Is the US headed toward Communism?

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  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    How will this type of regime come about. I would say through technology.
    The most powerful of entities are Facebook, Amazon and Google.
    How much power are we willing to let them have?
    How can we reign them in?
    ... or do we want them to control us?
    Do we want to be blindly obedient to their influence?
    Can they be stopped?
    What is their connection to the government?

    What will the future be?
    Free or not?

    1. Nathanville profile image92
      Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Nope:  Even Britain with strong Socialism built into our very fibre and fabric of 'Society' and British laws e.g. the NHS, due to the influence of the Labour Party (the political wing of the Trade Unions, and a Socialist Party) is far from communism.

      A better question may be; “Is the USA headed towards Socialism”.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Yes, and many think its a wonderful thing.

        However, the country is composed of states. This reality makes it a republic. What is the point of a republic if you are just going to force the individual states into a system which takes a way their autonomy, (and their ability to check the Feds.)

        Might as well remove statehood while you're at it.
        Which has been and is happening.

        The consequence of losing individual states is the gaining of a limitlessly powerful central government.

        1. Nathanville profile image92
          Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Kathryn, the USA (like the Republic of Ireland) is a Republic because you don’t have a Monarchy; albeit, these days a Monarchy is just a ‘figure head’.

          I can sympathise with your viewpoint in that the UK (United Kingdoms) aren’t all ruled by the UK Government to the extent that Americans might think they are.

          The UK is the ‘Union under Treaty’ of four separate countries (Kingdoms); England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales; with Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales all being the Celtic Nations.

          And as such each of the four nations have their own Government:-

          •    Scotland has a Socialist Government; the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party).
          •    Wales has a Socialist Government; Labour.
          •    Northern Ireland have a ‘power share’ Government where both the hard right-wing DUP party and the hard-left Sinn Fein party (the political wing of the IRA) share power as part of the 1998 Peace Treaty (Good Friday Agreement).
          •    England currently has a right-wing Conservative/Capitalist Government; who also governs the whole of the UK; just like the Federal Government governs the States in the USA.

          However, although the UK Government (in England) governs the whole of the UK, the Celtic nations (Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales) also have a certain level of autonomy, similar to the States in the USA.  For example:-

          •    While Universities charge fees in England & Wales (just like in the USA); in Scotland University is free.

          •    The Scottish Government has also banned fracking; whereas the English Government have only made the Regulations so tough in England and Wales that fracking isn’t commercially viable.

          The Celtic nations (Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales) all also manage their own health, education, and transport for example; so although the laws are often similar between the regions, there are regional variations.

          While you fear that the individual States might be losing their ‘Statehood’ in the USA; quite the reverse is happing in the UK e.g.

          •    Scotland is pressing for Independence (to become an independent country again),

          •    Northern Ireland are slowly moving towards breaking away from the UK and re-re-uniting with the Republic of Ireland,

          •    Movement towards Independence in Wales is small, but growing, and

          •    Cornwall, as a newly recognised Celtic Nation is beginning to seek their own autonomy, separate from England.

          In 2014 the UK Government granted Cornwall (in law) ‘Special Status’ as a protected minority nation, putting Cornwall on the same legal status as Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.

          Below is a video from 2012, as part of Cornwall’s campaign for legal recognition as being not part of England:-

          Free Cornwall - Cornwall is not England:

      2. Readmikenow profile image94
        Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this


        On this subject, I don't think real Americans and Europeans will ever understand one another.

        We are not subjects of a Monarchy, and our history is one of fighting against such things.  We are American citizens.  We've never pledge our loyalty to Queen and country.  We pledge our loyalty ONLY to our country.

        What Europeans talk about the benefits of socialism, it horrifies most real Americans. 

        Europeans seem perfectly comfortable with having their government tell them what to do, how to act, what to think and more.  The American spirit is one of taking care of ones self with limited government intervention.  We learned long ago that those in government are NOT the wizards of smart.  We put as many restrictions on them as possible and many of us don't think we put enough.

        There has never been a Hitler or Mussolini as a leader in our country.  That is the history of Europe.  To think there has, only show a sincere ignorance of history.

          We don't need free health care because many of us like choosing our healthcare plan and what is covered in it.  What happens if you want a procedure the government won't pay?  Then you're forced to go elsewhere.  The mother of a friend from Wales came to the United States for a procedure.  This is the place that has the highest rates of modern medical equipment per capita than any other country.  The best doctors can be found in the United States.  Why? Capitalism.  They know if they come here they can make more money than any other place in the world.  So, have your free health care.  We have the best doctors and the most modern medical equipment available for our citizens than any other country in the world.

        Europeans often seem to be people who need to be told what to do by their government.  Americans just need government to leave us alone, and let us have the tools to take care of ourselves.  Again, the less government the better.  This is what made the United States have the largest economy in the world.  When we let the government take over too much, it will put us down with the European economies and the economies of the rest of the world.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Much of what you have said is understandable.

          My view point would be the Corporationism is destorying much of the American common folk  economy, health care and national environment.

          Luckily for me, I go on a private system like the wealthy. Accept with a no harm policy.

        2. Nathanville profile image92
          Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yep, Readmikenow, I agree with you; Americans and Europeans will never understand one another; two completely different cultures.

          Yep, I know that the benefits of socialism that Europeans relish in, horrifies most Americans; fear of the unknown?

          But our Governments don’t tell us what to do, how to act or what to think; we have ‘Freedoms’ in Europe, just like you do in the USA.  The only difference is, is that there is a lot more ‘Regulations’ on Businesses, Industry, Commerce and throughout Society to better protect and to give better security (safety net) to the weaker and more vulnerable sectors of Society; and yes Europeans are perfectly comfortable with that, because we recognise that given a change of circumstance anyone of us could fall on hard times or fall ill, and would then benefit from Government aid (welfare, healthcare).

          That’s where the American and European culture differs “the American spirit is one of taking care of one’s self, with limited government intervention”; very much the ‘Wild West Spirit” of ever man for himself.

          Where the European spirit is one of ‘community’, where we instinctively look after one and other, and protect the weak and vulnerable; in a time of national crisis, in Britain, this manifests itself as what’s known as the  “Wartime Spirit”.

          In other words the European spirit is the complete reverse of the American spirit.

          No, we don’t need to be told what to do by our governments in Europe; we have governments of all political persuasions, elected from a wide spectrum of politics; and (although nothing is perfect) generally (even if we don’t fully trust the elected government) we have more faith and trust in our political system than Americans have in their politicians; I think predominantly because we ‘the people’ do have an impact on governments through ‘consultation’, lobbying and pressure groups etc.  So it’s not so much of Europeans needing to be told what to do by the governments; it’s more of a case of governments being elected by the people to represent the people e.g. the election manifesto.

