NYT: Russia helping Trump again in the 2020 election

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 16 months ago

    Trump replaced McGuire, the DNI because he reported Russia was aiding Trump in the election again. He replaced him with another inexperienced crony because of the report, which the House Intel committee is looking into.

    Is anyone surprised?

    1. MizBejabbers profile image89
      MizBejabbersposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, I don't think the Russians have ever stopped their hacking into our government. Why should anyone be surprised at this news?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        They shouldn't be.  Nor should they be surprised if other countries, any country, is found to be doing the same.  There is a constant cyber war going on and it's everyone for themselves.

      2. profile image0
        promisemposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Anyone who still denies Russian help for Trump is an idiot, a traitor or a Russian operative.

        It's really that simple.

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          How about if someone thinks that that "Russian help" was more to create division than to specifically help Pres. Trump, what is that person?

          To be more clear, I think Russia's primary purpose, then and now, is to create division, more so than to promote one candidate over another.  I can imagine that if Hillary's election would have created the divisiveness that Trump's did, then their efforts would have been to promote her.

          GA

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Hillary wasn't self centered enough to buy Putin's bullshit, Gus. Nor did she need his money to keep living a lavish lifestyle because she was a bad business person.

            Why do you think Deutsche Bank was the only financial lender who would trust him to repay his debts, and even then Trump sued them when they tried to collect, and guess what? They loaned him another billion on top of the two billion he already owed them.

            Any of you financial wizards out there wanta chime in on this smart banking practice?  tongue

          2. profile image0
            promisemposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            It's a rationalization that belongs in category #1.

            1. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this
              1. profile image0
                promisemposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                Then why keep replying to me and trying to provoke an argument?

                It seems you can't tolerate disagreement of any kind, even when people including me have tried to meet you halfway. Very Trump.

          3. IslandBites profile image89
            IslandBitesposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Wishful thinking, maybe?

            That's not what the experts say.


            Btw, do you really think a Hillary win would have been less divisive? LOL

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              promisemposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, wishful thinking + rationalization.

            2. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              To answer the last, first, yes, I do think Hillary's election would have been less divisive. Not a better presidency, just a less divisive one.

              As for wishful thinking . . .  my comment wasn't to deny that the Russian involvement wasn't intended to help Trump, it was to that helping Trump might have been thought to be more nationally divisive than helping Hillary.

              To that point, consider the recent announcement that the Russians are also interfering to help Sanders. Do you think their intention is to help Sanders become president?

              Hold on now, I understand that there is the perspective that Sanders would be the easiest opponent for Trump to beat, so helping him win the nomination could amount to helping Trump, (damn, this circular reasoning is making me dizzy), get reelected, but, is that possibility enough to completely discount the idea there their purpose is more for division than a preference for a particular candidate?

              My initial response was just a thought spurred by the recent announcement of the Sanders interference. It wasn't a declaration or wishful thinking, it was just a thought.

              geez, I better get my act together. ;-)

              GA

              1. IslandBites profile image89
                IslandBitesposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                They did the same in 2016. Obviously, it wasn't and it is not at the same level that they helped Trump.

                So I guess that's your answer.

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                  They did what the same in 2016? Interfere to help Sanders? Did I miss your intent?

                  GA

                  1. IslandBites profile image89
                    IslandBitesposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes, they did.

              2. Eastward profile image90
                Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                Just a quick note on Russians supporting division, in the documentary The Great Hack (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … ok-netflix), they claim that Russian sources took out Facebook ads, created pages and events, etc. in order to fuel division and agitate both sides of issues. Black Lives Matter was one example they used as a movement they attempted to co-opt (not to say there isn't a genuine black lives matter movement) and create heated opposition against.

                1. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for the link. I had also heard that. Apparently I missed that they also tried to help Sanders in 2016, but that would seem in line with the point of your linked article.

                  GA

          4. Ken Burgess profile image89
            Ken Burgessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            These threads are entertaining to say the least, quite interesting to see so many buy into the fabrications and falsehoods of the media and alphabet agencies.

