Unification --- Really Joe?

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
    Sharlee01posted 14 months ago

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    Last night  President Biden told U.S. states on Thursday to make all adults eligible for a coronavirus vaccine by May 1 and urged Americans to stay vigilant or face more restrictions, hours after he signed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill into law. Patting himself on the back for the latest Stimulus bill ---  conveniently forgetting the Stimulus bills that the Trump Administration offered up.

    Biden said if Americans "pull together there could be a greater sense of normalcy - and some backyard barbecue parties with small groups.  "Just as we are emerging from a dark winter into a hopeful spring and summer is not the time to not stick with the rules,” he said. Never giving credit to the Trump administration for the plan and initiative that brought us the vaccine that has us on the way to a wonderful spring and summer.

    Biden said he was ordering U.S. states, territories, and tribes to make all adults eligible to receive a coronavirus vaccine by May 1. The White House has said it would have enough vaccine supply to vaccinate the adult population by the end of May. About 10% of Americans so far have been fully vaccinated. Great news!

    Biden campaigned on a promise that he would tackle the pandemic more effectively than Republican President Donald Trump, and he has sought to encourage and model behavior, such as mask-wearing, that Trump eschewed. Yet we pretty much of the Country were wearing masks for a very long time, due to state mitigation orders...

    He also ran on the unification of American's. Bringing American's together...

    Then there was this  ---

    In his speech, Biden immediately took a swipe at  former President Trump by saying the virus was initially met with “denials for days, weeks, then months, that led to more deaths, more infections, more stress, more loneliness.”  He clearly sought to more or less say, Trump, did nothing to tackle the pandemic crisis.

    Which in my view is ridiculous. If not for Operation Warp Speed, we would not have a vaccine as of yet.   Biden would be giving a much more somber address in regards to where the country would be fighting this pandemic. Biden had a wonderful chance to give credit where credit is deserved.  He chose to toss rotten meat to his base.  He had a chance to discuss the good work of Operation Warp Speed and his administration. He chose not to. 

    And what happened to his promise of unification, healing the divide?  He never fails to go for the throat to feed his base.

    Myself,  when I heard his opening statement I turned him off... I have mentioned this before --- speech 101  Your audience remembers the first and last words from a speech. And yes I switched him off not wanting to listen to another well-written politicking speech.

    "Good evening, my fellow Americans.
    Tonight, I'd like to talk to you about where we are as we mark one year since everything stopped because of this pandemic.
    A year ago, we were hit with a virus that was met with silence and spread unchecked, denials for days, weeks, then months. That led to more deaths, more infections, more stress, and more loneliness."

    Today I read the transcript and was very pleased with my decision to tune out of Biden's address.

    So, hopefully, you will share your thoughts.

    Transcript --   https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/politics … index.html

    1. Kyler J Falk profile image91
      Kyler J Falkposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Aside from there being more militant, nazi-tier leftists making their voices heard than I have ever seen before, and riots breaking out for months with support from health, news, and political officials, the pandemic has had very little effect on my daily life. Even when I caught COVID on Thanksgiving, all I did was isolate for two weeks, which is only slightly different from any other sickness I've had, and then my life went back to normal.

      Politicians, inherently, cannot promote unity outside of their base in the public eye. Notice, though, our government remains united to such a degree we do not tear it down from within nor without. Trump was the first President in my life to make me feel like we were going to have a government-led revolution, and I was wary to see how it would play out.

      Nonetheless, things are quieting down post-Trump, and though the credit goes very little to Biden, we must admit that Biden's behavior (staying out of the spotlight, mostly) is working in everyone's favor. The rest of the world is coming back into the fold, and most people are excited to put the Trump era in the dumpster where it belongs.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        I can agree with all you stated. Makes me realize we got what we got, and sadly enough we are what we are. We seem to be a society that just  --- "Goes gently into the night".

        Things have quite down with Trump vacating the White House. Back to the status quo, and that does work for some. Myself, I liked the change, I see us rushing backward into a Government overlooking our every problem,  and using a blanket mentality that most do really appreciate. So your statement runs very true. --- "Biden's behavior (staying out of the spotlight, mostly) is working in everyone's favor. The rest of the world is coming back into the fold, and most people are excited to put the Trump era in the dumpster where it belongs."

        So, pleased to see your comment.

        1. Credence2 profile image79
          Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          How much credit did Trump give Obama for turning things around from the tsunami in 2008? Nada... he spent much of his political capital attacking Obama.

          While you are disatified, I am most pleased with progress so far.

          Having to get the American Rescue Act passed without a single GOP vote. Their proposals were so far off the mark, it could be said that they were not negotiating seriously. There has been no middle ground with them. This example is a pattern that the Democrats would do well to note carefully going forward.