          And FYI, the reason the USA is the wealthiest country in the world is because it’s a large country with a large economy e.g. one of the biggest developed countries in the world; but FYI the EU’s economic wealth isn’t that far behind the USA, and the UK (in spite of its small size) is the 6th economically wealthiest country in the world.

          Healthcare USA vs the UK and the World
          Yep, in the USA you have a choice of what healthcare plan you want to pay for; if you can afford it:  But for millions of Americans, they can’t afford but the most basic care; which is far inferior to the free healthcare on the NHS in the UK.

          Yep, there are medical conditions so rare that only a few countries, such as the USA offer that procedure.  But for the vast majority of people, the vast majority of the time the NHS offers as good a healthcare as the USA or any other country (and for free). 

          Yes, doctors and nurses get paid a lot more in the USA than they do in the UK or most any other country in the world; but that doesn’t mean the USA has a monopoly on healthcare innovation.

          In the UK the NHS works in partnership with Universities facilitating medial R&D (Research and Development), at cost; and as such some of the greatest achievements made by the NHS, as a world first include:-
          •    1949: Intraocular lens. ...developed and used by the NHS
          •    1958: First use in the world of ultrasound in obstetrics. ...done by the NHS
          •    1962: First Total hip replacement in the world. ...done by the NHS
          •    1978: World's first test tube baby born in the UK. ...on the NHS
          •    1986: World's first combined heart, liver & lung transplant. ...done by the NHS
          •    1991: World's first robotic surgery…. Done by the NHS
          •    2000: World’s first gene therapy (GT) trials for children without an immune system… done by the NHS.
          •    2013: World’s first bionic hand…. Develop by the NHS.

          Other stats, showing that the USA doesn’t always have the best in healthcare include:-

          •    The UK has 2.8 doctors per 1,000 of population; the USA has 2.6 doctors per 1,000 of population (58th from the top best); Germany has 4.2 doctors per 1,000 of population.

          •    Acute care beds for 1,000 population; Japan 1st with 7.8 acute care beds for 1,000 population; Germany is 2nd with 6 per 1,000, and USA is 9th with 2.5 per 1,000

          •    Nurses 17.4 per 1,000 in USA, 20 per 1,000 in Sweden, and 9.8 per 1,000 in UK.

          •    MRI’s per Capita.  Japan is 1st with 55.2 per million population, the USA is 2nd with 40.4 per million, Germany 3rd with 34.7 per million and UK has 6.1 per million.

          For the three weeks I was in hospital with kidney infection earlier this year I had:-
          •    Two ECG’s
          •    An MRI scan (lasting 20 minutes)
          •    A chest x-ray, and
          •    Numerous other scans and tests most days; plus
          •    2 or 3 litres of saline solution to help support my kidneys while they regained their strength, and
          •    Blood tests every single day.

          When I feel ill in January, I was taken to hospital by ambulance, and following my discharge from hospital, I’ve made several visits to my doctor, and bi-monthly day visits to the hospital for check-ups and tests, including another MRI scan (my third MRI scan this year) while I recover; with the occasional visit to my home by the ‘District Nurse’; and that and the medication while I make a full recover; all have cost me nothing ‘not a single penny (cent)’.

          Even the hospital food & hot drinks, which I enjoyed, was all free.  Each morning the catering staff would bring the menu around so that I could tick which menu options I wanted e.g. as well as breakfast, a three course meal for lunch and a three course meal for the evening meal.  I had a lot of coffee in hospital, but my favourite hot drinks were hot chocolate, and coffee made with 100% milk (rather than water).

          My understanding from speaking with other Americans, is that in the USA the ambulance ride alone would typically cost $10,000, and all the tests I had while in hospital would soon add up; so that in the USA people who can’t afford expensive health insurance either have to use their savings, sale their house, go bankrupt or go without the full medical treatment, and take their chances with nature?

          Whereas in the UK; it’s all free to everyone at the point of use, so we all get the best care available (people before profit) and we don’t have to worry about the costs.

          And of course, the USA medical services pays full whack for medication to the Pharmaceutical Companies; whereas the NHS with over 66 million customer base is a big customer to the Pharmaceutical Companies and therefore able to negotiate tuff deals e.g. the cost of insulin in the USA is 8.9 times that the NHS pays for insulin in the UK.

          1. Readmikenow profile image94
            Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this


            Freedom and independence are two things Europeans will never understand.  That's why so many Europeans left their countries to come here centuries ago.

            Yes, there are people in the United States who need to have the government take care of them like the people in Europe need to be taken care of by their government.

            But, there are even more people who can take care of themselves and flourish without government intervention.  As I said before, we know those who work in government are NOT the wizards of smart.  They are often people who have personal agendas.  Most of us need very little government in our lives to survive.

            I know the concept of freedom of speech in the United States just stuns most Europeans.  I think it was one of your former royals who said it was "bonkers."  That didn't set well with most Americans.  Europeans need to realize most of us don't really care what Europeans think.  Not really impressed by Europeans.

            Thanks for sharing the success of medical innovation in the UK.  However, it isn't even close to the medical innovations created by the United States.  The MRI, CT Scan, polio vaccine and more were invented in the United States.  It remains the leader in medical and biotechnical research.

            "The USA is an indisputable world leader in medical and biotechnological research"


            We don't have the world's largest economy in the world because we're a large country.  Russia is a large country and isn't even close.  No, it comes down to embracing freedom and independence.  The opportunity to do the best possible for yourself.  This draw people from all over the world to come and settle here.  One of our biggest problems is trying to keep people from breaking our laws to come here and be a citizen.  Since my family came here from Ukraine and has established itself, I can see the difference between the old country and the United States.  The thinking and mindset are very different. 

            Guess what?  Your healthcare isn't free.  Citizens and businesses pay for it through their taxes.  Now, in the United States, if you make that much money, you can get "free" health care...paid for by US citizens and companies.  People, with no healthcare insurance, walk into hospitals every day and get treatment they need.  Their care is paid for by a government program.  But, it is Capitalism, the ability to be as successful as you are able, that creates a tax base to make this possible.

            So, as Europeans enjoy having a government that tells them what they can and can't do in many, many, many situations, I'll stay with the United States.

            I think this article pretty much sums up the differences.

