In an interview that aired on Sunday’s Meet the Press, Trump gave his usual bluster and ignored some important facts...
13,099 Murderers...
Trump claimed that the U.S. had “13,099 murderers released into our country over the last three years” who were undocumented immigrants. That claim is false.
Trump may have pulled that number from a letter the deputy director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) sent to Rep. Tony Gonzales that listed “the number of noncitizens on ICE’s docket convicted or charged with a crime.”
On the letter, ICE lists 13,099 non-citizens who had been convicted or charged with homicide who are living in the U.S. and who are on ICE’s “non-detained docket,” but those numbers are from not just the Biden administration but all administrations over the last 40 years, including Trump’s. Plus, not all of those people listed are walking free. The list includes those who are currently in jail or prison but who are not being held in immigration detention.
Welker confronted Trump with that fact, saying, “The 13,000 figure I think goes back about 40 years.”
“Nope. No it doesn’t,” Trump said. “It’s within the three-year period. It’s during the Biden term. No, that was a fiction that they put that out. This was done by the border patrol. It’s 13,099 and it’s during the Biden period of time. And these are murderers, many of whom murdered more than one person. You don’t want those people in this country.”
Blatantly lying or he just doesn't know the facts?
Trump went on to claim that prisons in Venezuela are “at the lowest point in terms of emptiness that they’ve ever been,” implying that those criminals are coming to the U.S.
But FactCheck.org writes, “Experts in and out of Venezuela told us there is no evidence to back up Trump’s claim. Reported crime is trending down in Venezuela, though not nearly as dramatically as Trump claims, but crime experts in the country say there are numerous reasons for that and they have nothing to do with sending criminals to the U.S.”
And he went on...
“I Am the One That Saved Obamacare”
Trump repeated a false claim that he said during the presidential debate, alleging that he “made it so that it (Obamacare) works” and said, “I am the one that saved Obamacare.”
But as president, Trump tried to repeal and roll back the Affordable Care Act through multiple channels, including executive action, lawsuits, and Congress.
On day one of his first administration, Trump signed an executive order that stated: “It is the policy of my Administration to seek the prompt repeal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.” The order also told government agencies to “exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation” of parts of the ACA that constituted a burden. He also cut $90 million in funding for promotion of ACA enrollment and decreased funding by nearly half for people who helped others sign up for ACA coverage.
He then supported legislation, the American Health Care Act, that would repeal ACA subsidies. Trump even complained during the Meet the Press interview that Sen. John McCain was part of the effort that stopped that bill from passing in the Senate. “So, when John McCain let us down by voting, and Murkowski and Collins, and whoever it was that voted against, but they really let us down,” Trump told Welker.
The Trump administration also joined with 18 Republican state attorneys general to legally challenge the ACA, but the Supreme Court ruled they lacked standing to sue.
Trump has vowed to replace the ACA with his own healthcare legislation but stuck with his line that he only has “concepts of a plan” to do so.
“Yes. We have concepts of a plan that would be better,” Trump said on Meet the Press, adding, “Because Obamacare stinks. It’s lousy..."
Still won’t concede 2020...
Welker asked Trump directly, “For the sake of unifying this country, will you concede the 2020 election and turn the page on that chapter?”
But Trump refused. “No. No, why would I do that?” he said.
Welker pushed back, asking, “Sir, Democrats have control of the White House now. They didn’t in 2020. If they are going around stealing elections, why didn’t they do it this time… So why didn’t they steal this election? Since they have more power now?”
“Because I think it was too big to rig,” Trump said. “It was too big to rig.”
But Trump didn’t think his victory would be “too big to rig” throughout the campaign, including when he falsely claimed less than a week before the election that “We caught them CHEATING BIG in Pennsylvania. Must announce and PROSECUTE, NOW!”
And yes...there remains no evidence of widespread fraud during either the 2020 or 2024 presidential elections.
Birthright citizenship...
“We’re going to have to get it changed. We’ll maybe have to go back to the people,” Trump said in an interview with NBC’s Kristen Welker on that aired Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “But we have to end it.”. Lol vowing to to end the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of citizenship to American-born children.