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            wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I don't think I'm alone in giving Obama lots of credit for the recovery from the recession.

            His work produced the slowest recovery in history, he spent vast sums of money without ever producing anything lasting or concrete.  No new dams, no new roads, no new anything; just political bailouts and free money to those that planned poorly.  Obama gets the credit for not following the methods used in the past of putting people to work to earn and spend, thus rebuilding the economy; instead he simply gave money out for nothing in return.

            1. Credence2 profile image79
              Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              You have a right to your opinion, Wilderness, but I don't share it.

              Every proposal Obama put forth was obstructed by the Republicans, but lessons learned and it won't happen this time

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I understand you don't share it.  You have your own opinion on what Obama had built with his stimulus checks - the repaired bridges, the new dams, the reconstructed roads, the new subways. 

                When I look at how that "stimulus" money was spent (though it wasn't called that then) in our history (building the interstate highway system, for example), and how Obama spent it, I see a world of difference.  You don't.  But that is because you require that Obama be praised so won't look at it with a critical eye.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Is that you, Ed? big_smile

                2. Credence2 profile image79
                  Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Wilderness, I remember 2008 and the devestation to the economy, Republicans have short memories whenever it is convenient, don't they? Your world and my world are different, and yours cannot be proven to have anymore credibility than my view. We let the voters decide.

                  "But that is because you require that Obama be praised so won't look at it with a critical eye."


                  No more than your tendency to put Trump and your GOP buddies on a pedestal, when they certainly don't deserve to be there. So, I guess to each, his or her own? Your objections are just standard GOP boilerplate.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Obama came into a financial crisis, his recovery was slow, but in his last two years picked up momentum, and the economy was rebounding when Trump took over.  This pandemic was a crisis like no other, there was not one world leader that could handle a virulent spreading virus as stat has come to prove. Without a vaccine viruses spread. That is the science that many just could not face. They blamed one man for the crisis. Yet every world leader had the same results. Illness, and death, and failing economies. Trump worked to provide a vaccine, a vaccine most countries are using to vaccinate their citizens. Biden landed in a pot of jam when it comes to COVID. He is dispensing a vaccine due to Trump's initiative. Biden himself receive the vaccine before Trump left office... I give credit where due.

            My Op was more about Biden being hypocritical in one to breathe stating he will unify the country, in the next breathe blasting Trump as if he did little to nothing to handle the COVID crisis.  Just pointing out Biden taking a cheap political swipe. IMO no way to unify the country.

            You seem to be very consistent with praise for Biden. Not sure what progress he has made on anything but the COVID stimulus bill, and yes he has differently done a good job picking up where Trump left off with getting the Vaccine out. I see lots of brewing problems that he will not address. He will not or can not face the press...   That stimulus was a sure thing, written in stone, he did little but sign it.

            I will agree there will be no middle ground with the GOP. But this is pretty much normal, business as usual. It most likely will never change. The congressional numbers are the voice in our government. This is what we have let it become.

            I hope Biden does well, I love my country. However, I just have little faith in the Democratic party, and they are pulling the strings.

            Did you listen to Biden's address last night? If so, did you find his insults directed at Trump unifying? 

            My blood boiled.

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              PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I watched the speech and I didn't even remember that partt until you brought it up here.

              I would speculate that is because I found nothing unusual about his words because they are simply the truth. Only die-hard Trumpers thought he was doing a good job handling the pandemic and, in fact, his poor handling of it is widely considered to be one reason he lost the presidency.

              So sorry your blood boiled. That must have been uncomfortable. big_smile

              1. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Panther, his handling of the pandemic and the resulting economic downturn was the reason he lost. You have to really work hard as an incumbent not to manage to get a second term.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                "I would speculate that is because I found nothing unusual about his words because they are simply the truth. "

                Your truth. Factually Trump the Trump administration is responsible for providing America and actually the world with a vaccine in record time. Biden is doing nothing but distributing that vaccine that Trump worked on getting in record time. That's my truth ---  Biden trying to take credit for what trump did is purely discussing.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I have let this go for a loooonnngg time, but I don't think many people give Trump credit for creating the vaccine in a hurry because they know the scientists and drug companies did it and Trump had nothing to do with it. In fact, you're the only person I've ever heard give him credit for it. Over and over again. Your opinion on this does not seem to be shared by very many people.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    AS always you read my comment out of context. Note the words "Trump administration". I used those words in my OP, as well in my comment responding to you. So I am not sure what you are referring to.  Hope this clarifies what the Trump administration provided due to the Trump administration and Trump's initiative to create Operation Warp Speed.