            "Europeans are focused on fairness. Americans are focused on freedom.  Europeans look at Americans as a bunch of uncultured barbarians running amok in their country and worse, through the world spreading their vulgar culture around. Americans see Europeans as a bunch of sissies whose people meekly except regulations and massive taxation in an effort to make life more "fair" for everyone.  The American response would typically be "Hey, life ain't fair!" to which the European might answer "But it should be!" And so it goes from there."

            "Great freedom requiring personal responsibility is one of the cornerstones of American culture. And it is a relatively foreign concept to Europeans (not personal responsibility but the relationship between the two).  We pretty much allow people to do what they want here.  You can own a gun with few exceptions. There are few regulations in being an entrepreneur.  But at the same time, there are few regulations to keep a company from simply bombing on its own.  People in the United States aren't taxed very much relatively speaking. They're free to make decisions on how they want to spend the money they earn. But on the other side of the coin, they also are free to make poor choices and end up in the gutter.

            I don't mean this as a criticism of Europe but Europeans have never had the kinds of freedoms Americans have. Even today. It was, after all, a big reason why so many Europeans came to the United States in the first place. The US government is formed on the basis of the federal government essentially providing a handful of essential services. It's actually the weakest central government in the industrialized world in terms of its domestic power. But Europeans have not demanded the kinds of freedoms Americans want. A European might correctly point out that too much freedom leads to chaos and anarchy. And that Europeans have chosen to pull back a bit from the brink that Americans seem so readily to jump over in order to try to create a more just society."

   … s_Fairness

            1. Nathanville profile image92
              Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Readmikenow, I like your link to “USA vs. Europe: Freedom vs. Fairness”; a lot of home truths in the article.

              As we both agree, Europeans and Americans will never understand each other because of our ‘cultural’ differences. 

              Here, I cover the points you raise, as follows:-

              Historic Migration from Europe to America
              Europeans didn’t just leave their countries to emigrate to America centuries ago because they wanted ‘Freedom & Independence’; they left because of ‘Religious Persecution’.  From the time of the beginning of the Reformation in 1517, when the Church split leading to the creation of Protestants, historically Catholics and Protestants persecuted each other.

              Times have changed, and these days, with the exception of places like Ireland, Europe isn’t very religious e.g. Britain is now a ‘Secular’ Society with over 50% of the population having no religion, many of whom are atheists or agnostics.  Northern Ireland is an exception, where 93% are religious (48% Protestants & 45% Catholic).  And in Northern Ireland a fragile peace is only kept by the 1998 peace treaty (Good Friday Agreement); an uneasy peace agreement which is currently under threat by Brexit.

              Current Migrations between UK & USA
              Yep, the USA is a popular destination for those seeking money (greed & wealth); but it’s not to everyone’s taste.  For example, there are currently 197,355 Americans living in the UK (2011 Census); and here is one, an American Officially Receiving British Citizenship:

              Integrity of Governments
              Yep, I get the impression that in respect to the USA your comment “….we know those who work in government are NOT the wizards of smart.”  is very true; but not so much in the UK:-

              Yes, if you’re talking about politicians, they don’t need to be smart to get elected, and often ambitious politicians do have personal agendas; but in the UK the Government machinery isn’t just Parliament, it’s also the ‘civil service’, which (unlike the USA) in the UK are apolitical (politically neutral).  In the UK it doesn’t matter which Government is in power, or what their policies are, the UK Government has the machinery of the civil service behind them to carry out those policies ‘professionally’; something I know from first-hand experience because I was a civil servant from the time I left school until the day I took early retirement.

              In the UK, to prevent Governments from ‘manipulating’ the data/stats or influencing key Government Departments for ‘political gain’, in the 1990’s the Labour Government (Socialists) made key critical Government Departments ‘Independent’ from the Government, and only answerable to Parliament e.g. the ONS (Office of National Statistics); the National Archives; the Electoral Commission; Ofcom (watchdog) etc. e.g. one of Ofcom’s role is to regulate the News Media on TV so that unlike the Newspapers (who still have the Freedom of the Press in the UK), all News Media on British TV & Radio is heavily ‘Regulated’ to ensure its non-bias, factual and balanced.  Hence, unlike reading the newspapers, in the UK you can trust the news you see on TV to be non-political, informative and factual.

              Freedom of Speech
              Yep, I agree with Prince Harry in his comments that the “concept of Freedom of Speech in the USA is “bonkers”.  In Europe we have ‘Freedom of Speech’, but we take the attitude that with that ‘freedom’, comes ‘responsibility’ e.g. to refrain from making remarks that are hurtful to minority groups that can’t defend themselves; a simple courtesy, and respect for those less able to stand-up for themselves such as religious minorities, disabled, elderly and ethnic minorities etc.

              Indifference from Across the Pond
              Yep, Europeans do realize that most Americans (who haven’t spent time in Europe) arrogantly consider themselves the ‘superior race’; that’s an attitude that’s blatantly office on Social Media.  For American’s who do spend time in Europe, it’s a culture shock, and their attitudes towards the rest of the world are more humble:-

              6 LIES America Told Me! (As told by an American who’s moved to Europe): (and she talks about ‘Freedom’ from 11:33 in the video).

              World Leaders in R&D (Research & Development)
              Yes, the USA may well be a world leader in “medical and biotechnological research"; but it doesn’t have a monopoly e.g. the UK is a Leader in Preclinical Cell and Gene Therapy Research, the UK is a pioneer in the use of large-scale, rapid whole-genome sequencing of the Covid virus; and 45% of all covid sequences (identification of new covid variants) around the world are identified by the UK.

              Although the USA is a world leader in “medical and biotechnological research", and no doubt in other scientific and technological areas; there are plenty of areas where other countries around the world are world leaders and not the USA.

              For examples, just to name a few:-

              •    China is a world leader in solar power technology; and was the first country to develop the hydrogen train.  Currently, the only other two countries in the world using hydrogen trains are Germany and Britain.

              •    The UK is a world leader in offshore wind turbine technology; with over half the world’s offshore wind turbines being off the coast of Britain; and Britain laying an average of one new wind turbine per day; as the UK rapidly moves towards being a net carbon neutral country.

              •    Scotland is a world leader on the R&D of Green Hydrogen.

              •    Israel is a world leader in the R&D of desalination.

              Just 7 years ago (in 2014) 30% of the UK’s electricity came from burning coal, and only about 15% of our electricity was from Renewable Energy.  Now, less than 1% of our electricity comes from coal, and over 50% from Renewable Energy. 

