Dear, Mr President elect, have you no decency, Sir?

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  1. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 5 weeks ago

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-upset-u … 48258.html

    So, Mr. President elect, are you going to blame the Democrats for the fact that President Carter's passing was ill timed? Is this why you are making such a tantrum about American flags lowered to half mast for Jimmy Carter?

    Only you could soil a time honored tradition as experienced throughout my lifetime beginning with JFK and ending recently with the death George HW Bush.

    You can denigrate Carter and show disrespect for him while at the same time you reveal that you disrespect the office.

    Well, I liked Carter and even though he did not rank among the greatest of our presidents, regardless,  I liked him more than I like you. The man was on the front lines for civil rights struggles in the early 1950s long before most even thought of getting in on the bandwagon. I choose genuine over phony everytime, and genuine covers a multitude of sins. The man lived the example of public service as one the few ex-presidents who did not spend their time and resources lining their own pockets.

    You are so concerned about your inauguration ceremony, well, you know, when people see how callous and petty you are they may well decide to not show up. I wouldn't. And, we will get NPS to get the size of the crowds in front of the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial.

    You won, Mr. Trump,  must you be so crass and childish at any and every juncture?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Just a bit of history—typically, the U.S. flag is flown at half-staff upon the death of a former president as a sign of respect. However, once the new president is inaugurated, the flag is raised to full staff to honor the transition of leadership. Even if a former president passes away shortly before an inauguration, the flag would return to full staff when the new president takes the oath of office. This tradition emphasizes the beginning of a new presidential term and the continuity of government.

      Raising the U.S. flag to full staff immediately after a presidential inauguration is an important part of the ceremonial transition of power. While the act of raising the flag itself is not always highlighted as a central ceremonial moment, it is a symbolic gesture that signifies the beginning of the new administration.

      At the conclusion of the inauguration ceremony, following the swearing-in of the new president, the flag is raised to full staff. This act represents the restoration of normalcy, signaling that the nation is moving forward with new leadership. It serves as a visual marker of the peaceful transfer of power, which is a core principle of American democracy.

      There have been a few instances in U.S. history where a former president passed away around the time of a new president's inauguration, and flag protocol was followed accordingly. Here are two notable examples:

      Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman (1945):
      Franklin D. Roosevelt, the 32nd president, passed away on April 12, 1945, while serving his fourth term in office. On April 13, 1945, Vice President Harry S. Truman was sworn in as the 33rd president.

      In this case, the flag had been flown at half-staff following Roosevelt's death, and after Truman was sworn in, the flag was raised to full staff, as is customary after the inauguration of a new president. The mourning period for Roosevelt was not immediately concluded, but the flag was raised to full staff to symbolize the peaceful transfer of power to the new president.

      Dwight D. Eisenhower and Harry S. Truman (1953):
      On January 20, 1953, Dwight D. Eisenhower was inaugurated as the 34th president of the United States.
      Just two weeks earlier, on January 7, 1953, former president Harry S. Truman had passed away.

      The flag had been flown at half-staff in honor of Truman's death, but once Eisenhower was sworn in as the new president, the flag was raised to full staff, symbolizing the start of his administration.

      In both of these instances, the flag protocol was followed, with the flag initially flown at half-staff to honor the deceased former president, and then raised to full staff after the new president was inaugurated, marking the peaceful transfer of power and the beginning of a new administration.
      .

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Sharlee, let me correct you on history just a little bit if I may.

        The circumstances are different

        "And while Trump will be the first president sworn in with U.S. flags lowered to half-staff, it’s not a timeline that he can do anything about — until after he takes office."

        https://www.wabe.org/trump-upset-about- … uguration/

        Trump is unique in this sense, as President he can change that and raise the flag after January 20th at his direction, but until then, the half mast stays.

        There is no evidence that Truman raised the flag after the death of FDR as he was just sworn in, not inaugurated until he assumed the office on his own accord in 1949.

        The transition of leadership circumstance that you mentioned is simply not true.

        Second, Harry Truman died in December of 1972, I remember as I have deep respect for "Mr. Plain Speaking".

