The Emoluments Clause from past to present

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  1. Eastward profile image90
    Eastwardposted 18 months ago

    The Emoluments Clause has been the subject of much debate (and legal action) considering how Trump's significant business interests may overlap with his duties as President. The House did not include violations of the Emoluments Clause in the Articles of Impeachment, but lawsuits continue to this day regarding Trump's D.C. hotel.  Discerning whether or not Trump is in violation is a complex matter that has legal experts at odds. Given that the question of violation still lingers, what are your thoughts on the strength and usefulness of the Emoluments Clause as it stands?

    There are countless articles on this subject, but here are a few to get you started that contain their own rabbit-hole of links:

    What is the Emoluments Clause
    https://www.britannica.com/story/what-i … nts-clause

    What To Know About the History of Emoluments and Impeachment
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/173102

    Trump: Not first wealthy president, but unique conflicts of interest
    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/ … f-interest

    A brief history of the Emoluments Clause:
    https://juliesilverbrook.com/2016/11/15 … ts-clause/

    D.C. attorney general sues Trump’s inaugural committee over Trump hotel booking:
    https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/ … gural.html

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      It will be very interesting to see what Trump's taxes will show. Just another brick in the wall....

      1. Eastward profile image90
        Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        It certainly will, Randy. I hope we get to see them soon (or at least that Congress does). I wasn't sure where things were at with the tax return case, so I looked it up https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/2 … ase-108480

        It seems it's tied to the larger issue of whether or not Congress can sue the White House.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          There's no doubt the new king will endeavor to stop their release to the public, EW. Tyrants always try to limit knowledge to their peasants.

          I did't hate him before, but now I'm beginning to abhor his enablers instead.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I predict 4 more years of impeachment attempts.  Unless, of course, the Democrats are kicked out of the House and that body can go back to what it's supposed to do - run the country - rather than spend its time and our money trying to get rid of their political rival. 

            But whether they do or not, I'm pretty sure they will continue to harass the President over anything they can get a corrupt judge to sign off on.  Really quite pathetic, and I begin to abhor those that support this kind of partisan, politically motivated action.

          2. Eastward profile image90
            Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Agreed. If there was anything that would paint him in an at all favorable light in his taxes, they'd already be released. Keeping the knowledge from the "peasants" is likely important for maintaining his voter base.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              You sound like Randy:  "If I don't have a real, provable, answer I'll make one up: one that fits snugly within my prejudices and biases and can be used to feed and grow those them."

              1. Eastward profile image90
                Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Being condescending without providing any input on how Trump's blatant lying to all of us and saying he will release his taxes (among countless other things) hardly seems to put you on the high ground here, Wilderness. I guess this is our queue to ask for the logic that we seem to be missing on why another Trump lie is really in our best interest. So, care to fill us in?

                And for good measure:
                https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politi … -1.3061868

                https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ … 7836227723

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions … story.html

                https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics … a-supercut

                https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/ … rns-218160

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Tell me; why do you want to see his taxes?  The IRS has already gone over them with a fine tooth comb for illegal actions - why do YOU wish to see them?

                  Is it to gather financial information to harm his businesses?
                  Is it for insider trading?
                  Is it simple curiosity?
                  Is it to rage about how little taxes the law makes him pay?
                  Is it for political purpose, to spin legal actions into something bad?
                  Without the supporting documents, not part of the tax forms sent in, you can't even tell if his deductions were legal - what do you hope to gain?

                  But in any case it was YOU who stated: "Agreed. If there was anything that would paint him in an at all favorable light in his taxes, they'd already be released".  Is there any way to read this but "I don't know what his tax forms say so will assume (there's that word we heard so much of in the trial) that he has criminally abused the tax code"?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    So what has he got to hide, Dan? Can you assure us he's not in Putin's or MSB's pocket, and would it make any difference to you if he were?

                    Didn't he say he'd be glad to release his returns, Dan? Did you really believe him? lol PT was correct!

                  2. Eastward profile image90
                    Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    I'll keep the answer simple. The reason I want to see Trump's tax returns is to hold him to his own standard. Trump is the one that said he would release them. He didn't. He lied and used his lawyers to fight their release. So, I'd say that's begging for some speculation.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  We're simply "Trump" haters so we aren't worth explaining the kings actions to, .EW. Ask Dan!

                  1. Eastward profile image90
                    Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    I've been reading up on lèse-majesté and how it applies to life in the Kingdom of Thailand. I didn't anticipate needing to analyze how it would apply to the Kingdom of 'Murica.

  2. GA Anderson profile image93
    GA Andersonposted 17 months ago

    Well, I see the intended emoluments discussion didn't get off the ground. Damn! And after all that reading too. ;-)

    GA

    1. Eastward profile image90
      Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      It's the thought that counts, right? big_smile

      1. GA Anderson profile image93
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        No. Actions matter.

        GA

        1. Eastward profile image90
          Eastwardposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Could you please forward that statement to 2020? wink

 
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