              Yep, I didn’t word things as well as I could have e.g. I was referring to the economies of the Industrialised nations specifically; and yes the USA does have the world’s largest GDP by value; but when you look at the GDP per capita the USA is 7th not 1st; GDP per capita countries like Luxembourg, Ireland, Switzerland and Norway are all far wealthier than the USA.  Freedom and independence has very little to do with it:  While you may attract people from all over the world who are driven by money, wealth, profit and greed; there are a lot of people with talent and skills who are not driven by wealth, dedicated to the work they do, who make major contributions in all countries across the world.  You need to look at the achievement being made in other countries across the world to appreciate that no one country is superior to any other.

              Yep I know our healthcare in the UK is paid for through taxes; but FYI businesses don’t contribute any taxes towards the NHS (National Health Service), only citizens in full time employment and not on the legal minimum wage. 

              According to data published by the ONS (Office of National Statistics) the average wage earner in the UK pays typically around £2,627 ($3,725) per year in taxes towards the cost of the NHS.  And for that $310 per month paid in taxes by the average worker, everything on the NHS (including prescriptions) are all free at the point of use to everyone regardless to their personal income and wealth.  Even the Royal Family uses the NHS.

              In my case, I and my wife took early retirement, so we no longer pay any taxes towards the NHS; yet we still have full access to the NHS for all our medical needs; for free.

              Yep, in the USA people with no healthcare insurance may well be able to walk into hospitals every day to get treatment that they need; but they still have to pay for medication, and they can’t see a doctor without paying a fee, and certainly they can’t afford an ambulance without ending up with a hefty bill that will make them bankrupt. 

              And what about medical care that’s not life threatening; can people in the USA who can’t afford medical insurance get that paid for by the Government?

              In the UK, on the NHS for Free (at the point of use), as an example, medical treatment for these non-life threatening services is available to all who require them:-

              •    Erectile dysfunction
              •    Sex change
              •    Fertility clinics, including ‘test tube babies’

              It’s not capitalism that makes free healthcare to those who can’t afford it possible; most every developed country; including communist countries provide some form of free or affordable healthcare; with the USA being by far the most expensive in the world.

              For example, Southmead Hospital, Bristol; the newly built hospital where I was taken to by ambulance (for free) when I fell ill earlier in the year, and where I spent three weeks (for free) recovering has 800 private single bedrooms, each with its own en-suite bathroom and TV, and the mortgage the Government pays on the building is £100,000 ($140,000) per day.

              Southmead Hospital, Bristol:

              Yep, in Europe, we may not have the freedom to own guns and kill each other with them; but we do have the freedom to work less hours (for less money) and have six weeks week’s holiday (vacation) a year (by law), rather than just the two weeks that typical American get if they are lucky; and spend those six weeks holidays (vacation) just relaxing, rather than working e.g. sun bathing, sightseeing, touring etc.

              The Nanny State
              I know that you, and many Americans like you, are appalled by the concept of the ‘Nanny State’ (like we have in the EU and in the UK), you see it as affront to ‘freedom’!

              However, having lived the system, I wouldn’t want it any other way; for just a few examples:

              •    With six weeks paid leave (vacation) being the legal minimum in the UK, during our working life we were able to have typically three good holidays each year e.g. a British holiday for a week in May or June; two weeks in France and Belgium each July and another British holiday for a week in August.

              •    Both my wife and I were able to take early retirement at the age of 55; I was a civil servant and my wife worked in Admin in the NHS.

              •    And although we own our own home, and have never sponged off the State during our working lives; now that we are older, and my wife is partially disabled due to a back condition we can now reap the benefits of the UK ‘Social Benefit’ system e.g. claiming disability and carers allowance.

              Because of my wife’s back condition she claims PIP (Personal Independence Payment) from the Government; which is currently £4,669 ($6,528) per year; and because my wife claims PIP (disability allowance) it entitles me to claim a ‘carers’ allowance from the Government for looking after my wife, which is £3,504 ($4,899) per year; a total joint income from the Government of $11,427. 

              So, I’d much rather have the socialist based systems like we have across Europe and in the UK,  so that where and when people fall ill and or fall on hard times that they have the security; rather than the hands-off Laissez-faire Governments of the USA, where if and when you fall ill or fall on hard times you either sink or swim on your own, with no one to help you.

              1. Readmikenow profile image94
                Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                "As we both agree, Europeans and Americans will never understand each other because of our ‘cultural’ differences."

                This is so true. 

                On immigration, I have had relative come to the United States and become US citizens.  This has happened on at least three occasions.  Each time during the swearing in ceremony, I've seen people from Britain become US citizens. Once there were six people from Britain who became US citizens.  One of them explained to me they wanted the benefits of duel citizenship.

                All the benefits you explained in your Nanny State section can happen in the United States, you just have to earn them.  Many people in my client companies have six weeks vacation, because of how the company has structured their benefit package.  Many people here can retire at 55.  Many people get disability benefits.  Ours is through Social Security benefits.

                It may look like Ireland, Norway and Switzerland are far more wealthy than the United States, but none of them are able to support a worldwide military force.  Think of how much money the United States would have if it didn't have to worry about protecting countries such as Ireland, Norway and Switzerland? Does anyone think a country like Canada could experience it's economic success if it had to depend on just its own armed forces?  NATO takes terrible advantage of the United States with its contribution to a fighting force.  Just think of the BILLIONs of dollars the United States could save it Europe could defend itself?  Germany does everything it can to keep US military bases in their country.  It would be expensive if they had to build up their military forces and maintain them.  It's cheaper to have the US military bases there and the US military contribute significantly to the German economies where they are placed.  It's the same way all around the world.

                And again, for medical care that is not life threatening there is medicade and medicare...they will cover these people without cost to them.  Same with medications.  If people have an income that is low, and they qualify for one of these programs, they have what you consider "free" healthcare.

                In the United States people who get ill or have bad times will get their needs met.  There is unemployment insurance, hardship programs, government assistance programs and more.

                In Europe the only freedoms you have are those granted to you by the government.  That's a huge difference between the United States and Europe.  You feel the government rules you, here we think the people rule the government.  That is a HUGE difference.   

                I don't think I would ever want the government to determine what is or what is not acceptable speech.  So, I like my freedoms and can't understand Europeans need to control their citizens.  Or why European citizens permit their government to control them.  It's a cultural thing.

