Biden And Cuomo Have Multiple Allegations Of Sexual Harassment

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
    Sharlee01posted 14 months ago

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    So Biden finally answered a reporter's question. And in my book, he should have kept his long silence.  His response made me think back to when we witnessed many women coming out with very similar sexual allegations against him, even forcible rape.  Oh my, I for one am sick of Biden's hypocrisy.  Joe would be best not to open his mouth unless reading from a teleprompter.

    Sunday, March 14, 2021, President Joe Biden made his first comments in regard to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo's sexual harassment allegations. Governor Cuomo has been asked to resign over the recent allegations of sexual harassment by at last count 7 women. In response to a reporter's question about whether the governor should step down, Biden said: "I think the investigation is underway and we should see what it brings us."

    While campaigning for president Biden was accused by at least 8 women of sexual harassment, and one allegation of rape. Biden denied all allegations, and the women's claims were not investigated. It would appear a new standard has emerged in regards to how sexual allegations are handled. We have a president that has sexual harassment alligations brushed aside, while many are up in arms requesting all the women are listening to, and their allegations investigated.
      Tara Reade Accuses Joe Biden Of Rape

    March 25, 2020: In a podcast by Katie Halper, Tara Reade claimed Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, pressing her up against a wall in his office, kissing her neck, and penetrating her vagina with his fingers by prying her legs open with his knees. She said he then laughed it off after she rebuffed him. She told Halper she did not share the full story previously because she feared retribution.

    On April 9, 2020, Reade filed a police report in Washington, D.C., police alleging sexual assault, telling reporters it was about Biden and the 1993 incident. She claimed she filed the police report due to feeling frightened for her safety.  Thus far four of Reade's friends and a neighbor have verified that they had a good recollection of Reade sharing the attack with them at or near the time the attack took place.

    Five other women stepped up and alleged that Joe Biden either touched them, lingered over their hair touching and smelling it, inappropriately violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.

    -- Ally Coll, former Democratic staffer - Reported to WAPO Biden complimented on her smile, proceeded to touch her shoulders squeezing, and held on for a bit too long.

    -- Sofie Karasek complained of Biden grabbing both of her hands pulling her in ending up forehead to forehead. This occurred at the 2016 Academy Awards. Sofie claimed he violated her space and made her feel uncomfortable.

    -- Amy Stokes Lappos stated Biden put his hands behind her head and pulled me very close as if he were going to kiss her.

    -- Caitlyn Caruso told the New York Times that in 2016 Biden pulled her in and hugged her and let his hand rest on her tight at a university of Nevada event.

    -- DJ Hill reported to the NYT that in 2012 at a fundraiser, Biden rested his hand on her shoulder and slowly worked his hand down her back. She complained of feeling very uncomfortable.

    There were no investigations into any of these women's claims...  Rape is a serious charge, and Ms. Reide's claims needed to be investigated, and should at this point still be investigated.

    Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated?  All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?

    1. peterstreep profile image80
      peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I thought it wasn't important in the USA, as long as you have a power position you can do what you want. That's the message Trump gave us.

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        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Shhhhhh, if you state the truth about this, you will be accused of having TDS, which is the standard response from a Trumper when confronted with the truth of what they have done..

        1. peterstreep profile image80
          peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I hoped I wouldn't have had to make this cynical comment. But as power corrupts, sexual liberties are easily made. (Which does not make them ok, not at all)
          Biden could well have used his power in his younger days to have improper behavior. I don't know.
          But a Trump supporter is the last one to put this forward.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            You're being judgemental without knowing my thoughts on Trump's sexual allegation. I actually shared my thoughts on the subject in several comments on this thread. perhaps you missed those sentiments.  I see you just could not bring yourself to answer my two very direct questions. Oh well, that's your prerogative. Sometimes  It's just easier to just skip over the direct subject of a thread altogether.

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              PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              What you fail to see or acknowledge is pretty simple to understand if you just open your mind. Trump had 16(?) allegations of sexual assault against him, including the rape of a 13-year-old girl, most (maybe all) of which were known prior to his election in 2016. Yet, his supporters elected him president anyway, setting a shockingly new low standard for the character of a president. Those who voted for him did not care enough about those allegations to disqualify him from office. In fact, they rewarded him with the presidency.

              Yet, here you are, somehow trying to deny that you and others turned a blind eye, and on top of that, suddenly claiming that you care about women who have been preyed upon by powerful men.

              Many of us just don't buy it.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  I never claimed you presented half truths. You're not tracking very well.

                  The rest is just more of the same. As I already proved, I answered your original questuins, you just chose to pursue the rest of my comments. 

