Trump and His Ongoing Legal Entanglements.

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   peoplepower73posted 23 months ago

   Now that Trump has announced he is running again, it seems he and all his Trumpers out there have ignored all the legal entanglements he has pending.  I know as a master con-artist, he is very good at playing the victim and attacking those who oppose him, but there has to be accountability for all his illegal doings. 
   
   Don't forget this man tried to steal an election from a duly elected president, he and others want you to forget about that. People have gone to jail over participating in his insurrection.  Where is his day in court?  He surrounds himself with a cadre of lawyers who are willing to lie to protect him because he pays them big bucks.  If you steal a loaf of bread, you can go to jail.  Where is the justice?
   
   https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/15/politics … s-lawsuits

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      Credence2posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      "Don't forget this man tried to steal an election from a duly elected president, he and others want you to forget about that"
      
      Well, Mike, I haven't forgotten and hold that against both Trump and the Republican Party. Until they make clean sweep, I will never trust them as a partner in government again.

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         peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Cred:  I guess a temporary decline in the economy and temporary inflation are more important to them than justice for a criminal like Trump who is in the running again. Merrick Garland said, "no one is above the law", but Trump and his supporters think he is..

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      wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      After 7 years of legal persecution, and zero convictions, one would think that even those with TDS might consider that there is nothing to convict OF.
      
      One would be wrong, though, wouldn't they?  TDS sufferers will NEVER quite pursuing Trump, forever convinced he is a criminal but needing no proof of that.

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         peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Wilderness:  Just because he hasn't been convicted yet does not mean he is not guilty.  You are the one who needs no proof.  It took time to convict the head of the mafia, while their underling were all going to jail.
         
         Trump and his cadre of lawyers are masters at delaying the legal process.  You may think I have TDS, but you my friend are in denial about all things Trump. You have Trump Denial Syndrome.
         
         https://time.com/6215419/trump-legal-tr … trategies/

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            wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            "Wilderness:  Just because he hasn't been convicted yet does not mean he is not guilty."
            
            Very, very true.  What you don't seem to understand, though, is that it certainly does not prove he is guilty.  You and others appear to find guilt in your imagination and then project it into the real world when you fail at those convictions, declaring guilt when you cannot prove it.  Over and over and over this has been the policy: declare guilt, and when it is unprovable declare guilt of something else.  Repeated ad nauseum to the point that only the Trump haters are interested any more. 
            
            Remember "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" tale?  You are well past that point, and continuation of unproven accusations does nothing to convince anyone of guilt.

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         Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         And now today --- a special counsel appointed to investigate more accusations. Accusations would seem our DOJ can't find anything to indict Trump. So, now we have a special counsel. This bunch can't find anything, so they just hang another witchhunt over Trump's head.
         
         This is ridiculous, vile, and evil.

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            wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Personally I predict that it will go on for as long as Trump is alive.  Democrats will certainly never stop the witch hunting.
            
            So no, when they find nothing (for the umpteenth time) they will invent another story to "investigate".

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               Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               I agree.

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            Fayetteville Fayeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

            Merrick Garland stated the reason for the special counsel in his press conference really clearly. He is taking the precaution because of who this investigation involves to try and remove the partisanship from it and have an independent person review all of the information or investigate as needed to answer his own questions. He will report back to Merrick Garland who has the ultimate responsibility to indict or not. The special counsel won't be making any decision. 
            
            "Based on recent developments, including the former President’s announcement that he is a candidate for President in the next election, and the sitting President’s stated intention to be a candidate as well, I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a special counsel,” Garland said, adding that the appointment underscores a "commitment to both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters.
            
            "The extraordinary circumstances presented here demand it," Garland said.
            
            I would think that conservatives would welcome the independent review.

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               Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               The DOJ should have been able to handle this newest investigation, in my view. It would appear they are either inept or just want to prolong the obvious there is no there, there.
               