                1. Nathanville profile image92
                  Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Readmikenow, that’s the point; in the USA you have to be in employment, and working for a good Company, to earn any privileges such as generous (six weeks) paid holiday leave, or a good pension so that you can retire at 55.  In the USA you are at the mercy of your employer.  In the USA not everyone can get good jobs with good employer’s e.g. a waitress isn’t going to be given six weeks paid holiday by her employer, and neither is anyone working in McDonalds, or a stacker in a supermarket; all these people, and tens of millions more across America will be lucky if they get two week’s paid leave.

                  Whereas, every single worker in Europe (and the UK) automatically get a minimum of six weeks paid holiday (vacation) leave from the 1st day they start employment. 

                  The difference is only the lucky ones who have good jobs with good employers might eventually get 6 weeks paid leave in the USA, while every other working American is a slave to their job.  Whereas, in the UK everyone has the same ‘full’ entitlement by law; and are not dependent on the whims of their employer.

                  Yea, as I said last time, I acknowledge that there are lots of people who want to emigrate to the USA; but as I pointed out, it’s not all one way, there are also tens of thousands of Americans who want to emigrate to Europe and the UK; as per the video links in my last reply.

                  Yep, many people may get disability benefits in the USA; but how many millions who need it don’t get it; and how generous are those payments e.g. in the UK people whose mobility is severely limited due to their disability, not only get a higher rate of disability that my wife gets, but also get a free ‘new’ car every three years, with the tax, insurance and maintenance all paid for by the Government.

                  Your road to worry-free motoring starts here!

                  I can understand your gripe about NATO contributions; particularly as none of the other NATO members (except the UK) pay their full contribution.

                  However, you can’t use the USA’s spending on NATO as an excuse for the USA not having the highest GDP per capita in the world.  Although the USA contributes around 70% of NATO’s funding, that’s only 3.42% of the USA’s GDP; America contributing such a large amount because America is a big economic country with a large population in relation to the other NATO members. 

                  Under the NATO agreement, each country should contribute 2% of their GDP; but in practice, while the USA contributes 3.42%, and the UK 2.13%; the other NATO members contribute an average of just 1.77%.

                  Interestingly the USA’s Military Budget in 2020 was $778 billion, while the UK’s budget on the NHS was $212 billion; which considering the UK population is just a 5th of the USA means that more money was spent on the NHS per capita in the UK than what was spent on the USA Military per capita.

                  Another interesting fact is that while the USA Defence is the largest employer in the world; employing 3.2 million people; the NHS is the 5th largest employer in the world, employing 1.7 million people.

                  While we are on defence; it may well only be a matter of time before the EU has its own army.  The EU made the proposal back in 2012 but it was vetoed by the UK; however now that the UK has left the EU, the French President resurrected the proposal for an EU army last year:  So who knows?

                  Yep, I know there is a welfare state in the USA, just as there is in any country; the question is, how desperate do you need to be to get Government benefits; and how generous are those benefits; e.g. why are so many Americans so dependent on food banks; and do Americans get their rent paid by the Government if they are on a low income; and do the Government provide housing for the homeless etc.  It’s not a question of whether assistance is there or not; it’s a question of what level of assistance is there and what safety nets are there to reduce the risk of Americans living in abject poverty.

                  Likewise, I like my Freedoms, and I can’t understand why Americans are so keen to be so dependent on pleasing their employers for all their needs (slave to the work); rather than the freedom to live and work in a balanced work/life environment.

                  As we both agree:  It’s a cultural thing; and I don’t think we will ever agree with each other on a lot of these points, or understand each other.  But the main thing is, we are both happy where we live; as it should be.

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Your area is small and ours is huge. This difference in size contributes to big differences in practical applications for government. The framers knew  a workable democratic republic would require that the size of the country be not too small and not too big. This concept is explained in The Federalist Papers.

                    Our freedom does not mean the same thing to you as to US.

            2. CHRIS57 profile image62
              CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Readmike, this old link that you provided is very helpful in analyzing the two sides of the Atlantic.

              It is about priorities - freedom vs fairness. So far so good.

              I would like to add my personal 2 cents to this philosphy game, my personal observations:

              Freedom: Yes, very important. But freedom to make right choices is always only benefitting the upper 5 to 10% of a population in any given country. It does not matter, the USA, Europe, the Scandinavian brand of Europe, China, Russia, Japan, you name it, in all countries with different economic and social systems. in all countries the upper 5..10% are washed up on top.

              I saw this in Germany after reunification, when the "right choicers" from former GDR immediately swam to the top in West Germany.

              So - isn´t it worth while to look at the other 90% plus of population? They need solidarity, call it fairness.

              Having said this, my freedom for "right choice" is with the European way. This also comes with a responsibility: Paying high taxes.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
                Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Those are not observations I would stick with.
                The Way I See It

    2. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      From tours of the USSR and China. The US is headed towards a communist like state. After greater abuse to come, the people will transform this idealism back to the power of the people.
      It's history repeating itself.

      How it will really transforms into and how it looks like, who knows.

    3. tsmog profile image80
      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What definition for communism are we using since there seems to be so many of them.

      This one is from Oxford Diictionary:
      "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

      Nope, Never going to happen!

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        This wokeness movement is attempting with neo-marxism like a political justice cult. Communist looks good on paper and words of emotion , yet not in reality.

        It all runs and clashes with corperatism exteme liberalism. Both are starting their own cannibalism for dictatorship.

        I step aside from idiotic wars. Perfer my own kingdom within. Then, Just give it, all away.

    4. Sharlee01 profile image77
      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      In my view, we have a segment of America's society that hopes to change the way we are governed, with the Government playing a much bigger part. Will, it happens?  I feel the Democrats are learning more about socialism.  One could say they have one foot in the door with Biden sitting in the White House... Will the Republicans make every effort to stop them?  in my view, oh yes.

      I think most American's would actully fight before letting America become a socialist country.  Most appreciate freedom, and would not take kindly to a Government that makes all the decisions.

      "free or not free"?   Free, even if it requires a fight. --  To many of us that enjoy a free America.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I agree, government can take care of the small stuff. Not our entire lives.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image77
          Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          It really is, and I can't imagine living in a country without it.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this


    5. crankalicious profile image90
      crankaliciousposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe in cloud cuckoo land it will happen.

  2. Kenna McHugh profile image91
    Kenna McHughposted 2 years ago

    A couple of facts: Karl Marx never worked a day in his life. The Germans infiltrated Lenin into Russia to start a war and take the country down.

