Finally: my Muslim and Islamic fellow citizens are getting the message
I had been saying this about their protests against Harris all along, now perhaps they will begin to understand who their real enemy is. I can only hope that they can take this new found understanding to the polls next week
https://www.salon.com/2024/10/27/palest … ir-choice/Can't you find a more biased, lying, racist or ignorant link? You must have really searched hard for this one!
Living in Michigan I am bombarded with local news. Yes, Trump appears to be gaining support among Muslim voters in Michigan. Recent polling indicates that he is receiving about 42% of the Muslim vote, compared to Kamala Harris, who is at 41%. This shift marks a notable increase in his support compared to the 2020 election, where he garnered only about 18% of the Muslim vote" newsweek.
Notably, some high-profile Muslim figures, including Amer Ghalib, the mayor of Hamtramck, have publicly endorsed Trump, further signaling a potential shift in this demographic's political allegiance. Hamtramck is predominantly Muslim. The West Dearborn Mayor has also endorsed Trump and asked his citizens to consider voting for Trump. It well appears Trump has the Dearborn voters. These are hard-working business people who liked Trump's tax cuts as well as Trump cutting regulations. The city has also become affluent, and her taxing the rich does not sit well with many.I apologize, this is just an opinion piece that express my views. The situation is not as simple as the editorial suggests.
Accepted.
Opinions are always superior when accompanied with facts and the reasoning process that gives rise to them, don't you think?I made one mistake here, but I don't make many, so don't rub it in....
So many of you just like your fearless leader never apologizes for making an error.Two things... he is pretty damned fearless, what they have put him through, assassination attempts and all, well, most people would wilt...
And he has been apologizing lately... I believe he admitted to making mistakes on Joe Rogan the other day... imagine that...
The world must be coming to an end right?"And he has been apologizing lately... I believe he admitted to making mistakes on Joe Rogan the other day... imagine that... "
It's too late, I already voted. Of course, since I live in California my vote doesn't count, right?No... it doesn't, that is just the reality of living in a completely corrupt State that will determine the outcome of the election for you.
But CA is not alone, every state that allows mail in ballots (sending out millions to all the voters... not the Absentee Ballots of old) and for the election process to go beyond election day is in the same boat.
Venezuela here we come...I dunno... what is more f'd up...
Thinking that your vote matters in a State that is mailing out millions of ballots, does not require ID, and that allows the election to go beyond election day...
Or realizing that the election is completely bogus and is in no way is legitimate?
We have states making it illegal to maintain a hard-copy record of votes...
But hey, no worries... its not like another round of inflation that increases costs 20 to 30% is going to hurt anyone... I can handle it, can you?
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You know... you make a good point... WTF do I care?
I'm set... another round of a couple years of 9% inflation isn't going to hurt my life any... I don't live paycheck to paycheck...
Maybe its time for me to stop... who cares about the people who work for a living, or that are living off of retirement savings and SS... that's their problem.I already purchased three months of survival food, ammunition, own a bicycle, and got a passport. I am unsure of water except for what I have always had in reserve for earthquake preparedness. I am ready. I'm pretty much a minimalist in my old guy days, so I could disappear rather easily.
If I didn't have the wife and kids, I'd probably be a lot like you...
Only deep in the sticks somewhere, like the Ozarks of AR or somewhere even more remote.. probably wouldn't even be in the country... would be hanging out in Peru checking out Machu Picchu and Tiwanaku in Bolivia...
Living out of a backpack... oh well...
I always feel my vote counts. It’s only natural to feel disappointed if I’ve voted for a president who ends up failing badly. It just makes me think I chose someone who did more harm than good for the country. It makes me question my reasons for that vote in the first place. I have been in that spot more than I will admit.
The comment was a dig to Ken. In another thread eons ago he quipped my vote doesn't count since I live in California. As you can see from his reply to the comment you replied to he stands on that plus some, today, though gives his reasoning as to why. Understandable.
So, far in my voting history I have never felt disappointment in my vote, though was not for the victor in all cases. As shared many times in this forum until the 2016 election I was a sheeple voting Republican always and was proud of my vote win or lose. I was a team member come hell or high water.
2016, 2020 & 2024 I did a write in for Teddy Roosevelt voting with a clear conscious through reasoning and my 'heart'. It isn't as much the candidates, but the direction both parties are going, which to me they both have veered from foundational ideology. Of course, today, it is a tussle since I began questioning my beliefs around 2013 and my priorities have changed. But, I considered RFK, Jr. for an evening's worth of time since he was on the ballot. But, that would have been out of spite more than anything, maybe.Yes, you have a good memory... one of the things that makes you excellent to discuss things with on this forum format. You pretty much remember discussions that may have happened months ago...