“We’re going to end that, because it’s ridiculous,” Trump said. “We’re the only country that has it, you know.”
Wrong, sir. Just wrong. More than 30 other countries recognize birthright citizenship.
Lying? Or just woefully unaware of most facts?
Tariffs...
Trump misconstrued the potential economic realities of tariffs, the taxes charged to importers on goods coming into the U.S. from abroad. They are a central part of his economic policy.
“I don’t believe” that tariffs are paid for by consumers, he told Welker when pressed on that fact. He also argued “they cost Americans nothing.”
But American consumers paid hundreds of dollars each year in higher costs as a result of the tariffs Trump enacted in his first administration, according to one analysis from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
According to most economists, corporations typically pass these import taxes on to consumers, leaving Americans to pick up the tab .
He also falsely claimed that European nations “don’t take our cars, they don’t take our food product, they don’t take anything.”
Europe is the United States’ second-largest car export market and American goods exported to Europe totaled almost $415 billion in 2023.
https://www.acea.auto/fact/fact-sheet-e … cle-trade/
Additionally...He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficits with Canada and Mexico as $100 billion and $300 billion, describing the figures as a subsidy. The trade deficit in goods and services was $41 billion with Canada and $162 billion with Mexico; a deficit simply means that one country’s consumers are buying more from the other nation, not giving money away.
He also falsely claimed that “crime is at an all-time high.” It is not..
In New York City, the homicide rate increased slightly in 2023 compared to the previous year, continuing a trend of gradual rises since 2021. While overall crime rates dropped in many areas of the city, homicides saw a 23% increase between 2022 and 2023
NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- The NYPD released some statistics about safety in New York City during 2023.
The number of murders and shootings in the city both decreased last year and are continuing to track downward following the pandemic.
New York City had 386 homicides last year, according to new NYPD data, an 11.9% decrease from 2022.
https://abc7ny.com/nypd-crime-shootings … /14259597/
https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p000 … statistics
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2 … rs-in-2023
"President-elect Donald Trump issued a warning on Sunday to Congress members who served on the House select committee who investigated the January 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol riot, saying they "should go to jail."
In his interview with NBC News' Meet the Press, the president-elect told host Kristen Welker that "[Representative Liz] Cheney...[Representative] Bennie Thompson, and everybody on that committee...should go to jail."
Welker then asked, "So you think Liz Cheney should go to jail? Everyone on the committee you think should be in jail?"
The president-elect responded, "I think everybody...Anybody who voted in favor."
Dear leader is on a revenge and retribution tour for sure... Biden needs to bring on the preemptive pardons. Maybe he should take that new presidential immunity rulling out for a spin too.
Personally I think Biden should pardon the entire nation from any action Trump might take. He should also make it illegal for Trump to do anything but eat and sleep while he is in the White House, locking the doors while Trump is inside for the next 4 years.
There! Problem solved and Biden is a hero! That he is outside the Constitution shouldn't matter; he's been outside it for years now.
No concern with all of his misinformation during his interview today?
You've been here on this forum for 16 months.
You've never written a single article.
It makes me wonder about how close your relationship is to the democrat party.
No concern for the abundance of misinformation, disinformation and exaggeration during Trump's interview with Welker?
It's more like correction than deflection. Your crack about writing articles was the real deflection. It had nothing to do with the thread or topic.
GA
It has everything to do with motivation to be on the forum.
Then start a thread on it instead of attacking the messenger. You could even ask that only published hubbers participate.
Even better, run a poll on who thinks only published authors should be allowed to participate in these forums.
GA
On that note, I haven't published anything since 2017, even though I just had my anniversary for 14 years as a member here at HubPages. That is longer than 16 months. What does that mean?
I'll go with the unmentioned option.
I'll ignore you.
That works. You had that option from the start.
GA
To be fair Mike, you can choose not to engage...
Anyone that posts here that you want to ignore, just ignore them.