            CNN, MSNBC, NYTimes are examples of institutions of anti-American, pro-Globalization, pro-Corporation powers that exist to program the American people, they are a source of propaganda for entities that do not have American citizen's best interests in mind, and that do not tell the truth, they distort, or fabricate.

            People who believe these sources of information and consider them reliable and factual are unwitting "idiot[s], a traitor or a Russian [or Chinese, or Iranian] operative.

            It is the duty of every American to question the validity of all information coming from the likes of CNN, that is time after time caught fabricating stories, calling opinions fact, and pushing a corporate globalist agenda.

            Anyone who is soft minded enough to believe their lies about Trump being a Russian puppet, an anti-Semite, a traitor to the country as he is portrayed daily by the media are the very fools that will sell this nation, and their own futures, down the toilet.

            The very people who rail against Trump, and believe him to be a fascist tyrant, will allow the Democratic Party to be hijacked by a true racist, sexist, fascist who will actually be the very things all Trump's opponents believe him to be. 

            As the truly interesting and worthwhile candidates like Yang and Tulsi are denigrated and swept aside, and the likes of Sanders and Warren are stifled by the DNC... we will watch Bloomberg or a stand-in puppet for him take the nomination.

            1. Readmikenow profile image97
              Readmikenowposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              Well said.  I can add nothing but to emphasize you hit all the major points in your usual clear and articulate manner.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 16 months agoin reply to this

              Oh yes! Well said.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                Yes, don't believe our intelligence agencies as Trump knows more than they do. What a joke he is!

            3. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              So you don't believe US intelligence agencies, Ken? But instead you believe a habitual liar who continues to call everything involving him a hoax. Okay!

    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Are you sure it's Trump the Russians are helping?   Just read an article in the Dem's Bible WaPo that the Russians have decided to help Bernie win. Guess they are not pleased with the treatment they got from Trump. Maybe they think Bernie would be a better puppet? Hey, gotta believe the good old Washington Post and every other Media outlet that is posting the story. It could be fake news.

      https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/21/poli … /index.htm

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/p … ussia.html

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/21/bernie- … paign.html

  2. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 16 months ago

    Further news on this event. McGuire had the guts to report to Adam Schiff and the House Russia is following a similar playbook used in the 2016 election. For this, he was replaced with a person who has no experience at all in the intelligence service.

    Trump was irate when Nunes reportedly told him of McGuire's telling the committee of what he had learned. He obviously doesn't want to be reelected with another Russian cloud over his head.

    So why does Russia want to help him win? What's in it for Russia they'd go so far to make sure Trump remained in office? If this doesn't make you think about Trump's involvement with Putin, then you're no patriot at all.

    1. Eastward profile image90
      Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      A colleague claims to know a former high level Russian official (don't believe he has any reason to lie) and said he was told "Trump is our revenge for Gorbachev". Make of that what you will.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        It's obvious Putin has some sort of hold on Trump. There's no other explanation for the way Donnie's acting, EW. Why is Deutsche Bank the only place Trump can borrow money?

        1. Eastward profile image90
          Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          His relationship with Deutsche Bank is certainly a twisted one. From trying to stiff them, and sue them, to them being his lender again. The November elections can't come soon enough, Randy. I just hope that the DNC doesn't self-destruct in the process (by nominating someone other than the candidate the voters choose).

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Don't forget EW, every day there's some sort of scandal involving Trump. He is so corrupt, there's no chance  we can forget what a piece of shit he really is. Sorry to be so blunt....but there it is. roll

            1. Eastward profile image90
              Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              No worries there, Randy. There's no danger in me forgetting the ongoing scandals of Trump and gang (and no need to mince words as far as I'm concerned). He seems to truly enjoy being as much of a POS as he can be (as I'm sure his criminal friends do). It's going to take us a long time to live this one down.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                Trump is pissed because the DNI did his duty and reported the Russian interference to the correct authorities instead of covering it up.

                The flunkey he replaced the DNI with is over 17 intel agencies and has no intel experience at all. Sounds about normal for Trump, eh?

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                  PrettyPantherposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                  I heard on the news this morning that some Republicans are saying the firing was justified because the DNI made Trump "look bad."

                  How Putin-like.