Makes it easier to continue a conversation... in forums like these... as they tend to drift from one Thread to another.No I, do see it at all, what did you mean by your quote?
"No privilege seen in Arthur's perspective at all"
Were you looking for bias in Arthur speaking about the Muslims in his community? I do not see any bigotry in Arthur's mention that he and Muslims manage to live harmoniously. No more or less than my acknowledgement about Haitians or Jamaicans and those from Central America who live in Florida. He can acknowlege this for me that within his society there appears to be a great deal less Xenophobia. They had a Muslim mayor in London that Trump managed to insult. Like Arthur says, they don't do things the way WE do them....Really?
Isn't that what 'privilege' is?
Noticing that they are "Muslim" that one speaks "good english" and that they were hard workers installing his... whatever it was...
Don't you have to be 'privileged' to have people coming to your home installing new things... noticing that they are NOT like you... what differentiates them from you...?
What do I know... I'm just a racist misogynist.Oh hell. A recollection of the Biden/Obama controversy popped to mind: ". . . clean, bright, and articulate . . . I mean that's a storybook man."
Hold on folks, take a breath. That wasn't a jab at Pres. Biden or Arthur, I'm just having fun with the direction things have taken (or the way a certain someone pushed them).
Besides, if I had any friends I'm sure at least one of them would be of color (kind of partial to Asians — respectfully so). So I'm cool, I can say it.
GA ;-0You might want to get a second opinion on that... from someone who is not 'privileged'... to validate that statement.
And TBH... I don't think Asians qualify as POC... based on how places like Harvard and such operate...
ken, I have commented that many Florida residents coming from Spanish speaking countries speak English well. Is that not a compliment toward them and their ability to master a tongue other than the one of their birth? How often have I said to myself what a gift it was to be bilingual or to be fluent in several languages.
You conservative types always miss the point and that applies whether you are pretty pink or crimson red. Progressive thinkers recognize that people are different yet accept them as they are and do not use the sole fact that they are different as an excuse to treat them adversely. I thought that we working toward improving in that direction in America, but Trump is by his very definition is a serious relapse.
So, there is a difference.
To support Trump and get on the Trumper bandwagon one either has to be a racist misogynist or are not be troubled by the fact that he is, and that is not much better.unh unh – We are not living in Victorian Britain, where the middle classes employed servants, and tradesmen (like you are describing):
• First thing: These days Tradesmen such as plumbers and electricians are highly paid professionals; earning more than I’ve ever earnt when I was working. In Britain, Professional Tradesmen earn in an hour what most people earn in a day.
• Secondly, these days, anyone in Britain, including the low paid and unemployed, employ professional tradesmen from time to time – you don’t have “to be 'privileged' to have people coming to your home installing new things” e.g. a close friend of ours, who lives on benefits (social welfare) employed and paid for a gas fitter/plumber to replace his old night storage heaters with a combi-boiler and full central heating.Yes I believe that. I tell young people all the time, learn a trade, college degrees, unless they are from an ivy league school, will be next door to useless in the near future if it's not in a STEM field.
People who can run a small business and know how to fix HVAC systems or wire a home will become the new upper middle class.Absolutely agree:
In the UK electricians and gas fitters (just like nurses and doctors) have to be fully qualified by law (for obvious reasons).
There’s a chronic shortage of professional trades persons in the UK – so finding one who’s available when you need one is almost impossible e.g. it took me a month to find a plumber to install our new whirlpool bath shower (indoor Jacuzzi), and even then I had to wait another two months before he was free to do my work.
I couldn’t find a local plumber from local directories who was free to do the work so in the end I advertised on Check-a-trade (free advert) and found one that way.
Check-a-trade is brilliant in that they vet all tradesmen on their register, and tradesmen have to pay check-a-trade a substantial sum of money annually to be put onto the register, and if the tradesmen get too many poor reviews they are kicked off the register.
In return, to the customer using the website, check-a-trade gives a 12 months guarantee for any work done by tradesman through them e.g. if you use check-a-trade to find a roofer, and 6 months later your new roof starts leaking, then check-a-trade will pay you the cost of repair, and kick the roofer who did the substandard work off their register.
Checkatrade https://youtu.be/j93RbC1pv0E
Nathan - a question that has nothing to do with your argument or statement, just terminology?