                  And, no, I don't speak for others. I merely know plenty of people who, like me, are sick of Trumpers suddenly pretending to care about the character of a president.

                  As a reminder, I answered your questions.  very early on in this thread. Since you're not tracking well, I'll recap: I would like to see the allegations against Biden investigated. I also think Cuomo should resign and would be pleased if Biden stepped down and Kamala Harris was president.

                  Can you track that now?

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    "And, no, I don't speak for others. I merely know plenty of people who, like me, are sick of Trumpers suddenly pretending to care about the character of a president."

                    .I was pointing out Bidens Hypocrisy. Read the OP from the start. I lay out my subject in the first couple of paragraphs.  I add some info on facts, I end with two simple questions. 

                    So, you spoke your piece you don't like a Trump supporter pointing out Character flaws in a president.

                    Well, that's your problem, and unless HP restricts Trump supporters from HP's you will have a problem.  I am not going to stop posting my opinion or threads. I don't care what you think about Trump supporters, or me for that matter.   I knew I should not interact with you... My bad

                    If you disapprove of a given Thread. report it to the moderator.

            2. peterstreep profile image80
              peterstreepposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              What do you mean by prerogative?

              I don't care about the political party. If a man abuses his power and is accused of sexual harassment, this should be looked into. And if guilty, judged. No matter the party.
              But we just had a president who openly said that he  “grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.” If you, voted for this man, knowing this, before the first election. Then you are on thin ice accusing President Biden on the same thing.
              Sexual harassment is sexual harassment, no matter what party you belong to. Being ok with Trump and just saying "O, it's locker room talk." is not ok! imo.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I will bow out of this conversation. I don't think you understood my OP. I felt I was clearly pointing to the problem that hypocrisy. Biden used it when he offered a statement on Cuomo's allegations. I found him to be very hypocritical due to the fact he felt we needed to wait on the investigation before commenting. There were no investigations in the case of the allegations that were brought forth during his campaign.

                I thought my questions were so well-versed and should be easy to answer.  Oh well, our opinion is miles apart... the conversation seems to be at a wall.  No reason for either of us to waste any further energy. Agree to disagree. We are surly from different political persuasions. At any rate glad to see you took the time to comment.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Truth... what are you talking about. Point out a mistruth in my OP. I stated total facts I was very careful to do just that. Ugly facts so are it, but facts. Point out a mistruth. Easy to say something is not true, not so easy to prove it. It almost seems to mean to always see you pushed into a corner. But you do it to yourself. Seems self-destructive. You never have anything to fall back on.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            The truth of how Trumpers set a new low standard for presidential character. That is the truth I am referring to.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Well, your statement rings perfectly true to me, I agree.  Trump certainly had many women step up with allegations, and they should have also been heard and their allegations investigated. They were not  Neither was the accusations on Biden.  Why are we investigating the Cuomo accusations and asking him to resign? We have had a former president and a present president that we did not ask to resign.  Why are we going after Cuomo, so many asking him to resign? Is this hypocritical? 

        So to ask my questions---

        Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated?  All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as
        rape been ignored?

        Hopefully, I can persuade you to answer my two questions.

  2. MG Singh profile image73
    MG Singhposted 14 months ago

    These are serious allegations about both men. My point is how have they surfaced all these years. It means something is wrong with the system that these men could still keep rising up and their crimes went unnoticed. I wonder how far it is correct to dig up old skeletons when no action was taken at that time. The great Indian political analyst and advisor Chanakya had said that the people get the government and the rulers they deserve. If this is the yardstick the American people have themselves voted such men to power.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      In my opinion, some men in America are exempt from being charged or even scrutinized for disrespecting women in a sexual nature. It's become part of our culture to look the other way, make excuses for the "right man". 

      More powerful men can get away with this disgusting form of abuse. As Biden did, and most likely Cuomo will too.   It's obvious many American's are willing to look the other way when it comes to sex abuse -  They did with Biden, as well as Trump.  He has such a bad reputation for showing inappropriate sexual gestures. One such oddity, he can't resist smelling women's hair.

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    PrettyPantherposted 14 months ago

    I think Cuomo should resign. Trump set the new low standard for presidential conduct. If you supported Trump, then you don't care about multiple sexual abuse allegations against your president. Unless, of course, you are a flaming hypocrite.

    Your hypocrisy is shocking. Oh, wait, let me take that back. It is just more of the same from you. No longer shocking, just par for the course.

