Joe Biden- Activists Showing The World What They Are

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  1. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago

    Does anyone else find this whole defense of creepy Joe by the activists weird as heck?

    I mean, seriously. He's being accused of groping women. We have video footage, we have eye witness testimony, we have a pattern of behavior, we have a fumbling progression of attempts by Biden to respond. But that's ok because he's, what? A Democrat? Joe Biden? A possible presidential contender?

    Does anyone on the left understand why this looks so bad on their attempts to demonize others for much, much less?

    Is there anyone in that party anyone can find who can mount a presidential campaign which might have some semblance of reason, vision and/or decency? I don't need all three in order to consider you, two definitely. One would be nice. I can't stand the fact that we only have two parties and one has devolved to what we are currently watching.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

      https://www.salon.com/2019/04/01/joe-bi … fe-choice/

      This is just another article from the liberal rag, Salon. But the article touches on my concern and that from those on the left as to how the Democrats can fail, in general, supporting centrists or GOP light types.

      We are going to lose again by not putting enough light between our ideas and policies and those of Trump and the Republicans. We have to be about more than just being Anti-Trump.

      That danger is there and the Republicans are counting on it to keep their Agent Orange" in office for another 4.

      While I will support any Democrat over Trump, and the man is an affable fellow, Joe Biden's time has past as I need a more activist response to the challenges within our society,  today.

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Do you think your thought is representative of mainstream Democrats?

        GA

      2. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        I agree with you, credence. Joe's time has passed. I have been impressed with Warren's rollout of more detailed policies addressing the issues she has been working on for years.

        As for the OP, asking us to view a hair sniffer and shoulder rubber on the same level as a pu$$y grabber who admits to intentionally walking in on undressed underage girls is absurd.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I knew that I could count on you, Panther.

          I like Warren as well and I have virtually begged her to stay away from controversial ideas like reparations for slavery and topics that are unpalatable in today's political climate.

          But she and Sanders have identified and are directing their energies toward the real culprits in our society, and are not just another set of pretty faces.

        2. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Actually, I was referring to the ruination and attempt to ruin the career of quite a few people by the left for the#me too movement.

          The hypocrisy is lost on you. Not surprised.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Really? Whose career was ruined for hair sniffing and shoulder rubbing?

            Biden behaves inappropriately and needs to stop. Good enough for you? No, because you want to equate his behavior to.....what?

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              To what? How about accusations that have no proof, being accepted as gospel?

              Look, I think had anyone given Biden the courtesy of telling him that behavior creeps them out he would have ceased and desisted. But, #me too requires no proof. Yet Biden, with loads of proof, gets a free pass.

              I realize everything with you boils down to 'what about Trump' but not everyone has such tunnel vision where that is all they can see. I wasn't even thinking about Trump when I wrote the OP.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Of course you weren't. You already gave him that pass on his self-admitted sexual assaults yet you want us to think Biden is just as bad.

                And, please tell me one person who was convicted without proof? Public opinion is just that, public opinion, not ruination. Look who's president.

                Geez Loueez.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  I didn't give Trump a pass. I'm not the one screaming #me too. I just wish we could see consistency and not a blind eerie turned when it was convenient.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    I said Biden behaved inappropriately and needs to stop. Is that not good enough for the level of offenses he has committed? What more do you want?

                    And, sorry, voting for a guy (for POTUS, no less!) who publicly admitted to sexually assaulting women and ogling underage girls in dressing rooms IS giving him a pass.

      3. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Credence, I finally took the time to read the Salon article and it is an excellent explanation of how Biden's behavior, while not rising to the level of sexual assault, is sexist and wrong. Like you said, his time has passed.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

          First of all, Panther

          This line of discussion, comparing Biden to Trump is just so much BS.

          Agent Orange, AKA, the Neanderthal in Chief was boasting and is unrepentant regarding his sexual exploits, sexist behaviors and values. Compared to him, Uncle Joe is a rank amateur.

          The other point is that Joe is out of step in many ways, not just in regards to feminism and the expectations of women in the political arena, today

          Additionally, the Republicans are going to find our "Achilles Heel" in Joe Biden, a candidate that would give Democrats the appearance of hypocrisy. This is an image that we can ill afford if we want to get Trump and his henchmen out of Washington.

