At this moment all I can say is hmmm . . .
I'll return to the video later when I am more awake, though I pretty much understood what he said. Although I want to understand it in the context he said it in 1984, today is 39 years later. That may take some poking about.
We can see the complete infiltration of the education system.
Socialism On U.S. University Campuses: ‘The Culture War Is Fought Dirty’
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzite … 2bc27d5c4b
Communist propaganda has infiltrated more than 100 US colleges
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/comm … -institute
Just some beginning reads, the enitre higher education system now pumps out more Social Justice (and related) graduates than it does engineers or doctors.
Social Justice programs largely exist to deconstruct society and infiltrate the highest positions of power be they corporate or political.
Which ties into the CIA, FBI, NSA... and international entities as well, like the WEF and OSF.
That's why you see things today that make you shake your head, things that make no sense... like the young executives that decided incorporating Mulveney into their Bud Light campaign was a good idea, not comprehending their views and ideology is not what beer drinkers believe in or want to have preached to them.
A better example is Disney itself, which went all out in the Social Justice efforts, getting involved in politics, turning every major movie into a woke-fest bash men, bash sexual stereotypes... deconstruct norms effort.
The result for Disney has been hundreds of billions in losses and families shifting away from Disney... entire generations of customers will be lost.
Bud Light went from the #1 beer sold in America, by far, to irrelevant.
The belief of these hundreds of thousands of programmed young people that are now flooded into DC and major corporations throughout the country, is that their ideology is right... that makes pushing their ideology every chance they get worth the costs.
They don't have a live and let live mentality... they have a change the world mentality... the loss of hundreds of billions to Disney... the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, perhaps millions... it doesn't matter.
Zelots... well educated, well indoctrinated... and if they start to wake up to how harmful their ideas really are, they are shunned, shut out of their social circles, or worse, treated like an enemy and every effort to denigrate their reputation is made.
hey Ken, we said by with popcorn did we not? Look how very quickly we see the end game that Yuri Brezhnev spoke of --- normalization...
Hey, I am seeing a turn, people are coming out of their daze and realizing they have been had.
People see it...
They can choose to not go to the new Disney Movies...
They can choose not to drink Bud Light...
But they can't get them out of Disney, out of Anheuser Busch.
And they most certainly can't get them out of the halls of the CIA, the Justice Department, the Pentagon, the FBI, etc. etc.
So long as there are enough Americans that buy into the BS that they are peddling, they will continue to march the country to its demise, and its people to the same lack of freedoms that people in China and other authoritarian states get to enjoy.
I am right with you --- However, I am seeing changes on social media that have many turning on all the BS. No really, I think the tables are turning. All the puff and fluff does not appear to be holding many anymore.
I mean Ken, people turn on a dime, do they not? When all the crazy starts really affecting their lives, they get a rude awakening.
First name that comes to mind? In all honesty, Ken. The ex KGB officer even touches on ideas of "Cultural Marxism" without specifically calling it that.
That one brought a chuckle. Ken? I was thinking Trump.
Relative to 'cultural Marxism,' maybe it's like that old adage about paranoia - 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.'
Just because the conspiratorial aspects of the idea are debatable doesn't mean the concept of the idea—the actual cultural changes, (not the motives or causes of the changes) is wrong.
Looking at the mentioned 'steps' (changes) in the video, without consideration of the 'whys' or purposes, they seem to match up with my adult-life perception of reality.
GA
For what he said, I think they are behind schedule or trying again. Because he is spot on. The only thing marxism isnt the problem.
Btw, recent forums and comments here show he's right, and they are effective.
It isn't just folks in forums, it's all people. The difference is just degrees.
I wasn't thinking of the OP in terms of a particular nation or entity's efforts, but just that my perception of cultural changes can see illustrations of the stages in almost every area. So, I don't know if there is a schedule.
GA
I think your perception is spot on.
Things that were untouchable are becoming "normalized"... from children to women that are not women to reality being what you think it is, not what collectively is agreed upon.
This is true for our foreign relations as well... there was a time when the last thing any of our leaders wanted was war with Russia, the world's largest stockpile of Nuclear weapons. There was a time when Americans would be having fits over the idea.
Today we have war in Armenia, Israel, Ukraine... where next, Iran, China?
Changes during this Administration are occurring at breakneck speed, none for the good IMO.
Okay, having found an article to use for further background essentially saying the same thing I get a timeline.