The threads now are mostly about nothing... complaints based on what someone on Salon or MSNBC typed or said... nonsense... we haven't gotten to Jan 20th yet, there is no reason to spend every day talking about Trump... some people can't help themselves.
There are real... bigger than at anytime in our lifetimes... problems in our world today, many of the problems created in the last 4 years by some very powerful forces arrayed against America.
We are in a World War... no doubts now... could have been avoided, but not with the current people running the nation, they went looking for it.
We have China dominating global trade and Russia and Iran fighting America across the globe in various regions while China just gets stronger.
BRICS is developing well and now has more global support than America and the West... we are destroying ourselves with endless wars and open borders and senseless spending sprees by a corrupt Congress.
Things like this are occurring everywhere... within a few years America will be playing a distant second fiddle to China:
How Chinese automakers took over Mexico's car market & shocked America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aitlix5WYqY
Pardons for these folks...
https://x.com/mjfree/status/1865735182713586101
No, no pardons for any of them. They weren't patriots, they were a mob.
GA
I have heard that many of those in jail today never entered the Capitol Bldg, they remained outside, I think it would be fair to have an impartial body look at who has been jailed and why.
Clearly many of those convictions were politically charged... just like the NY cases brought against Trump in NY were politically motivated.
Willow and Credence are clearly going to have their days consumed with all things Trump for the next 4 years... if there are a next 4 years...
Syria is now under Turkish and/or rebel control... who knows what that will devolve into... Russia is using harder hitting weapons and tactics on Ukraine... Jan 20th still seems a long ways off...
Willow and Credence are clearly going to have their days consumed with all things Trump for the next 4 years... if there are a next 4 years...
Probably yes. Probably in the same manner that most folks here have dissected Biden's every utterance and move and put him under a microscope daily...yeah. just like that.
Yeah, just like that, Willow. The man will not find a moments peace away from my sharpened quill.
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump said he can't guarantee that his promised tariffs on key U.S. foreign trade partners won't raise prices for American consumers and he suggested once more that some political rivals and federal officials who pursued legal cases against him should be imprisoned."
https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-says- … 17240.html
Funny how Trump and Trumpets attacked Biden incessantly over inflation, while Trump now says he will not take responsibility if it increases. And who is stupid enough to announce that he would use Govermnent agencies to pursue his vendettas against people doing their jobs?
Well... at least I, and many others who were not Biden supporters, waited until he became President... and even then we were pretty neutral...
Until Afghanistan, inflation, and the change in border policy gave us something concrete to complain about.
Honestly, I don't think you guys ever stopped complaining about Trump...
"Honestly, I don't think that you guys ever stopped complaining about Trump"
And you know what? He is an abomination in my opinion, who provides fresh complaint material daily. I expect that I complained about his past and present and anticipate complaining about him in the future if he so much as slightly deviates out of line.
Trump (and all other Republicans) will always deviate out of line. Because if he/they don't you will move the line until they have.
He may be an abomination...
He is a product of your (and all those on the Progressive/Left_Wing) creating him into an abomination... partly...
If Trump had been left to scream into the wilderness after departing in 2020... he may have faded off into the sunset... or at least lost the 2024 election...
But those who have TDS, including the majority of the MSM, and many Progressive politicians, never let it go... they kept him in the news every day, they worked the DOJ to get him banned from ballots or convicted of felony charges that no-one had ever been convicted of for a crime he was never convicted of... they made it so obvious how much he was hated, that everyone that has a problem with our government... with Open Borders... with endless Wars... with out-of-control government spending which leads to inflation we all feel... they turned to Trump...
If for no other reason than the government that is stealing from them... and the media that is lying to them... hate Trump. And if they hate Trump... then that is a good enough reason to vote for him.
"But those who have TDS, including the majority of the MSM, and many Progressive politicians, never let it go... they kept him in the news every day, they worked the DOJ to get him banned from ballots or convicted of felony charges that no-one had ever been convicted of for a crime he was never convicted of... they made it so obvious how much he was hated, that everyone that has a problem with our government... with Open Borders... with endless Wars... with out-of-control government spending which leads to inflation we all feel... they turned to Trump..."
