Trump leaves a wake of turbulence behind him and is still campaigning
More than 1,100 people have been arrested on charges related to the Capitol assault. Of those, more than 630 have pleaded guilty and at least 110 have been convicted at trial.
Five people including a police officer died during or shortly after the riot and more than 140 police officers were injured. The Capitol suffered millions of dollars in damage.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … &ei=815 people died after the riot, presumably all in DC. Doesn't seem unreasonable; if anything the number is low.
140 cops were injured in the riot. I flat do not believe that. According to CNN there were about 315 capital police one hand; I do not believe that half of them were injured. Unless that includes a mosquito bite, bumping into a wall on their own power and a blister from too new shoes?
But I DO believe the millions in damages. A pittance to what happened elsewhere, but still millions in damages.
But what does that have to do with Trump campaigning? Because he told the crowd to go peacefully and is therefore to blame after instructions and pleas were ignored?I must ask -- did you think he would not continue to campaign? He is running for the office of the Presidency. He is in no respect going to stop fighting.
He is holding his own in the polls. He has continued to pull in millions in campaign funds, and the GOP continues to support most likely due to the polls.
A rally for former President Donald Trump is making room for more attendees after seating for the event initially sold out.
The event, which will be held at the Monument in Rapid City, South Dakota, had its original 6,000 seats sold out in less than a week. On Monday, the state's Republican Party announced an additional 900 seats would be made available for those who missed out."
Did you think he would stop fighting? Curious.Correction: one person died, as a direct result of her choosing to enter the Capitol Building that day; Ashli Babbitt, a Trump supporter.
Keep on truckin' Trump; you've got yourself a convoy. It is growing by the day, because America is fed up with the b.s.
God Bless America!Now, now AB. You have to count the cop that died of a heart attack or some such, with the presumption that it was from stress from the riot. The other three - I don't know, maybe they were across town watching on TV and got too excited.
It's so sad that you dismiss like that what he (they) suffered that day. I hope that's only because of your willful ignorance, not reading, not watching. He suffered two strokes. Officer Fanone is the one that suffered a heart attack, and survived.
There were other Trump supporters who died that day too.
Kevin Greeson, 55, and Benjamin Phillips, 50, both died of cardiovascular disease.
Greeson’s wife, Kristi, stated that her husband “had a history of high blood pressure, and in the midst of the excitement, suffered a heart attack.”
Like Greeson, the D.C. medical examiner later determined that Philips died naturally of “hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease” — heart failure due to high blood pressure.
D.C. police also said on the day after the riot that Rosanne Boyland, 34, died accidentally of “acute amphetamine intoxication.”
With Babbit, 5 total. Plus the suicides that followed.The deaths and the suffering of the survivors is not being dismissed.
What is absolutely being dismissed is the idea that Boyland, dying of an illegal drug OD, is somehow Trump's fault. Or that a death from long term cardiovascular disease is Trump's fault. Or even that a rioter, engaged breaking and entering, scared a cop so much she was shot, is Trump's fault. Such ridiculous claims deserve to be dismissed out of hand and without any consideration at all of the claim made, that it was Trump's fault.
Or do you think Trump held Boyland down and forced amphetamines' down her throat?The number was in question. I merely informed you of who died that day at the Capitol. Trump supporters died becaused they wanted to follow Trump. I dont think their deaths are Trump fault.
Btw, "a death from long term cardiovascular disease"? SMH
Yes, you are dismissing it.*shrug* You are the one saying one person died after a "long term cardiovascular disease". All I did was question that Trump was being held responsible by that earlier poster who insinuated that he was. And that he was responsible for the 4 other deaths, including the drug OD.
She probably does...Trump is the Boogeyman, he is everywhere, stirring up crap, causing anxiety, suicides, drug use, alcoholism and heart attacks....he gets blame for it all!
What a crock and what a bunch of whiny babies we have in America today.
But they can whine, ignore their shortcomings and issues and blame somebody else --- in order to feel better about themselves.
I have brought up Ashli several times...they don't care, in their minds, she is the Devil's apprentice and deserved it.
I no longer recognize this country, nor the people who call it home.Damn right she deserved it. She chose to be a threat to our fellow Americans in Congress that day.
And people like Sicknick would have lived longer than the next day if Trump had not organized a rally, sent his people to the Captiol (without telling the police of that plan) and by using language contrary to peaceful marching such as 'you have to fight like hell or we won't have a country any more.' His words were reckless, police were injured, and lives were lost because of his actions - all based on an attempt to steal an American election.
And then we have to listen to people I feel are brainwashed to believe those lies defend an actual domestic terror attack on our own Capitol. I find people that would do that to be actual traitors to this country.How was she a threat to anyone?
She was a petite, unarmed biological female.If you shoot a robber breaking and entering through your window, how are they a threat?
Gotta go with Valeant on this one; anyone participating in a riot, violently entering a building with the crowd chanting to hang those inside, should be stopped at all costs. We have gotten to this point by molly coddling violent criminals; it is long past time to simply STOP them, whatever it takes.The Officer shot into the crowd, she was the unfortunate one who received the bullet.
She didn't "deserve it".
There is an officer doing twenty+ years for attempting to stop someone whom he believed to be a threat, who, unfortunately, died in the process.
There is such a double standard and I will not stay silent and glom onto the Ashli hate and the insurrection lie.Like I said, alternate reality.
The officer did not shoot into the crowd as this domestic terrorist was advancing the attack by climbing through the window when stopped. Make yourself a credible threat to our elected officials during a violent attack, and the police have their justification for using deadly force, absolutely.
The denial of an insurrection ignores the convictions for seditious conspiracy for multiple people now. The claim that he shot into the crowd ignores that Babbitt was advancing an attack. The claim that this was not domestic terror ignores the head of the FBI testifying under oath to Congress that this is exactly what this was.
I don't even need to hear the case of the officer you stated to know it's filled with false equivalencies to this situation.There's video of several Police Officers coming in behind the crowd, behind Ashli Babbitt, what if one of them had been hit by the bullet? They were right there, the first to respond to her when she went down.
It was an unnecessary, bad shooting.
She is not a martyr nor a hero in my mind, but neither is Officer Byrd
AB, I find it surprising to see what seems like a strong desire for conflict or aggression in some individuals on the left. To me, this observation speaks volumes about the current state of our society.
If aggression is laying out the facts for those trying to defend domestic terrorism or smear a police officer who has been exonerated, sign me up for the aggressive club, every day, all day.
Not the aggressive club, the narrow-minded club.
Really?