Note: A lot of information I feel is relevant while in the mood to write.
39 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America by bigthink on Jan 13, 2023.
https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/
In 1949 it began. According to him, it began twenty years before the interview in 1984. The Cold War started in 1945 with the opposing ideologies. According to Bezmenov 1949 is when Demoralization begins as an action plan
What happened in the '50 & 60's? I found little in the fifties that was demoralizing. How about others? In the sixties, I see race relations and the Vietnam War. Others?
1969 - End of Demoralization and beginning of Destabilization. Destabilization is supposed to be 3 - 5 years. I used 5.
1974 Destabilization ends and Crisis begins. That year there was a stock market crash sending the economy reeling. It was a bear market with an approximate 45% loss in value. That is supposed to last six weeks according to him. All in all, it lasted two years.
Perhaps, in 1974 at the beginning of the crash, the crisis affected the US enough for the last step to unfold - normalization, which is supposed to be ongoing. Remember the Crisis is supposed to be six weeks.
From the article is this excerpt:
"The third stage would be “crisis.” It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring “a violent change of power, structure, and economy” (The market crash?) and will be followed by the last stage, “normalization.” That’s when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.
This will happen to America unless it gets rid of people who will bring it to a crisis, warned Bezmenov. What’s more “if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help [the] United States,” adding, “You may kiss goodbye to your freedom.”
[Did not another economic crash occur in 2008.]
What ideology? Conservative? Liberal? Or, capitalism and the free market, which we learned ran off the rails.
From a Brennan Center for Justice comes the article; How the Tumultuous ’70s Shaped Our Political Conflicts on Mar 24, 2020 (It is the transcript of an interview that is about 30 min. read) A following excerpt:
"The upheavals of the 1970s — the Watergate cover-up, defeat in Vietnam, racial conflict, and economic convulsions — formed the contours of today’s polarization, argue Princeton historians Kevin M. Kruse and Julian E. Zelizer.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/ … -conflicts
There are two things I see that unfolded. Yes, his prediction came with a high propensity to be true. Second, normalization is ongoing, however I question what is at the helm of it as I shared earlier.
As Ken has said over and over all the politicians and institutes of government in DC are beholden to corporatism or big money. So much it is international. I don't feel it is a leftist thing.
I feel it is big business at the helm that is normalizing our nation. They are creating a nation of consumers!! Buy, buy, buy!! Profit is the great god to be worshiped! However, many say that is what keeps the world turning and moving forward with progress.
Finally, I ask if the boogie man is the Economics of Marxism that is a threat, e.g. normalization, rather than the politics of it.
"Marxian economics, or Marxist economics, focuses on the role of labor in the development of an economy and is critical of the classical approach to wages and productivity developed by Adam Smith."
Reflection on today is to look at how many strikes there are in this year, 2023. CNBC says there are 312.
Why so many workers are striking in 2023: ‘Strikes can often be contagious,’ says expert by CNBC on Oct 9, 2023.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/09/from-ua … -year.html
It's a complicated multifaceted effort to bring the world under a corporatocracy built on socialism (one class with no power and no rights... and the controlling few).
Who are "they"?
Those that own the Federal Reserve, those that control BlackRock, the people behind the politicians, they control the corporations and control the banks.
They are in the process of using America, to try and bring about their Agenda 2030, Great Reset.
That is why America is at war against Russia now, if they are willing to destroy the Middle East for oil, Russia has oil, gas, and a great wealth of much needed resources from fertilizer to precious ores.
They also want to break BRICS... Russia is the key, without Russia, China will not have access to the resources it needs, nor the secure northern border it enjoys now.
It wouldn't shock me at all, if the escalation in conflicts elsewhere is to deflect from Ukraine and take eyes off of what is going on there.
We are escalating the war against Russia, in ways only American weapons under American soldier's control can. Such as the deployment and utilization of long-range ATACMS missiles.
Headlines such as:
Oct 17, 2023 · Ukraine has used long-range US ATACMS missiles that were secretly shipped to Kyiv to strike nine Russian military helicopters and airfields deep inside Russian territory.
This isn't really being paid attention to right now... is it?
No one is asking what it means that targets within Russia are now being hit. Or how much Russia will tolerate before they have had enough and feel like making America feel some pain it likes to dish out to everyone else.
I think a lot of people in the Biden Administration are hoping for just that.