                  And, as now expected, the Trump cult finds this to be perfectly acceptable. See how easily authoritarianism can take hold? This is really scary.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                    Trump doesn't need any help to "look bad," Sandy. He's been doing this his entire life. And Republicans always think Trump is justified whenever he does anything wrong. No surprise there.

                  2. Eastward profile image90
                    Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                    It is terrifying how close the US is getting to outright fascism. I didn't think it was possible in the United States, but here we are.

                2. Eastward profile image90
                  Eastwardposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                  That does sound about par for the course for Trump. He loves to put his toadies in charge of things they have no business "leading".

    2. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Or simply someone biased to the point that they will continue to believe that Trump is colluding with Putin after 2 years of intensive investigation utterly failed to produce any evidence of that.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Trump's own hand-picked DNI reported it, Dan. Are you saying he's biased?

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          Link, please, showing that Trump is colluding/has colluded with Putin to fix an election?

          There is little (no) doubt that Russia has attempted and will continue to attempt to push our elections in whatever direction they see as profitable to them.  Just as every other developed nation has done/will continue to do, and that most definitely includes the US "interfering" with the elections of other countries.

          But that is NOT the same as collusion with Putin, which is what you said, with the added caveat that if you don't believe in that particular fairy tale then you as no patriot.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            lol Please point out where I used the word "colluding or collusion'' in my post, Dan.

            I spoke of "Trump's involvement with Putin," but it was in reference to his contacts with him monetarily, re the Moscow Tower and other business he's had with Russia. Such as selling oligarchs real estate for exorbitant profits. 

            I wonder why Eric Trump said several years ago they got most of their money from Russia? Do you?

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              "Trump's involvement with Putin"

              Did you mean something else?  Perhaps trade agreements?  If you mean monetarily, please provide links showing Trump and Putin in a business agreement or other arrangement whereby they exchange money.

              (Hint: "Russia" does not equate with "Putin" any more than "Trump" means "America".)

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                I said exactly what I meant, Dan. Didn't you accuse me of a lack of reading comprehension a few days ago? You need to take your own advice.

                Putin wasn't involved the Moscow Tower project?  Seriously? And Putin IS Russia at this point, never doubt it.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                  If Putin IS Russia, then Trump IS America.  That feels good to you?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                    No indeed, Trump isn't smart enough to be a Putin. Trump thought there were airports during the Revolution. DOH! yikes

              2. profile image0
                promisemposted 16 months agoin reply to this

                We have posted links on these forums many, many times over the last several years about the financial connections between Trump and Russian billionaires in bed with Putin.

                Many of the posts have gone straight to you.

                Either you have a bad memory or you are pretending those posts never existed. Regardless, please use search engines to find that information. It's widely available.

    3. MizBejabbers profile image89
      MizBejabbersposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      "So why does Russia want to help him win?"

      Randy, this old lady remembers when, back in 1956, Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev was in the U.S. He was visiting a farm in Iowa (I believe it was) and told our President Eisenhower: "... We will bury you from within.
      "https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-put-trump-online-letters-20180716-story.html

      You will find other reports that he said this in 1960 and later in 1962 at a meeting in Poland. So apparently he kept repeating his threat. I distinctly remember our newspapers reporting the first story and our teacher discussing this with us in school. This was during the Cold War when the U.S. was still feeling very patriotic.
      We all thought the statement was too incredulous to take seriously. Now in this day and age, we would all be better off if we took it seriously and believed it.
      But since we have folks who say the Holocaust never happened and man never set foot on the moon, why should any red-blooded American take it seriously and equate it to Russian hacking in our presidential elections and helping to install their own puppet at the head of our government. Putin doesn't give a dang about Trump. He just wants somebody he can manipulate.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        "Putin doesn't give a dang about Trump. He just wants somebody he can manipulate."

        Putin has found the perfect stooge to manipulate in Trump, Miz. As long as someone brags on him and accepts his lies, he'll do anything anytime anywhere to keep the adulation going. Pathetic actually. sad

      2. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Someone that can be manipulated, or any of a hundred other reasons.  Perhaps someone that will sell them Uranium.  Someone that will foster trade deals.  Someone that will work towards world peace.  Someone that will turn the other way under Russian aggression. 