"And then we have to listen to people I feel are brainwashed to believe those lies defend an actual domestic terror attack on our own Capitol. I find people that would do that to be actual traitors to this country."
BRAINWASHED -- TRAITORS
I have become overly tired of seeing these vague insults. I find them harmful to healthy discussions, as well as precocious on the part of the poster.
In my view, Babbit appeared to be unarmed, and there were numerous law enforcement officers on her side of the door actively trying to pacify the crowd. It's noteworthy that none of the officers in close proximity to Ashli Babbitt deemed it necessary to use their guns. The officer who ultimately shot her was positioned on the opposite side of the door, in an empty hallway. In this hallway, there was only one other officer and a man in a suit, engaged in a calm conversation on his cell phone.
From this vantage point, she did not pose an immediate threat to Officer Byrd or anyone else. It raises questions about his decision-making process, as he had a clear view of the situation and opted to use lethal force. It's possible he acted out of fear or lacked proper training. Regardless, the conclusion remains the same: she should not have been shot, unequivocally.
Considering the chaotic events of that day, law enforcement officers were engaged in physical confrontations and found themselves outnumbered. Remarkably, none of these officers resorted to using lethal force, except for one. This action was unwarranted and should not have occurred.
My God, when will common sense kick in regard to this poor woman being shot?The video evidence contradicts your view as the police do not emerge from the stairway on Babbitt's side of the door until AFTER Babbitt is shot. As usual, changing the fact pattern to arrive at a false conclusion.
And her breaching that door absolutely endangered the Congress members evacuating behind Byrd. His decision making process was already concluded to be legitimate - by Capitol Police and the DOJ.
I'll just add another number to the people on here defending acts of domestic terrorism.Please view this video. It clearly shows minutes before Officers were in front of the doors where Babbit was shot --- They were trying to stop all from entering through those locked doors. They were speaking to the crowd -- the crowd overpowered them, and you can clearly see they stepped to the side and let the protesters attack the door. and Babbit was shot within a second of the two officers moving aside. They did not pull their weapons, they did not do anything to step in the way of the crowd but step aside. I don't make statements I can not confirm. Unless it is a view I am sharing. This video shows what was gong on prior to Babbit being shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldqDgTlOfq4Yes, I will concede that three officers were present and then moved back and are not in view when Babbitt is shot from an angle - which would have not put the officers in danger in any way, which was the initial claim.
Which this longer video shows no officers in the area when Babbitt is shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQaeg1d82LoI think our perspectives on the Babbit incident vary. When I observe the events, I can't help but notice the presence of violence and physical confrontations, yet none of the law enforcement officers resorted to using their guns. I don't possess the ability to discern Officer Byrd's thoughts or what he considered a threat in that moment, and I refrain from passing judgment on him. He is, after all, a human being, and subsequent investigations found that he adhered to his training.
Personally, I find it troubling that Babbit was shot, especially after reviewing multiple videos of the incident. Nonetheless, it occurred in the midst of a protest that had escalated into violence.
I question the necessity of casting judgment on either Byrd or Babbit. This was an extremely unfortunate and complex situation.Reasonable, and I will apologize for forgetting that the three police were initially at the door. At the point that Babbitt is shot, the three are gone and the guys in tactical gear haven't come up the stairway yet. So Byrd did not endanger any other officers.
I don't feel Officer Byrd is endangered by officers. It was clear to me they were not to be seen in the footage when the shot was fired.
As I said, I don't possess the ability to discern Officer Byrd's thoughts or what he considered a threat at that moment, and I refrain from passing judgment on him. He is, after all, a human being, and subsequent investigations found that he adhered to his training. In my view, he was scared and reacted out of fear.So, if I have this all straight now.....
Byrd knew that other Officers were near Babbitt, but had cleared out and that other Officers were coming in behind her, but were still far enough away to not get hit by his bullet....in the midst of all the chaos!?!?
If his mind was clear enough to calculate all of this, in a matter of a few seconds, in order to take a clear shot - why wasn't it clear enough to understand that she, Babbitt, was surrounded by Officers and, therefore, wasn't a threat?
Why did he take the shot?Because she advanced towards evacuating members of Congress and became a direct threat to their safety - something he had a sworn duty to protect. If she were alone, he likely could have attempted non-lethal force, but the mob had already violently overwhelmed hundreds of police outside, and allowing the group to advance that was outside that door would have meant some members of Congress would have been physically endangered.
Plus, from the angle and distance Byrd fired from, if he missed, he likely would have hit the wall.
you can clearly see they stepped to the side and let the protesters attack the door. and Babbit was shot within a second of the two officers moving aside. They did not pull their weapons, they did not do anything to step in the way of the crowd but step aside.
They only moved when were informed that the unit in tactical gear was coming.
I have followed this thread. I found the following statement aggressive, as well as baiting --- "And then we have to listen to people I feel are brainwashed to believe those lies defend an actual domestic terror attack on our own Capitol. I find people that would do that to be actual traitors to this country."
BRAINWASHED TRAITORS --- How dare you.
You frequently end your comments with personal digs.
I certainly can give incident after incident of this form of vague disparaging insult.How dare I have negative opinions about people that believe lies and attack police and our government based on those lies? I'll dare it because it is my opinion, and it's backed by the facts of the day.
And the same can be said of you in regards to the vague disparaging insults. Don't act all sweet and innocent of the same kinds of conduct.
I made a general statement that people who believe Trump's easily identifiable lies are brainwashed by the man. A view held by millions of other Americans. And those who defend acts of domestic terrorism against their own government are definitely traitors to their own country if they do so.
It is a good thing that you read his mind and checked his weapon to make sure he was not aiming at her when he pulled the trigger. Although I do not believe you did either...
Nor will I stay silent and still anymore as the left continues to coddle criminals rather than protecting us. It is far past time that the practice came to a screeching halt - we have become a nation of thieves, murderers, drug addicts and rapists as a result of liberal policies that do not even pretend to provide security and justice to those of us that follow the law."we have become a nation of thieves, murderers, drug addicts, and rapists as a result of liberal policies that do not even pretend to provide security and justice to those of us that follow the law."
Very true --- do you see any threads here posted on that subject? It would seem these kinds of liberal policies are not only adding to the deaths of many innocent citizens, but they seem to have little interest. I certainly do not see anyone in Washington tackling the problem. As you see many in our society would rather chase old and new Trump accusations.
I would think all of what you mentioned is a part of our new world. So, it would seem we need to accept it and live with it. Perhaps until we get someone in the White House who is willing to tackle these horrific problems. One can move to a safer location, or live in a war-type zone.