    I would be happy if Biden resigned and Kamala became president. But, like I said, you Trumpers set the new standards so low that any subsequent president would have to be corrupt beyond belief to exceed his depths.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Biden is the president at this point. I am current with what is happening now.   If I brought up Trump and the sexual allegations I would be beating a dead horse.  Although in my comment to MG SINGH  prior to your comment I did include Trump and inferred he did have the same type of allegations against him.  I don't discriminate between men that have been accused of sexual harassment. 

      I am simply pointing out Biden's hypocrisy due to his recent statement about the ongoing investigation into the sexual allegations Cuomo faces.

        Realistically Biden and Trump are neck and neck when it comes to sexually harassing women.

      I am not sure about Biden being corrupt. I have seen no evidence of that, I have seen evidence of him sexually harassing women. That's what this thread is about.

      So do you think Biden's sexual alligations and Rape charge should be investigated?

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        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Of course, but like I said, who really cares anymore? After Trump supporters set the bar so low, why should we suddenly care enough to bother?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I care--- That's why I pointed out this blatant hypocrisy.  The Democrats that voted for a man that has one of the very faults they disliked in Trump.

          They stood on a great big "me Too"  float screaming their cries " All women should be heard!  But,  it turned out they should only be heard if it will not hurt one of their own...   Just pointing out the silly mindsets of SOME liberals, the clear blind hypocrisy.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            You are so oblivious. You care about Biden's accusers after not caring about Trump's accusers, which included a 13-year-old girl? You are the definition of partisan hypocrisy.

            Like I said, I would be happy if both Cuomo and Biden were gone. You, on the other hand, supported an alleged child rapist and a man who flat out admitted he assaulted women.

            Pardon me if I find your "caring" to be suspect.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I am not expressing any form of caring,. My OP was almost presented in a clinical fashion.
              I am pointing out hypocrisy on a given subject.   I asked a question to evoke an opinion.

              Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated?  All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?

              And You are wrong, I was for any and all of Trump's accusers to be heard.  It would seem you have a misconception about my thoughts about those that came forward with sex alligations on Trump. But, it would also seem you just assume whatever you please. 

              Well, at least I did learn one thing from this go-round you support Harris.

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                PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                roll

                Sharlee;  "I care--- That's why I pointed out this blatant hypocrisy. "

                Sharlee, very next post: "I am not expressing any form of caring,."

                You frequently contradict yourself then deny it.

                Wait for it....big_smile

                1. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  And the allegations against Biden were investigated, such as the Reade incident, and that one was found not credible.  Right wing media doesn't tell their followers that point.

                  Cuomo's are currently being investigated.  If the are credible, he will be removed.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Not one was investigated. Proof it --- who investigated any of the allegations made against Biden. I have not found any information on an investigation into the Biden sexual harassment allegations. I presented the allegations, you have presented nothing but an unproven couple of sentences.  No one investigated any of the Biden allegations They were reported and dropped. The women were all very credible. Prove your point.
                    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52462113

                2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Not contradicting myself. I did not express my personal opinion on caring about sexual abuse in my OP.  That would be an entirely different subject and confuse my point.

                  I responded to your personal comment. in regards to not caring about sex abuse.

                  PP "You are so oblivious. You care about Biden's accusers after not caring about Trump's accusers, which included a 13-year-old girl? You are the definition of partisan hypocrisy."

                  You have once again selected a few words and took them out of context. I was being clinical in OP. When you got personal I responded in a personal fashion to your comment. It would appear you have nothing to offer to the real subject --- hypocrisy of the left in the case of Biden/Cuomo allegations being treated differently.

                  To honestly address my feelings on sexual abuse ----  My opinion in regard to sexual deviates although would be a very interesting thread is not what this thread was about.  I have witnessed the work of deviates first hand as an ER  nurse,  rape, incest, you name it, seniors from nursing homes, right down to infants. I can assure you I hate sexual abuse of any kind.  Hopefully, that clears up my opinion of sex deviates. It's ugly in any form.

            2. Valeant profile image88
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Precisely.

    2. GA Anderson profile image90
      GA Andersonposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think Cuomo should resign because of the "allegations" unless they are proven.

      It became a political pile-on as soon as the opportunity was recognized. I doubt that many of those calling for him to step down, (the politicians), could stand the same scrutiny.

      I am not a Cuomo fan, but I am not a fan of lynch mobs either. It will be ironic that if the allegations are true all those chasing him will feel righteous when in fact they will just be lucky they got it right—this time.

      GA

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Back to the subject for one quick moment.   Do you find it hypocritical how Biden's sexual allegations although given media attention in some respect,  did not receive any form of investigations.?     

        I agree that many that who are asking Cuomo to step down could stand the scrutiny. And he should not step down if the allegations are not proven to be true.

