Iran rejects third US offer to launch negotiations for new nuke deal

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   emgeposted 3 years ago

   Joe Biden is itching to start talks with Iran from day 1 of his presidency. But the Iranians know that they have him cornered as his department is making all sorts of defeatist noises. They also know that he shows a  veneer of toughness to China but again he is compromised on his relations. Biden is historical truth and proves that history brings forth such rulers to balance the world when an empire has to die like the Roman, Iranian and later the British empire wrapped up. Not forgetting the Mughal empire and the Ottoman empire. It's a historical cycle and Joe Biden is part of it.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for bringing up this very important subject. It has not been covered properly in the media, so many are not aware of the huge move China has made to bring Iran under their umbrella.  It is so clear China is moving more quickly to become the most powerful, the richest country in the world.
      
      And why would Iran need the US?  Old Joe certainly would have loved to walk down the path of appeasement with Iran, and come out with a light foot jog to announce some form of fluffy deal with Iran.  That time has come and gone... " DUBAI (Reuters) - China and Iran, both subject to U.S. sanctions, signed a 25-year cooperation agreement on Saturday to strengthen their long-standing economic and political alliance."
      
      Iran will be under the thumb of China, and Russia. Not such bad allies for a country that have the same kind of ideologies.
      
      We here in America are more worried about a baseball game being canceled or a state working on changing voting rules to ultimately benefit its citizens. We have a president that plays rope a dope, and so many just don't even realize what is truly going on in the country or the world. The media works full time to make sure one narrative gets out, and that in the long run is such a destructive narrative. Maybe it times American's wake up to see it is us that are being canceled out.

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         emgeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         America is in a state of flux. At this critical juncture, the election of Joe Biden as president can be summed up in one word its 'catastrophe.' This man is living in a world that is long past and he is getting the agenda of Obama forward and to people like me who have a close connection with the United States, there is no doubt that Obama was not completely loyal to the American dream and Joe Biden is just extending that forward. We must remember that the Hindu god of wealth  Kuber, had his coffers depleted also  And the USA has to vary of spending too much money and then becoming a pauper itself. An example is WHO which has become a Chinese baby and yet now the Americans are going to join back and pay millions of dollars as fees and dues. The WHO has not even given a proper report on the China virus. Beholden to China yet taking all the money from America. Even spending any money on the NATO alliance is a waste and the western European countries can look after the defense themselves. Russia was never a threat and the Americans have delivered the Russians into the Chinese arms creating a monolith block. Americans are worried about trivial things and about one man who died in police custody who incidentally was a black man; he was not a  man in shining armor. The law will take its own course.The American effort should have been to isolate Iran and ensure it does not have the nuclear bomb but they have been mollycoddling Iran under Biden and I couldn't understand why Biden had to repeatedly get on his knees and ask for the nuclear accord discussion to restart.The American people are going to pay a terrible price for the 4 years of Biden's presidency and even if he is incapacitated which is likely, the thought of the successor who is the vice president is even more frightening.

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            All very true...  It is a disappointment to see how the people have stood by and let the country become such a mess. It is very obvious that Biden is bent on pushing a harmful agenda, and this agenda will speed the process of the decline.  I have watched this happen, look from the outside in., and it seems surreal. I always think to myself --- Hey people are you at all aware of what's happening while we are led to look the other way?

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   Readmikenowposted 3 years ago

   "the election of Joe Biden as president can be summed up in one word its 'catastrophe.'"
   
   This is true.  I like to refer to it as the "fraudulent" election of Joe Biden.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Mike. The media's "hide it all' agenda is working well to keep citizens from realizing the true horrific problems we face as a Nation.  The Democrat citizens are in a false utopia of,  what Biden can offer up in regard to social goodies. The Republican or conservative citizens are in a state of just looking away from pressing problems as if they don't exist.
      
      Example--- the subject of  this thread --- "Iran rejects the third US offer to launch negotiations for new nuke deal"
      
      It would appear even the users here appear apathetic to discuss what I see as a very pressing problem the US faces with this new China/Iran deal.
      
      It would seem, the " Oh well " attitude is catchier than COVID. IMO this form of apathy is what led the US to its current state decline. 
      
      It makes me wonder if many will leave the country while the getting is good.

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   MG Singhposted 3 years ago

   The media seems to be sold out on Biden and the party. Biden does not know what to do and that's why he is, again and again, making offers to Iran. There is also little doubt that he won a fraudulent election. There should have been a commission to investigate but everything is brushed under the carpet. Many of the blacks are celebrating a Biden win, I can't help laughing; I wonder if anybody knows how many democratic presidents have been there before and what they did to restore racial equality.