We the People just have no real voice at this time, in my view. We will have a voice in 2024. Hopefully, more opt for change.I wasn't there, but eyewitnesses have made statements that he was shooting from an odd angle and could have easily hit someone other than Ashli; you are convinced he shot his target and had every right to do so. We just disagree on this, as we have on many other things and that's fine by me.
That day isn't black and white, there's a lot of grey!
For a so-called conservative to agree with the likes of Valeant is truly unfortunate.
That’s the problem with Rhino’s.
Take heart, AB. Better informed people (mostly minorities) are waking up.
Well, that’s a disgusting statement. But good on you for earning “street cred” with the Trump haters. You go!
What? You think coddling criminals has helped the crime scene, with fewer people getting hurt or property destroyed? Do you believe that asking a rioter to "Pretty please, do not burn down my store" will make them back off?
Or has our refusal to STOP criminal activity when found in action resulted in more and more crime, with more and more people being hurt?
Trump admits he lost the election.
The former president said he didn’t listen to his attorneys who told him he had lost the election because he didn’t respect them and that he “respected many others that said the election was rigged.”
“I was listening to different people, and when I added it all up, the election was rigged,” Trump told NBC’s Kristen Welker.
He added, “You know who I listen to? Myself. I saw what happened.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/17/politics … index.html
First Proud Boy sentenced to 17 years in prison after seditious conspiracy conviction
Proud Boy Joe Biggs on Thursday was sentenced to 17 years in prison, the second-highest sentence handed down to anyone convicted in connection with the Capitol attack. Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes was sentenced in May to 18 years in prison, the highest sentence tied to Jan. 6 to date.
Biggs was convicted of sedition and other serious felonies earlier this year after being accused of leading members of the right-wing extremist group to the Capitol and talking with the first rioter to breach police barricades just minutes before he acted.
The other Proud Boys will be sentenced later this week. Rehl’s sentencing is scheduled for Thursday afternoon, while defendants Dominic Pezzola and Ethan Nordean are set to be sentenced Friday.
Tarrio — the group’s former national chairman who prosecutors say influenced others to “organize and execute the conspiracy to forcibly stop the peaceful democratic transfer of power” — is scheduled to be sentenced next week.
Trump and the Proud Boys became linked after the former president urged them to “stand back and stand by” during his first debate against President Biden after being asked to denounce the group.
During their trial, the five Proud Boys defendants often suggested Trump was responsible for the riot at the Capitol that day — not them.
“It was Donald Trump’s words, it was his motivation, it was his anger that caused what occurred on Jan. 6,” Tarrio attorney Nayib Hassan said in closing remarks of the trial.Proud Boys, Tarrio Sentenced to 22 years and Trump Still Gets Away Clean
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fo … &ei=81
The Capitol question, is one thing I disliked about Trump. But let's see how he can surmasault the challenge. Who placed a curse or a ban on Trump, not to run for the presidency?
If Trump accepted that he lost the election and there was a peaceful transfer of power to the duly elected president, there would be no Jan. 6. There would be no defamation of character for the mother and daughter who were legally counting ballots. There would be no Georgia phone call. There would be no RICO charges for Trump and his 18 conspirators.
All you Trumpers think that just because he is campaigning and is gaining momentum in the polls, he is innocent. That's right out of Trump's mentor Roy Cohn's playbook, "Never admit guilt no matter how deep in the muck you get...deny, deny deny."
Wake Turbulence is a aviation term. When a plane is following too close to another airplane and they are about to land, the lead plane creates wake turbulence for the plane that is following. If they are too close, it can cause the second plane to lose control and perhaps crash. That is precisely what Trump is about, he can always land his plane successfully, but he creates wake turbulence for everybody who follows him, The Proud Boys, The Oath Keepers, all his co-conspirators, et al.
He holds sold-out rallies and his supporters have a grand old time. Most of them don't even know or care about his four indictments where people have gone to jail just because they followed too close to his wake.
Now his co-conspirators are trying to get the trial changed to a federal court. Again, that is right out of Trump's playbook to delay as long as you can.
If Trump and they were innocent, they wouldn't even be using these tactics.
Hello Mike,
You are wasting your time. I stopped arguing with these people a long time ago. Remember what Trump said during the 2016 election that he could shoot someone in the middle of Broadway and 42nd St. and his followers would still vote for him? I am paraphrasing here but I am sure you remember him saying this. This is one of the few statements he has made that are true.
Another bit of historical information we must remember is that when Trump was running against Hillary Clinton he said that if he lost the election it would be because it was rigged. He then went on to lose the popular vote by two plus million votes but won the electoral college. Anywhere else in the world he would have been relegated to the bins of history. Unfortunately, this country is not as democratic as we tell ourselves.
Also, as you might have seen or read in the news, Roger Stone was caught on video prior to the 2020 election explaining how he was proposing to claim the election was rigged in case of a Trump loss. This claim that Trump has made and has sold to his most ardent supporters was always a fallback plan in case he lost - just as in 2016. As you know this claim is common among dictators and political malefactors worldwide.
Trump is being accused of attempting to overthrow the lection. I am willing to wait for the legal system to make it to the end. Innocent or guilty, the rule of law must take precedence. No one is above the law.Ah, yes, the alternate reality that she was just a lone woman climbing through that window and no one else was around. Or that she was a robber and not part of a violent mob. Just the latest changing of facts and alternate reality to sell a false conclusion.
Together, with the group she was with, a group that had already violently attacked police, that group was a clear threat to the evacuating members of Congress directly behind the police. A group that could be heard yelling 'hang Mike Pence' (with an actual gallows constructed outside the Capitol). Which is why two separate reports have found the use of deadly force more than justified.
You guys keep clinging to the denial of these basic facts to defend this act of domestic terror. What should we call people that try and defend domestic terrorism?All those dead, imprisoned, convicted, this are all unfortunate scenario.
Fine, then I should probably report you for referring to me as a domestic terrorist++++++
But, I will not, because I value our Rights and our Freedom.You lump conservatives or people just trying to have the big picture seen, in with the crowd who took things too far....
all the time!!!!
With your "traitors", "brainwashed", "insurrectionists", "domestic terrorists"....comments.
Don't play Mr.
innocent victim now!!!If you attack your own Capitol based on lies of a known fraudster, pretty sure brainwashed fits. By attacking your own Capitol at the exact moment that Congress is certifying the transfer of power, that makes you an insurrectionist. If you attack police and make violent threats against Congressmen and Congresswomen, that makes you a domestic terrorist. And those that defend the people that took those actions, I feel they are traitors.
If someone has a guilty conscience for fitting into any of those things, that's on them, not me.
