Years of Liberal Corruption and Mismanagement Led to CA Wildfires

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  1. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    This is proof that liberalism is very dangerous and had deadly consequences.

    "As Los Angeles firefighters faced down the most destructive blaze in the city’s history, they ran out of water.

    “The hydrants are down,” a firefighter said over the radio, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    Another chipped in: “Water supply just dropped.”

    Fire crews were forced to watch as entire blocks of the Pacific Palisades — one of the most scenic and celeb-packed neighborhoods in LA — were incinerated in a matter of hours late Tuesday and early Wednesday.

    “There’s no water in the fire hydrants,” Rick Caruso, who owns the Palisades Village mall in the heart of the devastated area, fumed to local media. “The firefighters are there, and there’s nothing they can do — we’ve got neighborhoods burning, homes burning, and businesses burning. … It should never happen.”

    Adding insult, Democratic Mayor Karen Bass was 7,400 miles away in Africa, and months earlier she had approved an $18 million cut to the fire department.

    The failure of LA’s water system comes after years of criticism from President-Elect Donald Trump and others that California’s leaders are not managing their water — or their fire risk properly.

    Trump pinned blame for the water shortage on Democratic Gov. Newsom — who derailed a 2020 Trump admin order redirecting water from the verdant north of the state to parched SoCal.

    Newsom’s excuse, a tiny endangered fish that has already been declared functionally extinct.

    In addition to Bass, the city’s fire chief Kristin Crowley — the first woman in that role — is also taking heat, including from ex Fox News host Megyn Kelly, who flamed Crowley for putting virtue signaling and woke branding above doing her job.

    “In recent years LA’s fire chief has made not filling the fire hydrants top priority, but diversity,” Kelly said on her eponymous show, referencing Crowley’s stated goal to bring more women and LGBTQ+ people into the fire department.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      So glad you posted this--- It gives a very full ugly view of liberal ideologies and poor decision-making. I can't understand how Cal could have failed so badly in Governing. Yet most likely many of its citizens would line up today to vote for a liberal.  I feel very sorry for the people of the state--- God help them.

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        It isn't liberalism but pure insanity.   So many people get liberalism and the current insanity masquerading as liberalism confused.  What the currents espoused are pure insanity.  No sane person espouses such out of touch & convoluted ideologies.  They have arrested development.  They exist in adolescent mode.   When one becomes an adult, one is supposed to act more logically & reasonably.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image87
          Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I agree with this completely. There’s a big difference between true liberalism and the chaos we’re seeing now that’s being passed off as liberalism. What’s being pushed these days isn’t grounded in logic or practicality—it feels like pure insanity, disconnected from reality. It’s almost as if some people are stuck in this perpetual adolescent mindset, reacting emotionally rather than thinking things through as adults should. True maturity means balancing ideals with reason and responsibility, but what we’re seeing instead are convoluted ideologies that don’t hold up under scrutiny. It’s frustrating and, honestly, a little disheartening.

          1. gmwilliams profile image83
            gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            It isn't liberalism in the least.   I categorize this as a form of schizoid behavior.   This behavior borders on the illogical & inverse.  I don't know what these politicians are on nor do I want to know.   However, whatever they are on, they need treatment to get back to logicality again.   I also want to add that there is a Luciferian inference to such behavior.  Do you agree?

            1. Willowarbor profile image59
              Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Luciferian inference??  You are calling a group of people devil like?

    2. wilderness profile image90
      wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Did they run out of water or did they run out of the ability to supply the water with so many hydrants open?

      The news report I watched yesterday hinted that the problem was not lack of water; it was that they simply could not supply so many hydrants at the same time.  Insufficient pumping ability, not insufficient water.

    3. Ken Burgess profile image69
      Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      There does appear to be overwhelming evidence that this fire became so bad because they cut back on funding needed to ensure they had the reserves and resources to deal with just such a fire...

      Firemen pulled up to put out fires, hooked the hoses up... and nothing...

      No water... no fire dampening chemicals in the warehouse... nada...

      I wish I could recall the exact amount... but the State had something like 20 billion to throw at supporting illegal migrants... but not the money needed to keep cities and towns from being burned to the ground.

      And THAT is your Progressive Democrat Party... the new better world they will bring to all America... CA is always ahead of where the rest of the country is heading, right?

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Nope...

        LADWP’s explanation for the shortage comes down to three nearby water tanks, each with a storage capacity of about a million gallons. These tanks help maintain enough pressure for water to flow from fire hydrants in uphill areas — but the pressure had decreased due to heavy water use, and officials knew the tanks couldn’t keep up the drain forever.

        “We pushed the system to the extreme,” LADWP CEO Janisse Quiñones said in a news conference. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.”

        "I want to make sure that you understand there's water on the trunk line, it just cannot get up the hill because we cannot fill the tanks fast enough,” Quiñones said.

        That decreased the water pressure, which is needed for fire hydrants to work in higher elevations.