                    Not sure if you are aware of the contracts that the Trump ad. made with 8 pharma companies. Contracts that funded research and development or ultimately a vaccine. I may have attributed the credit to Trump or Trump's initiative at some point in another thread.
                    Due to Operation warp speed being Trump's idea.

                    "Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was a public–private partnership initiated by U.S. President Donald Trump and his administration to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics."

                    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p … ring%20on.

            2. Credence2 profile image79
              Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I am for giving credit where it is due, but for that to mean anything it has to apply universally. Is that the way Trump behaved? I will give Trump credit for his "Warp Speed" program. But obviously, too little to late as the electorate was not impressed. I don't see why Trump gets a free pass for behavior that you attack Biden over?

              If there is no middle ground, we Democrats will just have ram things thru removing the filibuster as necessary.

              He did a lot more than just sign it, he stood firm against Republican delay and obstruction, since there were no Republicans in support of the bill.

              No, I did not see his address, last night. If I did, I could probably have an additional comment to two to make.

              I had little or no faith in the Republican Party when they were in control, just the opposite, isn't that odd? We can look at the same things and see it all quite differently.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I am not attacking Biden. I pointed out his words. As many here did with Trump. This is a political forum, my OP was about a political speech that truly rubbed me the wrong way. I questioned and discussed Trump's inappropriate statements here on HP's, as I intend to do with Biden.

                Trump never got a free pass with me. Yes,  I have defended some of his statements when I felt they had been reported out of context.

                We are not at odds all of the time. I am very versatile, and I do not lock my opinions down. I am realistic, and when I can see a pattern,  such as Congressional gridlock I do feel open to predict. Hopefully, my predictions are not always taken as to how I would like to see something happen or turn out, but rather how I  see something realistically turning out.

                You have misunderstood my comment in regard to our Congress --- I have little faith in Congress over many years now. As I said there will be no middle ground with the GOP. But this is pretty much normal, business as usual. It most likely will never change. The congressional numbers are the voice in our government.

                1. Credence2 profile image79
                  Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  "Congress --- I have little faith in Congress over many years now. As I said there will be no middle ground with the GOP. But this is pretty much normal, business as usual. It most likely will never change. The congressional numbers are the voice in our government."

                  This is unfortunate, as it was not always this way with one political partiy voting against the initiatives of the other down to a man or woman.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    No, and I am old enough to say it was not always this bad. But, time goes by, things change, and we are left with what we created. IT's come to a pure power struggle, and really little thought is given to the people.

        2. Kyler J Falk profile image91
          Kyler J Falkposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I see nothing status quo about much of anything to do with politics these days; if anything, it is more risky to even express an opinion in public than it ever has been. Biden's administration, whoever the head honcho may be, is making the proper decision to step back and stop fanning the flames of vitriol.

          I mean, god damn, do you know how many times I've been threatened with death for my skin color in the last four years? That's on Trump and his tactics, not the dems as much as they are to blame for fanning racial unrest.

          I'm grateful we have someone more senile than Trump in office, it is really working out in every way as far as my personal life goes. That's saying a lot as well, before Trump no president ever had an effect on my personal life.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I see all of Obama's policies quickly restored, as well as most of the people that worked in his administration being back in the White House.  This to me is stepping back into the status quo. Biden has even adopted Obama's habit of not addressing the press.

            You put it out there ---so how is Biden affecting your personal life, for that matter any part of your life. Just curious. Hey, you brought it up. I love to learn, and I am very interested in how Biden has affected your life. Plus, will offer a freash conversation.

            1. Kyler J Falk profile image91
              Kyler J Falkposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Too early to tell, but I expect my community here in California will continue to deteriorate. It is rare I run into natives in California anymore, of course by natives I mean individuals whose ancestry has been here longer than a generation or two. Even rarer is meeting people who speak English as their first language, though I couldn't care less.

              Other than that, the second Biden was elected they (dems) seemed to stop pushing for a race war. Trump was paving the way for dems to ignite racial wars all over the country, and he wouldn't stop, causing me to move to action in my, and many other communities during the BLM protests and riots. If that could be attributed to Biden (it can't, really), then that's how he as affected my personal life thus far.

              My biggest fear for my personal life, overall, is that California will only have white communities locked behind gated communities sometime in the near future. This wouldn't be an issue, either, if the communities being taken by legal and illegal immigrants alike assimilated to American culture and law. Unfortunately, I am the one who is expected to change my culture and home to accommodate others, and there are so many different cultures warring with one another here.

              Off topic: California is basically being split between Mexicans and Chinese, among other less-visible cultures. Los Angeles alone is having turf wars between cartels and the mafia for legitimate businesses, and it is spreading far outward from there. Though, it isn't something you'll hear about on the news because the wars are being fought with business, and not on the street; so, those of us on the street see it as a race issue since the authorities won't take it seriously.