Trump is paying the people behind that WSJ poll that says he is tied with Biden:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-poll-sho … 14227.htmlTrump wallops Biden among unlikely voters: poll !
"Former President Trump outperformed President Biden in a new survey of unlikely voters in a hypothetical 2024 presidential election.
The Suffolk University/USA Today survey, released Wednesday, polled 900 U.S. citizens ages 18 and older — about half of whom were registered to vote. While the poll found respondents preferred Trump over Biden, more voted for either “other” or “undecided.”
When asked for whom they would vote or toward whom they would lean at this time, 15 percent of the unregistered voters said Biden, 27.5 percent said Trump and nearly 28 percent said either “other” (5 percent) or “undecided” (about 23 percent). Another 8 percent chose Green Party candidate Cornel West, and about 7 percent refused to answer the question.
Among the registered respondents, when asked the same question, roughly 13 percent said Biden, 32 percent said Trump and, combined, just over 33 percent said either “other” (7.25 percent) or “undecided” (26 percent). A combined 3.5 percent of the same pool said either West or refused to answer.
Trump and Biden had similar favorable and unfavorable ratings in the survey, though the former president held a slight edge over Biden. Among all 900 respondents, Biden’s favorability was about 23.5 percent, while Trump’s was roughly 27.5 percent. The president’s unfavorability was 52 percent, while the former president’s was 49 percent.
The group of respondents was made of those ages 18-24 years (11 percent), 25-34 years (18 percent), 35-49 years (28 percent), 50-64 years (23 percent), and 65 or more years (20 percent). They were also roughly divided by region, separated by quadrants with 21 percent from the Northeast, 31 percent from the South, 22 percent from the Midwest and 26 percent from the West.
The party affiliations in the group were roughly equal between Democrat (14 percent) and Republican (13 percent), but most said they were independent (29 percent), something else (32 percent), or refused to answer (12 percent).
Among registered voters, about 17.5 percent said they voted for Biden in 2020, 23 percent said they voted for Trump and 54 percent said they did not vote.
The full group was characterized among those who said they were “not at all likely” (66 percent), “not very likely” (20 percent), or “undecided” whether they would vote (14 percent) in the 2024 presidential election.
Nonetheless, when asked whether there was anyone for whom the respondents would be certain to go to the polls to support, just under 8 percent said Trump. Only about 1.5 percent said Biden.
The poll was conducted via telephone Aug 19-27 and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 … ters-poll/I can't believe it, we are still hashing this out?
This Ashli Babbit is some sort of Joan of Arc or something?
When I think of all the young black women (Brionna Taylor comes to mind)slaughtered by police unjustiably when they were not involved in a siege of the Senate building, why Am I going to have all this sympathy for a white woman who was where she should not have been, doing what she should not have been doing?
So, you wanna know something? I don't want to hear it.Yes, could we not address all the crime that is plaguing our society today? I mean come on it is running rampant.
Why shouldn't Trump take a shot at the presidency again? Because of his many short comings? His supposed crimes against humanity? While, other presidential candidates are in a similar both with 'Fight on' Trump. Run, Trump, run.
'Fight on' Trump. Run, Trump, run.'
You are great! I love it.Miebakagh57:
Trump doesn't have crimes against humanity. He has crimes against the constitution and the democratic republic that this country is based on. He took an oath as president to protect the Constitution. Here is the oath:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
He violates the Constitution by tying to obstruct the confirmation, by the people of an already duly elected president. In addition, he and his 18 co-conspirators had plans to substitute a fake set of voting confirmations that showed Trump winning the election.
There are 19 indictments against Trump and his co-conspirators. Try not to lose the focus of what these indictments are about. Trump and his 18 co-conspirators tried to overturn the election of the duly elected president, by conspiring to steal it from Biden.
Each of those18 people were all doing their part in a common cause to get Trump illegally elected. The wake turbulence it caused is called an insurrection.
As the head of an insurrection, Trump should not even be running for president, according to the 14th, Amendment, Section 3. Here is the text:
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”PP, your last parag find me well. Why then did Congress failed to remove the 'disability' Trump, before he left office? Remember its the business of Congress to remove such disabilites, and not the Government.
Miebakagh57: I think you are misunderstanding what disabilities means in this case. The disabilities and disqualification are the same thing. If the amendment is acted upon, the person is disqualified from holding office. It is a disability to that person. However a two thirds vote by congress can remove that person from that disability.
https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendm … ion15.htmlWell said. While 2/3 was lacking. Why did they failed to see the disability?
I return momentarily to the thread subject --- "Trump leaves a wake of turbulence behind him and is still campaigning"
Yes, it's notable that Trump continues to actively engage in political campaigning, often connecting with the citizens who come out to see him. He seems to draw enthusiasm and motivation from his interactions with people. Wherever he goes, he receives a warm welcome and enthusiastic applause. This raises questions about the size and dedication of Trump's support base. The crowds he draws are huge at his rallies. It's fascinating to observe such unwavering support for a president, something quite unique in recent political history.
His persistent presence on the political scene must be a source of concern for Democrats in Washington and their supporters.
Donald Trump tailgates before Iowa-Iowa State game, crowd goes crazy as he walks into stadium - Trump tossed footballs outside the Alpha Gamma Rho agricultural fraternity house. The former President is attending Saturday's Iowa-Iowa State game, but he had to turn back the clock to the college days before the contest.
The game kicked off at 3:30 ET, so before the game, Trump had some time to pay a visit to the Iowa people. Trump, 77, was spotted flipping some burgers at a tailgate with some fans.
Upon entering the stadium, a humongous crowd gathered around him for some raucous "USA" chants. https://www.foxnews.com/sports/donald-t … o-stadium.Sharlee: I can't open the link for some reason. Here is my theory as to why Trump has a huge following. His actions, behavior, and words fulfill a need in his followers. It gives them purpose. His rallies give people purpose to have tailgate parties and celebrate the thinking of like minded interests. They love that he can throw a football and cook hamburgers. It is nothing more than kissing the baby in political campaign terms.
He is very entertaining. Intellectually he is not the sharpest pencil in the box. But that is O.K. with them because they see him as a successful business man who can communicate at their level, In my opinion, his followers are not the sharpest pencil in the box either.
The reason the paramilitary groups and others supported him on Jan. 6 is because it gave them purpose. They had been playing war games on their own for a long time and this gave them the reason to use all their toys and skill to defend Trump from the big bad government. Many other were just motivated by his crowd mania address.
All his co-conspirators also needed purpose. So they all worked in concert to stop the steal. But we all know that it was just the opposite. Trump and his company were trying to steal the election from Biden.
