Rep Bob Gibbs Asks GOP Colleagues To Consider Impeaching Biden

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   Sharlee01posted 3 years ago

   
   Is It Already Time For Joe To Go?
   Ohio congressman  Rep. Bob Gibbs on Friday, Aug 6,  asked his GOP House colleagues to consider filing articles of impeachment against President Biden for an "unconstitutional" order to extend the eviction moratorium and for his "dereliction" of duty in securing the southern border. Gibbs cites Biden is caving into progressive left pressure this week to EXTEND a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) eviction moratorium.  Biden even acknowledged "it likely won't pass constitutional muster". The White House previously warned its hands were tied by a recent Supreme Court opinion and couldn't extend the protections for renters unilaterally.  But, Biden reversed course days after the federal block on evictions expired on July 31, the Biden's administration issued a new order on Tuesday temporarily extending the moratorium for 60 days.  The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued the order.
   
   It’s a risky move. Although the Supreme Court rejected a request to halt the previous version of the eviction moratorium last June, four justices voted to grant this request immediately. And a fifth, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, indicated that he would strike down any attempt to extend the moratorium past July 31, unless CONGRESS passed new legislation permitting such a moratorium.
   
   Separately, Gibbs says Biden failed to uphold his constitutional duties by not securing the southern border and "worsening" the coronavirus pandemic by letting COVID-positive migrants into the country.
   
   "The President is derelict in his duty, having repeatedly said he lacks the authority to extend the CDC’s eviction moratorium, then extending it anyway," Gibbs said in a statement. "His actions on the border represent negligence in keeping America secure.  We need to cut this off at the pass now and show we will not stand for clearly unconstitutional actions."   Rep. Bob Gibbs
   
   The Supreme Court g previously showed the Biden Administration some slack due to the pandemic and unprecedented circumstances but said: "any extension will most certainly be frowned on.   Even Biden admitted that very sentiment but basically, he went ahead with the order anyway,  more or less giving the Supreme Court "the bird".  He is blatantly thumbing his nose at the Constitution.
   
   In my view, when a President of the US and the head of a major Political Party OPENLY defies the Supreme Court,  and as such dismisses the Constitution, you have the very definition of the end of our Constitutional Republic.
   
   In  America, we have personal individual property rights. The president nor the CDC has the right to suspend those rights by law. Biden was warned by the highest court in the land... We also have immigration laws, laws that are not being enforced by the current administration.   
   
   So, Does Rep. Gibbs have a point, is it time to impeach Biden for his inability to govern by our laws?

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      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Rep. Gibbs can try but he must have the vote of the majority in the House of Representatives.  The House of Representatives have the sole power of impeachment, the Senate has the power to try all impeachments. The majority of the House of Representatives are Democrats which will make it onerous for Rep. Gibbs to initiate an impeachment.   However, the majority of the Senate is Republican.  Rep. Gibbs have an uphill battle to initiate impeachment procedures against Biden. The Democrats will try to block Rep. Gibbs because Biden is their boy so to speak.  The Democratic Party doesn't play fair.  Although Biden has a poor record, the Democratic Party will defend him to the death it seems.

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         gw, ---   I agree with you the Congress at this point won't even consider impeaching Biden. The numbers are not there to push through an impeachment.  It would appear Rep. Gibbs is putting all this out there to point out his opinion of Biden's job performance. Making sure his allegations reach the public via media.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I wouldn't be so sure; the numbers were never there to punish Trump either, although they were there for impeachment.  Both the impeachments of Trump and the proposed one for Biden were/are nothing but political posturing and grandstanding - the Democrats showed how to do it and the Republicans are following along.
            
            It would not surprise me to see Republicans mount a major push for impeachment, on the grounds that the President isn't doing what they think he should.

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               Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I think a push is warranted, and I do think we will see several GOP pushes to impeach Biden. They were schooled well by the Dems.    But would the numbers be there?  The Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power to impeach an official. Do you think Pelosi would even introduce to impeach Biden?