              Crazy times, and with the public support for the calls for the death of the white race it is hard to remain objective and impartial.

              1. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                "Crazy times, and with the public support for the calls for the death of the white race it is hard to remain objective and impartial."

                So, is that the real reason so many are attracted to Trump?

                At least you are honest about it as your sentiment, not recognizing this opinion for the delusion that it is...

                There are many cultures, why is the preservation of your world outlook and view so paramount? I don't know anything about race war, is that what you are looking for?

                Why are so many of YOUR people so paranoid, it is a Zero Sum game?

                Everyplace is not Los Angeles, California. You need to move to another part of the country for a different perspective.

                1. Kyler J Falk profile image91
                  Kyler J Falkposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Here is what I am getting from you, as I understand it: "You are attracted to Trump. You have to find reasons to defend your culture in the face of being told your culture is less important than an immigrant's culture, and your acceptance of their culture makes no difference either way. Your fear of a race war might imply you want a race war. I'm assuming who YOUR people are, and claiming they are paranoid. You need to move from your birthplace if you want what you had in your birthplace in the past."

                  First and foremost, I hate Trump.

                  The preservation and continuance of my culture is important because it is inclusive of all cultures, and regularly leads to a healthy diversification and blending of cultures. Look at Hollywood, and voila, international culture being blended to create something beautiful on a regular basis. Diversity, inclusion, and fairness are my culture, if that disappears then I don't even want to think of what we'll get in its place. 

                  I just said I was wary of a race war, and I disagreed with Trump's tactics that were causing racial unrest; stupid question.

                  Who are my people, from your understanding? I have a very diverse group of people in my personal life, and we all come from different races, creeds, etc.

                  I shouldn't have to move to another area to feel like I can safely reside in, or even exist in my own country. That's the same as telling people not to come here because they aren't from the same culture I am, that is another stupid stance to hold. Everyone of every culture should be allowed to exist and celebrate their culture in unison with others, and no one should be forced to adhere to one dominant culture or be threatened because they do not. America is an amalgam of cultures, and to assimilate to American culture is to celebrate all world cultures together. 

                  You'd need to take direct part in the younger side of things, things like TikTok and protests, to understand how badly America is regressing on the racial front on all sides.

                  1. Credence2 profile image79
                    Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Greetings, Tyler, leave it to me to "jump the gun".

                    Whenever I see "race war", I see red as it is the Right's "final solution" to our national problems regarding race.

                    We are all receiving mixed messages from a variety of sources, many of them not credible.

                    You have a problem with Trump, no dispute there.

                    As Sharlee says, Trump is not a racist, that may well be true. But he is a race baiter, using the strife on this issue to his political advantage. That is just as bad.

                    The reality is as you say, this is a diverse society, so who is messaging that whites have to be on the offensive as if their very existence is in peril?

                    Kyler, I have spent 4 years living in the "inland Empire" of Southern California and 3 years on the plains of Eastern Montana. Attitudes and folkways can differ with a change of geography. If you have been attacked or intimidated based on your ethnicity, I would disapprove as I would not have that done to me.

                    I misunderstood your initial message and want to clarify that we are on the same page.

                    As for younger side of things, perhaps. I have avoided much of the social media as getting into my affairs beyond my comfort level. But we always believed that the younger generation would be more tolerant and thereby would find a everly more diverse society as non threatening. Was I wrong?

              2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Thank you for sharing... I was so curious as to how or why you were being discriminated against. I was unaware you live in California.  That explains a lot. Not sure things will get better in regard to the number one spoken language in California, Texas, and Arizona. Biden has an open invitation to any and all that want to walk across the border. 

                Holy hell I can't imagine the turmoil you are living in. I am not sure what can be done at this point with all the problems you have shared. I liked Trump's ideas, and policies in regards to immigration. He did not do a superb job, but I think he was doing a good job putting up some stumbling blocks.

                Do I think ultimately trump was responsible for the racial tention? I think Trump was used by the Dems as a Trump card they knew they could cash in on. It worked. Basically, I don't think Trump himself is a racist. I think he does not discriminate when it comes to calling out a problem or a person.  He is transparent, unfiltered.

                And yes we have a real ongoing problem with race in America. IMO the Democrats made sure to stoke the fire and could care less about racism.  They continue to give the message to black people that they are different, and need help. Wonder when Black people might realize they have made great strides on their own, and don't need anyone to give them a hand up.