THEYnever let it go because Trump wouldn't shut up about the election theft schtick. He has fouled up and created disarray within our entire political system ever since he came down that accursed escalator. He is a classic criminal. As I will make clear in my commentary, when Trump introduces authoritarianism and tyranny to our government, "they" will turn away.
I can back off of "not for any of them" to exclude any that didn't breach, or cross any breached barriers, maybe. As one pundit mentioned, a case-by-case examination might be a legitimate option.
GA
Trump doubled down on his promise to pardon Americans jailed for their role in the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021
We’re looking at it, right now,” Trump said. “Most likely, yeah.”
Trump said those arrested had no other choice than to plead guilty. He said the ones who assaulted police officers “had no choice.”
First day, I'm looking first day. These people have been there — how long is it? Three, four years," Trump said. "They’ve been in there for years. And they’re in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn’t even be allowed to be open."
Sure does look like he's going to let these folks out. And the J6 committee will take their spots in jail.
"For what they did, honestly, they should go to jail," Trump told Welker
https://www.foxnews.com/media/donald-tr … rs-day-one
I was just wondering if you're aware of some of the sentences handed down to those involved in the January 6th riot. Do you think the punishment should fit the crime? Your comment seems to cover a wide range of protesters, but I've looked into several cases where individuals committed little to no crime yet received relatively long prison sentences just for being there. I could write a book because hundreds of participants of the riot are sitting in prisons that committed crimes that would not have even been charged under most circumstances. I will add one example. No need to beat a dead horse.
Eric Munchel, also known as the "zip tie guy" he was photographed carrying plastic handcuffs (zip ties)and a and carrying a Taser. during the January 6th riot, was sentenced to 2 years in prison. Munchel, who did not use the zip ties during the attack, was convicted of several charges related to his involvement in the Capitol breach, including obstruction of an official proceeding and unlawful entry.
Is it fair to blanket?
What were the sentences for the most violent of the "Patriots"? The ones who beat police officers with flagpoles and fire extinguishers, crushed the officer in the doorway? I believe there were concussions, rib fractures, the loss of an eye , burns...
These folks...
https://x.com/mjfree/status/1866466424174362841
I did back off of the 'blanket' any-of-them declaration. A "blanket" statement is almost always a bad choice. My thoughts on the matter caused me to forget. Oops.
I might look at exceptions if they didn't breach a barrier—or cross one. Your Zip-tie guy earned his sentence.
GA
Sorry, I didn’t notice your comment where you clearly backed off. I was too quick to jump the gun. Trump has emphasized that he would pardon individuals on a case-by-case basis, rather than offering a blanket pardon. There are certainly some who committed serious crimes and received sentences that were appropriate for their actions.
Source ---And he said at a May CNN town hall, “I am inclined to pardon many of them. I can’t say for every single one because a couple of them, probably, they got out of control.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … democrats/
As with all the speculations, we'll have to wait and see.
GA
Matilda the asteroid is 100 feet above the surface of the earth and heading in our direction. Is it speculation, in its normal meaning, that it will hit the earth? Do we have to wait and see?
Trump has already said he has no problem pardoning those who assaulted the police "because they were forced to do it"
Now, the one thing that supports your position is that Trump lies. he lies a whole lot, so it is easy to believe he is lying about pardoning all but a very few who "got out of control".
This sounds like he is going to pardon almost all of them. Maybe not the Antifa and gov't infiltrators he says were there.
"“I’m going to be acting very quickly. First day,” Trump said, saying later about their imprisonment, “They’ve been in there for years, and they’re in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn’t even be allowed to be open.”
Trump said there “may be some exceptions” to his pardons “if somebody was radical, crazy,” and pointed to some debunked claims that anti-Trump elements and law enforcement operatives infiltrated the crowd. Those, apparently, he won't pardon, lol.[i]
At least 1,572 defendants have been charged and more than 1,251 have been convicted or pleaded guilty in the attack. Of those, at least 645 defendants have been sentenced to incarceration ranging from a few days to 22 years in federal lockup. About 250 people are in custody, most of them serving sentences after having been convicted. A handful are being held in pretrial custody at the order of a federal judge.