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   Valeantposted 3 years ago

   'In my view, when a President of the US and the head of a major Political Party OPENLY defies the Supreme Court,  and as such dismisses the Constitution, you have the very definition of the end of our Constitutional Republic.'
   
   No defiance, the ruling left the moratorium in place.  Perhaps Kavanaugh would rule the same way based on the rise in cases due to the Delta variant.  He will likely get that chance.  But since it was left in place, it was deemed legal at the time.
   
   As for the border, I've laid out the 'crisis' in simple terms in another thread as such:
   
   In May 2019, 144,000 immigrants were apprehended at the border with 7% being repeat crossers, for 133,000 people trying to cross the border.
   
   In May 2021, 180,000 immigrants were apprehended at the border, but with 38% being repeat crossers.  That equates to just 111,000 immigrants trying to cross, a whopping 69,000 trying a second time after initial deportation under Title 42, Trump's Covid health policy.
   
   If ever there was a fabricated crisis, it is this one.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If 180,000 aliens entered the country illegally, then 180,000 aliens entered the country illegally.  That it was the second time (or the third or the twentieth) for 69,000 of them does not mean that there were fewer than 180,000 entering.
      
      And 180,000 foreign citizens entering our country illegally and in violation of our laws, in just a single month, certainly is a crisis.  Not fabricated, for it happened 180,000 times in a single month - I believe the highest number in history, even though that number is only the ones caught, with an unknown number being successful in breaking our laws.

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         Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         There you go with your own math again.  It's still just 111,000 foreign citizens, but 180,000 attempts because Trump's policy shields them from prosecution for their law breaking so they are emboldened to try over and over again until they succeed.  The 110,000 is definitely less than the 133,000 that were trying two years ago.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            OK - we're nitpicking here.  I accept that 111,000 people were caught trying to enter illegally, in 180,000 attempts.
            
            But the 133,000, in one month, two years ago; how many of those were repeat offenders?  Was it even recorded and reported?  Has the percentage risen, and how do we know that?  One answer is at https://www.immigrationreform.com/2021/ … eform-com/
            
            "The data also show that 34 percent of last month’s encounters had at least one prior encounter in the past 12 months, more than doubling the average one-year recounter rate of 14 percent between FY’s 2014-2019. Judging by the recidivism rate for unlawful entry into the United States, President Biden’s immigration policies are encouraging more illegal aliens to make multiple illegal entries into the country."
            
            Interesting that they are laying the blame for recidivism on Biden, not Trump.  Perhaps the knowledge that if they can just get by the border patrol they don't have to worry about being deported is a big driving force?  Or is Biden's promise to legalize all that are here this summer the bigger draw?  Or even the free medical care for COVID Biden gives them?

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               Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Two years ago, in the same month, it was 133,000 people, with 144,000 attempts.  7% repeat rate.  38% now with the new policy that just deports them.
               
               We know that because they track it and report on it.
               
               https://www.cato.org/blog/border-looks- … t-crossers

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         Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         First, 180,000 is what they recorded.  I'm quite certain there were a few (or many) thousands they did not catch or record.
         
         Second, I'm still fuming about the audacity with which they had a love fest with the UAW and Legacy Auto Companies over a nonsensical and worthless EV agenda.
         
         It was a slap in the face to EV and renewable energy development.  What used to be called Detroit’s big three and the UAW do not have any interest in speeding up the transition to new technology and clean energy.
         
         Third, Biden handed the Pentagon a $715 billion budget, talk about schlepping for the Military Industrial Complex.  Of course more than that will be approved by the Senate, and then Biden.
         
         Biden and Pelosi together have more than 75 years in DC.  They are the reasons why we are facing all the issues we face today, they have been the ones steering (sinking) the ship.
         
         Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.  Today we have a elitist political class that are exempt from the laws and exempt from accountability to the people they govern.
         
         If you judge Biden and the Democrats by their actions and NOT their words, you will see this, so long as you look for the facts and don't swallow the BS being peddled by the MSM.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The Supreme Court previously (keyword previously) showed the Biden Administration some slack due to the pandemic and unprecedented circumstances but said:  "any extension will most certainly be frowned on.   Even Biden admitted that very sentiment but basically, he went ahead with the order anyway,  more or less giving the Supreme Court "the bird".  He is blatantly thumbing his nose at the Constitution.
      