          I support the premise of the article, that we are better off sticking to our values and bringing out the base in larger numbers, than compromising them to the point where our platform is diluted to bilge water for the voters. It is foolishness to believe that Republicans are ever going to see things our way, so the few votes we might gain from a centrist course from the handful of "moderate Republicans" will turn off much more of the base as a more palatable so much of the same. 

          That is where the victories come, ask the Republicans. They cover Trump's rump regardless of his coarseness and the like. They don't hide the fact that they are operating on "Red Alert" all of the time, with any and all moderates as easy to find as your standard Passenger Pigeon.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            I couldn't agree more. Times are changing and Biden represents the status quo.

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Ha! I agree with your comment Cred. Let's go ice skating.

            But I have a question, Do you think Biden is "out of step" with general American perceptions, or, with the current composition of the Democratic party?

            I would go with the latter. Even though I am not a Democrat supporter, for the good of America I think he would be the best choice. I also think he would be an acceptable choice to non-Democrat anti-Trump voters, (aka Independents).

            Further, I think he would be an acceptable candidate for all but the far-left Democrat voters if their choice was any but a far-left candidate.

            However, I am not sure he could get a fair shake from the DNC, which I think will be driven by the far-left candidates.

            My first thought is, that with the coming disaster of the Democrat's actions relative to the tax return and full Mueller report thing, Biden may be the only candidate that has a chance of beating Trump.

            I truly think the Democrats are going to piss off a major Independent voter segment with their coming "investigative" antics. It is an obvious agenda, and one I think only the far-left will see as legitimately acceptable.

            I will repeat a previous sentiment. I was not a Trump voter, but if the Dems pursue the track I see coming with the report and tax return themes, they may drive me to be an anybody-but-a-democrat Trump voter. And that would really piss me off.

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Your perspective on the tax returns and Mueller report runs counter to the majority of Americans, GA. It is not just the far left who is on board with the Democrats, as of now, anyway.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                That may be true PrettyPanther, or it may not. I am not just speaking of the drive to have those documents released, I am talking about the path I think the Democrats will take once they are.

                My opinion is that they will pursue an agenda of embarrassment as much, (or maybe more), than one of uncovering illegalities.

                GA

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Considering the criminality has already been established (campaign finance felony, use of foundation funds on the campaign), finding out how much more there is seems more than pertinent.

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't think we will long to wait before seeing which perspective is right. The Mueller report/expanded summary will be out soon.

                    GA

                2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  This puzzles me. I honestly don't see how any person, Democrat or otherwise, could embarrass Trump any more than he has embarrassed himself. What could they possibly do that is worse than his own words and behavior, both before he was elected and now as president?

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Maybe embarrass wasn't a good word choice. My thought was that their agenda will be to find more things to club the president with, whether they are illegalities or not.

                    Collusion failed, obstruction seems at best iffy and at worst another failure, campaign finance violation seems to be, at this point, an opinion toss-up, so it's off to the available possible treasure chests to see what else might be found.

                    We will soon see the intent, impact, and repercussions of what they do with these documents.

                    GA

            2. Valeant profile image96
              Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              'I will repeat a previous sentiment. I was not a Trump voter, but if the Dems pursue the track I see coming with the report and tax return themes, they may drive me to be an anybody-but-a-democrat Trump voter. And that would really piss me off.'

              Why would you be against transparency?  Don't you want to know the information found in the report or the motivations behind some of Trump's actions due to his finances?

              If Biden gets past his touchiness, he would be a centrist candidate that many in the Democratic party are looking for.  Yes, there are many options, that are pushing healthcare-for-all, that could get the nomination and would give many independents pause if the party went that far left.

              But there are a good portion of Americans in both parties looking to end the chaos, crassness, and corruption seen within this presidency.  Any honest, moderate candidate will crush Trump as evidenced by the midterm vote swings in keys states.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                I am not against transparency Valeant, although our idea of what that entails may differ. I am against what I think will be the Democratic actions once those documents are released.

                Your closing paragraph, with the addition of the Democrats--regarding the chaos, crassness, and corruption--is the essence of my original point.

                GA

            3. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 3 months agoin reply to this

              GA, I would probably answer you, 'the latter'. Conservatives are traditionalists if nothing else and as I mentioned before, the idea of a female president may well be beyond their comfort zone although they cannot admit that in the public forum.

              The Democrats have moved leftward as the GOP has staked its claim ever further to the right. While a candidate like Biden may well have been acceptable just a decade ago, not now. Donald Trump and his entourage along with ruthlessness of the Right in association with Trump has changed the game for all of us.

