Debate Time, Joe, whatever you do, DON'T BLOW IT

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   Credence2posted 4 years ago

   First of all, this will put to rest the idea that you are "hiding" and avoiding confrontation with Trump.
   
   Attack without mercy and be aware that your opponent is a man without honor, so don't make the mistake of underestimating the depths to which he would descend.
   
   Play up his total mismanagement of the pandemic which is directly related to the lackluster nature of the economy. The richest nation on Earth has the most dismal statistics relating to infections and deaths over any other nation.
   
   For you "hard headed" rightwinger types he is a chart for your perusal
   
   https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir … as-spread/
   
   They accused Obama of coming up short in "bringing us together", ask Trump, now that he is at the helm, how has he made it better?
   
   Ask Trump about the efficacy of a system that allows so wealthy a person to pay virtually no income taxes?
   
   I want him endlessly challenged and confronted, take your cutlass to him and strike without mercy. I want to see his entrails all over the stage (figuratively) of course.
   
   The die hard Trumpers are drones and are possession of fixed programs but for thinking people who have doubts either way as to how to vote, they must be convinced that Trump is not the way to go.
   
   You don't get a second chance to make a first impression, so go the full Monte on this one.....

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Put your mind at rest, Credence.  After the debates, all you will have to do is find any liberal website and you can fill your head to overflowing with praise for Joe's performance.  Or with disdain about Trump's; take your choice.
      
      As long as you don't read too closely, or question anything said, you'll be fine.

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         Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         So, Wilderness, am I to believe the conservative websites that would be obsessed with denigrating Biden's performance?
         
         Your man will now be front and center, let's see if he can take the heat?
         
         On the contrary, I intend to both watch and listen intently.

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            wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            He can't (take the heat).  Neither can Biden, from what I've seen.  I predict that at least the time they won't answer the question, but drift off into what they want to talk about.  I may watch the (predicted) fiasco, I may not.

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      Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Which candidate are you talking about?
      
      
      

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         Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Are you being facetious? You know who I speak of and I remain adamant in this stand.
         
         What is this about Goverment Dependent? Did you not tell me once that you once were this hot shot Army NCO with great responsibility? Seem to me for you to have reached this lofty perch, you would have had to serve over 20 years and earned a military retirement, and if you did not stay that long, you just as easily could have.
         
         Does that not make you "government dependent"?

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   I would like to see Biden coherent and able to hold his own for this first debate but I don't have much hope of that.
   
   It is possible the moderators have followed in the steps of Donna Brazil and given him the questions in advance, so maybe he will be able to hold his own.

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, this will be the make or break moment, does Biden enhance the view of his being senile and incoherent or will he remain competent and in command of the facts while waiting for Trump to virtually trip over his own tongue?
      
      We will see tonight and I can hardly wait.

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         C'mon Cred; is there anything Joe could do or say tonight that would "break" you - cause your vote to stray from him?

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry, Wilderness I just have so many basic problems with Trump that virtually the devil, himself, would be a preferable choice.
            
            Honestly, I am a progressive and Democrat, so from my perspective Biden is the last gasp in the case for civility. Of course, he wasn't my preferred choice, but there is nothing that I can do about that now.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Then there will be no "break" moment will there?  A touch of sadness, maybe, or a tear, but no "break".  That's all I meant.

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  If Biden screws up and it resonates around the country, I could be stuck with Trump for another 4 years, truly a fate worse than the frying pan.

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            PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I have to say, that is a truly fascinating question, coming from a Trumper.
            
            Social scientists will be studying the Trump supporter psyche for decades to come.
            
            There is plenty Biden could say that would cause me to not vote for him.
            
            "It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait.
            And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
            
            I only need one.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               *shrug*  I predict it won't happen.  As with Credence, it doesn't matter what Joe will say; you will cast your vote for him.  If necessary you will pretend you didn't hear it, or turn it into something it wasn't.