               Why in the world would we buy into another Trump
               investigation?  Maybe count up all the failed investigations, and consider all the accusations, yet no inditement.  All this latest move tells me, the DOJ has been further weaponized to go after Trump due to he is now a candidate. A cheap ploy.  They are doing the same thing they have done for the past 5 years. --- make accusations, and feed those that eat up Trump hate. Sick

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                  Fayetteville Fayeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                  I think the decision was made to add a layer of Independence. I have no reason to believe that Merrick Garland is lying. I don't feel It's  about "Trump hate". After all, Mr Trump did take thousands of classified documents to his Beach resort.   
                  Bringing in a special counsel, in my opinion, doesn't have anything to do with Mr Garland not being able to handle the investigation.  If anything it's a bonus for Mr Trump.  Why wouldn't we want an independent review?

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                     Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                     I have done some reading this weekend on this situation. Looking at the legal ramifications, and what some experts feel about the problems of Trump removing the Documents from the White House.
                     
                     Factually Trump removed documents for the White House. It is apparent this is not done, and it appears the DOJ could, and most likely will find Trump obstructed justice by not returning all documents. This special council seems to be overkill. 
                     
                     It is becoming increasingly more likely” that the DOJ will indict Trump for the hoard of classified documents he removed from the White House.   The FBI found the stash at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida so that is pretty cut and dry.  And the Justice Department “ most probably” has what it needs to legitimately indict him.  I am not sure what the punishment would be for this kind of crime or if Trump could defend his way out of this type of crime. 
                     
                     Why the need for a special council to step in?  This AG just needs to do his job.

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                        peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        Sharlee:  The AG is doing his job.  Do you think the only case he has is Trump's?  He is the boss, not a worker bee.  Besides by having an independent special council, he is keeping the investigation as impartial as is possible.
                        
                        Merrick Garland said, "No one is above the law,", not even Trump, but he acts like he is.  Trump is going to use every tool that is in his "tool box of lawyers" to delay, distract, and deflect these charges as long as he can.
                        
                        If the AG was personally involved in this investigation, it would make it easier for Trump to drag his feet.  He has already said he is not going to participate in this investigation.  It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

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                        Fayetteville Fayeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                        It's because of the fact that all things Trump need to be handled with kid gloves and Overkill. I mean honestly I think people expect that Rudy Giuliani and the pillow guy would be appointed as special counsel LOL
                        If we don't go to the ends of the Earth to make sure everything is on the up and up and completely Fair for Mr Trump, all we will hear about is how unfair it is for him.  I say bring It On.   I say he brings along anyone who can definitively prove the case seven ways to Sunday.  Let's back it up and then back it up some more.

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                           wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           Would you agree that Trump should receive the same punishment for having secret documents that H Clinton did?
                           
                           The precedent was set; do we continue it or change it because it is, after all, the most hated man to ever get in the White House?

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                           Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                           I don't agree one thing I can honestly say, I do not feel Trump has ever been handled with kid gloves". In fact, the Democratic party has gone after him with just about every weapon they could.  They have never even considered being the least bit fair to Trump.  there is no up and up... If someone committed a crime they are charged with that crime.  And it seems bazaar of you to think all has been done on the up and up in regards to any of the Trump investigations.
                           
                           Not sure if it has been noticed by some, but each and every bit of information we have gleaned about the Trump document investigation is from leaks from our two law enforcement agencies. It would seem this is a way of once again having a trial by leaks.
                           
                           I find this form of political ploy corrupt.
                           
                           If they could get Trump for littering they would. And so many that have been led to hate him would salivate...

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                              Fayetteville Fayeposted 23 months agoin reply to this

                              So are you saying that if an investigation results in no charges it was a waste of time to begin with? But how do you get to that conclusion unless you do the investigation? I think all the investigations related to Mr Trump began with grounds for those investigations.  I mean Benghazi ended up as nothing Burger so does that mean it should have never been launched from the beginning?   Durham looks like it's going to turn up nothing either does that mean it should have never been commenced?  We should only launch investigations that have 100% chance of charges?  Why bother with any investigation then of anything.

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                                 Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

                                 I would say after watching so many investigations that made little sense to me, I am very spectacle at this point. I also feel there should be evidence of a crime before pointing a finger.  Trump's investigations have all been based on accusing him and then trying to prove the accusations.
                                 