In my estimation, Trump is made of the right stuff to gather followers. He can't accept losing at anything. He is a master con-artist who suffers from deep narcissistic disorder. When he is attacked, he knows how to play the victim and he also knows how to attack. He presents everything to all his people about his positive deeds. Although, he has lied more times than there is sand on a beach, his followers don't care about any of that. They like him for being Trump. They could care less about his four trials that are pending.
He will never admit guilt, no matter how convincing the evidence is. That is why he campaigns, because he is in denial, even to himself. In his mind, he has done nothing wrong. That's his story and he is sticking to it.
He has made congressman who are part of any scheme they have participated in with him, beholden to him. They know he will black mail them and they will lose any votes from his base.
That is the wake turbulence that Trump creates. That's why I started this forum.Trump certainly fulfills a need in his followers. He appears to hear them and listen. So, yes, It gives them a purpose. At his rallies, he speaks to his supporter's interests and offers them a voice. Yes, they do love that he gets in a crowd and throws a football or flips hamburgers. Is it nothing more than kissing the baby in political campaign terms? Not sure about that. He is certainly not a typical politician. I can safely say none would have endured what he has, and still be standing.
And yes he is very entertaining. They see a successful man due to the fact he is successful. He communicates with ease, remains calm, is sometimes funny, and shows yes that he can communicate on all levels.
"In my opinion, his followers are not the sharpest pencil in the box
either."
So, you believe that roughly half of the country, is unintelligent? I personally supported him, and my education was of the highest quality. Thus, I have reservations about your viewpoint in that regard.
"The reason the paramilitary groups and others supported him on Jan. 6 is that it gave them purpose"
What should truly trouble you is that a significant number of Americans believe the nation is headed in the wrong direction, and they were willing to assemble at the Capitol to voice their concerns about an election. It's crucial to bear in mind that the majority of the rally attendees marched peacefully and subsequently departed without entering the Capitol. Above all, this should give you pause for thought.
In regards to Trump's what some call lies --- Many of these accusations were well twisted out of context, and many American's see through this kind of media ploy.
You are correct -- he will never not tell his truth. I have seen nothing of evidence being displayed as of yet.
I think this forum will be useful when the trials are being conducted.
.Sharlee:
"What should truly trouble you is that a significant number of Americans believe the nation is headed in the wrong direction, and they were willing to assemble at the Capitol to voice their concerns about an election. It's crucial to bear in mind that the majority of the rally attendees marched peacefully and subsequently departed without entering the Capitol. Above all, this should give you pause for thought."
It doesn't give me any pause for thought. The fact is on Jan. 6, Trump and his co-conspirators including the proud boys, oath keepers, et al tried to overturn an election of duly elected president. This should give you great pause. I know you are an intelligent person, but essentially, what you are trying to tell me is to look there, not here. And I refuse to do that.
As far as Trump's lies goes, they are fully documented on Politifact, including all four years of his term. Can you give me proof that his lies were twisted out of context?
"You are correct -- he will never not tell his truth. I have seen nothing of evidence being displayed as of yet."
I know you are smarter than this. You just used a double negative. Does that mean he never lies about his truth. Or that he never tells his truth?
"So, you believe that roughly half of the country, is unintelligent? I personally supported him, and my education was of the highest quality. Thus, I have reservations about your viewpoint in that regard."
All one has to do is watch those being interviewed in his rallies and you can draw your own conclusions. You are a devout conservative and I believe Trump is the lessor of the evils for you. You have disliked Biden from his beginning. Therefore Trump is better than any democrat, including Biden. .
According to your comments, he has caused your 401K to grow and that is very important to you. You believe that he is a great problem solver. I don't believe he is, but I do believe he has created great problems for himself and many others in this country, based on his ego and narcissistic behavior. I in no way want him to ever be president again and I want him to be accountable for all his actions that have caused this wake turbulence."It doesn't give me any pause for thought. The fact is on Jan. 6, Trump and his co-conspirators including the proud boys, oath keepers, et al tried to overturn an election of duly elected president. This should give you great pause. I know you are an intelligent person, but essentially, what you are trying to tell me is to look there, not here. And I refuse to do that."
I am not trying to persuade you to look here not there. I am simply pointing out what may have gotten us here, and where this all might be headed.
I remain concerned about the Jan 5th attempts to disrupt Congress while it was in session. What's even more noteworthy to me is how Trump has managed to maintain or even increase his support during these unusual times. Despite facing multiple indictments, he still commands a significant following. My point is that it seems many Americans remain frustrated with the existing political landscape. I, like many others, considered Trump to be a good president and felt optimistic about the direction of the country until the onset of COVID-19.
I believe Trump has retained the respect of a substantial portion of the population due to what they perceive as his effective leadership during his tenure. Moreover, I anticipate that many will once again vote for him, hoping he can address what they view as pressing current issues.
"As far as Trump's lies goes, they are fully documented on Politifact, including all four years of his term. Can you give me proof that his lies were twisted out of context?"
I hope you realize Politifact also has the many lies that Biden has shared.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l … =joe-biden
"Trump is the lessor of the evils for you."
This remains accurate, not only in 2016 but also in 2020, primarily because I was highly content with what I observed during his initial years in office and his handling of the unprecedented COVID-19 crisis.
" I do believe he has created great problems for himself and many others in this country, based on his ego and narcissistic behavior"
This could be true. However, I will wait until I have both sides of the story.
" You have disliked Biden from his beginning. Therefore Trump is better than any democrat, including Biden. ."
I thoroughly researched Biden, having lived through his many years in Congress, and I didn't find him to be presidential material, to put it mildly. I feel he has more than confirmed my view of him. However, I want to clarify that I'm not opposed to considering a Democratic candidate other than Biden. I approach each election with the same diligence, researching the candidates, evaluating my findings, and ultimately voting for the person I believe is the best choice. As an example, in the past, I voted for Obama in 2009 and then for Mitt Romney in 2012.
I viewed Obama as a decent individual, and saw him as honest and eloquent in his speech. However, I couldn't shake the feeling that he had taken on a role that didn't quite match his abilities. It often seemed like he was an inconspicuous president, operating somewhat below the radar."I viewed Obama as a decent individual. I couldn't shake the feeling that he had taken on a role that didn't quite match his abilities."
How did you find Trump's abilities to be a suitable match for the office of president? A string of bankruptcies, his bank account bolstered only by his inheritance, poorly spoken, an obvious embarrassing lack of understanding of basic government, raised with the silver spoon but understands the common man? A man with an observed character so abhorrent, so beneath the office of president but Obama was not up to the task?
