With the Impeachment Trump has won 2020

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  1. Ken Burgess profile image91
    Ken Burgessposted 2 months ago

    The Democrats could have done one of two things after 2018 put them in charge of the House. They could have taken the high road, looked to 2020, got behind the fresh new ideas and new faces the presented themselves for nomination.

    They could have used their platform to support the changes people have long been asking for, supporting Trump in his few good actions while denouncing his bad ones, and staying above his prodding tweets.

    If they had been able to do so. If they had been willing to say "hey, maybe Trump has something, maybe Biden is a bad egg, taking billions from China (via his son) isn't a good look for the then VP" rather than trying to impeach the President over trying to have it investigated, the American people might have bought into their message.

    What has their message been since 2018?

    Resistance.  Impeachment.

    What have we gotten from a half dozen debates... stick with the old, out with the new.

    Bring out Clinton to denigrate Tulsi, ignore Yang rather than give his highly intelligent ideas consideration, and back the candidate whose son took billions from China while helping them gain access to the highest military secrets across numerous corporations.

    This is what the Democrats are offering,  This is what their leadership brings.

    Ignoring facts and trashing the impeachment process is no way to protect democracy.

    Ignoring a Trade deal that would help Americans, for a year, letting it sit rather than give the Trump Administration any good deed done.

    The Democrats have shown themselves to be petty, petulant, acting as childish in their efforts to impeach as Trump is with his tweets.

    The outcome of November is all but sealed.

    1. gregas profile image81
      gregasposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Trump actually got more than he is accused of asking for from Ukraine. He brought out just how crooked we have all expected the the democrats have been for so long.

      1. Don W profile image84
        Don Wposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Exactly which aspect of the impeachment investigation, and the decision to impeach Donald Trump by the House, do you feel demonstrates the Democrats are "crooked"?

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          How about refusing the opposing party the ability to call witnesses?

          While I didn't watch the whole farce, some of it was on in the background and it was quite interesting as they headed into the vote: all Democrats got 2 minutes to give their rousing little speech while all Republicans were graciously granted a whole 30 seconds to say their part.  All fair, reasonable and above board, of course - nothing "crooked" here!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            It's probably because they hate Trump, and not because he  abused his power. This is why Trump didn't take part in the impeachment proceedings. He was invited to put his case forward, but instead ignored the invite and stonewalled the process.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image91
              Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Ah, revisionist history, you are very good at that, problem is the Democrats shut the Republicans out of the process not allowing them to call witnesses of their choosing.

              And now they have the audacity to try and tell the Senate how it has to do its job, after they made a mockery of their own process.

              It is stunning to watch, or should be, for someone as old as you, who can remember when the governing of the country was based on facts, not on how people feel... or what they hypothesized might have happened.

              We have our 'governing' body, the House, impeaching a person based on what they THINK Trump might have been doing, they cannot prove with concrete certainty any of their accusations.

              It appears the Democrats are trying to negate the coming election in 2020, are proving themselves to be disconnected, power hungry and unconcerned with anyone's opinions other than their own.

              It is interesting to watch, I just don't believe they are going to get their way, either with the Senate, or the American voters.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                And which witnesses did the Republicans want to call, Ken? Schiff himself probably, and Hunter Biden who had no part in the Drug deal" as termed by Bolton. And the WB, who cannot be exposed according to the law.

                What a joke! Those on the Right didn't have any defense for Donnie's actions and so they attacked the process. If they are serious about this then they will allow witnesses to be called in the Senate trial. We should all be wanting that.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image91
          Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Oh, I don't know, their own words and actions.

          "Pelosi Has LOST CONTROL As Democrats Laugh And Cheer"
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EODFueuoNYk

      2. Ken Burgess profile image91
        Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, I agree, Trump comes out of this a huge winner, and the Republicans will reclaim the House in 2020.

        After 2020 it will be HIS Republican party, and it will push his agendas through.

        If you had asked me a year ago if I thought the Democrats would not only Impeach him on nothing, but be backing creepy sleepy Joe Biden as the guy they want to replace Trump, I would have laughed and said they couldn't be that idiotic.

        But here we are... its a damned shame, I actually thought there was a chance that we would get a legitimate candidate worthy of considering.

      3. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Nice to see you again, Gregas.

      4. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        What crimes do you know about that we don't, Greg?

    2. crankalicious profile image91
      crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Ken,

      I do like these two paragraphs:

      The Democrats could have done one of two things after 2018 put them in charge of the House. They could have taken the high road, looked to 2020, got behind the fresh new ideas and new faces the presented themselves for nomination.

      They could have used their platform to support the changes people have long been asking for, supporting Trump in his few good actions while denouncing his bad ones, and staying above his prodding tweets.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image91
        Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Yes,

        But they did not do those things.  And while what they did do, fed the desires of the likes of Randy and Valeant here, I don't think that does the Democrats as a Party much good.

        If ultimately the desired result is to remove Trump and move America in another direction, they have taken the wrong road to getting to there.

        Feeding the wants of those on the far left, emboldens them to act even more ignorant and arrogant (as can be seen in these threads), makes them believe they are actually winning this battle with the American people.

        But the Dems are not, they are losing supporters... when the Democrats come across as the spoiled ones, as the ones not playing fair, as the ones more extreme... they will lose support of the American people.

        Ramrodding an Impeachment through because that is what your base wants you to do, because you despise the guy, because you feel cheated out of the last election does not win you support from middle of the road Americans who could care less about this stuff.

        It will not have the results the Democrats hoped for... it will not get him removed from office, and it will not get the American people to support them, it will in fact push them into supporting Trump for much the same reasons they did last time... but more will do so now... because they can see the country is getting along just fine with him in charge... the doomsday events promised if he were elected never came.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          At any rate, the democrats are standing their ground on trying to rid this country of a POTUS who's shown he disregards his oath of office. I find this a noble cause despite you and your fellow enablers ignoring  and even encouraging his criminality. Be proud, Ken?!

  2. Valeant profile image98
    Valeantposted 2 months ago

    Actually, the Democrats have done exactly what the American people voted them into the majority of the House to do - hold Trump accountable to the Constitution.  That's something the GOP was not up to task in doing and the reason they lost control of the House in near-record fashion.

    The Democrats had two options, allow Trump to continue to break laws to cheat in elections, which would ensure his ability to gain re-election.  Or to impeach him and try and give America elections free of foreign interference.

    I think they're going to be more than rewarded as voters recognize how corrupt the GOP has become in declaring Trump innocent even before the trial and admitting to coordinating the trial with the accused.  Both actions would be grounds for kicking someone off a jury and yet the GOP flaunts their lawlessness openly now.  America is sick of their pretentiousness and their blind sheep following, and 2020 is going to be a reckoning against Trump's lies and deceit.

 
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