                1. Kyler J Falk profile image91
                  Kyler J Falkposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  The problem was Trump's willingness to discuss it in the first place. Racism is not a good topic for conservatives to discuss, as democrats have that market cornered. By even discussing the topic, addressing protesters as if they were rivals, he opened the door for more hatred from the left. For some reason people have been unified by hatred far more closely and intensely as time goes on, rather than what is preached by the left of ending it.

                  Had Trump just pulled the Grey Rock Method out more often, like Biden is doing, perhaps I would not have had to join the BLM protests for the safety of my community. The things I witnessed during the BLM protests and riots were some of the most disgusting displays of racism I've ever seen, but the silver lining there is that I now understand how non-whites felt in the past.

                  It's scary to be in a crowd chanting, "Kill all whites," and, "F$@! white people," as they march down main roads setting businesses on fire and assaulting anyone who dares to get in their way. The news wouldn't cover it, either, they'd only push what they wanted people to know. It was, and still is a very helpless feeling.

                  We'll see how things go, but as of yet I'm preferring our POTUS out of the spotlight. For the sake of our country and its reputation, we don't need another angsty old white guy in front of the cameras and blowing up twitter all day every day.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    I think I understand where you are coming from. And you have touched on some truths that many are afraid to even think. I think we are very close to taking sides due to race. It's like all that was accomplished over the past 50 years is gone or never was. The hate can be cut with a knife.  I agree with part of your thought --- we don't need another angsty old white guy. I would like to see a younger, intelligent president.

    2. Valeant profile image88
      Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

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      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Fact's it was the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed that set up a partnership with the vast majority of Vaccine distribution sites. OWS also set up a program that requested retired Dr. and Nurses to come out of retirement to help administer the vaccine. They set up partnerships with large hospitals, and clinics to administer the injections. And I have several times posted the contracts that OWS had with 8 Pharma companies for research and development and vaccine in the millions. (Pfizer is the only company that did not take funds for research and development, but a contract for millions of od doses of vaccine and the option to order millions more as Biden did thanks to that contract clause .) Biden has done little to nothing but depend on the contracts and partnerships, and programs Trump's OWS provided. And they did it long before Biden walked into the White House.

        The Department Of Health And Human Services Nov 12, 2020
        https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/11/ … cines.html

        OWS intended to start roll pout of Vaccine in Jan 2021, which they started shortly before Biden was sworn in. In fact, Biden and Harris were vaccinated before he was sworn in.

        https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/n … evelopment

        https://abc7news.com/joe-biden-covid-va … s/9561849/

        Biden has offered anything new to controlling COVID other than his
        wear a mask for 100 days ... which not sure he realizes we have been wearing masks for a year.

        Joe is doing nothing at all but taking. The Stimulus bills are due to Congress. The COVID progress is on OWS, and the Trump ad. I would have more respect if he would not make such a fool out of himself making a feeble attempt to take credit for progress on COVID.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Really Joe unification ---  yesterday at Biden's press conference he chose to make a very derogatory remark that referred to President Trump as more or less a murderer.

      "When an unaccompanied child ends up at the border, we [aren't] going to let them starve to death and stay on the other side -- No previous administration did that either, except Trump. I'm not going to do it," Biden told reporters."

      Confused --- maybe, but more like taking the opportunity to toss slop at his base.

      Yeah Joe, really unifying? Discussing, display of cheap Democratic politicking.

      This man has hoof and mouth diseases. He just can't keep his mouth shut when he should...  No matter how hard they try they are unable to control him. It would be better for the country if they put him back in the basement.  He is an embarrassment to America.

      https://nypost.com/2021/03/25/fact-chec … onference/

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        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Glad to see you finally care so deeply about unification.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Never said I did... In fact, truthfully I don't support the unification with a  party that is hell-bent on ruining America.   Could care less... I was pointing out once again the hypocrisy of Biden's unification promise, and his cheap old habit of politicking to toss food to his base. Hope I have set you straight on how I feel about unification.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I think maybe you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Biden means when he speaks of Americans coming together. I believe he is referring mostly to the people working together to solve problems regardless of ideology. I don't think he believes Democrat and Republican elected officials will ever be unified, but I do think he thinks Americans can be unified around certain basic tenets. I truly believe had he been president when the pandemic hit, mask wearing would not have been such a partisan ussue, because he definitely does not fan those type of flames.

            Just how I see it. By the way, he is telling the truth about how Trump handled the pandemuc. Trump lost because of it. Unification does not require sugar-coating the devastating effects of poor policies. It is more about not putting citizens against each other, but helping them see how they can come together to help mitigate a crisis or problems.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I will make this comment one of the shortest I have offered up --- Not interested in any form of coming together with the other half... I have no respect for their mindset or their ideologies.   So why would I want to come together? Half the country has zip-in common with the other half. I have no respect for the BS that liberals dish up. I certainly will not have it shoved down my throat.

