmm, where did you find it? Because I can't. Otherwise, what does that have to do with "paving a way for blacks to enter corporate America"?
                  
                  - I don't think all white nationalists hate everyone the exact same way. But most Jews are white, are they not?

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                     Readmikenowposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     "Unfortunately, these opinions are very common among white supremacists. Modern white supremacy is centered on the notion that whites must fight against the imminent extinction of the white race at the hands of growing numbers of non-whites, who are in turn controlled and manipulated by the Jews. "
                     
                     https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremac … -intersect
                     
                     If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the ADL.
                     
                     I find your entire responses irrelevant.
                     
                     Bottom Line...President Donald Trump is NOT a white supremacist.

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                        promisemposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        No more than his supporters.

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               wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Are there any "black" Americans, outside of a few Africans that immigrated recently?  Aren't they as biracial as the "caucasians" in the country?

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      crankaliciousposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The difference here that makes this more than guilt by association is that Miller was hired by Trump to make policy.

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