              What gets me is that conservatives always want the Democrats to select a centrist candidate while the Republicans exist comfortably at the extremes of right wing politics and nothing is ever said about it.

              While, I am not interested in Molotov cocktails, socialism and all that, the status quo is unacceptable in my mind and needs to move more firmly and forcefully in a progressive direction. I don't see an accomodationalist like Joe Biden giving me what I need in regards to the direction of the party.

              I don't know if it is far left more than just the caustic nature of  partisan politics today. This is not different than the Republicans with their "replace and repeal Obamacare", they were not as keen on replacing as they were interested in repealing. They all voted along their party line, lock step.

              I don't like Trump and I won't hide it. But, I do not support partisan witch hunts just for their own sake.  I did say the if Trump was exonerated by Mueller, we should back off.

              There is no law that requires Trump to submit his tax returns, so House Democrats have no legal basis to pursue it,  regardless of the fact that it appears that the President is hiding something.

              Backing off does not mean that Trump should be considered immune to any further investigations, IF LEGALLY WARRANTED.

              Biden is not Trump, but as a Democrat, I want substantive change. Business as Usual won't do. There is more to it than just  not liking Trump, it is a profound distrust with the GOP, the general course of conservative thought and politics in the Age of Trump, etc, and the direction as to where they take the country.

              Trump supporters are fanatics, and if we don't have our own sources of fanaticism outside of "Not Trump or GOP light", why should the electorate not choose the genuine article with Donald Trump and the Republicans?

              I will take my chances and "stay true to my school" and stoke our constituencies to be inspired and excited to participate in large enough numbers to overwhelm Republicans, moderate or otherwise.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                I'd like to address your comment that a female president would be outside the comfort zone of conservatives. I think that is untrue.

                I think one binding factor for many is that we want someone who would represent the people, across the board.  That was one strike against Hillary. 'I'm a woman, I'm a woman. Vote for me. I'm a woman.' Appeared to be her mantra to get the female vote, 'If you don't vote for me, you can't think independently. Men control you.' was her threat and unforgivable insult.

                If you identify as some form of segment of society, repeatedly shove that in the faces of the voters, you set yourself apart and create the aura of putting that above the more unifying characteristic of being an American citizen, qualified to represent all.

                There have been plenty of women I'd vote for. One has run, others haven't.

                I've said it before and I'll say it again. Obama appealed across party lines during the election process because he represented himself as a man who happened to be black, not a black man, when he first ran for president.

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Do you honestly believe Trump represents anything other than his base?

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Argh. For the thousandth time. I'm not responsible for the two choices presented.  Give us two jerks as our only viable options and we'll get a jerk in the end.

                2. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  I also think a woman president would be acceptable to most American voters.

                  GA

              2. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                It appears that you think a Centrist or Moderate candidate is beyond consideration - regardless of which party they belong to.

                That sounds like saying Middle America is just along for the ride, whether Left or Right, you only see a radical candidate as an acceptable choice.

                There are probably polls out there that have asked that question--without a party affiliation qualifier--that could shed some light on that perspective. I think you are wrong. I think the right Centrist or Moderate candidate could carry the vote - if they could get their party's support. An unlikely if.

                GA

    2. Onusonus profile image74
      Onusonusposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Whoopi and Joy Behar of the View were "Pissed Off" by Joe Biden's Accuser. "He's a Toucher, That's What He's Like!". I bet Whoopi, Joy, and the mouth breathing clapping seals that watch the View are probably okay with this too. Because. You know. "He's a Toucher"...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAymXlGSplU

      Would you let Joe touch your kids?

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        I wouldn't let that man within arm's reach of my kid. He's weird and creepy.

        What ticks me off is some crazy looking and crazy sounding woman made an accusation against Cavanaugh. With no proof, no corroborating evidence and plenty of room for doubt, the left (including at least one person in this thread) declared him guilty and unfit to sit on the bench.

        But, tons of video evidence of Biden inappropriately touching is somehow ok and he's qualified to be president. It's bizarre how some can't see why so many have a hard time taking democrats seriously.

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          Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          "What ticks me off is some crazy looking and crazy sounding woman made an accusation against Cavanaugh. With no proof, no corroborating evidence and plenty of room for doubt, the left ......declared him guilty and unfit to sit on the bench."

