Insurrection or an attempted Coup?

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   peoplepower73posted 4 years ago

   Was Trump's attack on the Capitol an insurrection or a planned slow motion coup?  Read this opinion by By FIONA HILL
   
   01/11/2021 03:15 PM EST
   
   Fiona Hill served as deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council from 2017 to 2019. She is currently a senior fellow in the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution.
   
   
   https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ill-457549

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      GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I had previously read your link. If one enters the discussion thinking of the 'traditional' coup we have been exposed to, (via our media), in other nations, I think most will deny this was a coup attempt.
      
      For myself, I don't care what it is called. It was bad and it was wrong. Giving it a 'proper' name doesn't mean beans to me.
      
      Working with the logic of your link's author I could go along with the "soft-coup'" description because the logical explanation of the timeline is accurate.
      
      But still, I don't think it qualifies as a 'real' coup as most folks would envision it. I hesitate to think any of those invaders thought they were actually seizing the government. And if they did . . .  than they are more idiot than just the other mindless idiots that participated for the thrill.
      
      GA

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         peoplepower73posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         GA:  Thanks for stopping by. I agree with the you.  Some call it an insurrection, some call it sedition, and some call it a failed attempt at a coup.  It is all based on how one interprets their intentions. From my view, it appears to be a failed coup.  It appears, they were ready to takeout Pence and Pelosi, if they could find them.

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         MizBejabbersposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         If you heard what some of them said like I did, how can you think anything else? One young lady was complaining that she got maced when she was only a couple of steps into the capitol building. She was asked why she was forcing her way in. She answered, "It's a revolution." That sounds like serious business to me.
         More and more videos are being released with audio of people expressing their intent to kill Pence and Pelosi.
         Even our Arkansas idiot Senator Tom Cotton said he would not vote to overturn the election. Sometimes in the past he has made irrational statements, and he is an avid Trump supporter. Do you think this was just a movement to get the election results overturned?
         GA, you are a rational man. Does this sound like fun and games to you? What do you think their intent was if not to take over the government?

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   DWDavisRSLposted 4 years ago

   Based on the dictionary definition of "insurrection," the event Trump incited on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, was definitely an insurrection.
   
   Insurrection - a violent uprising against an authority or government.
   
   Had the insurrection succeeded in assassinating the leaders the MAGA were after and seizing control of the government, it would have been a coup. As it was, the coup attempt failed.
   
   Coup - 1.a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
   
   The event was not either an insurrection or a coup attempt. It was both.

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      ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, agreed.

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         peoplepower73posted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I agree as well.

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      peoplepower73posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you

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      MizBejabbersposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you, and sedition among some government leaders, including Trump, was involved.

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         DWDavisRSLposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I believe that in the long run, it will come out that many of the GOP House and Senate members, especially the newly elected ones, were in it up to their eyeballs.

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            peoplepower73posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            I read a headline that stated they are vetting all the national guard members.  They think there may be some who are posing as national guard, but who are really part of the terrorist group.  If that is true, that is really scary stuff.
            
            Trump should be hung by his b**s

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               DWDavisRSLposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               At this point, any National Guard member found to have ties to any of the groups identified as taking part in the attack on 1/6 need to be locked up and thoroughly investigated for sedition and treason.

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                  wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Wait.  A Guard member that has a brother or cousin that has supported or agreed with a statement from any of the "groups" that had members present at the riot needs to be locked up?  Are you serious?  What charge would you apply to them?  McCarthyism is alive and well!

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                     DWDavisRSLposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     What you describe is not a tie to one of the groups; it is a tangential intersection at best. Clearly, my comment includes those who are active members or supporters of such groups. I suspect you understood that but chose instead to employ hyperbole.

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                        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm sorry; I can only read your words, not your mind, and when you say that any guard member that has ties to any group in the riot should be locked up I assume you mean what you said. 
                        
                        But even if you mean that any guard member that has intimate, personal connections to those groups and actively supports their political goals should be imprisoned it is still far over the top.  Our country does not work that way as much as liberals would like to shut down any opposition to their agenda.

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                     peoplepower73posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Wilderness:  Welcome back.
                     
                     https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … InAppShare

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                        wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Thank you.  But I'm not sure what your link has to do with putting those that disagree with liberal policies in prison.  Can you expand on that?

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