      In my view, when a President of the US and the head of a major Political Party OPENLY defies the Supreme Court,  and as such dismisses the Constitution, you have the very definition of the end of our Constitutional Republic.
      
      As I stated Biden was warned ---   " Although the Supreme Court rejected a request to halt the previous version of the eviction moratorium last June, four justices voted to grant this request immediately. And a fifth, Justice Brett Kavanaugh, indicated that he WOUKD STRIKE DOWN any attempt to extend the moratorium PAST July 31, unless CONGRESS passed new legislation permitting such a moratorium."
      
      In my view, Biden defied the Supreme Court. Was he not warned by Kavanaugh? Did he not go ahead and extend this memorandum on his own without Supreme Court approval? Certainly, the court might have extended the memorandum, but they did not thus far.
      
      In regard to the border crisis, we have had over one million apprehensions at the border since Biden took office. Yesterday 800 unaccompanied children were picked up. There is a rise in the number of migrants that are being diagnosed with COVID. Biden administration is using catch and release. These people are being released to travel anywhere they wish, much of the time we pay for the transportation.   The crisis is growing daily.
      
      https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/thousands … as-border/

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         Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Biden has every right to make policy decisions.  Biden does not have to 'clear his policy' with the courts.  The courts have a right to make rulings on those decisions when citizens bring them before the court. 
         
         The previous ruling was that it was legal.  Kavanaugh stated his position, now he will get the chance to rule on it.  A stated position is not a ruling.
         Biden is basically buying time until that ruling happens and thinking that with the change in circumstance due to the Delta variant, there is new information for the justices to consider. 
         
         Trump uses the courts in regards to his taxes.  He likely knows that Congress has the right to view his taxes, but he goes to the courts to delay something he knows they have a legal right to under the law.
         
         Presidents use the courts for politics.  Claiming this is an end to the Constitutional Republic for doing much the same thing as other presidents have done seems a bit exaggerated to me.

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            It very much appears that it is unclear whether Bide had the authority in this case to extend the memorandum. I am sticking with he did not. We now will have a wait-and-see period.  This article offers a clear picture of what occurred.
            
            https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/politics … index.html

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               Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The article is a pretty good summary of the situation.  It definitely mentions my point that perhaps this is just a delaying tactic to a foregone conclusion, one aimed at keeping people housed as Delta surges.  A tactic I have already displayed as being used by other presidents. 
               
               You're probably right, it will likely end with a ruling against him, but it might have bought him some brownie points with the progressives in his own party.  Something important to preserve unity heading into the 2022 midterms.

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I do not have any problem with the need to continue to eviction moratorium on a "need to basis",  that looks at each case as an individual case of a clear need to be exempt from eviction for a given amount of time. The country is in crisis, and this kind of problem of mass evictions has never been faced in a very long time. So, I don't find it unusual to make such a moratorium.
                  
                  I was most concerned with the lack of respect for the Supreme Court warning, and this being "most likely unconstitutional. Perhaps Congress could have done a better job in handling this problem. They ignored it and put the entire administration in jeopardy of finding it necessary to do something that they were warned not to do.  This is poor governing on their part.
                  
                  It looks political at a time when political ploys should be perhaps put aside for the good of the American people. It bodes well for Biden in the eyes of some that he would skirt the law of the land...  I could backfire due to many citizens don't appreciate political stunts that skirt the constitution.
                  
                  Again a real act that divides our citizens.  It would appear that the Dems feel divide and conquer will work to keep them in power.  Very slippery slope IMO. 
                  