          Yep.  The left sought to destroy Cavanaugh over an entirely uncorroborated accusation; it was incredibly evil.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            If you two are going to worry over a man who is now sitting permanently on the Supreme Court after lying under oath, at least spell.his name right: Kavanaugh.

            1. profile image74
              Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Okay, will do.

              I'm not so much worried over a man who's now sitting on the Supreme Court as I am for others who will be subject to the same evil treatment he received, or worse.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah, that was some evil treatment, handing him that lifetime appointment. He and Clarence should get along nicely, though.

                1. profile image74
                  Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  They attempted to destroy him, and for no reason other than they knew that his appointment would tilt the court to the right (ever so slightly).

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Yeah, I know, poor poor men have to face their accusers before getting exactly what they wanted anyway. The horror!

    3. tsadjatko profile image61
      tsadjatkoposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Hello! Do you think this has just come to light about Biden? Back when he was VP Infowars showed tons of videos of Biden creepily groping women and children but the media ignored it.

      The only reason it's news now is because the Democrats are doing to him what Hiliary did to Bernie when he ran against her. It's the Democrats that have brought this into the media now. The Looney left factors of the Democratic party are at work here, as could be predicted, eating their own!

      Besides this perverted smelling and kissing hair behavior Biden has been revealed (actually bragging about it) to have used his position when he was VP to interfere in the Ukraine's judicial system to keep his son from being investigated!

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnew … ficial.amp

      You can "kiss" creepy, slimey uncle Joe goodbye, and wonder why Obama praised him as the best VP ever.

    4. crankalicious profile image91
      crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Hypocritical of Republicans to attack Biden with Trump in office?

      Then again, Democrats supported Clinton and continue to defend him.

      You know what this says? Very few people really care about sexual assault or are willing to stand up for it. Very few. And politics matters more than morality.

      Why not take this beyond politics and ask why people are willing to overlook habitual lying, sexual assault, and all manner of disgusting behavior when it comes to their political candidate?

      As an aside, I was at a poker game with my liberal friends and Biden was attacked there, not defended. It was a universal "get lost" attitude. And go back and look at his attack on Anita Hill.

      On behalf of all Democrats: Get lost, Joe.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Hey, It's "good old uncle Joe". Come on give him some slack. LOL Just think if it were a Republican that was being accused of fondling, smelling hair, and long hugs. Need I say any more?  Hopefully, the Dems just keep up their antics and continue with their skewed bias hypocritical ideals. It just makes it very clear they have nothing to offer the people of America.

        1. crankalicious profile image91
          crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Says somebody who voted for President Pu**ygrabber. How's that hypocrisy pie taste?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

            "Hypocrisy"?  I think my statement is very clear. My opinion is just as stated. It is very clear that many that lean left is giving Biden a pass, left-wing media included.  In regards to the Billy Bush Tape, and the president's crude statement, the tape was released Oct 7, 2016, before the election. I was well aware of the comment, I voted for Trump with full knowledge of his past. I do and never have sought to make any form of excuse for the President's personality or how he chooses to communicate verbally or on social media.  In this respect, I  show no attributes of being a hypocrite. My beliefs were stated very clearly in my comment.
            Hypocrite - "a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings"

        2. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I would rather see the Democratic party get a handle on this insanity and get back to the business of offering alternative, intelligent, views. A one party system serves no one.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Last time I looked we still have a two party system.  I respect you have a different view than me. Although, In my own opinion the path the Dems have seemed to adopt is very destructive to the ideals America was founded under and grown to be the nation it is. Presently they offering perhaps alternative views, but intelligent views, I have to question that.

              My comment was just pointing out is what I see as a flaw in their logic. I could very well be wrong, but I do believe if it were a Republican official that was being accused of the same type of let's call it strange gestures that Biden was accused of he would be condemned as a pervert.  Uncle Joe was given a break. Again just my opinion.

      2. profile image0
        johnmariowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        With all due respect. Sexual harassment exists on both sides of the isle. Donald Trump has mocked, insulted and denigrated woman numerous times. He treats woman like sex objects.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Hmmmm, you clearly missed the point.

    5. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 3 months ago

      https://hubstatic.com/14480526.jpg

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Whose breasts did Biden grab?

        Move those hands down and change to "Trump" and you'll be accurate.

        1. tsadjatko profile image61
          tsadjatkoposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          So you correctly point out there is no proof Biden grabbed anyone's breast and then you make a worse false accusation about Trump with no proof, that's liberal logic!

