It's the perfect Republican ticket.
Morality and intelligence. They'll get things done. They're not Washington insiders and they'll drain the swamp.
Let's get this ticket moving now!
Morality and intelligence. Have you looked at who lives in the White House now? Need we list all of old Joe's flubs and sexual dalliances? At least Gaetz doesn't drool. Oh well
He's senile, right? The pot should not call the kettle black.
In my opinion, he is senile, unfit to hold office.
Presumably, you still support Trump and would happily vote for him again. In my opinion, anyone who holds such an opinion is a traitor to this country, given that they support a man who pushed an insurrection and continues to undermine Democracy in almost every way possible. As a result, we now have more than 50% of Republicans who don't believe we had a free and fair election. That means America is doomed and Trump is in the driver's seat.
I also don't know where I saw this, but you support the Georgia voting law and made the comment that you never had to take water to vote. I was wondering, when was the last time you stood in line for 8 hours in 100+ degree heat to vote?
Trump did not win, I certainly voted for Trump due to being so pleased with his job performance in his first tear. And finding Biden totally unsuitable due to his past history in his Job as Senator., I found him to have a true history as a racist and found him to have a problem with mentation due to his age. So, that's why I voted for Trump and did not consider voting for Biden. I have no idea who I will vote for in 2024, I have no idea who will be running. It is my hope that we have two more suitable candidates. And I agree there most likely is at least 50% or more that feel the last election was not free or fair.
I took many days to read Georgia's new voting laws. They clearly state food and beverage can be offered 150 feet from the voting poll entrance. And I am not sure where you came up with 100+ degree heat, it was Nov 8, and in Atlanta Georgia it was 76 degrees. I have added a link that provides Nov 2020 weather for Atlanta Georgia
Perhaps the media reported this 100 degrees to make it all sound so cruel... It almost seems like you feel the people that vote in Georgia would not have the common sense to bring a bottle of water if they really felt they might require it.
This kind of ridiculous rhetoric makes these citizens sound like they don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain.
The facts are the new Georgia laws were so very careful to respect the citizen's needs to be able to vote in a timely easy fashion. One only needs to read it, and not take media blurbs facts. The facts are written in a bill that was passed, and become law.
https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/atlan … ?year=2020
Sharlee, I still think that the very concept of keeping people away from sustenance while they wait in line to vote is both dumb and sinister. There really is not a good reason for such a provision.
Who will guarantee that the lines and the wait will not be so long that most people would not need to carry food and drink along?
So, I did not think that the Trump win in 2016 was necessarily fair either as Clinton won the popular vote. The outcome of the election was much closer and more so open to contention than this last one. There are many that saw this as I did but we did not whine about it then, though.
Come on Cred, do you really think that keeping food and water from folks, for an average of 51 minutes, is the issue the media is presenting? The proposed intent of the bill is to limit polling-line electioneering.
I am getting this mental picture of groups of volunteers racing to the front of the line to offer their "free water & food," (sustenance?). One group is wearing Vote Biden apparel and the other is wearing Vote Trump apparel.
When one group offers Walmart bottles of water and chips, the other will probably upgrade to Pellegrino and hot chicken wings. Ha!
I don't think this issue has anything to do with whether groups can offer sustenance, and everything to do with getting a name or idea in front of a voter as they are preparing to vote. It's not compassionate support, it is electioneering.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … in-georgia
Well, GA, unless you have problems with the Guardian and other news sources, 6 to 10 hours is a bit longer than 50 minutes.
Do you really think that people are that fickle and can be persuaded to vote for a candidate based a family member or friend bringing them a ham sandwich? My vote cannot be had or so cheaply obtained... I would like to think that people are able to make their own voting decisions as adults, sans outside influences like food and water....
I can go along with the concept as long as the polling process does not exceed a reasonable amount of time, and 6 hours in line is not reasonable.
In one county where the majority of voters are minority, they have added 250,000 voters, yet reduced polling locations. Can we get some common sense about wait times?
That is the question, isn't it. How is a reduced number of available polling places not consistent with longer lines and wait times?