What I don't understand, why would US attack an underestimate bullies like Russia , when US is broke. It's certainly drive Russia into the arm of China and BRICS. Biden Blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline was the hardest hit on Russian economy than anything , is what it is really about. Yet the darling of climate change is shipped oil and gas to Europe at four times the cost. Unless Biden is greatest environmental fraud that ever lived.
Your 'deep dives' are a lot of work. I was just noting that the mentioned 'stages' seem represented by real-life examples in my lifetime.
Without addressing the conspiracy and responsibility aspects of who and why, the point was simply that the changes seem real.
It also seems very logical to me that adversaries (China's perspective comes to mind) would work towards the goals mentioned in the video—defeat from within.
I have the recollected perception that history is full of examples of empires lost for the reasons in the video.
GA
ha, ha Your not hinting at denying me some fun are you? Just kidding about. The intent was to share discovery in a real time line of events related to the strategy shared. I felt it was interesting at how it seemed to follow what he said.
I'm am in agreement we have lived it as the strategy unfolded. Yet, as I was doing my research I pondered if the strategy has been repeating. If so, is the next one, which could be happening today, reinforcing normalization making it second nature while implementing 'New' change.
One example is for crisis is the pandemic (2020).
(China as you propose? Where did the virus come from and was distributed?)
Three to five years before that is when destabilization is initiated (2015 - 2017). Twenty years before that demoralization began (1996).
Remember Crisis he said would take six weeks.Then normalization is put into effect. With the current political and cultural climate we definitely are seeing change and somewhat radical could be said, right? In other words, normalization is in its infancy while at the same time cementing the previous strategy of Russia?
Well, just a thought exercise for some fun, fun, fun. No, I'm not a conspiracy theorists!! Just a curious mind and at times bored. Both could be said may be dangerous.
I wasn't knocking your 'fun.' I've enjoyed my share of hunts too.
My staying away from the 'whos and whys' and just considering the 'stages' and their sequence let me offer this for your pondering.
Set aside any specific identity and ulterior motivation details. Simply consider the nature of the stages (forget about any time spans too - for a moment) and the sequence of their progression and elevation.
Now consider history's examples of great nations and societies that failed due to their own actions or due to the actions of a formerly inferior foe.
From the ancients (the Greeks) to the biblical (Sodom and Gomorrah) to the times of conquest (the Romans, the Huns, et al.) there were societal phases that parallel descriptions of the video's "stages," and preceded those entities collapse.
So, a point to ponder: Does the video's description and explanation of Soviet plans, programs, and tactics boil down to cyclical societal traits? Are these 'stages' simply a trait of human behavior? If it's a built-in behavior and it's cyclical by nature, then it's not driven by external circumstances, so the specifics of the details ('the whos and whys') don't matter. 'The names may change but the game stays the same.'
Just a thought, a shot from the hip . . .
GA
I understand where you are coming from, I hope, GA. I don't disagree with the line of thinking as well. If I am following what is implied then there was no need for any of the four stages that Bezmenov said was instituted by an outside force.
In other words, let nature take its course since by nature those four stages occur leading to the downfall of a nation as its own civilization. Do I have that right? While one must bear in mind it is cyclic by nature as well.
In other words,
Demoralization by nature occurs. According to him, that is a period of twenty years. At that point then Destabilization begins lasting 3 - 5 years. After that is a crisis lasting six weeks. Finally, there is the beginning of normalization. Perhaps they discovered that by studying history as you infer?
An additional thought, being cyclic, demoralization begins again naturally while in the process of normalization. Or, perhaps, Newton's third law comes into play. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Cause and effect say there was a beginning for it. A question might be are we in that natural stage - demoralization, for 'our' civilization today? If so, thought offers speculation for the beginning - cause.
By observation, one may say the conservatives today are in a state of demoralization as a result of cultural changes. Just as importantly, the liberals are demoralized by the reactions of the conservatives. In other words, there is no Kumbaya moment.
At question is when was the beginning? Was it with normalizing homosexuality (2015)? Or, closer to today with the Summer of Love with the George Floyd riots (2020)? Maybe transgenderism as it is today and have just begun to accelerate? Combine that with migration.
One may ask if it was further back when social media was normalized. Consider cyclic. It revolutionized the impact of news, exchanging ideas and information at the speed of light, and developed group dynamics furthering polarization (the early 2000s). In some circles, some may say that is demoralizing.