Obama left with major accomplishments, Trump did not.
As a matter of fact, Trump's first two years were absolutely riding the success of the Obama administration.
Trump's one term in office literally has one major legislative accomplishment, the tax break for the wealthiest 1%. That didn't work out well for the majority of us.
https://apnews.com/article/3e265c4138d0 … 1818789734It's important to note that opinions on Donald Trump's use of bankruptcy laws vary widely, and whether you view his use of these laws as defensible or not depends on your perspective and the specific context you're considering. Here are some arguments that one could make in defense of Trump's use of bankruptcy laws: Trump utilized bankruptcy laws that are available to any business owner or entity facing financial distress. These laws exist to provide a legal framework for reorganizing and restructuring businesses when they face insolvency. Trump's companies filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which allows for a reorganization of debt rather than a liquidation of assets. He was operating within the bounds of the law.
I could argue that Trump strategically used bankruptcy as a business tool to protect and salvage his assets and investments. By employing bankruptcy, he was able to renegotiate debt terms, reduce his financial losses, and continue operating some of his businesses. When a business goes bankrupt, it often results in job losses. By choosing Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Trump may have been able to preserve more jobs within his companies.
Trump is known for his entrepreneurial ventures, and he is willing to take risks, even if they result in bankruptcy. Some would say this is a testament to his entrepreneurial spirit. Some may see this as resilience and ability to bounce back from financial setbacks demonstrating his determination and business acumen.
It is apparent in Trump's business practices despite several bankruptcies, he ultimately built a successful real estate empire, television career, and political following. One could argue that his use of bankruptcy laws was part of a larger, successful business strategy that should be commended.
I can only explain why I believed Trump had the qualities to potentially serve as a suitable president. He was remarkably outspoken and transparent, consistently sharing his views, even when they were unpopular and faced opposition. He possessed a natural sense of common sense and unwavering convictions. He displayed the courage to make decisions and stand by them, projecting strength when necessary. Despite seeking input from experts, he would ultimately form his own conclusions.
He exuded confidence and composure, never appearing flustered or perturbed when faced with challenging questions. He never shied away from confrontation and was compassionate when it was required of a president. He believed that challenges could be resolved and actively worked towards finding solutions for various issues. He appeared to genuinely enjoy interacting with people. I find him to be a very unique person.
I didn't observe a deficiency in basic government comprehension. In truth, I found his ability to navigate through significant gridlock and achieve notable results quite impressive. I highlighted many of his achievements in a previous discussion, so I don't want to reiterate them excessively. I must concede that he could come across as rather self-assured.
I've expressed my opinions on Obama. Aside from Obamacare, I didn't perceive many substantial accomplishments from his administration. I can't elaborate much further on my assessment of him.
While Trump might not have generated extensive legislation, I believe he achieved a great deal from my perspective.
In regards to His tax cuts
https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commenta … -cuts-paidFantastic assessment, Sharlee. Truth be told, I do not always read all of your posts, only because I am of the mindset that one can usually say what needs to be said (on a forum) within smaller soundbites, or two to three paragraphs. And your post are particularly long. No offense.
However, in this instance, your long post was fully justified and worth the read. My sense is that you like to be thorough, even if the Left could care less how many facts you present.
You defend your stance and your facts well. Those who have been thoroughly indoctrinated, mostly by the media, could care less.
Propaganda is a powerful tool. Democrats controls over 90% of the media and they use it mercilessly.
What amuses me the most is that they think our feelings are hurt when they refer to us as uneducated.
Apparently, they are not familiar with the term “useful idiots” and how it came to be.I just read her post and I agree Savvy. Some of Shar's posts are perfection. She could be a speech writer!
On the other hand, it's a good thing that I didn't have the ability to post until the following day, when I read P.P.'s post, wherein he insults the majority of this Nation. I had time to calm myself down, but also the darndest thing happened, in that exact moment!!
A friend posted the following on FB:
"Proverbs 15:1 a soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
How beautiful it is to stay silent when someone expects you to be enraged."
Wow!When someone poses a question to me, they've essentially invited me to share my thoughts, and believe me, I'll gladly oblige, right down to the finest detail. I've grown weary of the countless misconceptions perpetuated not just by traditional media but also by the realm of social media.
Yes, I've noticed that my comments tend to be quite lengthy, and I understand that not everyone here may have the time or inclination to read them thoroughly. I suspect this could be due to a couple of reasons. Either my posts make some individuals uncomfortable, or they have grown accustomed to receiving information in bite-sized soundbites or from media headlines. I've come to believe that this phenomenon contributes significantly to the polarization we see today.
It's true that my views and ideologies can make some people uneasy. I make an effort to express myself respectfully out of consideration for others, although this can be challenging when some are unwilling to acknowledge that we are all unique individuals with our own perspectives, which may differ from their own. It's peculiar how some individuals become uncomfortable when I don't align with their viewpoints.
Over time, I've become familiar with how most people on this forum tend to respond to my posts, and I'm confident enough to say that I believe I've gained insight into the thought processes of many members here. I genuinely appreciate your honesty and commitment to maintaining integrity in your discussions. It seems we share similar ideologies and are on the same wavelength, wouldn't you agree? I always find reading your posts to be a pleasure.Sharlee: All that happy talk is really good and very impressive. But it does not negate the fact that Trump and his 39 co-conspirators tried to overthrow the government just because your wonderful former president could not accept the fact that he lost to a duly elected president. In addition he failed to provide a peaceful transfer of power to the next duly elected president.
How can such a wonderful former president like Trump end up in such a state? I know he did nothing wrong. It's all those mean democrats fault who don't want him re-elected. They have weaponized the courts against him. Unless we forget here are his four indictments.
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne … ndictmentsInitially, I was responding to a comment directed at me by Savvy. I made an effort to clarify why I tend to provide lengthy responses when someone asks me a question.
I could imagine that some people might describe it as "excessive happy talk." However, as I mentioned earlier, while some individuals prefer concise answers, I personally opt to offer more comprehensive explanations of how or why I arrived at a particular perspective. I tend not to follow the crowd, as I consider myself an independent thinker who values common sense and well-informed insights, rather than making hasty judgments about others.
Regarding your perspective on Trump, I provided you with an extensive explanation of my thoughts on the matter. I'm uncertain as to why you find it necessary to repeatedly voice the same accusation. Thus far, we haven't witnessed any concrete evidence supporting the numerous indictments that have been mentioned. Nonetheless, it's evident that you hold a strong conviction of his guilt. This is your right, but it's important to acknowledge that our viewpoints on this matter do not align.