Is the Georgia GOP as adamant about correcting that disparity as they are about keeping food and drink away from those who wish to cast ballots?
I have experience with only one polling place in the last 20 years. But when I enter there are 2 people handing out ballots and about 10 cubicles to vote in. There is one machine to feed the ballot into, which sits idle the vast majority of the time as it only takes a few seconds to scan and count the ballot.
If the number of ballot handlers were doubled and the number of cubicles rose to 20 could not that single location handle twice the number of people? Resulting in lines that are not longer (in minutes, not yards) than before?
Yes, if the administrators are going to provide for increased staffing at one facility to compensate for there not being as many facilities, that could well be a remedy.
It could...but only if the number of facilities was high enough that long travel distances were not required to vote. I understand that some rural areas might require an hours travel, or even more in exceptional cases, but cities should not take more than 30 minutes via mass transit.
I also understand that I am not cognizant of the problems of every precinct of the country and that they are all different. My suggestions on travel time may not be realistic in some areas.
I have not been able to find any facts that show polls were shut in rural areas. I have found media speculation they would be closed. But actually, none closed. Not sure this is not just a media-generated fabrication.
Given that it is a hot button political topic I doubt that you will find any true data...certainly not from such a biased media.
I do think, though, that the primary problems are in the populated areas where facilities are set up to handle historic numbers and were suddenly inadequate for the masses that turned out the last election day. Couple that with the drive for absentee ballots (mostly by unsolicited ballots) and things are changing. I do like to think that most of those people making those changes are honestly trying to do their best in strange times but there will always be some doing their best for their party rather than for the country. Watch dogs are necessary.
In all my years I have never witnessed just newfound hysteria over the voting process. No, I take that back, Stacy Abrams. felt she won and was cheated due to fraud. Go figure.
The simple solution is vote by mail. Works very well in Colorado.
I wouldn't have a problem having a problem with the Guardian if I thought their reporting was too slanted. The Guardian did an anecdote-supported article about the first day of early voting with unprecedented turn-out. Did that trend continue?
"Voters began lining up outside polling stations in the predawn hours, some using their cellphone flashlights to help other voters fill out pre-registration forms, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution."
I repeated a point from a report that supposedly looked at wait times in Georgia's minority-dominate voting precincts and it came up with an average wait time of 51 minutes. *shrug*
The better point in your response was whether I thought people were fickle enough to be swayed by food and drink offers. I have to repeat . . "Come on Cred," Hell yeah! I think many voters could be swayed by last-second influences. Do you really think they couldn't be? Do you really think most voters view their vote as seriously as we do here on these forums? I don't. How important is one taking their vote when they are filling out their voter registration form while in line to vote? Sounds like someone that was urged to vote by someone else, and I think that kind of voter could easily be influenced in the voting line.
I think it was mentioned, (but I didn't verify), that food and water can be passed out beyond the 150 ft. (?) campaign material and electioneering restriction. I don't have a problem with this. If a campaign sign or candidate surrogate can be there so can food and water. Do you know that the law says otherwise?
Yes, the average is acceptable, but ANY extreme to the extent shown in the Guardian article is unacceptable. Any hint at such wait times approaching reality must be dealt with.
I don't have a problem with your last paragraph as long as the system insures that people are not waiting much more than hour.
Last minute influences? Not in the last election, the sheer number that participated between two highly polarized groups tend to make me believe that if people could be so easily swayed by a sandwich or a trinket, why bother taking the time to come and cast a ballot in the first place. You must have some desire to participate in the process or you wouldn't be there.
" You must have some desire to participate in the process or you wouldn't be there."
We have different views on a certain segment of voters. I can easily see someone non-committed to voting, being persuaded to get off the couch and come vote with a friend. What is your view of what Get Out The Vote drives are all about—persuading folks that aren't inclined to vote, to come out and vote?
Do you really think that Lazy Larry couldn't be prodded by Eager Eddy to get off the couch and come vote with him? "Comm'n Larry, come to vote with me. It won't take long and you can fill out the form while you're in line. We'll stop for burgers and beer afterward."