                  I agree the move brought Biden brownie points with the left of the party, and I would think with a segment of the population.  But will it work to bring votes in 2022?  I think we have a long road to travel, and 2022 is a long way off, lots can happen --- people have short memories, and look at what's before them in real-time.  In my view, the spending will catch up with this bunch in about a year bringing on the problems of big-time inflation.  Hey, just my thoughts today, as I said things change, actually daily... So who knows. SC does not resume session until Oct.  The moratorium is effective through October 3, 2021.  This looks so planned and politically does it not?  Biden will receive at best a "slap on the hand".
                  
                  https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/politics … index.html
                  
                  https://www.cato.org/blog/cdcs-eviction … titutional
                  
                  In regards to Trump's taxes and does, congress has the right to see them. --- Trump has a constitutional right to keep his taxes private. Congress can request to see them by producing a legitimate request and need. Congress has requested his tax returns with a stated objective of assessing how the IRS audits presidents’ tax returns. Trump is trying to stop his tax returns from being released to Democrats in Congress. The DOJ finds the Congresses claim suitable.
                  
                  In a motion filed in federal court in early August Trump's lawyers claim the Democratic-led House Ways and Means Committee's requests are not "valid oversight requests." He called it a political stunt.  New York came up very little after having a long look at Trump's taxes. Nothing in his personal taxes and his company was accused of helping its executives evade taxes on compensation by hiding luxury perks and bonuses. Some have been indited on not paying taxes on perks. This leaves the liability of tax evasion on them, not the Trump organization. Thus far anyway.
                  
                  https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyre … ation.html
                  
                  Under federal law, the tax-related committees of Congress have a “broad right” to obtain taxpayer information from the Treasury Department. Trump has stepped up to fight it.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  It isn't about "keeping people housed as Delta surges."
                  
                  It's a political move similar to executive power grabs by his immediate predecessors. That doesn’t make right, in fact, it means that executive lawlessness is becoming an ingrained part of our system.  A bad thing.
                  
                  Trump initially issued an eviction moratorium, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention followed up with its own moratorium and extensions, even while suffering setbacks in the courts.
                  
                  There was never any warrant for any of this. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit wrote that the legal theory the government advanced would “grant the CDC director near-dictatorial power.”
                  
                  The CDC is there reason for concern?
                  
                  https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/20 … tter-1.pdf
                  
                  The FDA is there reason for concern?
                  
                  https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontlin … ndent.html
                  
                  Can we trust our Politicians to not abuse the power of a "pandemic"?
                  
                  https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/23 … -pandemic/
                  
                  "About half of all housing providers are mom-and-pop operators," National Association of Realtors President Charlie Oppler said. "Without rental income, they cannot pay their own bills or maintain their properties."
                  
                  The truth is more likely that this extension will cost more people to lose their homes and fall into dire economic ruin. The REITs will recover and thrive, the Banks will recoup their properties, it is the small Mom & Pop owners, those that might rely on the rental properties for retirement, those that may have built a small business to support themselves with rental properties that will be devastated economically and lose everything.
                  
                  Many of those property owners will then be facing eviction and economic ruin, along with those who didn't pay rent for over a year and have no plans on ever making amends.

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                     Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     When the bill comes due --- many will not in any respect be able to pay it. This eviction moratorium has some very fine print that should concern anyone that agrees to take Biden up on his offer.  Sort of the buck stops here --- and it stops cold on Oct 3, and one is exspected to pay the band...
                     
                     "This moratorium does not forgive rent owed. Even if you are protected by this moratorium, your declaration says that you will make best efforts to pay as much rent as you can afford during the moratorium period (while still being able to pay for necessities like food, medicine, and transportation). When the moratorium ends on October 3, 2021, you will have to pay all unpaid rent due at that time, or you could face eviction again. Keep that in mind both your short-term and your long-term housing needs as you decide how much rent you can pay during this time."
                     
                     Source CDC Eviction Moratorium: Information and Forms for Tenants   https://michiganlegalhelp.org/self-help … ms-tenants   
                     
                     This rule could really end up with many being evicted after Oct 3, 2021, if they can't pay what's owed.
                     
                     So, in the end, was this favor really a favor or a political ploy to give Biden brownie points with his left-wing congress Reps? And in the end, leaving Americans losing in the end due to a cheap political ploy.

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                        Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        I am not sure the point I was trying to make is clear, so I'll try to articulate it better.
                        
                        I am not focusing on the people not paying their rent, they are not the victims here, they are the ones getting a free pass.
                        