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            No proof? Straight from the ass's, er, horse's mouth:

            Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

            Bush: Whatever you want.

            Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

            1. crankalicious profile image91
              crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              More proof that nothing matters in politics to anyone.

              Trump was right about one thing - he could shoot somebody in broad daylight and none of his supporters would care.

              And Clinton could convince an intern to blow him and none of his supporters would care and, in fact, would go out of their way to vilify the intern.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                I don't know anything about Trump's supposed transgressions. I did hear that disgusting locker room style statement. That shows he's a cad. I haven't heard of any woman claiming that he actually did this; so, thus far he's a cad. I knew a guy once who claimed we'd done some stuff. Didn't make it true. It made him an ass who wanted to appear to have more sexual prowess than he actually possessed.

                The Stormy Daniels thing didn't bother me. She was a paid prostitute, Not someone who was sexually assaulted or taken advantage of. So, that makes him a sad excuse for a husband.

                I think my problem is many hate Trump so much that they attempt to equate being an a**hole with being a sexual predator. I also have to look at allegations, individually, to determine my opinion. I will say that woman who actively use sex appeal in an attempt to gain advantage, who don't immediately express disgust with a particular situation and who don't also immediately call it out can appear more like they are just upset their actions didn't yield the hoped for gain.

                If Trump ever shot someone in broad daylight with no evidence of self defense; I can't imagine any sensible person attempting to justify his behavior. Believing such is indicative of a lack of respect for those with opposing opinions. Although, I have seen people on the left actively defending violence so maybe you are right and such ignorance goes both ways.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Here are all of the allegations — in chronological order — made by 23 named women

                  Of course, I have little doubt you'll see twenty-three lying women versus one honest man.

                2. crankalicious profile image91
                  crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  A man who would pay a porn star to have sex, talk approvingly of taking advantage of women and grabbing their genitals, cheat on his wife, have sexual relations with an intern, walk in on women while they are changing because he can, consistently touch women without their consent - none of these men are qualified or should be President. And people with self-respect and any moral compass should not support or vote for them.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    And when they are running against candidates equally unqualified.....your advice is?

                    1. crankalicious profile image91
                      crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                      Are you referring to a recent election where the candidates were equally unqualified? I don't recall one where the candidates were equally unqualified. And what qualifications do you expect your candidates to have?

                    2. Valeant profile image96
                      Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                      Who did Hillary Clinton cheat on?  Who named her in a sexual assault allegation?  By equal, you must be joking.

      2. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this
    6. Onusonus profile image74
      Onusonusposted 3 months ago

      https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56435223_2474350405956636_7237313128357167104_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=2c24ef3a13a5070d8aaa284a173d754e&oe=5D3F407C

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Poor Biden. Probably the best candidate the democrats could've had. I hope he runs anyway.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
          Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          ... what was okay then, is suddenly not okay, now.
          Times change.

          He can change.
          Its not like he will continue his (now) wayward and rampant touchy-feelies.
          sheesh roll

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            It wasn't ok then and its not ok now. The best I can think of the man is that women tend to smile and laugh instead of firmly saying 'get the heck away from me'. If you don't speak up an offender doesn't necessarily know they are offensive.

            But, the man had to have seen the same video footage we have.  If he can't recognize creepy when he sees it he's got a problem.

            Plus, the fascist left has done everything possible to ensure we declare every man possible as a predator, whether there is evidence or not. We have evidence, we know the perpetrator, we see the left ignoring all of their criteria for condemnation. I am curious how they expect to maintain credibility for their faux outrage with their next victim.

        2. Onusonus profile image74
          Onusonusposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I'm sure Trump hopes he runs too...

    7. hard sun profile image84
      hard sunposted 3 months ago

      As someone likely to vote Dem for President in 2020, and a twice-over Obama voter, I think the Dems are losing it. Making every old guy that ever made a woman uncomfortable a predator is insane. Both the left and the right are off balance IMO. The left's overly PC attitude is becoming so bad that I don't think it's PC anymore, lol.

      1. profile image74
        Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Spot on.  This new "standard" will allow for anyone seeking office or currently in office to be subject to scrutiny for accusations by women that have been made to feel uncomfortable by someone who was, like Biden, touchy feeley.

        NO -  I'm not saying that sexual assault or sexual intimidation of any kind be ignored.  I'm saying, in agreement with you hard sun, exactly what I said in the first paragraph!