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   Credence2posted 3 years ago

   It seems to me that Obama had the right idea in 2015 with his agreement with Iran in concert with Europe to get Iran to bring its nuclear ambitions under control in exchange for eliminating trade restrictions.
   
   So, Trump goes in like the perverbial bull in the China shop, unilaterally ends the arrangement without cause and does what all right wingers always do, be endlessly belligerent and stubborn.
   
   If I were Iran, I would be slow toward American advances as the rug could again be easily pulled out from under them, anyone outside the rightwing universe could easily understand this.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      China solved Biden's problem of continually offering Iran diplomacy talks. They have no interest in diplomacy.  No need for the US at all, now that they have this wonderful lucrative deal with China. The US was a day late and a dollar short.  Trump was playing hardball with China and Iran. China had Joe's number and was overjoyed to see him win the election.  One only needs to look to Europe, and one will see China has most European countries stepping up business dealings with them.  China a thin thread away from being the most powerful country in the world.
      
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran … SKBN2BJ0AD
      
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen … c289629e00

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         "Trump was playing hardball with China and Iran."
         
         And with all his saber rattling and such, what do we have to show for it? We missed an opportunity 6 years ago when they did negotiate.
         
         Out or curiosity, what do you conservatives think we should do about China?

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   ValKarasposted 3 years ago

   Iran doesn't feel one bit threatened by America, having Russia, India and China to back them up militarily and otherwise-- as major oil customers. (Remember how the war in Vietnam was fought between the US and then Soviet Union, only on a foreign terrain). Besides, the Soyuz Straight is so strategically important that no American general would advise the President to go into that adventure. Not to mention the fact that Iran is not really a military pushover either.
   The ever popular slogan of "Our friend's enemy is our enemy" has its limits, or should have, after so much blood has already been spilled in the Middle East, including American.
   
   So, Iran is pretty clear in what they want -- "Take all sanctions off first -- which are only a form of economic terrorism anyway -- and THEN we'll talk about a new round of nuclear agreements, not before".
   Let's hope Biden is smart enough not to pull the devil by the tail.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Biden is a loose cannon. I would agree to say hopefully whoever is running the show is smart enough not to pull the devil by the tail.  I think most leaders can see the situation our country is in with a president in name only. Really sets us up as appearing very weak, as a nation and a people.  I mean Biden was voted in by the people.

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      emgeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, Iran does not feel one bit threatened by the USA. This is because of Joe Biden becoming president and his repeated overtures to have nuclear talks with Iran. The Iranians are treating it with contempt mainly because they have got the backing of Russia and China. And now Chinese troops have also been deployed though on a limited scale in Iran.Thanks to Joe Biden the Americans have lost the plot in the Middle East. The clock cannot be put back but the fact is that successive American presidents right from Bill Clinton facilitated the rise of China with investment and aid. In the bargain they also lined up their personal pockets, in such a situation where the leader ship itself is suspect how can anybody counter China.

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I beg to differ regarding Iran's military, it would be as easy to defeat as any nation we have ever attacked.  It's own people are often in revolt against their government, the military would fold faster than Iraq's did in Desert Storm.
      
      On my profile you will see the Hub:  China, Iran and the Coming War
      
      I wrote that in 2012 (comments on it will attest to that)  the situation hasn't really changed any, China was just as committed to them then, Russia was just as committed to them then, this is not a new alliance.
      
      The goal of the Russia-China-Iran alliance was self protection against the U.S. then as it is now. 
      
      China's broader goal has always been to supplant the U.S. as global leader and strongest economy, it still is striving toward that goal today.
      
      The difference 8 years has made is that America's economy is far closer to collapse today and China's influence across the globe has grown stronger.  Throw in a politically expedient global pandemic and you have the tides of power shifting away from the U.S. and towards China.

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         While we slept China has devoured trade all over the world. We have become a nonsensical country with little to no real leadership.  But count your blessings, we don't have Dr. Seuss books in our libraries any longer.
         
         http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas- … -partners/

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   MG Singhposted 3 years ago

   Iran was never a military power and after the eclipse of the earlier Persian kings led by Darius and Xerses, Iran has never had an empire and with the advent of Shia-dominated Clergy has never set the world aflame. I agree that Iran will collapse like a house of cards in a military conflict. I am also more than sure that Iran will get no help from Russia or China in the event of real-time hostilities. That is the reason I say that there is no need for Biden to mollycoddle to Iran. But he is doing it, as his narrative is just to oppose the decisions of Trump. Obama who let the USA down during his 8 years, is orchestrating all this from behind. Biden is the worst thing to have happened to America but then such men come up as part of the historical cycle. The thought of his successor Kamala Harris ( in case he is incapacitated) is more frightening.

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