    1. CHRIS57 profile image62
      CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently he (Karl Marx) lived his life without depending on welfare. If he was refused the professor in philospophy and economics, it is more for political reasons than for his personal skills.
      And as we are at "working for his life": His friend an cooauthor Friedrich Engels was an entrepreneur. He ran a clothing and textile business.

      Read "Das Kapital" and then start to understand what the  ideas of communism are about. If that is too many pages, just read the "Communist Manifest", a short abstract, which is divided into parts. The first part is a brilliant analysis of the economic development, the second is more political and more prone for controversal discussion.

      Anyways, what has all this to do with the USA and its future? Nothing, except that the economic analysis of the first part of the Communist Manifest is still valid. Just exchange world steel production (of 1850) with world artificial intelligence progress and you see how far sighted these guys were almost 200 years ago.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Individual liberty is the motivating force for prosperity across the land. Many little people working in freedom.
        That force and that force alone brings about a percolating economy and opportunity for all.
        Without individual liberty, and in it's place, the requirement of blind obedience to some system, there will be no fire in the engine.
        You want a dead engine?
        Put out the fire.
        Put out the fire of enthusiasm, motivation, ambition and JOY of LIFE.
        There: Dead! yikes!

        1. CHRIS57 profile image62
          CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Don´t let yourself get confused by looking at mismanaged and suppressing regimes and their socialist leaning leadership.

          For example China is prospering because their Communist party is NOT suppressing individual liberty to work and amass wealth. China´s communism is more confucianism and its philosophy of hierarchy is a two way road: People have to obey their leaders but also leaders have to take care of their people.

          With my decade long work experience with the Chinese: i seldom saw as much enthusiasm, ambition and joy as with the Chinese entrepreneurs.

          Where is liberty in the US if 80% of the people have paychecks that seldomly allow to meet ends. The liberty of making decisions is even more limited than in other countries because education, good education is not free of charge. "Many little people working" very hard to survive is no real sign of liberty, of freedom.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            If Americans were satisfied with what the typical Chinese entrepreneurs have I think you would find that 99% of able bodied American workers CAN "meet ends".

            The problem is not survival, it is greed for more than is earned.

            1. CHRIS57 profile image62
              CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I beg to object. This is about survival first and greed second. At least for a high percentage of the population.

              Survival means that people are possibly able to take care of themselves for the present time, but they cannot take care of their future. Survival is escaping immediate perils. Living and prospering is something else.
              It is not the paycheck for food or rent or a new TV set. It is about health insurance, pension funds, building up personal wealth. Too many can only dream of this.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, 3 out the top 4 countries are from Asian countries who have the highest life expectancy and China is just a bit lower than ours.

  3. wilderness profile image94
    wildernessposted 2 years ago

    Although it may be nothing but word games, a better term might be Marxism (to each according to their needs, from each according to their ability).  And yes, the US is headed there, just as most of the free world is. 

    Rather sad as it has been proven to fail wherever it has been tried.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      why does it fail?

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Yes, freedom within boundaries since boundaries provide freedom.
    In a democratic republic such as ours, moral laws and The Golden Rule are the boundaries we rely upon in legislating the land. However, when corruption takes place, these precepts go out the window. What ensues instead?

    Greed (for boundless wealth.) Power (in the wrong hands.) Tyranny (over the people.)

    The difficulty is when the people stop being the purpose of government, and the government starts being the purpose of government. When such a deviation occurs, the government decides to fund itself on the backs of the people. And in this case, We The People becomes The Government Money Tree.

    Is this okay with the Millennials? After all, they seem be the ones who do not understand the threat of government tyranny ... as they have been led to believe that the government can and should be mother/father of all.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      What LIES they have been told.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Governments make lousy parents, a great lack of love there.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Many are convinced otherwise. Why don't you believe it?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Government is the greatest scams in human history. Wouldn't trust them with my child. They would turn out to be a zombies or robots.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    ...without TRUTH in the predominant media outlets, which includes the internet, TV, newspaper and our educational institutions, freedom will cease to exist.
    We have to insure that the truth is protected, revealed, exposed, disseminated ...

    And allowed to be believed!

    Forget cancel culture!

    Forget it !!!!

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    - also can you explain more about your comment:

    "This wokeness movement is attempting with neo-marxism like a political justice cult."

    What is the wokeness movement?
    What is Neo Marxism based on?
    How is it like a political-justice cult?
    What is a political-justice cult?

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    I think the greatest thing to fear comes down to way-high taxation on a wide-scale level.
    If the taxes become so burdensome and the people become so desperate, they can fight back with one simple action:
    They can revolt against government overreach by ceasing to pay taxes. It would have to done in absolute, one hundred percent unity. (I'm talking about democrats and republicans and independents and progressives and  e v e r y o n e  ...)

    Can the feds throw the whole country in jail for not paying their taxes?
    Well, can they?
    LOL! lol lol lol

    1. Nathanville profile image92
      Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, Margaret Thatcher (UK Conservative Prime Minister in the 1980s) made that mistake; which forced her to resign as Prime Minister e.g. she tried to reintroduce the poll tax. 

      The first attempt to introduce the poll tax in England in 1381 led to the ‘peasant’s revolt’; a rebellion by the people, that led to the demise of the poll tax.

      Margaret Thatcher’s attempt to reintroduce the poll tax in 1990 led to the ‘poll tax’ riots, and mass civil disobedience which led Margaret Thatcher to resigning as Prime Minister and the unpopular poll tax being revoked.

      BBC NEWS – UK Poll Tax Riots 31st March 1990:

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    I cannot fight you. I cannot. Believe whatever the heck you want.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The boundaries which the US Constitution sets forth have been whittled away and are not being valued or followed. This lack of appropriate boundaries and guidelines are the reason prosperity is so hard to come by. For instance, the government overreach of taxing, fee collecting and over-regulating individuals, businesses and manufacturing/building companies has increased over the last fifty years. This "slow-heating of frogs in a pan of water," can be considered taxation without representation. (By the time the water is boiling, and we realize how much we are loosing by contributing to the government money-tree, we frogs will be unable to jump out of the pan.)

      We need to adhere to the Constitution of the United States, rather than  implement socialistic and communistic remedies, thereby throwing the baby out with the bath water.

      1. Nathanville profile image92
        Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I seem to get the distinctive impression that Americans equate ‘low taxes’ with ‘freedom’!

        Americans seem to think that you can only have freedom with Laissez-faire Governments?

        From a European perspective; the kind of Freedom Americans seem to want is the ‘freedom’ to say what you like, even if it harms others; the freedom to own guns, and kill each other; and the freedom to choose how much healthcare you can afford, even if it puts you into debt.