    8. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 3 months ago

      It appears that one difference in thought is that some have no problem with American citizens hijacking and making a mockery of the democratic process and simultaneously over-worrying about attempted meddling (turning a blind eye to the sure fact that such behavior is going on within all governments, including our own). While others understand the grave difference between an attempt by a foreign entity to meddle in and the act of a domestic entity to hijack an election; and know that the former is the reality of the world we live in while the later threatens the very sanctity of our democratic process.

      1. crankalicious profile image91
        crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        This speaks to the point I made earlier. Where are our collective, consistent ethics and morals?

        We all seem to support our side no matter how they behave.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          No. No. No. The problem is the system has devolved. The left cannot accept the reasons people felt it necessary to reject Hillary. What the left has done is go off the far left end in response.

          Come back to the light. Give us a candidate who reflects a moderate Democrat with ethics and you will have a chance to defeatTrump. If the left keeps whining, yeh what abouting everything, slinging mud along with poop and backing far left ideas, demonizing anyone who isn't far left,  they will cripple the party.

          1. crankalicious profile image91
            crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Well, it worked for the right, so I guess the liberals are just using that playbook.

            Btw, I basically agree with your assessment of what the Dems need to do (if not your logic), but finding a clean candidate in politics isn't that easy, it would seem, and no matter who the Dems nominate, the alt-Right will invent stories and flood us with fake news that people will believe, just like they believed PizzaGate and all the other crap.

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Sure. But why? That's just rhetoric from some that want to justify their actions. No matter who is the DEM candidate, they will vote for Trump. Some already said that.

            2. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Yes. Fake news. Great fallback. Especially considering the fact that you appear to swallow lock, stock and barrel any questionable news that supports your theories.

          2. Valeant profile image96
            Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            At what point does it bother you that the elected president committed multiple crimes to get elected?  At what point do you get to the point where the lies he tells you is enough.

            Many of us were willing to give him a chance once he was elected.  Were we stunned by the result, sure.  But if he was duly elected, honest, and worked to better the interests and security for all Americans, that would have been someone we could get behind.

            What you have though is a man who lied to us from day one, and it started with something as trivial as his crowd sizes for his inauguration.  What you have is a man who was assisted in getting elected by a country that does not have our best interests in mind.  What you have is a man who is sowing division and using rhetoric which is a physical danger to his American political opponents and the citizens within the media.  What you have is a man working to further the interests of the wealthy in America, including himself.  What you have is a man who is eroding our alliances while cozying up to some of the most ruthless dictators on the planet.  A man who literally undermined US intelligence services to excuse the murder of a journalist living inside the United States.

            And what we have is idiots who refuse to hold the man accountable to these dangers, whether it be the Republican party or his base.

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              I have seen absolutely no evidence that the left was willing to give the guy a chance. What I have seen is what now appears to be a hoax, perpetrated by Hillary, shoved into the public venue in the way of millions spent and years taken to show that there was a hoax, there was a concerted effort by biased parties within the FBI to help perpetuate it. We have evidence of wrong doing within the Obama administration, itself. We have evidence of clear wrong doing on other levels also. What I do see is a clear pattern where those on the left focus solely on Trump's flaws, some real some imagined, and turn a blind eye to all other evidence.

              Give me a break. I say the guy is an a**. I point out other a**ish behavior by others. Those left of me say 'oh no. Trump is an a**. Why look at anyone else?'

              Get real, or continue wearing blinders.

              1. Valeant profile image96
                Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                A hoax?  Are you kidding?  No, are you f***ing kidding?

                Russia hacks the DNC in April of 2016.

                Shortly after, in April, Papadapolous is e-mailing senior Trump aides that he can get his hands on the hacked material from a Russian contact.

                Trump Sr. asks Russia on live TV to hack Clinton and find the missing e-mails.  Later that night, they attempt it.

                Trump Jr. takes a meeting when offered dirt on Clinton from a Russian contact in June of 2016, brings his Brother-in-law and the Campaign Director.  Says he is disappointed the dirt wasn't better.  Entire family lies repeatedly about taking the meeting, lie about what the meeting was about.  But we have to believe there wasn't a quid pro quo negotiated at the meeting because they deny it.

                Carter Page, previous recruited by the Russians and under FISA
                surveillance, while working for the Trump campaign, meets with Russians in July 2016, IN MOSCOW.  Later that month, he's seen talking with Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak at the Republican National Convention.  Why was Kisylak even at the event?