              1. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I have the identical opinion regarding the Right and Rightwingers.....

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  surprise surprise...

                  1. Credence2 profile image79
                    Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    It is still unfortunate that people brought up within the same nation can see things so much differently.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Hey, this is why there is such a great divide. And ya think this will all just dissipate and poof we will all come together... Don't think so. Just ask yourself did you ever think the Capitol would be overrun?  Lots of hate brewing.  Neither side has even a smidgen of respect for the ideology of the other.

          2. Credence2 profile image79
            Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            No, there cannot be unification as the interests and Republicans and Democrats are like oil and vinegar. I did not elect just another Republican in 2020, and I do not expect Joe to behave like one

            But, elections have consequences and your side lost. There is a difference between conferring with Republicans about proposed legislation and having them obstruct and bring your agenda to complete standstill.

            1. Valeant profile image88
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I'm not in favor of unification with a party that attacks it's own government, whether it be through propaganda from the president they elected or from the stupid followers that were convinced to physically attack the nation's Capitol.

              Is government overly big and bloated.  Sure, and that's a problem, especially from a deficit stance.  But to be convinced that a lying, malignant narcissistic conman who was clearly a functional illiterate, as well as being named as a co-conspirator in a felony conviction in order to secure his election, is the voice you want to follow - as I have said before, I see that more as a threat to America than something to unify with.

              1. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Well, Valeant, the GOP and the Rightwing are dead to me right now and I don't care what it is they pine for, most probably, I will stand against it.

                Yes, the government is big and bloated and the Republicans as the so called "fiscally responsible" party hasn't helped much.

                It is just a matter of where the money is spent and what the priorities are. I have 2 trillion to spend on R &D for a flightless dodo bird, while the American people are in need? There is one example for me.

                I, having worked in Federal contracting, know how much waste is built just within our procurement systems. Agencies were encourage to buy sterling silver pickle forks to spend all their allotment for that fiscal year or risk receiving less in the subsequent year.

                There are tons of waste and graft that permeate everything as  such that both parties can agree that it should be eliminated. Who knows how much we can save on a bipartisan basis?

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  We will never save on a bipartisan basis until we end the Capital Hill culture that produces pork.  The only way I've ever heard that even might help there is a line item veto for the president, but Congress will never allow that to happen...it would put a stop to the pork barrel spending than retains their job for them.

                  Another major problem is that federal funds, and thus federal legislators, have become so entrenched in every project that happens in the country.  A town can't build a water treatment plant without federal help.  They can't widen a road without it.  They can't build a school without people from a different state picking up much of the tab.

                  As long as that continues - as long as we demand that people that will never see any benefit from our project are required to provide funding for our wishes and dreams - we will not save anything at all.

                  1. Credence2 profile image79
                    Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    I really cannot say that I disagree with the bulk of this comment, Wilderness.

                    But what happens when a dam needs to be repaired in Pocatello? The municipal/county of even state government lacks sufficient funds. As a red state, would you raise taxes in your state to avoid federal funding involvement in the needed repair? Because a major part of infrastructure needs to be repaired.

              2. Live to Learn profile image75
                Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I find myself struggling to find reasons to want unification with a party that so clearly lacks any regard for the average citizen.

                There was a riot at the capital? So what. There were riots all over the country preceding that and not one Democrat gave a hoot for people who suffered through fires, looting, vandalism, shootings and fear for their lives. Not one Democrat condemned the images of the elderly being harassed and abused by antifa. Not one Democrat stood up for the rule of law for those citizens.

                Do you honestly think it's fair to whine about a few law makers who were not in danger, were not hurt, did nothing but grandstand and throw up fences to protect themselves when they could have cared less about the average American citizen? I'm afraid I have absolutely no sympathy. Quite frankly, they made mountains out of mole hills in order to further divide us.

                1. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Wow, what reality are you trying to sell here?

                  A riot?  That was a full on insurrection.  Nice try to rewrite history.  One party tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power - as in - they tried to stop our democratic way of functioning as a country based on lies. 

                  And I certainly believe there was danger as they killed a policeman to get into the Capitol and were hunting for specific people after creating a gallows outside.  You're seriously going to tell me that if some, predominantly, white people constructed a gallows with a noose outside where you work, you wouldn't feel threatened if you were a black representative of Congress?

                  The fact you have no sympathy when a policeman is killed shows how far right you've turned and confirms why our party wants absolutely nothing to do with people like you.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image75
                    Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Antifa was hunting police. Did the left care? You can certainly blow this out of proportion to justify your hate. That is what the left in Washington push. Hate. Division. Lies to drive their agenda. From what I've read they have decided the police officer at the capitol died of other causes. Not his interaction with those rioters. But, that doesn't fit the narrative so you ignore the data.