                                 As I said in regard to this current accusation. It is very apparent he took documents he should not have. The FBI removed physical documents. So we do see evidence of a possible crime. Yet, the DOJ feels the need to hire a special counsel. 
                                 
                                 I don't have a problem with investigations, I have a problem with investigations that start without factual evidence of a crime. In Trump's case, he has never been indicted for any form of crime at the end of multiple investigations. It appears he is being slandered in many ways due to these drumed-up investigations.
                                 
                                 As I have shared it certainly is factual he took documents from the WH, it stands to be proved it doing what he did is an indictable crime.  It would appear Garland has not found a reason to indict him. So, he digs deeper. Makes me wonder what kind of inept people we have in the DOJ.
                                 
                                 I think one can only cry wolf so many times, and then it all becomes rather ridiculous looking. My common sense always rules.

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   peoplepower73posted 23 months ago

   Sharlee:
   
   Oh poor Trump.  It's obvious, you buy into Trump playing the victim. You have already labeled it as a vile and evil  Witch Hunt, even though they haven't started the proceedings.
   
   msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorney-general-names-special-counsel-in-trump-mar-a-lago-and-jan-6-probes/ar-AA14hj7B?cvid=d71a5976296b4717890a2ca4e2355878
   
   
   Who is Jack Smith?
   
   https://abcnews.go.com/US/jack-smith-sp … d=93574632

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      peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Sharlee:
      
      Oh poor Trump.  It's obvious, you buy into Trump playing the victim. You have already labeled it as a vile and evil Witch Hunt, even though they haven't started the proceedings.
      
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … a4e2355878
      
      Who is Jack Smith?
      
      https://abcnews.go.com/US/jack-smith-sp … d=93574632

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      Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

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         wildernessposted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Not with Trump.  Not since he first announced he would run for office; ever since that time he has been declared guilty of something.  Zero proof of anything at all, just declarations of guilt.  From collusion with Putin to attempting to overthrow the government to election fraud to stealing secret documents - he simply must but guilty of something.  They just can't seem to prove anything in spite of all that guilt.  Incompetent, no doubt, right?

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         peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

         Sharlee:  You are in denial just like all other Trumpers.  The evidence is there.  What more do you need?  He tried to steal an election from a duly elected president by trying  to obstruct the peaceful transfer of power.
         
         He used fraud, intimidation of the Vice President, and motivated a riot where people were injured and died while destroying government property.  Talk about vile and evil doings. They were ready to harm Pelosi and hang Pence.
         
         He stole highly classified documents that are part of the defense department security apparatus and mishandled them by not following strict security protocols.
         
         Trump and his lawyers are masters at roadblocking, and delaying legal processes while being under investigation.  That's why he has not been indicted in the past. He has already said he will not participate in this investigation.  So I hope this time they nail his ass with no way out.
         
         Yes, I have labeled this one, as I have each and every one. You see when someone breaks the law, as a rule, evidence needs to be presented, and the person indited. Not the other way around. Lay out the evidence, and indite...
         
         I have already told you that is not they it works in a congressional investigation.  Your are presumed guilty until they prove you innocent.  That's the position the GOP is taking on Hunter Biden.  What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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            Sharlee01posted 23 months agoin reply to this

            There is apparently not enough as you call evidence to indite Trump on anything. Otherwise, the AG would have indicted him. Or has he been indicted? Fact --- no.
            
            OH -- YOU  "TOLD ME.". " Your are presumed guilty until they prove you innocent. "    Maybe in China. LOL
            
            
            OMG is all I can say. You better check out the standards America has followed for decades. I man is innocent until proven guilty. 
            
            This is so discussing on so many levels.
            Do you ever read what you post?

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               peoplepower73posted 23 months agoin reply to this

               Sharlee; Maybe you should read what you wrote.  I said in a congressional investigation one is presumed guilty until there is proof of their innocents or the investigation just dries up.. 
               
               Unlike a civil court where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. That's what the GOP did with Obama and Hillary, and now they are trying to do the same thing with Hunter Biden. Prove me wrong please.  Hillary was guilty for three years, until it just dried up.  Obama was guilty of being  born in Kenya until it just dried up. He was also guilty of phone tapping and the deep state until they just dried up.

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