Freedom, in a pandemic

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   Paragliderposted 2 years ago

   In my freedom, I choose to be a responsible citizen. I freely choose not to put myself first, but to act in the interests of the elderly and vulnerable. Freedom is about giving, not taking. Because when we, the free, give of our freedom, freedom grows. When we take, freedom dies.

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      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What about give a little more and take?

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         Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not sure what you mean by that?

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            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            You don't get 50-50 in this world, so I give a little extra to everyone, some how even more comes back. Never give too much, or they could disrespect you for that.
            
            All you have in life, is what you give away.
            
            The huge problem with the pandemic, its really a plan-demic

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               Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               "The huge problem with the pandemic, its really a plan-demic"
               I don't think so. Had it been planned it would not have been so chaotic or such an undiscerning blunt instrument.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I and my circle of love ones in our entire lifetimes, have ever experienced the world turned upside down like this. How chaotic or abusive do you want for everyone to be on their knees in every way, over this covid world order?
                  
                  If you want to continue giving to the greedy billionaires club who really do well for themselves. Yet generally people continue to go through their fires of hope, so be it.
                  I have faith in people and strong individuals who leap over the fire with a greater strength in holistic perspectives with love.

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                     Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     The pandemic continues to devastate the social landscape and probably will for some time to come. It is further dividing society as it is much easier for the well-to-do to weather the storm. If we are lucky, there may follow a reordering of society along lines of greater equality, or at least less inequality. But the signs of this happening are few and far between.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Are you afraid of something? Like mass selfishness? Like mass disregarding of the elderly and the vulnerable? Like mass not-giving and just-taking, like not enabling our freedom to grow?
      
      
      Well that is pretty scary:
      Not letting our freedom grow.

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         Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Personally afraid, no. But I am concerned at mass posturing of selfishness in the name of 'freedom'. The 'libertarian' version of freedom doesn't produce a free society. In fact it is antisocial and oppressive or true freedom which society has a duty to defend.

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            Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            oppressive of true freedom

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               Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               By your truth it is that we are not yet free; we have merely achieved the freedom to be free, the right not to be oppressed”.
               Who are we oppressed by? the wealthy 1%, the US military complex or china?
               
               From my experience and studies, power by the people, is the only true positive change throughout history.

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                  Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Recognition of the right not to be oppressed is the primary driving engine of freedom. Denial of that recognition is the characteristic trait of all forms of totalitarianism, whether overtly military or institutional/economic.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     This plandemic is another attempt for over obedience to totalitarianism. On every level and worldwide. As the the people get too sick and tired from this great abuse of power. The pendulum will swing the other direction.

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                        Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        By styling it a 'plandemic', are you buying into some or all of the conspiracy theories surrounding the origin of the virus or are you just referring to the attempts to orchestrate a meaningful global response?

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                           Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm very intuitive about large world events. Been preparing for this for 10 years. For now, most are slaves within our homes. I missed my opportunity to go live in Colombia, but could not leave my daughter behind. Things will be getting worse before they get better. Call it a conspiracy theory, as few of those have come true.
                           
                           My visions from my heart and gut have not steered me wrong. Not as nearly as trusting of the State and the wealthy as many are. Wail many are on their knees right now, over the covid world order.

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                              wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              It's a good thing you didn't live during the bubonic plague.  Fairs were closed, towns evacuated and "vinegar stones" were set up where trade could happen with zero contact and only "sterilized" money was exchanged.  Visitors coming in by ship were quarantined on islands remote from the mainland - islands rampant with the disease.  Houses were marked with paint to indicate someone there had the plague.
                              
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_cross
                              
                              https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/histo … community/
                              
                              https://www.history.com/news/quarantine … h-medieval
                              
                              You would probably have been drawn and quartered for preaching such heresy as you do here.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 I've toured 4 continents started back in the1960s and half of Africa where life expectancy in some parts was age 35. Taken 6 vaccines for travel, just don't trust, at all, whats in the covid vaccines as I don't trust the death numbers nor the fact there are far greater viruses or diseases were not shutting down the world over. 
                                 Yes, I sell holistic organic foods and medicines. Health is most important, its the ABCs of life, if there is a God it is that. Not preaching to take your soul for the super Daddy. Whats worst than sheep herders guild to the Universe. Is nationalism for the greed that hypnosis into shleeps.

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                              Paragliderposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              On a personal level, it's fine to be steered by intuition, by vision from heart & gut. However, there will be others for whom the same intuitive regime steers them in completely the opposite direction. This is why my preference is to apply critical rationalism to new situations. My reasoning may be at fault, but at least it can be discussed and improved upon.

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                                 Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                                 I love to see the world united like family. Yet your onesided owners, remind me of tbe Warlocks, from the movies... Time Machine. Where they herded the people in to a dark cave to eat them.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

   Freedom is the bottom line, after all.
   
   In our democratic republic, what (else) enables freedom, do you suppose?

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      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Freedom is in my top three means to an end, after health and love first.
      
      The handling of the covid harms all three. Covid is not even near the top 10 ways to die, according to world health organization. Without patient zero the vaccines wont work or for freedom. I'm wonder when the people are going to wake up from this possibility of genocide by their own choice.
      
      My living nightmare is becoming true, i didn't escape to Colombia, the biggest mistake.

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