                        The ones who will be put into financial ruin because of this Moratorium are MIDDLE CLASS Mom & Pop owners.
                        
                        The majority of rental properties are not owned by big corporations, but small time investors.  Some are retirees and rent out an old home, some bought a few homes during their years and now use that rental income to survive on, etc. etc.
                        
                        So what is occurring is those people, the Mom & Pops, the retirees and small business owners that use rental properties for an income, are going to be the ones in financial ruins when this is over.
                        
                        I will give you an example of someone I know.  An older person who owns 9 rental properties which provide him his "retirement".  Only 4 of those 9 renters paid every month during the past 16 months.  3 more of those 9 made SOME payments, not all.  2 of the 9 have paid nothing, they have completely trashed the properties and totally abused this 'moratorium'.
                        
                        When this was supposed to end, he was ready to evict those 2, give notice to the other 3 to pay in full their past due amounts or face eviction in 30 days, and he knew that he had to put at least 4 of those properties up for immediate sale due to the inability to pay his bills and repair the two properties that are now in need of complete remodeling/repair.
                        
                        One of the properties in need of repair has roof damage, the occupants refuse to allow anyone on the premises to work on it, but they complained that they can see black mold growing on the ceiling and walls where water has penetrated and they sent him pictures threatening to sue him for renting them a property that is supposedly making them sick.
                        
                        This is the insanity the unfortunate owner has to deal with, his house is in total ruins, the occupants won't allow him or anyone on the property to assess the damage, and they are telling him they are going to sue him because they are living in a house that has become a petri-dish for mold.
                        
                        Take that problem and multiply it by probably hundreds of thousands... it is the Middle Class Mom & Pop owners that are going to be devastated by this, the renters get a free pass, they'll never pay that back rent, and they'll never be held accountable for it... not in this sad excuse of a "Law Abiding" Country that we live in today.

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                           Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           If you own 9 rental properties, you're not MIDDLE CLASS. 
                           
                           I have a friend who has encountered similar abuse to his properties from renters during this moratorium.  I hope he is able to take them to court and garnish future wages for the damage that has been done.

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                              wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              "If you own 9 rental properties, you're not MIDDLE CLASS. "
                              
                              Why not?  Middle class people aren't smart enough to get a loan to buy a rental property?  Or are you assuming that owners of rental properties do not have a mortgage on them and therefore have assets enough to take them out of "middle class", at least by your definition?

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                                 Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Either they have the assets or the the collateral necessary to afford nine different loans.

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                                    Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    If you accumulate over many decades a few properties, or over a few years invest your hard earned lifetime savings into buying some rental properties, or work hard to rehab run down and unwanted properties as a young person so that you have that income coming in...
                                    
                                    However someone manages it, they are still 'Middle Class'... and now many of these people will find themselves in worse financial straits than the people who are not paying them the rent they are due.
                                    
                                    This is when you will see the REITs and Banks, and those who are truly wealthy swoop in and buy these properties at a discount.
                                    
                                    This will make the rich even richer, while putting more of the Middle Class into the poor/destitute class.
                                    
                                    That is what the Moratorium has accomplished/done to most likely hundreds of thousands of property owners across the country, perhaps more, we will see in the months and years ahead.

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                                    wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                    The only collateral I offered for my own mortgage was the house itself.  Are landlords required to give more collateral, or is the building itself the only thing necessary?

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                                       Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                       Perhaps you forgot about the part where they asked you financial questions before giving you that loan.

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                                          Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                          Read this in regards to the never ending CDC Moratorium:
                                          
                                          The Supreme Court has ruled that the CDC has “exceeded its existing statutory authority,” and Joe Biden, who ordered it to continue doing so, knows that full well.
                                          
                                          Per Gene Sperling, who works for Biden, the president “not only kicked the tires,” but “double, triple, quadruple checked” whether the order was legitimate, and on each of those four occasions he discovered that it was not — even for a more “targeted eviction moratorium,” for which the White House was “unable to find the legal authority.”
                                          