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  It not so much that, it is that Trump is so revolting in so many ways, there virtually nothing that Biden can do within reason to draw me away from him.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  You are projecting.

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         Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I was able to stomach 25 minutes of it, for a while it was comical, I got a few laughs... and then it sunk in these are the only two options we have for the next 4 years, bad and worse.
         
         Corrupt and Pro-American vs. Corrupt Senile and Sell-Out America.

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I watched it all and I don't think that people were substantially moved either way as a result.

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               wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I think you're right.  Both sides scored a couple of points, and both sides looked like total fools outside that little bit.

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                  Readmikenowposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  The only takeaway I had from the debate is that President Donald Trump doesn't like Biden as much as Biden doesn't like President Donald Trump.
                  
                  I don't think the debate changed anybody's mind.  I still can't vote for Biden.  My liberal cousin is still disgusted by President Donald Trump. 
                  
                  I do believe the Democrats WILL try to cheat with the mail-in ballots...and that worries me.

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                     wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     I was a little surprised that Trump didn't jump on yesterday's news that 100,000 ballots were mailed to the wrong address in Brooklyn.  I was also a little surprised that he didn't jump on Bidens insistence that "the people" get an opportunity to have a voice in the appointment of a SCOTUS judge - they most definitely DID have a voice 4 years ago and made it plain who they wanted to be making that appointment.

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                        IslandBitesposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I was also a little surprised that he didn't jump on Bidens insistence that "the people" get an opportunity to have a voice in the appointment of a SCOTUS judge - they most definitely DID have a voice 4 years ago and made it plain who they wanted to be making that appointment.
                        
                        I think he did, but not as insistent. Biden justify his point by saying that this election has already started and that Trump would still have time after the election.

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                           wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           You know, this reminds me of what I understood when the UK voted to leave the EU.  An immediate cry went up to have a re-vote, then another - liberals don't accept that the people spoke 4 years ago, so want a different vote.  And, no doubt, yet another if they still don't get the result desired.
                           
                           I'm unaware of any states that began voting before Ginsberg's death, not that it would make any difference.  Fact is, the people voted 4 years ago, and had their say then.

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                        Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't think Trump did well at all.
                        
                        I don't think the moderator cutting him off consistently helped.
                        
                        I think he struggled with Biden laughing at him and disrespecting him.
                        
                        I don't know how the rest of it went, but after 25 minutes I have a feeling the rest went the same way.
                        
                        They both have BS positions... Biden's BS of he would have done things different with Corona and the lock-down, that he would have saved more lives was BS... IE -  Gov. Cuomo put Covid patients in with the elderly that cost thousands of lives, it was plenty of people responsible... and it was no one... it is a virus.
                        
                        Its not like, say, declaring war on Iraq, or trying to topple Syria by covert means, where your decisions are responsible for all lives lost in that circumstance.
                        
                        If it wasn't for Biden's obvious moments of mental break-down and inability to put his thoughts together as he babled nonsensically I would have said he won the debate... but what does that matter, he is a corrupt establishment puppet that will do no good for working Americans or the Nation on the whole.

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                           wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           Neither one did well at all.  Trump with his non-stop mouth, Biden with his name calling and refusal to address the questions asked.  But I will say that both were reasonably well-behaved up to the point you left.  It got worse after that.
                           
                           It was a direct loss for the people of America.

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   PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

   I honestly don't know what to expect during this debate. I know Trump will be nasty because that is his MO. I am curious to see how Biden handles that.
   
   To you Trumpers who have bought into Trump's drumbeat that Biden is senile, old, weak, bumbling...keep spreading the word!  In 2016, Trump benefited from low expectations.  This time, he stupidly set up Joe as the one to not expect to perform well. His aides have shut him up about that in recent days. Of course, I doubt you noticed that.
   
   Anyway, my only question is how petty and asinine will Trump be, and what will be Biden's response? Will Trump control himself or will the petulant child run wild?