        Cuomo deserves the allegations to be investigated, as all sexual abuse claims should be investigated. As they should have been in regards to Trump, and Biden.  Too bad this is not the norm for all. 

        Not sure how the subject was so quickly ignored and is now about should Cuomo step down, and me being a hypocrite for voting for Trump.

        Go figure --- I think the many that post on this forum voted for Biden. So, would that not make them wearing the same hypocrisy tattoo on their forehead as they placed on mine?

        What a crock, sick of the hypocrisy hence this thread.

        1. wilderness profile image93
          wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Months after Trump left the White House, TDS is still alive and well.  We need a vaccine for that as much as for COVID.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            So agree...  I certainly can see some have just pretty much decided to ignore any negativity away from Biden and his administration. This thread is a perfect example. Flip it into being personal, and taking the conversation to another somewhat related subject.

            This forum seems to be very much a one-way street, Trump Blvd.  I intend to head down another road... Old Biden Road.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWDAQtoL25A

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              PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              You seem to have conveniently forgotten that I said I would be happy if Biden resigned. Cuomo, too.

              Of course, acknowledging that would throw cold water on your simplistic position. I get it.

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          PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Before Trump, a man with that many (16?) allegations would never have been elected. Trumpers made that happen. They forever lowered the standard for presidential character. To now act like you care is laughable.

          Oh, I forgot, you don't actually care.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            You're being repetitive... Read my opening OP ... How about a comment on the subject of Hypocrisy of Biden's Sexual allegations not being investigated. Otherwise, not interested in your view in regard to Trump. I have thoroughly given my opinion on the Trump sex allegations. From my second comment, I included him in the Politicians that have been accused of sexual misbehavior. Do you read the comments? This is about Biden and Cuomo. 

            You flipped the conversation because you either did not understand my OP or you just could not come up with anything to justify the hypocrisy of the left seeing Cuomo as a Perv but not Biden as a perv.  I guess it would be hard to argue that fact.

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              PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              I answered your question right at the beginning. Did you forget already? Isn't that a sign of age-related confusion, like Biden forgetting a name he just said minutes earlier?  big_smile

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Really here is my question --- Very simply -- Should we be demanding all sexual allegations against Biden be investigated?  All of the women that have accused Cuomo are being heard, and their allegations are being investigated. Why have the women that accused Biden of sexual harassment as well as rape been ignored?


                PP "I think Cuomo should resign. Trump set the new low standard for presidential conduct. If you supported Trump, then you don't care about multiple sexual abuse allegations against your president. Unless, of course, you are a flaming hypocrite.

                Your hypocrisy is shocking. Oh, wait, let me take that back. It is just more of the same from you. No longer shocking, just par for the course.

                I would be happy if Biden resigned and Kamala became president. But, like I said, you Trumpers set the new standards so low that any subsequent president would have to be corrupt beyond belief to exceed his depths."

                As one can see you did not address the question. Your response ---  In no respect does your comment address my question. You just go off on a Trump rant and offer a personal opinion or observation of me such as  "you are a flaming hypocrite". As you have in this latest comment referring to my age. When cornered you get personal with and most often offer a glib-type statement.  You do this frequently. I would think you would stick to the subject.

                I could certainly get in the mud with you, in my view, my opinion of you is not relevant.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Thank you for proving my point. But to bolster it, I will add your question and my response, from the second comment I made:

                  Sharlee: So do you think Biden's sexual alligations and Rape charge should be investigated?

                  Me: Of course, but like I said, who really cares anymore? After Trump supporters set the bar so low, why should we suddenly care enough to bother?

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    I made no mention of Cuomo resigning in any of my comments....

        3. GA Anderson profile image90
          GA Andersonposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I do not find the lack of a Biden investigation any more hypocritical than the normal politics-as-usual hypocrisy we see every week.

          It appears Ms. Reade's allegations were 'investigated' by at least two major media outlets; Time and the New York Times, and they appeared to find no more proof than Ms. Reade's claims, and claims from a few others that she had told them about it..

          It would be expected that those in Biden's staff would not claim any recollection of what she charged, but their lack of recollection could also be legitimate if the claims aren't true.

          *shrug . . . I think the media investigations were sufficient for the charges made.

          GA

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        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        How do you prove something that occurred between two people? What constitutes proof?

        1. wilderness profile image93
          wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          More than an unsupported claim of "Me too!", that's for sure.

          A claim has been made; let the claimant either prove it beyond a reasonable doubt or sue for defamation and libel.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            There's that "beyond a reasonable doubt"standard  being applied to whether or not a tarnished leader should resign.

        2. GA Anderson profile image90
          GA Andersonposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          We would all like the answers to those questions. All I can come up with is that a claim needs some type of credible substantiation.