        As I said, Trump's situation is unique and is simply the luck of the draw, he can raise the flag once he assumes office or simply wait until the 30 days have elapsed out of respect for the late President.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I feel, and this is just my view, I think for the ceremony they could follow the normal procedure, raise the flag, and Trump orders be returned to half staff after the ceremony is completed.  I think this would be a respectful thing to do. It makes sense, I feel this would provide a good solution.

  2. Kathleen Cochran profile image75
    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks ago

    He's long ago proved that he does not.

    But God does. His timing is always perfect.

  3. wilderness profile image89
    wildernessposted 5 weeks ago

    ABC news, Dec. 2, 2018:  "President Donald Trump is directing that American flags be flown at half-staff for 30 days to honor the memory of former President George H.W. Bush."

    Someone ought to remind of of this.  At the same time, someone should remind Democrats it is a sign of respect for Carter, not an opportunity to pull a "Pelosi" on inauguration day, and show massive disrespect for a President.  If that's all it means to Democrats, put it back up.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      YOUR people are the ones that’s need reminding, particularly Trump that Democrats have no prior knowledge of when the death of Carter would occur. This is a silly argument to have as the offensive ones are clearly on the GOP side. You merely speculate, while Trump has already brought boorishness to a new level, live and in real time.

      1. wilderness profile image89
        wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        MY people?!?!?! 

        I don't have any people; unlike you I don't claim to represent any racial group, or any group at all.

        I also made no argument at all.  I DID insinuate that many Democrats are giggling into their sleeve at half mast flags at Trump's ceremony, and I think this is perfectly true and valid.  Doubly so as he had to complain about it.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Your People? Trumpers, Rightwingers, conservatives, reactionaries, many descriptions for one concept. I know that one of these or two of these definitions apply to you?

          1. wilderness profile image89
            wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Nope.  You don't get to define what group I belong to, for your own vitriol and hatred will bleed into your choosing and it simply isn't there for me. 

            The closest you might come is "right wing", but your definition and mine are so far apart even that doesn't work.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Well, you certainly are not progressive, liberal or even moderate so what is left? Your participation and your point of view on matters seen over several years identify what you are most affiliated with regardless of what you say.

              This religious thing is one of the few areas where we see eye to eye.

              Right wing is not a positive label....

              1. wilderness profile image89
                wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                How about if I simply fly under the label "American"?  Leave off the liberal, progressive, conservative, religious, etc.  I'm just an American, wanting what is best for America.

                Right wing IS a positive label...to approximately half the country.  That you are not in that half just means you don't have a clue as to what is really positive or negative.

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  So? I am just an American wanting what is best for America, how is it that any reactionary's opinion is more worthy than my own?

                  "Right wing IS a positive label...to approximately half the country.  That you are not in that half just means you don't have a clue as to what is really positive or negative"

                  So I suppose the other half that says that the Right wing sucks amount to just chopped liver, I suppose.... as for positiv or negative, I have to question whether you, yourself know the difference.

                  1. wilderness profile image89
                    wildernessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Really?  I don't define or see people that are simply "Americans" with a gigantic racial chip on their shoulder.  I don't see them frothing at the mouth every time one political party is mentioned.  I don't see them trying to give our country away to foreign citizens.  I don't see them promoting policies intended to divide the people rather than make one nation with differing opinions. 

                    All of these are the marks of a specific group - the ones you call "your" people - and not indicative of Americans in general.  They are the marks of a group that wants what it wants without regard to the consequences to the nation.  The are the marks of a group intentionally sowing discord and social damage rather than any attempt to heal and help. 

                    No, they are not what I would call "just Americans".

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image75
    Kathleen Cochranposted 5 weeks ago

    It is the higher power (however one recognizes it) that put these two presidents in such stark relief. No mere mortal is needed to make it more obvious.

  5. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 5 weeks ago

    Ironic though, President Carter may have had the last laugh, giving
    Trump the backhand from beyond the grave…..

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Jimmy Carter was a Christian, and I never heard him speak a harsh word against anyone.  In my view, he never showed animosity to another. This was I believe one of his most lovely characteristics.

 
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