What in the world is a "night storage heater" and a "combi-boiler"? Is full central heating a building that is heated in every room?Good questions:
Yes, a “full central heating (is) a building that is heated in every room” It's where radiators are fitted in every room, and connected to a boiler, such as a combi-boiler, which heats the water and circulates it to all the radiators via a pump – see image below.
A combi-boiler is a small box that uses natural gas to heat up water on demand (instant heat) for radiators around the home and all the hot water taps (faucets) e.g. there is no hot or cold water storage tanks, as the water is only heated when needed (instant heat), and these days modern combi-boilers don’t have pilot flames, as the flame is electronically ignited when needed – see the short video below for a detailed description of what a combi-boiler is:
What Is A Combi Boiler? https://youtu.be/hSsH-lNickg
Night storage heaters are like bulky radiators which are fitted into every room in the home, and which are heated up by electricity overnight (from midnight until 7am) when electricity is cheap; and which contain heat retaining bricks, which slowly releases the heat during the day and evening, to keep the home warm. This short video below explains in more detail:
How do storage heaters work: https://youtu.be/QsFa8b5Q_UI?si=ajH6Du1 … P&t=49
Night storage heaters where common place in the UK during the 1960s and 1970s, but fell out of fashion in the 1980s with the introduction of full gas central heating; the early versions of gas central heating required not just a boiler and pump, but also a cold water tank in the loft and a hot water tank to store the hot water: But about 20 years ago the combi-boiler, which does away with the hot and cold water tanks (because they provide instant hot water, supplied directly from the cold water main) became the norm across the UK.
Interesting, particularly the night storage heater. I've seen a couple of houses that do something similar but with sunlight and massive heat sinks.
My mother had a home, built around 1900, with a boiler/radiator system. No pump; hot water simply rose naturally from the boiler in the basement to the upper floors. Wonderful heat...once temperature had been reached, but it might take over a day to get there, and radiators never got too hot to sit on (briefly!). It was old enough that it had been fitted with a automatic coal feeder (latest thing!) so you didn't have to shovel coal all day long; the next room was intended for coal and had a special window to fill it (it was in the basement, with the boiler). When we lived there it had been converted to gas.
Certainly not instant heat; it probably had 1000 liters of water in the boiler, plus all the piping and radiators in a three story, 7 bedroom house.Similar to what you describe; systems that use sunlight for heating (Solar Water Heaters) are also available in the UK, but only 0.2% of homes have them installed.
Currently, 73.8% of UK homes use the combi-boiler gas central heating system, but to meet its target on net zero carbon emissions by 2050 the UK Government is currently intending to ban the installation of new combi-boilers from 2035; and cut off the supply of natural gas to the homes by 2050.
Currently, the UK Government’s favourite scheme, which it is pushing (encouraging) people to switch to is ‘heat pumps’ e.g. because of the high cost of installation, the government is offering 50% grants to cover the cost of installing heat pumps – currently only 0.8% of UK homes have heat pumps.
The UK Government, in conjunction with speculative private investors, are also investing in R&D into commercially upscaling the production of ‘green hydrogen’; and if it can be done successfully and quickly (no one is holding their breath at this time), then rather than banning new combi-boilers the Government is keen to switch the gas national grid from natural gas (methane gas) to green hydrogen; just like what happened in the 1970s when in the UK the gas national grid was switched from town gas to natural gas.
What you describe of your mother’s home brings back memories; when we were first married, our first home was similar to what you describe; except we didn’t have an ‘automatic coal feeder’ – I had to empty the ashes and relight the coal fire every morning – but I do miss sitting in front of a coal fire every evening – it was so cosy.
In contrast to those days, our combi-boiler is instant hot water and, with the pump, heats the radiators within minutes – and as it’s all thermostatically controlled on a timer, you can have the house as warm as you like, when you like: Presumably Air Conditioning is similar for heating e.g. just turn it on (on a timer) and set the thermostat and the rooms quickly warm up.We bought our first home in the early 80's; it had a "heat pump". A central air conditioner that will operate "backwards", heating the home. Second home the same.
Our current home was an "efficiency" home and had "radiant heat" in the ceiling. Heating wires buried in the plaster ceilings everywhere but bathrooms; they had a small electric heater mounted on the ceiling. Presumably because of the humidity.
It was nice, even heat, but very expensive. When the air conditioner died I replaced it with another heat pump. MUCH cheaper to operate! We've never had a "ground effect" heat pump, but they make them and they are more efficient yet. Simply bury a long (100 meter?) pipe in the ground and run the "freon" through it to heat or cool it. better than air to air exchange. Or you can dig a well and pump water up to use that to heat and cool the coolant, returning the water to a second well.We bought our first home in 1978, just 12 months before we got married, and all it had was a coal fire with back boiler and a hot water tank (gravity fed heating); and shortly after moving in we had the radiators added to the system.