          That the claim was told or intimated to a few other people isn't substantial enough for me. Also, the cynical male in me wonders about the 27 year lag between the event and the claims.

          Maybe we need to marry the #metoo movement with a Reagan philosophy; "trust but verify."

          GA

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I think when the allegations come from multiple women and their stories are very similar, the odds of them being true are very high. Think Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Rupert Murdoch, Jeffrey Epstein.

  4. Live to Learn profile image75
    Live to Learnposted 14 months ago

    As with all things on the left...'rules for thee but not for me'. I hear Cuomo is now blaming it on cancel culture. I doubt Biden is coherent enough to be aware of the allegations.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Nothing new, the left see things as they need them to be, at any given time. And it is clear to me Biden is having real problems with mentation.  Cuomo IMO could be caught in the act, and say "wasn't me..."

  5. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 14 months ago

    I just have to laugh at those last two comments.  After the double standards the right has implored during Trump's term, to actually post those statements is ridiculous.  The alternate reality one has to live in to not see your own hypocrisy of criticizing politicians for abuses of women after voting for a known abuser of women and one accused of abuse of a 13-year old child.

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      PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      The magnitude and absurdity is unbelievable. I guess when you fall for a con you fall all the way to the bottom.

    2. Live to Learn profile image75
      Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Biden and Cuomo have been accused of misbehavior while holding public office. I get your comment where Biden is concerned. The allegations are old. But Cuomo is being accused in real time. There is a difference.

      Either way, I've consistently said investigations need to prove guilt. It is the left who advocate shoot first, ask questions after the funeral. It's hypocrisy not to continue on in that vein, when the allegations are on a left leaning politician.

      1. Valeant profile image88
        Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Solid deflection away from your 'different set of rules' comment that had me rolling.  You thinking that only the left has different rules is a serious case of rose-colored glasses.  Mean tweets, deficits, supreme court selections, tolerance for sexual assault allegations, amount of golf a president plays, memory lapses - of which I posted a whole video on and got 'Trump butchers names but Joe has dementia.'  The list goes on and on.  Take a hard look in the mirror before posting that kind of partisan attack.

        1. Live to Learn profile image75
          Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I see your stand as a solid deflection from reality. You compare apples and oranges when you compare Trump butchering a name to Biden's obvious issues with dememtia and memory loss.

          I have no idea what your comment about supreme court selections is complaining about. Is it the 30 year old allegation that not one person could corroborate, in any minute way or do you think a Catholic mother is unfit to serve?

          The mean tweet complaint, I'm assuming you are speaking of Trump, is solid. Trump said mean things. And maybe he opened the door to the leftist social mob being mean. But, I don't think so. And one guy saying rude things does not compare to a mob not only saying mean things but trying to destroy others lives.

          Please. If you think others need to look in the mirror...so the same.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I was referring to a previous thread where because Biden forgot Austin's name, suddenly it must be dementia according to the right.  When provided multiple instances of Trump doing the same thing, but then just making up whatever name he wanted, it was butchering.

            As for Supreme Court, Garland not given consideration because it was the final year of Obama's term - but then with just a month or two to go, Coney-Barrett needs to get rushed through.  Two completely different standards.

            And Trump was horrific on social media.  Then Tanden gets nominated for a cabinet post and suddenly some of her social media posts are grounds to sink her nomination.  Complete double standard by the right there.

            You clearly have no idea where your own party's double standards exist.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            He is spinning out of control with all Trump TrumpTrump...  He has brought up some viable subjects. Biden's confused state being one such mess we as a nation now have to deal with. Not to mention the many executive order this failing man has been sighing that not many are aware of due to all the smoke and mirror the Dems are using sticking Cuomo up as a  sacrificial lamb.  They are always up to give up one of their own for the cause.  It is clear Biden or should I call him Obiden is working quickly to all Obama's policies.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          They totally have rose-colored glasses. They went after Cuomo with gusto. Asking for his resignation, using the media to aid in their smear campaign

          The state of New York is investigating Cuomo.
          https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/n … s/2923534/

          AGIAN who investigated Biden and the sex allegations against him?  NO ONE!

          Why skip to Joe's dementia problem, that is a very complex subject. Perhaps we need a thread on the subject. Let me oblige.

          You may be dancing yourself spinning yourself into exhaustion. You're deflecting big time.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Go do some actual research.  For the love of God.  You making the same claim that no investigating was done just makes you sound uninformed.

            1. GA Anderson profile image90
              GA Andersonposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Is she wrong about there being no investigation? Or, could you be talking about official vs unofficial investigations?