Yep, I can see that. It is voters of this commitment level that I can see being influenced by last-minute electioneering.
So here's the thing, we should be making it easier to vote not harder. One party wants to make it easier and one wants to make it harder. That's pretty plain.
What's also true is that the Georgia law isn't as bad as the left is making it out to be. It's not good, in that it's making things harder for the kinds of voters Georgia Republicans don't like, but neither is it "Jim Crow on steroids". That left rhetoric isn't close to the truth.
Crank, in this process each side should be trying to makes its message more attractive to the voters, the Republicans want to shoot the referee.
Yes, Republicans are out to inhibit voters they don't like, but in Georgia, for the most part the effort is focused in Fulton County against African American voters. It may well not be anti-black as Jim Crow alludes to, but it is anti-opposition and anti-Democratic (with a small D)
Your first point is probably true, re. the politics of it, but I don't completely agree with your "make it easier" thought. Nor do I completely agree with all of the Republican efforts.
The Right to Vote shouldn't be free. It should morally require the effort of participation. And that means more participation than just agreeing to get off the couch and go vote with a buddy.
In past discussions about this issue; state's voter law changes, in almost every instance of change, government programs were implemented to accomplish that change for the voter. If grandma couldn't get to the DMV then a mobile DMV unit came to her.
We have made it easier to vote. we just haven't made it effortless. And I don't think it should be. It is a valuable Right and every person should recognize that.
"The Right to Vote shouldn't be free. It should morally require the effort of participation. And that means more participation than just agreeing to get off the couch and go vote with a buddy."
We have to agree to disagree on this. I don't have buddies or pals that drag me down to a process that I am not interested in participating in.
Voter drives have been around for a long time, people need to be encouraged and reminded of their civic duty from time to time, just like the bang up job Stacey Abrams did in Georgia? There was a lot at stake in 2020, and the exceptional turn out revealed that she both delivered the message and it was well received. The GOP will try to impede this and will fail dismally.
The right to vote should be free for every citizen over 18. What else is required other than your desire, being there, as qualification to participate?Republicans always talk about "quality" of voters. Those are just code words for people who either do or do not vote for them.
It should be effortless to the extent that polling places are readily available and the process does not take all day, since the people the GOP like to exclude have to work for a living and do not have the flexibility available to their generally well heeled constituency.
The new law lets them bring food and beverages, and persons can offer food and beverage at the polls. They did stipulate one must not approach people in line one they are 150 feet from the polling machines. This seems very reasonable to me. Not sure in all my years I ever witnessed a party offering water and food at the polls. I see no problem with it. I can see the media made it very apparent these "poor people need this courtesy. Georgia has their back... It's actually in the bill food and beverage dispersal is the law.
You do know the Dems are not really upset about the beverage law, they are upset about the new law that one must produce an ID in person and apply for a mail-in absentee ballot. No more blank mail-out ballots that can just be filled in. The ballot must be applied for and proof of ID. This is what have the Dems all stewed up about the poor dehydrating folks.
What Georgia’s SB 202 --- here is the scoop on what the bill says about food and water giveaways
" (a) No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any
person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give,
or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and
drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any
person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables
or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast
(1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is
So fear not, water can be on the premises. And it was not over 100 degrees on Nov 8th as the media claimed it was in Georgia. It was in the low 70's.
I guess you forgot this post -- You seem to feel a bit differently about the Dem nominee for president way back when you said this ---
crankalicious profile image94crankaliciousposted 12 months ago
I had to post this since it appeared in a reputable left-wing source:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-bide … 6a7a2a88f2
This is serious stuff and I don't care how long ago the accusation happened. It will be worth every Democrat's time to follow this issue and then decide if they can support Biden. I was ready to support him, but I don't know if I can choose between two sexual predators.
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Seems a tad hypocritical.
Who will the dems put up against them. Probably Cuomo.
Let's not talk issues. Just scandal.
Not really hate --- But I always am ready to have a good laugh pointing out hypocrisy.
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