                                          On TV last night, Biden confirmed this before the country when he affirmed that “the bulk of the constitutional scholars” he’d spoken to had told him that the order wouldn’t “pass constitutional muster,” but that he was doing it anyway to buy some time.
                                          
                                          The Supreme Court has ruled that the CDC does not enjoy the power to superintend this area until Congress accords the CDC the power to superintend this area, which it has not done. Congress, aware of this, has declined to accord the CDC the power to superintend this area. The president, aware of both decisions, has asked the CDC to issue an order that has precisely the same statutory shortcoming as the first one, and is therefore void. As such, there is no law in this space.
                                          
                                          Having been told by both the president and the Supreme Court that the new moratorium is illegal, Americans have no choice but to ignore it entirely.
                                          
                                          I hope they do, wherever they can, however they can.

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                                             Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                             And I hope you don't selectively edit things to change what was said.  Like leaving out:
                                             
                                             But again, the President’s focus is for us to do everything within our power — or, I should say, everything within anyone’s power — to help prevent unnecessary, avoidable, and painful evictions.
                                             
                                             And this....
                                             
                                             On the state and local relief, as you know, there was $25 billion in initial Emergency Rental Assistance.  Again, this is the rental assistance that goes — can make landlords completely whole and also keep families safely housed.  It is a win-win solution.
                                             
                                             Unfortunately, on January 19th, the Trump administration left by putting in place a completely unworkable, high-documented — high documentation guidelines that would have never worked.  So, immediately, Treasury cleared up those guidelines and got the remaining funds out.
                                             
                                             With these reforms, we have seen many states and localities start to succeed, from Louisville to Houston, Harris County, to Virginia — to the state of Virginia.  Many places are succeeding.  We did see, in June, the numbers doubled to $1.5 billion in assistance that went out the door to renters and landlords helping 290,000 tenants.
                                             
                                             https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … st-2-2021/

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                                                Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                                First, I left nothing out, I put out the statement I wanted to... yours is as selective and biased as any other.
                                                
                                                Second, if someone got relief, hopefully it went to the owner/landlord.
                                                
                                                But for those who didn't get relief, for those who abuse the Moratorium, abuse and destroy the property, what recourse do the property owner's have?
                                                
                                                They have none, no matter how bad the circumstance, because we have an idiotic government that solves problems with blanket determinations for all situations.
                                                
                                                No one can evict... problem solved.
                                                
                                                It was a bad decision when the Trump administration made it, its a worse decision now when Biden extends it... it only worsens and deepens the economical harm that will be done and makes it harder to undo and repair the damage.
                                                
                                                Whenever Central Government type blanket decisions are made to cover all instances and all people, things get worse for people, not better.

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                                                   Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                                   'Whenever Central Government type blanket decisions are made to cover all instances and all people, things get worse for people, not better.'
                                                   
                                                   Definitely a true statement.  So many decisions that would be better left to local governments depending on situation, culture, resources, etc.

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                              Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              I don't think you understand what constitutes Middle Class, if you think that owning a few rental properties makes you something more than that, you are sorely mistaken.
                              
                              And if you think any 'Middle Class' property owner has the financial means to hire a lawyer to pursue compensation from dead-beats that don't pay rent...  And lets be real, these cases will take YEARS to work through a court-system that will be over-run with them... while also working to have them evicted and then paying the tens or hundreds of thousands needed to repair those properties, you are dreaming.

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                           Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           I totally understand your point and agree with it. It is clear many that who have not paid their rents will never pay what they accumulated, and will at this point now be accumulating more they may not be able to pay. I was trying to make a point that some,  I would I assume many went into this agreement knowing full well they would not be able to pay the back rent.
                           
                           My concern is like yours with the property owners. Many renters will not pay and leave the property owners in dire straits.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            "He likely knows that Congress has the right to view his taxes..."
            
            This is news to me: I thought it was strictly voluntary for a President to make his/her tax returns public?  Or do you mean that just Congress can see them, with a (worthless) promise they won't be made public?

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               Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Voluntary for public exposure, but the DOJ says Congress has legitimate reasons to view them.  We will see what the courts say.
               
               https://www.npr.org/2021/07/30/10228604 … umps-taxes

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