              I did a `quick look-about' 'and found that two media organizations did "investigate" Reade's claims, (I wouldn't say they "debunked" her claims, it appeared the best they could say was that they found no corroborating evidence to support her claims), but I didn't stumble across any information about any official, as in law-enforcement agency, investigation.

              GA

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                PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                An article I read said she filed a police report (recently, not when it allegedly happened) and that the investigation is still.open.

              2. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Politico went into some deep detail on her:

                https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/1 … ces-260771

                https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05 … oubts.html

                And when they opened an investigation into Reade for inflating her credentials as an expert witness and potentially lying on the stand, her credibility was definitely in doubt.

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                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Two far-left outlets, and when did they become to be considered law enforcement agencies?   Apples and oranges.

                  1. Valeant profile image88
                    Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    When a statute of limitations has long run out, why should a law enforcement agency investigate if they cannot charge a crime?  It's no longer in their purview.

              3. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I would love to offer an apology to anyone that could offer information that any official investigation took place on Biden's allegations of sexual harassment.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  "The police investigation is currently open, though the statute of limitations for prosecuting the alleged assault has expired."

                  https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 … allegation

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e … t-n1182296

                    When the rape happened she did this ---

                    "She also said that at the time of the incident, she filed a formal complaint through a Senate personnel office. In it, she said, she complained of harassment but didn't allege an assault.

                    Federal law at the time set forth procedures for allegations of harassment or discrimination in employment on the basis of gender, which would have included a hearing by a board of independent officers. No such process was initiated by Reade's complaint."

            2. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              My OP is all factual... Sorry up to you to prove it isn't.  Your opinion does little to prove anything. I offered facts.

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                'It would appear a new standard has emerged in regards to how sexual allegations are handled. We have a president that has sexual harassment alligations brushed aside, while many are up in arms requesting all the women are listening to, and their allegations investigated.'  -Sharlee, the Fact Queen

                Really?  You think that is a fact?  You make a claim that Biden's allegations were given a different treatment than Trump's in your opening post.  Please tell me when the FBI investigated Trump's?

            3. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e … t-n1182296

              "Reide filed a formal complaint through a Senate personnel office. In it, she said, she complained of harassment but didn't allege an assault.

              Federal law at the time set forth procedures for allegations of harassment or discrimination in employment on the basis of gender, which would have included a hearing by a board of independent officers. No such process was initiated by Reade's complaint."

    3. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      No one either understood the subject of my OP or chose to not address it. Which Live To Learn's comment was referring to.

      I pointed out the sheer hypocrisy in the left due to their irate calls for Cuomo to be hung out to dry when they stood by Biden with the same allegations. No investigation, no irate calls for him to step away from his campaign. This was clear claimed the claims against Biden were investigated. I asked for a bit of proof, due to not being able to find any proof of your claim. Still waiting... 

      Now to address your subject, you feel it hypocritical for Trump voters to point out Biden's sexual allegations. I would not have thought it wise to point this out in the same breathe as hypocrisy. Here is why --- Biden received 81,283,098 votes. If your logic in regards to Trump voters being hypocrites due to voting for a person that was accused of sexual abuse, where does that leave the 81,283,098 citizens that voted for Biden. Your analogy gives way to pure hypocrisy.

         "The alternate reality one has to live in to not see your own hypocrisy of criticizing politicians for abuses of women after voting for a known abuser of women and one accused of abuse of a 13-year old child." 

      Biden voters clearly slammed Trump for the sex alligations, yet voted for a man with that many women accused him of sexual harassment. So, it's an even playing field at this point. You yourself have slammed Trump with accusations of sexual abuse due to the many allegations.   Those of us that choose to bring up Biden's sexual harassment charges have the same right to say --- ya voted for a man that has been accused of sexual abuse.

      in the end, I voted for a man accused of sexual harassment, that went uninvestigated ---  And hate to tell you so did you.


      ,

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        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        The difference between you and me (can't speak for others)is that I would be happy if Joe resigned. You would be happy if Trump was still President.

        Also, hair sniffing and shoulder caressing, as inappropriate and creepy as they are, are a far cry from Trump's own admission of pu$$y grabbing and the 16(?) allegations of rape and sexual assault leveled against him. Biden had one.

        Don't get me wrong, I think Biden had predatory tendencies that he has managed to tamp down in recent years. Trumo, on the other hand, is an unrepentant predator. They are not equal by any stretch of the imagination.

        However you try to equate the two men--in terms of character, competence or intellect--you just look foolish and desperate to justify your support of a degenerate @ss.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          PP "The difference between you and me (can't speak for others)is that I would be happy if Joe resigned. You would be happy if Trump was still President."