                    I am encouraged, daily, as I interact with real people across the U.S. who clearly are not buying into the insanity Washington is pushing and you appear to be buying.

            2. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              There is also a difference, a huge one, between talking with Republicans and inviting them on board with proposals designed to harm the country and actually working with them to find a middle ground.

              So far, I haven't seen Joe offer to work with anyone at all to find a common ground.  Just an offer to talk with anyone joining him in his pet projects.

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Well, since he only has one major piece of legislation, where every elected Republican declined to vote for something that 60% of their own constituents backed.  You didn't see any common ground reached when 60% of the opposing party supports his proposal?  Really?

                Claiming that it was designed to harm the country would be one of your many lies you tell at this site.

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Not sure what you're talking about.  The biggest things I've seen from him is to completely mess up border control and to shut down a part of our energy production.  The opposing party did NOT agree with either one, let alone at the 60% level.

              2. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Valiant made a cogent comment in reply to yours and I can only add to it.

                The GOP version of the COVID relief bill was so far off from the mark of that proposed by the administration and democrats, that it appeared that  Republicans did not intend to negotiate in good faith. And when things did not move in their direction, they sat it out to a man/woman. I am not not willing to engage with them when they behave like this.

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  What offers came from the Democrats on cutting the cost of the program?  I never heard of any at all; just another massive giveaway and pork spending on Democrat projects.

            3. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Very truthful, I appreciate that.  Yes, you are looking for policies that we disagree on. It would seem no unification is possible, And I think the Republicans will fight like hell to stop the Democrats ' agenda.  At this point, the Republicans can push no agenda only stop one. An agenda that offers nothing but destruction. 

              This will be all I can ask of the GOP at this point.  Obstruction like we have never witnessed.

            4. Live to Learn profile image75
              Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              That's the problem. So one side lost. The American people are divided. Fairly evenly. No side is so much in the majority where the other side should be completely left out in the cold nor does either side have the right to push policies so alien to the desires of the other half of America that large swaths of the population feel disenfranchised..

              No side has a mandate from the American people to shove their agenda down the throats of the other.

              No President has won by such a landslide that their platform is a mandate. Until both parties learn to compromise this crap will continue.

              1. Credence2 profile image79
                Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                So, where was your side when the GOP wanted to ram down tax cuts for the wealthy and destroy Obamacare?

                Trump did not even get the majority of the popular vote that may have given him and his side more legitimacy.

                The Republicans today are totally uncooperative and that cannot stand.

                Yes, compromise is desirable, but in the meantime things just cannot be allowed to stand still toward that end.

                I elected Joe Biden to get results, not excuses that he is waiting for Republicans to weigh in on everything that is part of his agenda, the one that the American electorate clearly preferred.

                1. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I would call an election where the American people gave one party the Presidency and both houses of congress a mandate.  Just like they did for the GOP in 2016. 

                  They gave it this time to shove science down your throat.  They gave it to shove democracy down there.  They gave it to shove some truth down there instead of the lies you were being fed.

                2. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Where was your side when it was decided that young people, just starting out in life and with low incomes but excellent health, shall subsidize the health insurance for the elderly, who mostly have more wealth and worse health?

                  1. Credence2 profile image79
                    Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    It was called the Social Security Act of 1935. I thought that the concept was a good idea then and still is. I pay taxes to support the elderly when I was young, so that now that I can be the beneficiary of the same program.

                    Subsidy is the reality in any advanced nation. I have to pay mill levy for public schools that I don't use. But again, somebody paid this tax for me while I was in school.

      2. Credence2 profile image79
        Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        "This man has hoof and mouth diseases. He just can't keep his mouth shut when he should...  No matter how hard they try they are unable to control him. It would be better for the country if they put him back in the basement.  He is an embarrassment to America."

        Sounds so familiar, it reminds me of the very shortcomings found in No. 45.....

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, but this time around he is yours...

  2. Ken Burgess profile image87
    Ken Burgessposted 14 months ago

    I saw a feeble old man propped up in front of a camera, sputtering off what was on a teleprompter.

    I felt while watching a snippet of it, that he was the correct leader for our current time, he embodies the current state of our nation, its economy, and its direction very well.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I totally love your forthright way of giving an opinion. You just said what I too felt while watching Biden's speech. He spoke in such a monotone voice and he seemed to have no idea about the context he was reading.

  3. profile image0
    PrettyPantherposted 14 months ago

    My goodness, he said "peasants" not "slaves." If he had meant to say slaves he would have said so.

    This is not rocket science. lol

    1. Valeant profile image88
      Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      'Them' to her will always be black people.  It's becoming more and more obvious with every post she makes.