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Speaking of drugs , Trump should have a Prozac or Valium before the debate to keep his "toddler side" under control.

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         PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Lol, we'll see. I wonder if part of Biden's strategy will be to poke the baby 'til he cries.

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      wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Biden will be at least as nasty, using prettier words to do it.  He will use gross exaggerations and spun "truths" to throw dirt.  He will take things out of context to make his mud pies with.
      
      So will Trump.  In other words both will behave as politicians, not caring about truth as long as they can convince the public their opponent is vile and evil.

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   Pp brings up valid points about Trump's lack of civility in debates. We saw his bar room brawl style last cycle.
   
   I wish the democrats had chosen something other than a doddering old fool as their candidate. I wish the democrats had not worked so hard to support the violence in the streets. I wish the democrats would retire the old guard and let fresh blood, who actually care about the will of the people, have a say. I wish the democrats would so something to make me find respect that I have lost over the last three years of lies, hypocrisy and subterfuge.
   
   For every complaint the left finds against Trump I have complaints against the democratic establishment. A bunch of powerful old fogies with no understanding of the needs and wants of the average citizen who jump any hoop they think might help them retain power. Why people who claim to be intelligent back Joe Biden is a mystery, but I do get a kick out of the hypocrisy.

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I, too, have complaints about the Democratic establishment, that is why I affiliate to Left of it.
      
      The only chance in hell that my view will ever see the light of day is when Democrats return to power because the Republican Party has expressed no interest at all.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sorry you feel that way about the right. But, if the democratic old guard would step aside and let people on the left who are interested in dialogue, independent thinking and the will of the people step forward I might have an ear to listen. Joe Bidenbeing the candidate is, to me, proof positive that the will and desires of the people are of no interest to that party.

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            Ken Burgessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Well Stated.
            
            It is about power and control, and they threaten to "let the dogs of hell" loose on America if they don't get it.

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      PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not fond of the establishment, either, but if I wait for the perfect candidate, I'll die never having voted for anything. A vote for Democrats, right now, is a vote for mostly  fact-based, science-based decision making. It is a vote for a foreign policy that values our allies over murdering dictators. And most of all, it is a vote for competency.

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         wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         "I'm not fond of the establishment, either, but if I wait for the perfect candidate, I'll die never having voted for anything."
         
         Now this we can agree on; I haven't made a positive vote since Ronnie (only negative ones, voting against a candidate rather than for one) and this time will be no different.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         If that belief helps you sleep at night, good on you. I see a vote for Biden as saying tantrums get results. The left in power has lied, wasted tax payer money, pushed for civil unrest and ground government to a halt, thus wasting more tax payer money simply because they are miffed they lost the white house.
         
         I have lost all patience and can't reward ignorance with a vote.

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   Joe did what he needed to do in this debate. He had coherent answers. He dodged answering important questions, but he held his own.
   
   He was no where near as bad as I had anticipated.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   Joe said he is not for the Green New Deal and the trillions it would cost. Joe refused to answer the question about adding judges. He distanced himself from Bernie et al. He denied that his son received money from foreign governments. He called Trump the worst of presidents. He called him a clown and a racist and told him to shut up.
   
   But Trump, who has had the worst of political climates to deal with, who has been trying his best to help the American people, is being called the bully.  Yes, Trump interrupted, but the blatant lies of Biden were too much for him to bear.
   
   And Chris Wallace didn't help much. It was pretty much two against one. The questions were too complicated to answer in a mere two minutes. Insults were hurled in place of true discourse in order to refute the other before the two minutes were up.
   
   It was miserable debate and we need a re-do.
   
   I wish Pence could step in for Trump, (against Biden) to reveal Biden's policies.
   We still do not know what Biden's policies are. (Trump is just too emotional, perhaps because he cares 100 % about America, its prosperity and its freedom.).

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