I’m familiar with ‘underfloor heating’, similar to the ‘radiant heat’ system described in your 2nd paragraph; looking on Google, around 8% of British homes have ‘underfloor heating’. A holiday (vacation) cottage we stayed at a few years ago had it, and as you say, “it was a nice, even heat”; but I understand, from what I’ve heard, is that, like you say, they are “very expensive” to run.
Air conditioning is something we don’t have in domestic homes in the UK; and ‘heat pumps’ are new to the UK, and currently controversial in that in the UK they are currently very expensive to get installed (albeit you can get 50% Government Grant for the installation), and it’s currently the heating system the Government is pushing (encouraging) people to have when their old gas boiler dies:
Because heat pumps are new to the UK, I, like most Brits, have little to no knowledge of what heat pumps are and how they work, and how effective they are in heating the home compared to full gas central heating – so there is a lot of suspicion and scepticism about heat pumps in Britain.
Therefore, I find your post, sharing your experience and knowledge, most encouraging, and greatly appreciate – Thanks.
As Brits begin to learn more about heat pumps they will perhaps start warming to them – And I’m sure, once the British market for installing and maintaining heat pumps becomes established, and with technological advances, that the installation costs will start to fall.
One interesting development is that in ‘some’ areas of Britain (the old coal mining areas) old coal mine shafts are started to be converted to be used as part of communal heat pump system for the local areas.
https://news.sky.com/story/gateshead-ab … s-13085012
About a quarter (25%) of British homes are close enough to old coal mine shafts to be able to be heated by communal heat pumps in this way e.g. filling the old coal mine shaft and tunnels with water, for the geothermal heat; and then having hot water piped to you home from the disused coal mine shafts; having hot water piped to your home although not done in the UK until now, hot water piped to homes (like electricity and gas is) is common in many EU countries.
Absolutely - what you say is spot on – thanks
We still do have a Muslim Mayor in London: Sadiq Khan (Labour Party), he’s been London’s elected Mayor since 2016 – re-elected in 2021 and again in 2024, the next Mayoral Election will be in 2028 – by which time Sadiq Khan will have been in Office for 12 years.
Sadiq Khan elected new Mayor of London 2016 (Labour Party (socialist) candidate and Muslim): https://youtu.be/ChY4nooWgGs
I wanted to emphasize something—I was trying to convey that your vote truly matters; it matters to you. I can see my context was not really spot on. Sorry
And he has been apologizing lately... I believe he admitted to making mistakes on Joe Rogan the other day... imagine that...
The world must be coming to an end right?
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I imagine that has to be a first for him. I don't trust people who won't acknowledge an error when it is clearly identified as such.
That is so sad that you interpret what that salon article says as reality...
Trump had strangled Iran economically, got a peace agreement, and de-escalated the conflict in Syria...
Biden has been a disaster, throwing billions at Iran, paying for hostages, fleeing Afghanistan... it is this Biden and Harris Administration that is allowing the massacre of millions, they are funding three world region massacres... in Africa, the Middle East, and Europe...
Yay for war and destruction... four more years .... four more years...It’s all a bit over my head as American politics seem somewhat different to British politics on this matter: However, putting my two-pennies worth in – I’ve worked with Muslims, have Muslim friends, and only just this last two weeks employed tradesmen to install our new whirlpool bath and shower; both the plumber and his plumber mate, and the electrician I employed to connect our new whirlpool bath to the mains power, happened to be Muslim – and they were all very hard and dedicated workers. Albeit the plumber’s English wasn’t that brilliant, and his plumbers mate didn’t speak any English – but they did an excellent job. The electrician spoke excellent English, so I'm guessing he was born in Britain.
In the past, when I’ve had tradesmen e.g. for the solar panels; reroofing our clay tiled roof; replacing the guttering; and double glazing installation – they’ve always been English workmen, and I’ve always enjoyed making them coffee so that they can have their regular coffee breaks – It gives me a chance to sit down and have a social chat with them.
However, the Muslim plumber and his plumber mate, and the electrician, never stopped for a break: They would arrive early, and work hard all day without a break – Very un-British.
This is the work they did for me: https://youtu.be/XOt5FB7DdHwHello, Arthur, it is always nice to have you drop by. The words from across the pond being a welcome oasis within a desert.
Immigrants here in Florida, many speaking Spanish and French creole, are no different than anyone else. They struggle to work and eke out a living as do the rest of us. They, most of the time, prove to be incessant in their pursuit of work and are quite diligent.