                Russia runs a social media campaign against Clinton, to assist Trump to get elected.

                Trump denies Russian involvement in the hacking, even after being briefed by the FBI during the campaign that they are doing it, changes the Republican platform on Ukraine to be more pro-Russia prior to the election.

                Trump is exploring business opportunities in Russia during the campaign and lying to the American people about it.

                Barr, a Trump ally, summarizes 400-pages of information into a 4-page statement, basically mirroring a 19-page brief he submitted publicly weeks before seeing the report's findings.  I believe Barr about as much as I believe the Trump Tower meeting was about adoptions.

                Calling the hacking of the 2016 election a hoax is just a flat out lie.  Saying Trump did not benefit from that foreign support is a flat out lie.  Saying he did not encourage it is another flat out lie.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes and forces within the Ukraine were actively working on Hillary's behalf. Hillary paid a guy to go troll I report on CNN, put together a bs dossier to peddle out. Testimony from parties at congressional hearings show a clear pattern of bias and illegal activity focused on negatively affecting then candidate Trump.

                  But, oh wait. That doesn't put a negative spin on Trump. Let's ignore that.

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Did you just whataboutism me to try and ignore every claim I laid out?  That was a sad attempt to defend your claim that the Mueller Investigation was a hoax.

                    1. wilderness profile image96
                      wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                      The Mueller Investigation WAS a hoax...in the sense that it was not about finding Russian collusion.  Rather it was about finding anything it could that would put the President in a bad light, legal or illegal.

                      There was some justification into looking into collusion, albeit not near enough to spend years investigating it.  There was NO reason to branch out into other fields that had nothing to do with the claim that was made; that Donald Trump colluded with Russians to fix the election.

                      And now we see the same thing happening again; there is nothing whatsoever to justify revealing personal, private IRS information to the public, yet that is exactly what is being tried.  And it isn't stopping there - last count there were, I think, an additional 17 "investigations" that are nothing but searching desperately for dirt on the President.

                      We require probably cause for an investigation.  We require a warrant, setting out exactly what is being looked for and the probably cause behind it, for a search.  We require a judge to sign off on a wire tap.  But nothing is being required for the enormous effort to find dirt on the president but a desire to hurt him.  It is wrong, plain and simple.

                    2. Live to Learn profile image82
                      Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                      Actually, my point was along the lines of what appears to me to be tunnel vision on your part.

    9. jeff61b profile image94
      jeff61bposted 3 months ago

      Joe Biden is not accused of groping women. No one has accused him of doing anything of a sexual nature. There is no video or photographic evidence of him groping anyone.

      He has at times gotten awkwardly close to both men and women while expressing support for them.

      You can criticize him for intruding on people's personal space and not understanding people's boundaries, but that is a far cry from "groping" women or doing anything of a sexual nature.

      1. tsadjatko profile image61
        tsadjatkoposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        What adult man in the public eye, a senator and VP for heaven's sake, doesn't know when he is intruding on people's personal space and not understanding people's boundaries?

        If he were a Republican no one would accept ignorance as an excuse yet that is exactly what Biden is doing. His excuse was there was no intention.

        I guess he learned that from Comey's explanation that Hiliary had no intentions to break the law.

        On the other hand did any of the seven women tell him how they felt about his behavior at the time? If they did and he kept doing it that would suggest a serious disconnect in his personality.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I doubt anyone said a word to the man, asking him to get out of their personal space. But, seriously. If he is grossly unaware of how such a transgression would make a decent woman feel uncomfortable  he isn't really someone who can represent that segment of the population.

    10. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 3 months ago

      You do like to downplay Russia interference.

      I get it. It takes some effort trying to convince yourself, eh?

      1. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        He's a sheep that has bought Trump's line that maybe it wasn't them.  He completely lacks the ability to do independent research and continues to embarrass himself with his lack of knowledge about the data.

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        And you are missing the whole point - that our justice system was, and is, used in a manner which it was not only not designed for but is prohibited by law.

        But if you find that interference to be so terrible, don't you think we should be prosecuting all the people that post memes and other statements that are not factual?  Or is just Russians that must follow our laws?

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Downplaying once again. Im going to assume (as you have admitted in other issues) that you haven't read anything about this one, and your comments are based on ? partisan fluff.

     
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