          Very true at this point, Trump in my view had a good job performance. Biden does not know what a job is.

          Tara Reide --- he stuck his fingers in her vagina, perhaps you can call her a liar? I call that rape. Tamp down --- Goodie for us

          PP "Don't get me wrong, I think Biden had predatory tendencies that he has managed to tamp down in recent years. Trumo, on the other hand, is an unrepentant predator. They are not equal by any stretch of the imagination."

          At this point, I must say due to your train of thought it appears you want to compare who was the worse perv.  yeah... IMO that is a very strange way to look at two men that abused women sexually. But to each their own. LOL

          PP "However you try to equate the two men--in terms of character, competence, or intellect--you just look foolish and desperate to justify your support of a degenerate @ss."

          No wasn't me!  I have in no way compared these men in regards to anything.

          My thread is all about Cuomo and Biden in regards to one is being investigated for sex abuse, the other was not, and is not thus far. I also made mention the same applied to Trump.

          Your comment makes no sense. I certainly have made every attempt to get the point of the thread across. It's you that is spinning around and around posting opinions that just don't apply to the content of my OP.

          NOT ABOUT TRUMP ABOUT BIDEB AND CUOMO. read my OP.

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            PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Blah blah blah, same ol' same ol'

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              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, my sentiments too. That's why you should read your comments before you post them.  They make little to no sense.

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                PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                I've noticed that's what you say to every one who doesn't agree with you or counters your argument. They don't understand what you said, they're taking you out of context, or they don't make sense.

                I've seen you say the exact same thing probably dozens of times now to me, valent, Myesoteric, Islandbites, even GA.

                Blah blah blah

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, to be honest, you are correct it's true -- I do point out the very problems you mentioned.    I do feel more in tune with some that post here. I have not to hide that from you.  I do point it out if I feel I have been taken out of context. I think I give most here good respect for their opinions, and how they present their opinion.  Some, yes I will admit, not so much.

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                    PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    It is a pattern of not taking responsibility for your positions, in my opinion. Instead, you like to pretend those who oppose your view  don't understand you or take you out of context. Sort of like playing the victim, if you ask me.

      2. Valeant profile image88
        Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Just because you are unaware of the investigating that was done with someone like Reade, who was thoroughly debunked, does not necessarily mean that no investigating was done.  Perhaps dig deeper outside your own sources because many of us actually dug into that issue before supporting Biden.  So, your claim that people stood with Biden without any investigation is an outright lie.  And if you are going to spread lies about us Biden supporters, expect some serious pushback on that.

        And for many of us, the amount of allegations and severity of them in regards to Trump far dwarfs those made against Biden.  That is not even close to 'an even playing field' as you are trying to argue.  Biden has some creepiness, no denial there, but no 13-year old girl ever accused him in court of sexual assault.  Trying to equate Biden with that kind of offense is a huge false equivalency.

        And the point that makes this hypocritical is that you don't see Biden supporters making threads about sexual assault because we know our guy has issues.  It was not a factor where either candidate had a clean sheet, so we focused on issues where there were starker differences - such as empathy, trust in science, and honesty.

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          wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          "And for many of us, the amount of allegations and severity of them in regards to Trump far dwarfs those made against Biden."

          This I could well believe, for it doesn't take proof, just allegations.  For those "many" that's all it takes; unsupported claims of wrongdoing in order to pass judgement and convict.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Taken with his own words where he admits, "I just grab them by the pu&&y," equates to one who admits that they are sexual abusers.  My comparing Biden to Trump's allegations does not limit the proof of Trump admitting he did, in fact, on at least more than one occasion as the word 'them' insinuates, sexually assault a woman.

            That does factor into the differences between the two men.  One admits, even brags about, being a sexual assaulter to strangers in the media.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              So, Trump doing something exonerates Biden?

            2. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              That's what I said; all that is needed is an allegation.  Not proof, not even supporting evidence; just unsupported claims.  Including the abuse of a 13 year old child - something never admitted to at all, but now considered proven fact by those "many".

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                There is more than allegation when the person being accused admits to being someone who sexually assaults women on multiple occasions.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            My very point ---  Cuomo has been canceled out asked to resign without anything but allegations. He at this point has the AG in New York investigating the allegations. But let's hang him just because we can.

            Why Cuomo and not Biden?  Hypocrisy.

            1. Valeant profile image88
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Why Biden and not Trump?  Also hypocrisy.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Yes! You got it!  And why go after Cuomo? Again hypocrisy. Long ass road to get the same juncture. OMG

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                  PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Some people still care about integrity in their elected officials. The presidency is a special case now, because the standard for presidential character was set shockingly low by Trumpers who supported a self-admitted sexual predator.