The evolved society of civility recognizes the fundamental equality of all people. We have not reached that in America as it is still mostly tribal.
Using "Democracy" as a shroud when we are really about Oligarchy of wealth and power by the few over the many being our main theme. Consider yourself fortunate as we about to be immersed into a deep hole for where there may well be no return. I read somewhere that John Barrymore, actor,(the great profile) just prior to his death in 1942, complained about the indiscriminate roundup of Japanese Americans as a national threat, saying "how is it that my gardener is a spy?" The Anti-Muslim feeling and hysteria about islamics and Muslims after 9/11/2001 was directed indiscriminately to all Muslim residents here, and the pressure was on.
Thanks for the photo. Fantastic job on the whirlpool bath installation.
In the face of a probable Trump regime, my wife and I are applying for passports.
In spite of all of our power and wealth, we Are fundamentally a provincial culture in our thoughts and ideas, not learning to judge a person by their character and actions over what they may look like.
I expect a precipitous decline in American fortunes and prestige around the world. And whether we like it or not, we brought it upon ourselves. So much for the idea that IT could never happen here..
All the best to you and yours.....Thanks – I’ll not be around on HP much for the next month or two as, as from tomorrow I start on my next major DIY project – A major makeover of our son’s bedroom.
Yes, what you say is the distinct impression I get of America e.g. that “it is still mostly tribal.” I fully agree with you, we are all human, and there should be a “fundamental equality of all people”; but I get the impression that many Americans fear ‘multiculturalism’.
Yes, what you say about "Democracy" in America being used “as a shroud” for “Oligarchy of wealth and power by the few over the many being our main theme” is the message that comes over load and clear on this of the pond e.g. the philosophy of “profit before people”, whereas in Britain, it’s generally the reverse - the philosophy in Britain is often “people before profit”
Yes, I do consider myself fortunate that we don’t have the direct threat of a Trump President; but following our experiences last time Trump was President, we are still fearful on this side of the pond of Trump gaining power again – Although, one consolation is that in Britain, after 14 years of Conservative rule, we finally have a socialist Government in power.
Similar to your “Anti-Muslim feeling” in America after the 9/11/2001 (in British English, 11/9/2001), in 2016 we had a spate of anti-immigration and anti-Muslim prejudice, incited by the ‘far right’ in their anti-EU propaganda campaign to dupe people into voting for Brexit – But fortunately, it was short lived.
I empathise with you and your wife getting passports in the event of the worse happening; since Brexit 160,000 English citizens, including my wife and son, have applied for Irish passports (dual citizenship), in The Republic of Ireland (southern Ireland) e.g. my wife and son qualified for dual citizenship because my wife’s father was born in Northern Ireland e.g. because the Republic of Ireland is in the EU it means they retain EU citizenship.
I know how you feel when you say “we (America) brought it upon ourselves”; that’s just the same in Britain with Brexit e.g. “we (Britain) bought it upon ourselves” – and now we have to live with the consequences.
You shouldn't leave 'open doors' like that. Just ask Credence2. In the vein of a joking quip, there's an American response to comments like yours:
"I'm not racist, I have a friend that's Black."
GAOnce again, is my name being used in vain? What open doors?
Nah, it wasn't used in vain, there's a long history of association; Cred speaks and doors open. Kinda like the 'No Time For Sergents' latrine skit where he makes all the toilet seats 'salute' when the Brass inspects his work.
*surely you remember 'Andy.'
GA ;-)
That's putting it kindly...
No privilege seen in Arthur's perspective at all
I think you’re reading too much into it: “I’m not racist”, I’m a vegetarian atheist Bristolian; our closest family friend is meat eating Catholic Priest born in SE England; Our neighbour (two doors up) is Chinese; my sister-in-law is black; my wife is half Irish (Irish being the butt of British jokes) and she’s also half Essex (Essex girls are also a butt of British jokes) – so a double whammy for her: I don’t see anything wrong with mentioning my multicultural and secular relationships in British society – so what’s the gripe?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … onary.html
https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/ot … rish-jokesDamn Arthur, It was a joke, a light-hearted quip.
It was prefaced with ". . . an American response," and there is an explanation, but if you didn't get it then explaining probably wouldn't help.
GAYep, my response was a bit facetious; but yep, American and British humour is different so translation can get lost across the pond.
Thanks; My wife loves the new bath, its doing wonders for her bad back - great hydrotherapy: And the chromotherapy (coloured LED lights) is very effective at relaxing you as well.
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