If that is the case we are entering or are in destabilization today. I can go along with that as our nation is more unstable today than at many points in its history. Well, grab some popcorn because we have 3 - 5 years of it before us.
Then when it ends, Crisis!!
i think the real change began in the 90s with gusto.
the downfall of the USSR, the wide spread use of internet, the buy out and control of all MSM sources from over 80 separate entities down to 5 which often work in collusion with each other... the hold out used to be Fox, which i dont believe is the case anymore.
However, the effort to expediate tge process has been the main effort of the Biden Administration.
hmmm . . . as could be seen I was playing about with possible scenarios using the strategy the gentleman said was put into place. Plus, I have been in a writing mood of late because of writing articles for here at HP.
I like the idea of looking at the 90's. That would go along with what GA mentioned for it being naturally cyclic. That is with the theme of the strategy proposed by him there is a period of 25-1/2 years and then comes normalization.
My thought was during normalization the process begins again due to some cause for demoralization to begin new. We can't forget about the Gulf war in the 90's. Crisis?
There I go again playing around with strategy. Best stop here.
Yep, that's the general idea. Human nature must exist in the reality of nature's most basic law — survival of the fittest.
As human societies become more 'fit', as in, survival is more secure, our nature drives us to want more. More ways to be the 'fittest', more areas to be the 'fittest in. We all have different ideas of what is the fittest, but the common fact is the desire to be the fittest (or a part of the fittest).
Here's how all that esoteric rambling ties in:
The first society (any group of 3 or more of us) becomes the fittest by way of a strong man with a big club that protects it from predators — ensuring its survival.
The next step is to gain security in other areas; food, water, and shelter. As those securities are obtained the caveman protector becomes a general—a protective force of warriors.
And so on, step by step until the security sought is for societal issues, not physical security, and the 'leader' (the fittest) is the voice of the group, not its protectors.
This is the point where the 'demoraliztion' stage might start. One group gets its way and the other doesn't. Now, human nature jumps in and the rest of the stages come to be. And then . . . we start all over again. The particulars will change (the 'whos and whys') but the game stays the same - a battle for power to control the point of equilibrium.
Locke covers this process in his 'State of Nature vs. State of War' explanation. The stages described in the OP video are specific to modern times and circumstances, but if you consider each stage without the details of times and circumstances they are simply stages of equilibrium on Locke's scale of degrees between Nature and War.
GA
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” The quote, from a postapocalyptic novel by the author G. Michael Hopf, sums up a stunningly pervasive cyclical vision of history.
I also think when one views nations, or corporations, the life cycle is clear.
They exist for a while after the Founder(s) create the foundation for the amazing success that they have, then over time, that brilliance and strength is replaced by incompetence and arrogance, even insanity at the top.
Then they collapse, or go bankrupt, overtaken by other nations or businesses.
Henry Ford, Kodak, Napoleon, Rome... nothing lasts forever.
Your quote covers it in a nutshell; when times are good the strength that created them is relegated to a secondary status. That is the first misstep.
Nicholson's famous courtroom scene in A Few Good Men' is a truism from my perspective. He protects us from the Huns so we have the security to argue about the less important stuff. Some of it a lot less important.
GA
I remember that movie, and scene, vividly.
I was stationed at Ft. Ord at the time, I was still relatively naive about how our government, our politics, our world worked.
The takeaway I got however has proven itself out. One of the opening salvos to me waking up. In that movie, the defender of all that America has and had is cast as the villain.
This has evolved into a war against men, manhood, and everything that was instructed to our generation to make a good man.
In our society today, men are framed as the problem, not the providers. The criminals, not the protectors. Boys will be boys is no longer acceptable, in fact it is preferable if boys will be girls, that's the type of dejection young men face today.
There is no place for Boy Scouts... there can only be Scouts.
Being the Head of the Family is an antiquated concept... family is Patriarchy oppression.
“I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it.”
“We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as a backbone to a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.”
"The fabric of this base, the foundation of the unit, the spirit of the Corps, these things are worth fighting for. And there’s no one who doesn’t know that who’s ever made the choice to put on the uniform.”
“I’d prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I’d suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post.”
The concept of what it is to be a Man... what it takes to be a Good man, has been so deconstructed by our society today, that we will no longer have men willing to stand that wall or understanding of the value to do so.
Weak men... that is what is behind our generation, and you can see it.