                  Biden, no matter how hard you try to make it so, does not even come close to the abysmally low Trump standard. That is why the hypocrisy is on you.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Your opinion, just not mine. I find it shocking that anyone would use Trump as an excuse for voting for Biden.

                    I feel the very same about you. I would be banned if I explained why I feel you are hypocritical, and it would be really unkind on my part.  So maybe just time to take a break from conversing with you.

                2. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Then why only single out the Democrats?  If you really wanted to make an argument and not a partisan attack, then think about a more inclusive post title from now on.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    I did not hope to give the impression I was only pointing out Democrats I admittedly brought up Trump's name frequently in this thread. And made mention that hypocrisy is an all-around political problem.

                    In my OP yes I did use Biden and  Cuomo to point out a form of hypocrisy. But as soon as another user brought in Trump, I confirmed the same form of piracy was used with him.

                    I voted for Trump both times. When Biden was campaigning I found the two men with many of the same qualities. I once again had to choose from candidates that were laden with Character problems.

                    At this point, I do feel many voters did hold their noses and vote Biden. Pretty much what many did once again with Trump. So, do we all share a bit of hypocrisy? I say unfortunately yes.

                    You ask "Then why only single out the Democrats? "  In this case to tell the truth I was being current. I think you are reading too much into what you may think I was doing.  Looking back I should have made mention of Trump in my OP.

                    My threads are meant to be current. You do know I am on the right, as I know you are on the left.  So, we look at things differently.

                    This is a political forum, I post hard political-type threads. As I said not many even join in. I have always appreciated that you do comment. I miss Randy, he was one that would join in and was unafraid to give his opinion. Not sure anyone has noticed, I like opposing opinions. Otherwise, why would I bother with the controversial stuff? 

                    I could post on what flavor ice cream Joe likes. It would seem the safer thing to do here on the HP forum.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Could you offer the state, and law enforcement department that investigated Reide's rape complaint or any of the women's complaints that have accused Biden or Trump?  I could care less about media reports. An outright lie? really prove it. Actually had many friends and her mother that she shared her rape with when it happened.  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52462113

          I don't care to compare or weigh sexual assault sorry! Just find that disgusting., and not applicable or to my OP.  In my opinion, Biden raped Reide. There is very damming information in regards to people she shared her rape with when it happened.

          And your last paragraph shows such hypocrisy it's unbelievable. "You know your guy has issues" really.  I would not enter Trump into this conversation at all --- But you must be kidding. Many on this forum to this day bring up Trump and the accusations about sex allegations.  And then theirs this --- " It was not a factor where either candidate had a clean sheet, so we focused on issues where there were starker differences - such as empathy, trust in science, and honesty."

          You voted for a guy that is almost a carbon copy of Trump when it comes to Character. He lies, he has committed sexual abuse, his son and I am sure he is being investigated by the FBI. He is a politician and knows how BS a crowd. And has now a problem with dementia, and part of his dementia has presented him with anger issues. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

          What many did was hold their nose and vote for a mess of a man due to hating everything Trump. One difference Trump is and was a good problem solver. Now we have Obiden (Obama2.5 )which is ridding the country of all the good Trump provided.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            With the statute of limitations long expired, which law enforcement agency could have charged a crime?  Are you asking for a new standard under the law that says law enforcement should investigate things they cannot charge?  Hence, no cause for an investigation.

            As for weighing sexual assault, that's like not wanting to compare someone slapping someone to someone committing murder.  There are varying degrees in most crimes and many feel the guy you support is a much more despicable offender.

            Yes, we at least acknowledge Biden is flawed in his relations with women.  I even admit he can be creepy.  In your eyes, Trump can do nothing wrong.  I investigated the Reade allegation and while possible, did not find her credible based on character witnesses.

  6. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 14 months ago

    My thought is how many of Trump's alleged sexual assaults were 'investigated' during his campaign in 2016?  People have compared Biden to Kavanaugh and now Cuomo - but that is apples to oranges.  Shouldn't Biden's treatment be compared with how Trump was treated to see if there is a request for a new standard - which it seems clear that there is.

    Considering that Kavanaugh was up for a lifetime appointment, the standard should have been different than when a politician can be voted out of office after four years.

    If you wanted to make a non-partisan point about how politicians are treated in regards to sexual assault, then include them from both parties. This just comes off as more partisan propaganda - especially with the title that only mentions the party which you clearly detest and leaves out the recent politician with the most allegations, as well as upcoming court appearances pertaining to the issue.

  7. IslandBites profile image89
    IslandBitesposted 14 months ago

    Oh God. roll  LOL

 
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