        Or even someone that won't treat them as the ultimate evil or attempt to revive the cold war.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          The old uranium deal has also been explained many times, but you still don't get it.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            And if you don't like that one lawmaker was instrumental in arranging that deal, you get to ignore the rest of it and maintain that the country of Russia (meaning a single person there that micro manages every action taken by every Russian citizen) has only one reason to attempt manipulation of an election.

            Good thinking!

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              There were 8 lawmakers who made the decision, Dan. Not even a close try. You don't know what the rules of the agreement required, do you?

  3. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 16 months ago

    Claims made that Russia influenced the election in favor of Trump. A study by noted psychologist Robert Epstein presents convincing data that Google influenced the same election for Hillary (more hard data, by the way, than has been presented for the Russia influence theory)

    Who do you think has more power to manipulate opinion in America today. Russia or Google?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Good point, for there is absolutely no doubt as to the answer to that question.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      I read Epstein's paper and it's an opinion piece with no proof any votes were changed but lots of speculation based on his research.

      1. Live to Learn profile image79
        Live to Learnposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        You are correct. It was opinion based on research of data. The opposing view is also opinion based on review of data.

        Neither can provide proof that any votes were changed.

        So....what's your point?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

          I haven't studied Mueller's investigation enough to see if Epstein's research is better or worse than his. Is it? Mueller had more info to go through, I'd imagine.

          1. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            I think we can both be certain if proof existed of changed votes the major news networks would have had a party with you invited.

            But, facts don't really matter. Two opinions, conflicting conclusions, and you have repeatedly insisted opinion you agreed with was fact.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

              And you haven't? lol

              What did Mueller say about the Russians interfering, LTL? Or do you consider him a Trump hater? I said I'd rely more on Mueller's data then Epsteins.

  4. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 16 months ago

    Nat'l Security Adviser: Russia's Not Trying to Help Trump Win
    Robert O'Brien denies report that Moscow is working to throw the 2020 election

    "There's no indication that Russia has its fingers in the 2020 election or is working to get the president re-elected, says a top Trump official. “The national security adviser gets pretty good access to our intelligence," National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien told ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos on Sunday. “I haven't seen any intelligence that Russia is doing anything to attempt to get President Trump re-elected.” O'Brien's comment came after he was asked about reports that an intelligence professional told members of the House intelligence committee that it was Russia's aim to favor Trump in the election. Some officials familiar with the classified briefing said lawmakers were told that Russia was taking steps that would help Trump. And Democratic frontrunner Bernie Sanders said Friday that he was briefed last month by officials about Russian efforts to boost his candidacy."

    https://www.newser.com/story/287313/nat … gn=rss_top

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 16 months agoin reply to this

      I am going to borrow a quote from Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make"?

      Just venting -- We have not been able to stop Russia, China,
      and who the hell knows what other countries from attempting to interfere in our election.  It seems the Dems are looking once again, and I must say way ahead of the election to blame Russia once again for Trump winning! Wake - up this is stupid, ridiculous, and crazy...

      As I have been saying over and over here on HP. Dems get yourself a good candidate. Stop scapegoating, it is getting so old...

      In the end ---- all the blaming has gotten the Dems nowhere. So, I say what difference does it make. Trump will win, and it's not the fault of the Russian. It's the fault of the DNC.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, and if the democratic nominee wins, then it's the fault of the RNC? Makes perfect sense! tongue

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 16 months agoin reply to this

          No, the RNC is supporting Trump and his agenda. At least most from the Republican party is. They pretty much know by the numbers that have turned out for the primaries. They are not as artful as the DNC at getting rid of a candidate they just don't want. Plus they are willing to hear the voice of the people.

          https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/1 … out-115338

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

            Of course not! lol You can decide for the Left, and the Left can't decide for the Right. A Trumpism if I ever saw one! tongue

            Indeed, "the voice of the Russian people."

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 16 months agoin reply to this

              Not even sure what you mean by that? I was pretty clear in my opinion. Your response, not so much...

    2. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 16 months agoin reply to this

      Is this Trump's latest flunky replacement for the DNI who has no intel experience whatsoever, Ken?

 
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