Hard times are to come... and they will make for strong men.
A good cup of coffee and a healthy dose of confirmation bias. . .
Reading your quote was a great start to the day. I'm almost tempted to 'gird my loins' and go looking for Cred. ;-)
GA
Agreed, considering Locke's State of Nature as well as Hobbes, which I have read, we shall we say return to the 'State of War' as complacency is overcome by the need for change no matter the stimulus. As, said, the phases presented in the video are age-old in a sense. Today, the element of time is shortened. so the cycles are more frequent.
Not sure I could call this a conspiracy. However, all the phases mirror our history. The OP did not invite names, but naturally, I came up with several dating a bit back in our history, that could have unknowingly nurtured each phase.
At any rate great work, you always provide good conversation --- I also took that trip down memory lane, and I will say I was shocked to see the stages progress up to this very day. In my view, we may be in the last part of the crisis phase or the beginning of normalization.
My question where from here? Just your general thoughts. In my view, ideologies are now so ingrained that it would be hard to disrupt mindsets. Many seem very satisfied with where we have ended up. So, perhaps we are entering the normalization phase.
I mean unless I am crazy, America is really in a mess, a true crisis. and many do not recognize the seriousness of the many crises we are openly witnessing. So, could half the country have entered normalization, and the other half had a wake-up call, so to speak?
I am certainly aware (in my view) that a form of brainwashing has occurred and taken hold. I mean good is now bad, bad is good... Guilty until proven innocent. Values have been badly skewed, and facts do not matter. So, I have faced the realization that some form of brainwashing has occurred. To much evidence to deny it.
Just a thought from the cosmos, why can't normalization be 'crisis' as a constant state of affairs? Seems with history since about 1975 when that timeline says normalization begins we have experienced crises at every turn either politically, culturally, technologically, financially, or with conflicts/wars. Especially the last one. Thoughts?
"My question where from here?"
Me? I play the California SupeLotto every Monday only. I get two one-dollar tickets. The jackpot is not as big as the Powerball or MegaMillion which are two bucks a ticket. But I would be happy and able to share with family to give them a kick start.
After winning it I would move to Sweden to live out my days with Dear Friends there. They live in a rural area near the shore. The Spring, Summer, and Fall are pleasant enough. The Winters I would have to get used to it since I am accustomed to Southern California. A small price to pay for peace of mind.
Don't get me wrong I am happy here, yet I am a bit of dreamer.
As far as where does this nation go? As with quantum mechanics, a particle and a wave are one and the same. There is duality. Traditional science says that can't be true. It is determined by the experiment itself and the observer to know that truth.
Both, the Democrats/Liberals and Republicans/Conservatives are one in the same, right? It is only through the experiment at task seen through the observer's eyes that truth can be determined. Measurement is key.
GA,
Yuri Brezhnev undeniably provided a thought-provoking perspective that in my view, mirrors the current state of affairs. It's disheartening how our world seems to have reached a point where the lines between good and bad have become badly blurred, with no room for facts or in some cases moral. Just no middle ground. Objective facts are ignored or skewed, and people willingly shut their ears while keeping their eyes wide open, only to see what aligns with their own thoughts.
In regard to what name might come to mind, I came up with several.
Great post, so relevant, so thought-provoking -- it activated my brain cells. So what solutions can we take to combat the great brainwashing of our Nation? It would seem we are close to what Yuri called the normalization phase.
Makes me ponder whether we might be headed towards a quiet battle to counteract such entrenched mindsets, or if should I realize that battle was fought and lost.
Shar
I've changed alot in business from arts to housing and farming. Because I'm very intuitive and my daughter is the same, in the pass 15 years I knew this apocalypse was coming. Because the countries that were not joining up with US Centro banking. Were the countries US and NATO were attacking, mainly middle eastern countries. Now the BRICS is backing up their currency's better with gold and oil, they are moving in a better direction.
Weapons of mass distractions, for example queer for Palestinian it's in the design.
This “apocalypse of truth” works as an unveiling that reveals both the finitude and mystery of truth, allowing a full confrontation with truth-as-absence.
It's lifting the veil to see the truth. Which is actually a very good thing.
Since we are on the Conspiracy Theory topic... and since I am too lazy at this time of the night to track down a good 'Stolen Election' thread.
Well... I'll let you decide what to make of this:
https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status … 2856721891
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Clicksco | This is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy) |