It's clear that many individuals in our society share your perspective. However, I am not part of that particular group.Sharlee: I'm sure that when we respond to a comment. It is not only read by the person that it is address to, but to others on that thread. It is in that light that I write my comments. They are meant for others as well, be they Trump supporter or not.
I was only pointing out the context of the comment you replied to. Nothing more than that. I certainly jump into conversations frequently and never have a problem when others do it.
Just hoped to clarify the context of the conversation I was pursuing with Savvy. After all, I was addressing a comment she left me.
And in turn, I addressed your comment, which was altogether another subject. Which I addressed.
Regardless of speculation, these co-conspirators were convicted in a court of law.
"All that happy talk is really good and very impressive. But it does not negate the fact that Trump and his 39 co-conspirators tried to overthrow the government just because your wonderful former president could not accept the fact that he lost to a duly elected president. In addition he failed to provide a peaceful transfer of power to the next duly elected president"Except that there was no evidence that they were "co-conspirators" of Trump at all. That comes purely from your own imagination and desire to convict Trump of something, anything, whether guilty or not.
Just as quick as you are willing to absolve Trump of any and everything in the face of 4 indictments and numerous criminal charges?
Sorry, I haven't "absolved" Trump of anything at all; at most I will tell you to wait for a conviction. That indictments and charges are NOT proof of guilt.
And I do it even as I recognize that to you they ARE proof of guilt; no trial, no jury of peers, is necessary for you to declare guilt. Cred, you have several times (as I recall) declared that to you he is not guilty until convicted...and go right back to assumption of guilt without a trial, just as you are doing here.
But calling you on such behavior is NOT absolving Trump of anything at all.I don't want a man with 4 indictments and numerous criminal charges being trusted to be Chief Executive Officer. To that extent, that goes for being innocent or guilty. We should not even dealing with people like this who soil the dignity of the Office of the Presidency.
Let's face it, Wilderness, even if he is convicted you will provide another set of excuses. I will watch for that.
In my humble opinion, of course....
I wonder if you have that same extreme "benefit of the doubt" attitude regarding Biden?And yet we both know that the rich and powerful get away with far more than we can, even while being charged for things that we never would.
I DO begin to find some small hope that that is perhaps, maybe, coming to an end as more and more of the powerful are facing charges. Yes, some of them are from the "me too" movement, which I find ridiculous, but many are not.
As far as I have not heard Biden has not been found guilty of anything but stupidity. Of THAT he is most definitely guilty, but it is not a crime."And yet we both know that the rich and powerful get away with far more than we can, even while being charged for things that we never would."
I and my ideology require that that be made more difficult rather than easy.
You should not receive preferential treatment just because you are wealthy. That is not the reality but it should be a driving tenet/objective within our legal system.
Well, to each his own. I find Trump to be just about the dumbest man on two legs.
Your observation regarding stupidity or lack thereof is purely partisan as I have partisan positions of my own, in that case.We agree that the wealthy should not have a "get out of jail free card".
Dumb people do not gain billions of dollars from their efforts.
Stupid people do stupid things to a country when President. As Biden has done, in spades."According to a New York Times report in 2018, Trump received at least $413 million (in 2018 prices) from his father's business empire."
So ,Wilderness he is not the "self made" man everybody is making him out to be, and had a head start most people could well have done better with, don't you think so?
413 million dollars is cushion for a lot of mistakes and opportunity to profit that has nothing to,do,with any innate ability on his part. He is dumb in the way he handled the classified documents issue.
Now his need is for control and acceptance and adulation since he already has the money....LOLOLOL So he took 413 million and increased it by a thousand times. But he's stupid, with a very low IQ. C'mon Cred; even you know better than that. Your desperate need to denigrate and insult the man is obvious, but most people see through the insults.
Do the math, a thousand times?
430 billion dollars, I don't believe that there is anyone on earth that wealthy. You also know that money makes money,
The man denigrates and insults himself with his own behavior, he needs no help from me. The arrogance, lack of wisdom and decorum does not promote him in my eyes, anyway.
He is simply not some sort of entrepreneurial genius, business magnate you are all saying he is. That is my point.Whups; you got me there. Back to kindergarten for arithmetic training!
Yeah, I know; he is not an entrepreneurial genius...because he is arrogant, has no wisdom (although understands far better the needs of our country than your hero, Biden, does), and has no decorum (in your opinion). Therefore he is stupid, with a low IQ.
You did not say he was not a business magnate, you said he was stupid. "I find Trump to be just about the dumbest man on two legs." was the comment."You did not say he was not a business magnate, you said he was stupid. "I find Trump to be just about the dumbest man on two legs." was the comment."
He simply makes trouble for himself, needlessly.
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From the Websters
It suggests dumb refers to "an exasperating obtuseness or lack of comprehension" while stupid refers to "a slow-witted or dazed state of mind that may be either congenital or temporary".
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When it comes to Trump, "dumb" is the right word and is more fitting than stupid......lI think we both know what you meant by "dumb"...and it wasn't lack of comprehension. But, from Mirriam Webster:
dumb
1 of 2
adjective
ˈdəm
dumber; dumbest
Synonyms of dumb
1
a
: lacking intelligence :STUPID
pretended to be dumb
b
: showing a lack of intelligence
asking dumb questions
a dumb look on his face
c
: requiring no intelligence
dumb luck
2
a
: lacking the human power of speech
dumb animals
b
of a person, dated, offensive; see usage paragraph below : lacking the ability to speak : MUTE
3
: temporarily unable to speak (as from shock or astonishment)
struck dumb with fear
4
: not expressed in uttered words
dumb grief
5
: SILENT
they were capable of sitting for hours, dumb and unabashed, over their pipes
—Ellen Glasgow
also : TACITURN
6
: lacking some usual attribute or accompaniment
especially : having no means of self-propulsion
a dumb barge
7
: not having the capability to process data
a dumb terminal
compare INTELLIGENT sense 3a
dumbly
ˈdəm-lē
adverb
dumbness noun
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumb
Of all the possibilities only 1a and 1b apply. Certainly he isn't speechlessI see, the comment was a direct question as the difference between dumb and stupid.
I am sure that he is intelligent in his own way, he just does "dumb" things that intelligent people would not do. For example, his attorneys say he is impossible to work with because he neither listens or decides to deviate from their advice. When you are intelligent enough to know that you need them but not take the advice you hired them for, is that not dumb?
