Systemic Racism and Defunding the police...What's in a name?

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   jackclee lmposted 4 years ago

   Recent events, as a result of the George Floyd killing by a police officer, we are having a discussion across the country about race and about the police...
   Words have meaning and to me, when you support "defunding the police" you are talking about doing away with an institution.
   It is the same as abolishing ICE. During the immigration debate, some congressmen are calling for abolishing ICE as an agency.
   Any sane person knows that we cannot do that.
   The Police and ICE exists for a good reason. You might not like what some of those people that work in the police and ICE do or you might disagree with our national policies dealing with illegal immigration, or crime...but doing away with them is not the answer.
   
   In fact, apparently, even some of the people who support this, say they don't really mean it. They don't want to eliminate the police, just reform it.
   Well, to that, I say why are you calling it something you don't mean?
   What is the logic of using a term that is so offensive?

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      jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Here is explanation of defunding the police -
      https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p … e-1007254/
      
      Do you buy it?

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Here is what actually happened -
         
         https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapoli … epartment/

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         Miebakagh57posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Jackclee, defunding the police? Why ask to buy it? It is must absurd.

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      peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe my English is not good enough. But I thought "defunding the police" means giving less money to the police. Doesn't it?
      That is something completely different than "doing away with an institution."
      I don't know any country that hasn't a policeforce in one form or another. And I don't think the US will be a country without a police force within the next 100 years...

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         You seem to be a reasonable thinking people. There are some in the extreme that actually wants to get rid of a police force and replace with social workers...
         The latest experiment in Seattle is front and center.
         An area of downtown is sectioned off with barriers called CHOP zone where they are a police free zone. This will not end well, as shooting are already happening...

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            jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I think your English is fine. It is these radical groups that are confusing the issues. "Defund the Police" means taking money away and when you do that they are not able to function or perform their function.
            Instead, a better terminology should be "Reform the Police"...
            Why don't they use that term if that is really what they mean?

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               peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Language is a tricky thing. And on both sides of the political spectrum politicians are using tons of euphemisms. That's a worldwide phenomenon... When a company is talking about reforms, they generally mean sacking people... etc.
               There should be a political slang dictionary...;-)

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                  jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  In IBM, where I used to work, they call it Resource Action. It really means layoff.

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                     peterstreepposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, that's another one.

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      Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Jack, I see this as a media play to inspire the less than intelligent on the left.  They don't think things through and act on emotion.  Any sane and rational person knows having police is a necessity of life. 
      
      The left plays on emotions rather than intelligence.  This is designed to give them a feeling of punishing all police for the action of one policeman.  They refuse to think about all of the heroic things police do every day.  It's like the old saying "I do a hundred things right and nobody remembers.  I do one thing wrong and nobody forgets." 
      
      I could provide proof that more whites are killed by police than blacks.
      
      I could provide evidence of white people being killed in the same way as George Floyd and yet it isn't played again and again in the news cycle.  Anyone who doubts this research the death of Tony Timpa by Dallas police. 
      
      It's not about any of that...it's about the left feeling they have power and are in control no matter what the consequences or the situation.

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         jackclee lmposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         yes, check out this classic Paul Harvey tribute to the Policeman -
         https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/mark … policemen/

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