Trump didn’t rule out pardoning people who had pleaded guilty, even when Welker asked him about those who had admitted assaulting police officers.
“Because they had no choice,” Trump said. " SO, he will pardon those that assaulted police officers. Why am I not surprised?
What a disgusting human being.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald … rcna183275
Do you think the punishment should fit the crime?
There are sentencing guidelines judges use in their decisions. If these folks were sentenced within those guidelines, how is there a problem?
Yes, and in many cases they did not use respect sentencing guidelines. You are always there to defend the undefendable. Good for you... Maybe have a look at the over thousand sitting in prisons before you defend the judge's decisions.
Approximately 944 defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 562 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Aug 6, 2024
Most committed no form of violence.
Early on, the majority of charges filed against the rioters were for disorderly conduct and unlawful entry.[12] Four years after the attack, about one-third of the defendants had been charged with assault on or interference with law enforcement officers.[13][14] Other charges include trespassing; disrupting Congress; theft or other property crimes; weapons offenses; making threats; and conspiracy, including seditious conspiracy.[15] Some criminal indictments are under seal. Some convicted rioters received a sentencing enhancement. On March 1, 2024, a federal appeals court said the sentencing enhancement could not be used, which may require the resentencing of over 100 rioters.[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ … tol_attack
I do not find any evidence of these folks being sentenced outside of guidelines. The Washington Post did a review and found that a great number of them got a talking to and a finger wagging along with lighter sentences.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va … ntencings/
Yeah...
The lunatics in charge now gave us WWIII...
They also gave us 25% inflation as they spent between 9 and 13.6 Trillion dollars... money we didn't have on BS that helped few citizens but made the rich richer and the world more dangerous...
They also brought in millions of migrants and put many of them on the government tit...
Yeah... people voted for Trump... because of how betrayed they felt by the current Administration.
Do you really think harris was a better option?
We all know Biden has lied, and the same goes for Harris. It seems like they all do at some point. What's your point, though? Do you believe Harris didn’t lie during her campaign? Both Harris and Biden have certainly been caught in some of their most significant lies on camera. Have you noticed that? It seems like many politicians aren’t always truthful when being interviewed.
Oh look... another pile on post about Trump.
No thank you!!
I have enough of these to last me a lifetime.
Perhaps this forum should be named the TDS and its enablers forum.
Right Shar!?
I could come back in 5 years and post from either my bunker or my home on the beach (depending on a few things) and there will still be diagnosed but untreated TDS lingering here......
I have been watching Trump's transition efforts with great interest. If you ignore the criminals and sexual predators he is nominating, he has done a very good job of putting together his executive branch.
But you simply cannot ignore the kinds of, by and large, anti-democratic demagogues much like himself. That is not to say he hasn't made a few good choices. But in the main, he chose people of questionable character, are climate deniers, are 2020 election deniers, and pro-global warming through increased use of fossil fuels.
All in all, it should be a disaster such putting a Russian sympathizer in charge of our intelligence or putting a sexual predator, platoon leader, Fox News host in charge of America's defense.
Even though one horrible choice pulled out, I hope the rest get through so that those Americans who added their vote to his cult members will understand the terrible mistake they made.
ss
Trump has picked people to push through his tariff ideas. If implemented the way he says (although we all know what a liar he is), economists say it is almost impossible for inflation to return quickly. Given the massive scope of his tariff plan, a recession is also likely.
Trump has also picked people to carry out his mass deportation scheme which is intended to go far beyond just sending back criminals which Biden is already doing. If he does what he says, economists say a recession is almost a certainty. Unlike most recessions, however, this recession is likely to be joined with inflation leading to the stagflation we saw in the 1970s.
People will quickly start seeing what we who voted for Harris already knew, what Trump promised is a mirage.
Finally, only 40 more days before Trump breaks his FIRST promise - ending the Ukraine War.
Trump keeps his promise to destroy the military by nominating a homophobic, myogenic, sexual predator as defense secretary.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/politics … index.html
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