Why needlessly stir up a hornets nest over classified documents when the protocol as to how they were to be handled was available to him before he left office? He let his ego and arrogance step ahead of common sense and has earned an indictment and demerit because of it. He could have simply acknowledge the mistake and return the documents, all of them, without the fanfare and drama. The idea that Donald J Trump can flout national authority because the rules are not to apply to him is a "dumb" idea and perspective, which brings him into the trouble of his own making.
The man is a both loathsome and an undesirable example of humanity at its worst.It's easier for him and his followers to be in denial about him doing anything wrong. It make him and his followers feel good if they can stay in a state of denial.
If he and they had to really face the truth and facts about the four indictments, they would feel bad and they don't want that. Therefore, he campaigns l ike nothing is wrong and they believe him. The other reason he is campaigning is if he is elected president, he thinks he can absolve himself and all his co-conspirators of all charges.
I personally feel, he does not deserve to be president of anything for what he has done to this country and its people. Again, it's the wake turbulence effect.LOL I worked for years with people that did not take advice from the expert in the area. That is not an indication of lack of intelligence; it is from pride or an overly large ego.
I also have lived (and continue to live) around people that consistently do anything they want to and think they can get away with.
I would agree that he is an undesirable example of humanity, but hardly the worst of the lot. There are people out there, lots and lots and lots, that are far worse than Trump is and has done far, far worse than he has."I would agree that he is an undesirable example of humanity, but hardly the worst of the lot. There are people out there, lots and lots and lots, that are far worse than Trump is and has done far, far worse than he has."
True, But the standard for one aspiring for nation's highest office needs to be far better than merely not being the worst amongst the worst.
Not just in America. In Nigeria, such a president has done worst for 8 years. Seriously, Nigeria, which was the giant of Africa, because of her crude oils and and refineries, can't produce dissel fuels, petrol for cars, and kerosines, for the past 8 years. Critically, and oddly, the then past president, a retired military General, in the person of Muhamadu Buhari, behave both dumb and stupid with his grief of 'walahi', a cry of surprises, when Nigeria, was being wrecked under him by certain cabals. That said, majority of the people just can't eat one square meal a day, nor the normal daily staple meal.
Even Biden has not been able to come very close to what is happening the in the worst areas of the world.
The sad thing now is that many unemployed youths began to steal and refined crude oil, that when use for domestic purpose, eg kerosind cause fire and borns on properties and persons.
To your last paragraphe, I do give the benefit of the doubt to biden. Yea, I've read many negative all things biden, when the old joe, is gunning for the presidency. OMG were in the post-pandemic era. Otherwise, biden destroy the USA economy.
Cred
"Regardless of speculation, these co-conspirators were convicted in a court of law."
I believe you're referring to individuals who were convicted in relation to the January 6th protest that escalated into violence. To the best of my knowledge, none of these convictions were directly linked to former President Trump, nor did any of the individuals claim to have conspired with him.
In regard to Trump, is he not innocent until proven guilty?
OMG is that Peoplepower speaking, or someone else?
Thank you. I do not see where long posts make anyone uncomfortable, but perhaps you see something I do not see.
In marketing, soundbites are effective. People listen. I have no problem with soundbites if they speak the truth.
This is why music is so popular. It says what needs to be said in a few words.
I fully respect that you prefer to be thorough. You must have been an excellent nurse.
Sharlee: "I hope you realize Politifact also has the many lies that Biden has shared."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l … =joe-biden
Now we play the "What about Biden Game."
So you think Trump has taken on a role that matches his abilities? The only ability Trump has is as a narcissistic master con-artist to keep himself out of jail for all the wake turbulences he has created. But hopefully his time is coming.
I believe he can only ignore these four indictments for so long. Once they go to trial his game is up. His niece who is a clinical psychologist says he is just a little boy who has been given privilege with his daddy's money and once he realizes he has no other cons left he can pull he will give up.
https://youtu.be/u5HubjADc7Q?si=rO5ufubXo9bGFfOS"Now we play the "What about Biden Game."
Indeed, we find ourselves in a position where we must engage in this comparison since he is a candidate for the 2024 election. Although it may appear contradictory, it's essential to participate in this process, even if it challenges our comfort zone. It's a matter of fair play at this point.
I believe it's unproductive to engage with what seems to be a rant about Trump.
In my opinion, if I may be so bold, after my recent banning.....
Proud, hard-working, patriotic, sports loving, God-Family-Country-loving EVERYDAY PEOPLE, support Trump!
He doesn't represent the status quo (D.C. swamp) he doesn't come off...as so many on the left, in particular, come off:
angry
condescending
Pompous
Better-than-thou
smarter-than-thou
holier-than-thou
He is relatable; as we saw yesterday, as we have seen at his many rallies.
He too loves America!
He too understands the many opportunities/avenues, the American dream possesses, and he
isn't working to destroy it!
He doesn't live to fundamentally transform the United States of America, he builds up, rather than tears down.
He sees our true potential, not just the warts!!
The logo born out of that...reflects that, it lives on, it's not going anywhere ----"Make America Great Again"!
MAGA Baby....you get it or you don't!ab: I get you and others like you MAGA babies. Your comments just made my point. It's much easier to ignore that he has swept a multitude of people into trails, jails, indictments all because he cannot accept losing an election to a duly elected president.
It's much easier to believe he just loves America as you do and he is and represents the common man...So you just continue to wrap yourself around God and Country because you think he and others like you are the true Americans, while the rest of us belong in the DC swamp.Does not Donald Trump accept defeat under Obama? Just asking.
You have the freedom to choose where you belong....at least at this moment in time, you do!
ab: Thanks for giving me that right., although you are implying it is only temporary and for the moment. What do you see a big bad tyranny conspiracy, if Trump is not re-elected?
Apparently, suggesting narrow-mindedness, when one refuses to look at the big picture of Jan. 6th, 2021, is a no-no. {shrug}
....and you've never questioned any of this, from day one?
ab: Here is your Trump Derangement Syndrome.
It all sounds bull-shit to me. Trump will never own up his many lies mistakes. His lawyer will not let him to either. And Trump, always swallow all, hook and sink. And now the tide reverses. What would have happen? OMG is Trump, now likely in the Morris Cerellus pentecostal circle? Good luck to him.
I don't understand your last sentence. Please explain. It's hook, line, and sinker, which refers to fishing equipment. The fish swallowed, the hook, the line, and the sinker. The sinker is the weight at the end of the line.
I say yes to your last paragraph and sentences. I'm a fisherman, and here honestly my rote, while scribing failed me. Honestly again, my last sentence aullude a big American Evangelist and preacher. The question is, is Trump, now making a u- turn from the traditional Christian Church to the new Charistmatic Church, due to his more than 90 indicwents?
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