      To those who understand how the English language works, the use of them in my sentences clearly refers to the word peasant - for the ninth time trying to explain it to her.

      And the fact that she does not understand history or that words sometimes can have multiple definitions only adds to her ridiculous claims about what was meant by peasant.

      Gee...what happened to that other thread?  I wonder.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        I think I have made my point. And I did it all without needing to insult your person or your education...

        1. Valeant profile image88
          Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I understand the point as well, that you felt the need to attempt to retaliate from that Kamala Harris bail reform thread, the one where you stated that 'all peaceful black lives matter protesters who were arrested are criminals,' where a few of us called you out on that statement.  I understood your motives quite clearly here to try and paint me in the same light we all saw from you with that statement.

          Sharlee stated:  'It would seem you are saying Blacks are less intelligent...'

          I bet there's more than a few people here who would be insulted to be accused of something as vile as that statement.  The fact that you don't view that as an insult is a whole thread all to itself.  Maybe I'll start that one and ask for context about how someone even thinks to publish a line like that.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I won't address your first paragraph without a link to the quote. Context matters as well as facts. I would suggest you find that quote with a link before building a thread. The comment I pointed out has been posted and you provided the link.

            Please build the thread, I certainly would like to see you produce the quote. " 'all peaceful black lives matter protesters who were arrested are criminals,' 

            I certainly remember a conversation about Harris blindly encouraging people to donate to an organization that bailed out rapists and child abusers, and --- " Minnesota Freedom Fund backed by Kamala Harris ‘bailed out registered sex offender accused of raping an 8-year-old girl"  https://www.the-sun.com/news/1495022/mi … -offender/

            Or -- "Kamala Harris pushed bail fund that helped murder and rape suspects get out of jail while awaiting trial "   https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … ting-trial

            https://nypost.com/2021/02/03/man-twice … ted-again/

            https://apnews.com/article/race-and-eth … ceec9cf7b1

            Hopefully, you build that thread, it would be a very interesting conversation with a ton of information on the entire scandal. where VP Harris back a group she may not have known much about. But just most likely looked at supporting the group for a political ploy. IMO not too bright on her part.

            1. Valeant profile image88
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              You cannot even read a statement and understand that a thread would have been built around you saying, 'It would seem you are saying Blacks are less intelligent...'

              But since you want a link, here it is:  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/351 … oe-?page=5

              It was one page ago.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                To be honest I did not read it but skimmed it. I noted you leaving a quote that you claim I made about Harris. I want to see a link to that quote.

                And after reading the entire comment I will be glad once again to offer why I feel  'It would seem you are saying Blacks are less intelligent". I can copy and paste the entire contents that gave way to my view.

                I think that statement would make an interesting thread, have at it. Like I said I think I could copy and paste my response.

                In fact, I should have presented the comment where I expressed that very sentiment. I certainly could delve deeper into my opinion on why I feel your comment insulted not only blacks but people that have "right" ideologies. 

                VALEANT WROTE:
                I don't see the right having evolved from the idea of plantation owners profiting off the sweat of the hard work of the peasants while reaping what they sow and giving them nothing for wages.  That philosophy is still the prevalent view of the right.  And then blaming them for not being able to break the cycle of poverty.

                Sharlee --- Is it smart to categorize people by political party or race? Not sure how I would feel if I were a black person to be stuck in a category due to my race.   It would seem you are saying Blacks are less intelligent, and all put up with being taken advantage of.  Wonder what a man like Obama would think of your anology.  You do realize Black people have struggled to not be considered as a race that just can't break out of poverty?

                This Is an opinion I offered in regard to your comment. I certainly have a right to offer my opinion. Hopefully, you noted my careful wording to offer context to my thought --- using the words --It would seem...   Clearly a thought, an opinion.
                https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/351 … ost4181158

                Then you replied and referred to me as being racist in your following comment. I politely replied giving a very in-depth explanation of my opinion. You may not like my opinion but I  was not showing any form of racism, in any respect.  I was giving my honest opinion. You don't like it? I could care less...  I have no respect for your opinion either.  Or respect your ideologies. Those are truths. When I used the term it would seem, that's thought not an absolute truth or fact.   

                https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/351 … ost4181174

                I note that the thread Context Matter has been taken down. So you're on your own. HP apparently did not approve of the thread. So, conversation over. Find someone else to converse with. Someone that has your views.

                1. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I now see that your lack of knowledge about US history and the varying definitions of the word peasant confused you.  Someday, I hope you can come to admit that to yourself.

                  And when someone raises a conversation pertaining to the intelligence levels of black people, I will always see that as racist. 

                  So, yes, I agree.  Conversation over.

 
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