        In the UK even our Conservative (right-wing/Capitalist) Governments are not Laissez-faire:-

        •    In the UK businesses and Industry are heavily 'Regulated' by the Government.

        •    In the UK we do have ‘freedom of speech’, provided it doesn't harm others or incite violence to harm others e.g. hate speech & hate crime, which is criminal offences in the UK.

        •    In the UK gun and knife ownership is illegal, and to use excessive force to defend yourself is a criminal act.

        •    In the UK healthcare is ‘free’ to all at the point of use e.g. the NHS (National Health Service).

        I get it that Americans are worried that the more they are taxed, the less they have to spend; but what does it matter if education for ‘all’ up to the age of 18 is free; what does it matter if all your healthcare is ‘free’; what does it matter if you have an integrated public transport system; and what does it matter if you have a welfare system to fall back on if you fall on hard times.

        Whether Brits pay more taxes or not is hard to compare because the USA taxes and tax system are so radically different to the UK that direct comparisons can’t be made.   However, the important thing, in my view, isn’t how much tax you pay, but whether you have enough disposable income to buy non-essential goods, luxury items e.g. TV’s, Smart Phones etc., and can afford descent holidays (vacations). 

        The answer to that in the UK is that most Brits not only buy their luxury items but, with a minimum of six weeks paid leave (vacation) for all workers (by law); many Brits have up to two or three holidays (vacations) a year.  As far as I can see, we have as much ‘freedom’ in a ‘Socialist’ leaning country as Americans have with a laissez-faire Government; yet in Britain, a lot more security because our Governments are far more willing to intervene, and be interactive, as appropriate/necessary in business, economic, environmental and social life etc.

        So which freedoms ‘of importance’ doesn’t a country with strong ‘Socialist’ leanings (like the UK have) that the USA enjoys?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          One really doesn't need a country at all to maximize their freedom.
          Between me living in Belize and Canada. Plus with world travelling that the covid killed for me and my daughter.

          Our entrepreneurs system we creates. We are our own owners of our own domain of free trade and self government systems. I've talken off work as much as 11 months at one time. Since loving my work for most waking hours of life, I'll be doing it til the day I die.

          UK and US once had the greatest freedom, not today with too many scams.

          1. Nathanville profile image92
            Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Be specific Castlepaloma, what scams do you think impairs the freedom in the UK; or is this another one of your bland statements without evidence?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image74
              Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              I have been to UK a few places and times. It's generally tighter and less free than it is in Canada from my experience.
     … es-report/

              It changes from year to year yet Canada has been freer than UK and US every year.

              With Covid the world  is less free than any other time in my lifetime.

              1. tsmog profile image80
                tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Much Thanks for the link to the Best Countries report by U.S. News & World Report, Wharton School, and BAV group. Very interesting and enlightening.

                World Population Review has their 2021 report out too titled Best Countries to Live In 2021. They offer a different list, though some appear on both lists like Switzerland and Sweden. There are differences in how they determine their results.

              2. Nathanville profile image92
                Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Castlepaloma, your link is just ‘one’ opinion; the link that tsmog provides doesn’t even list Canada in the 10 countries.

                Besides, you still haven’t justified your accusation that scams impair the freedoms in the UK; and the link you provided doesn’t cover that point either. 

                So what in your opinion are the ‘scams’ that you claim impairs the freedoms in the UK?   You haven’t listed any yet; all you’ve done so is make baseless claims against the USA & UK, without backing up those claims with any evidence.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                  Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  There is no printed evidence just printed money cover up. Because secrets society use mass hypnosis and multi media by sponsorships or lobbyists .

                  My other post ask people what are the top 5 scams in the last century. Most related to the Governments. What they don't know is the Bankster are the leading scams. They puppets the Government and the planedemic.
                  I not ready to say who they are, They could force me to hide away in the woods. Wail the crap hits the fan in the apocalypse.

                  1. Nathanville profile image92
                    Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    In other words Castlepaloma you’re just scamming us with false claims, no proof or evidence to back it up; and you’re not even capable of listing the scams you claim impairs the freedoms in the UK, I assume because there is no substance to your false claim.

                    It’s no good just say most people related the 5 top scams to Governments; or that Banks are the worst scammers; give some specific examples that can be disputed or debated.

                    You’re last sentence shows that you’re either paranoid (too much drugs), or it’s a feeble excuse to avoid answering simple questions?

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          "So which freedoms ‘of importance’  d o e s n ’ t  a country with strong ‘Socialist’ leanings like the UK have
          that the USA has?"

          which freedoms DOES Britain NOT have that the US DOES have?

          What is our advantage?
          What is their advantage?

          Here is another question: What if we had never broken away from Britain and were under their jurisdiction to this day?

          Would Americans be speaking with a British accent? (Lol! lol)

          1. Castlepaloma profile image74
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I think the english accent is nicer than the American nasal problem sounding accent.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Prince Harry said American freedom of speech is "Bonkers."
              (I love the way he talks.) and maybe he has a valid point ... But, no... Americans did not take kindly to his comment ...
              at all.

          2. Nathanville profile image92
            Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Your question:  Would Americans be speaking with a British accent if the USA was still part of the British Empire?

            What is the British Accent; less than 3% of the British population speak like Prince Harry (Received Pronunciation aka the ‘Queens English’, aka BBC English).

            The two most common English dialects in London these days are:-

            •    Estuary English (wealthier West End London), and
            •    MLE (Multicultural London English) (working class East End London).

            Also, the Scots, Irish, Welsh and Cornish (all Celtic Nations), all have their own Celtic languages; with Welsh being the prime language in Wales.

            And being from Bristol I speak the Bristolian accent & dialect, as in this classic Bristolian song below:-

            •    Adge cutler & The wurzels “Thee's Got'n Where Thee Cassn't Back'n, Hassn't”:

            “Thee's Got'n Where Thee Cassn't Back'n, Hassn't” is Bristolian for “You’ve got it stuck where you can’t back it out, haven’t you?”

            FYI: there are over 30 distinctive British accents and dialects in just England alone; but in England we all call trousers, “trouser” and not “pants”, and we call “petrol”, “petrol” and not “gas”.  And most definitely we call “chips”, “chips” and not “fries”;  just as we call “crisps”, “crisps” and not “chips”; and “flats”, “flats” and not “apartments”; and “lifts”, “lifts” and not “elevators”; and “holidays”, “holidays” and not “vacations” etc., etc., etc.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this
      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        It seems anarchist fit better with soft right or left side of politics. Because anarchist belief is no one is above me or no one is below me. As opposed to both of the extremes political sides.

        Also find a soft religious person would be more of anarchist then an atheists extreme would be. Maybe because Jesus was more of an anarchist himself.
        I prefer the Independent individual anarchist who is always open to spiritual sidedness. Then less into nationalism like what we have been experiencing the last 10 years.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    The answer has to do with the whittling away of our freedoms by the government and the people connected to it.

    How are we more free than Britain?
    and is this freedom just as good as Britain's?

    - for one thing, Britain would have gone broke trying to build this nation ...
    If Americans had sat obediently back.
    ... which is really h i l a r l o u s! (understatement)
    lol lol lol
    I crack myself up.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image74
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      World monopolies got to stop playing us for pawns.

      Superman is more realistic than Batman. Who can believe that a billionaires would really help the people.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    The answer has to do with the whittling away of our freedoms by the government and the people (elected leaders) connected to it.

    How are we more free than Britain?
    and is this freedom just as good as Britain's?

    - for one thing, Britain would have gone broke trying to build this nation ...
    If Americans had sat obediently back.

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    It must be human nature to take the easy way out
    ... and fall for scams.

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    ... after a certain point.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago


  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    The key concept to understand is Independence. There are people in America who do not understand this word! This explanation isolates the difficulty we are having politically, on a local level, national level and international level.
    It comes down to world wide ignorance!

  15. LongTimeMother profile image92
    LongTimeMotherposted 2 years ago

    I doubt the US is headed towards communism. I do, however, believe it is headed towards self-destruction.

    There is so much hate by Americans towards other Americans. They use the same words like ‘lies’ and ‘fake news’ to criticise each other, but can’t agree on what is ‘truth’.

    So many choose to define themselves (and each other) as Republicans or Democrats, losing sight of the fact they are all Americans.

    Hard to believe there is any argument about what occurred at the Capitol, given they all have access to the same footage of violence. Hard to believe any consider Biden to be inarticulate and demented given they all get the chance to see him in action. And simply inconceivable any American can try to argue that the US is a wonderful place to live.

    All this talk about freedom seems insincere given that so many Americans live with fear. The list of things they are afraid of is long ... and growing. Sadly, it looks like their fears will continue to turn them against each other.

    And, yes, because they have the freedom to own guns and use them, I suspect the US will self-destruct. The ‘freedoms’ they claim they value and are fighting for may well result in their undoing.

    1. tsmog profile image80
      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well said!

      1. LongTimeMother profile image92
        LongTimeMotherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I feel for you. I’ve spent a lot of time in the US in the past, but I doubt I’ll ever visit again. Any appeal the US once held is gone now. Sadly.

  16. CHRIS57 profile image62
    CHRIS57posted 2 years ago

    Mike - steel production has a lot to do with communism ... at least if you read the Communist Manifest by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. The authors used the steel production of the 1850ties to determine the industrialization and development of countries.

    Today´s world is more robotics, AI, www, smartphones, renewable energy...

    Anyways your reference to steel production made me look into this from an energy and pollution perspective. How is it possible that the US has a CO2 footprint almost twice as big as other countries whose steel production (being also a measure of making stuff)  is much larger (double)  in relative terms. Answer: Simple waste of energy, not efficient use of energy, no matter with or without CO2.

    And at the end of the day this waste of energy made the US loose its competitive edge. Even in the USA energy is not for free commercially, not only in the minds of green thinkers.

    So all this mess must be sombody´s fault. So blame liberals, socialists , communists..

    Well, it is actually the other way around. First was loss of competivity, then was the explanation: we don´t need to be competitive, we just buy stuff cheaper somewhere else on our planet. Then .. people gradually lost their jobs, the economy shifted to service oriented with low payed jobs. And now the people sticking their finger into this problem are called names.

    The USA is not communist. But communist, socialist countries were a synonym for poor management, backward and incompetitive systems for a long period of time (cold war).  Today the USA shows signs of poor management, incompetitive industry. This is only some distant resemblance to cold war socialist systems, nothing more.

    1. Readmikenow profile image94
      Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I can tell you that people in the US steel industry will let you know international competition is stifled by American companies because other countries provide significant subsidies to their steel industries.  This makes it possible for the other countries to sell their steel at a lower cost than the United States.  Under President Donald Trump, subsidies were being given the the US Steel industry.  Old plants were opening up. Biden ended the program, so now the US steel industry is back to where is was before President Donald Trump was elected.

      1. CHRIS57 profile image62
        CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Subsidies are never really good, because they distort the picture.

        However subsidies are used for 2 reasons by politics.
        1. Promote new and innovative industries (like in Europe with the renewables)
        2. Protect old industries to keep jobs.

        As you wrote: "old plants..." this belongs to no. 2 category and is kind of backward, not really helping strategically.

        Besides, any country can only provide stimuli or subsidies, as long as that particular country can afford it. Eventually countries simply run out of money to pay for subsidies. If they have sovereign currency (like the USA or UK), the countries can disguise the true nature of lack of competitivity for a certain period of time, but eventually all is uncovered. Current situation of the US goes back to the Nixon presidency and the costly end of the Vietnam war. That is when the mess started.

        And has little to do with the Steel industry. That is only a symptom, one of many industries that encounter the same problem.

        I lived in Michigan in the 70ties. Most of the family was working in a GM carburator plant. That plant doesn´t exist any more. No subsidies would have prevented that fuel injection was "more competitive".  And now we shall see if e-mobility doesn´t force "fuel injection" out of business.

        1. Nathanville profile image92
          Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Interesting points Chris, and interestingly the UK subsidies are split as follows:-

          •    £10.5 billion ($14.65 billion) UK subsidies to fossil fuels, and
          •    £12 billion ($16.75 billion) UK subsidies to Renewable Energy.

  17. MG Singh profile image81
    MG Singhposted 2 years ago

    I do not see how the United States can ever embrace communism. Communism thrives and bullies people and that is something not possible in America because there are so many private armies and almost 300,000,000 rifles floating around. I don't see how you can enforce any form of communism here. Communism means a regimented society and that is something no American will accept. So talking of the US heading towards communism is like saying can we drive to the moon.

    1. Readmikenow profile image94
      Readmikenowposted 2 years agoin reply to this


      You are absolutely correct.

      Latest statistics show that over 40 percent of Americans own firearms of some kind.  That is only the LEGALLY registered guns.  You can increase that number significantly if you add all the illegal guns in circulation.

      I appreciate your observation.


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