        A firefight with multiple fire hydrants drawing water from the system for several hours is unsustainable,” Pestrella said in a news conference Wednesday. “This is a known fact.”

        Let's stop the "liberals* are to blame narrative... People here are ignoring facts

        1. Patty Inglish, MS profile image89
          Patty Inglish, MSposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Willowsarbor +++ thanks.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image69
          Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          NOPE...

          Wrong... semantics and excuses...

          As I said...

          "This isn't CAs first rodeo with rampant fires consuming swaths of the State.

          So how did they make sure they were ready for this one?

          You know what they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?

          When the experts warned them... they were ignored..."

          If the priority of the State... the politicians in particular... were to ensure they had the best system possible to protect from Fires like this...

          Chances are this would never have become so devastating.

          But when you prioritize other things... well, raging fires going across vast parts of the State will occur, frequently, consistently, as they have for years now in CA.

          Interesting:
          https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7Vo_JLoPjoM

    4. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Not only California but New York also.  New York is a jungle.  Subways are breeding grounds for criminals & others who want to act up.  Stores are closing because of rampant theft.   They steal & convicted but soon released thanks to the "genius" of Al Braggs who should be fired.    I was going to say something else but I don't want to be banned.

  2. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    Any sort of proof, from some credible source that there was mismanagement?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

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      1. Ken Burgess profile image69
        Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        On a completely different note, other than a critique of 'liberal' leadership, I offer you this interesting factoid... it goes back a long way...

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G348N2Jbkek

  3. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power was pumping from aqueducts and groundwater into the system, but demand was so high that it wasn’t enough to refill three 1-million gallon tanks in hilly Pacific Palisades that help pressurize hydrants for the neighborhood.

    State water distribution choices were not behind the hydrant problems, they said, nor was a lack of overall supply in the region.

    Janisse Quiñones, head of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, said later at a news conference that 3 million gallons of water were available when the Palisades fire started but the demand was four times greater than “we’ve ever seen in the system.”

    Hydrants are designed for fighting fires at one or two houses at a time, not hundreds, Quiñones said, and refilling the tanks also requires asking fire departments to pause firefighting efforts. Mayor Bass said 20% of hydrants went dry.

    Large urban fires can also melt or otherwise damage pipes, causing them to leak large amounts of water, draining pressure from the system, said Andrew Whelton, an engineering professor at Purdue University. Individual homes with water meters that have a remote shutoff can help utilities quickly stem such losses.

    Bringing in diversity, dei or lgbtq issues into this is laughable

    1. GA Anderson profile image81
      GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Don't forget the little fish too.

      I have also heard explanations like your quote. They make sense to me.

      It seems, as I have found them, the criticisms are coming from folks who always talk about 'common sense.' Considering the details—the massive scale and magnitude of these fires—they aren't using it.

      You're exactly right, political issues don't have a place here.

      GA

      1. Ken Burgess profile image69
        Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        They do...

        This isn't CAs first rodeo with rampant fires consuming swaths of the State.

        So how did they make sure they were ready for this one?

        You know what they say about people who do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?

        When the experts warned them... they were ignored...

        Whether it was because people voted for who promised them the most free stuff ... or simply corrupt State politics...

        But you know how it is... no one is to blame... it was an act of nature beyond anyone's ability to foresee and prepare for...

        Just like the one they had last year... and the year before that... and the year before that one...

    2. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Supply a reputable source

    3. Patty Inglish, MS profile image89
      Patty Inglish, MSposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        LOL.  So accurate



        https://hubstatic.com/17337343.jpg

  4. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    From Liberal NEWSWEEK

    What to Know
    The Los Angeles Times reported that firefighters expressed concerns over internal radio systems on Wednesday that fire hydrants in Pacific Palisades were running dry.

    Rick Caruso, a local developer, former DPW commissioner and 2022 mayoral candidate, told the Los Angeles Times that he thought the issue stemmed from failing infrastructure and mismanagement.

    In February 2024, CBS 8 reported that billions of gallons of water had been released from local reservoirs over the prior year out of an effort to keep water levels low should dams fail and inundate surrounding areas.

  5. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    These fires in LA are a supreme example of liberal mismanagement.

    "Democratic Mayor Karen Bass was 7,400 miles away in Africa, and months earlier she had approved an $18 million cut to the fire department."

    I lived in LA county for 8 years.  Wildfires are an annual thing there. They always have been.  What sort of thought process cuts a fire department's budget by $18 million?

    "When the same thing happened in neighboring Ventura County in November, humiliated officials blamed damaged pumps and overall lack of water — despite backup systems and protocols that allow firefighters to draw water from other sources, the LA Times reported.

    In LA, those fail-safes should have been working, the hydrants should have stayed full, and a water shortage on this scale “should never happen,” Caruso, a former utility commission head and candidate for LA mayor, told the newspaper.

    The failure of LA’s water system comes after years of criticism from President-elect Donald Trump and others that California’s leaders are not managing their water — or their fire risk — properly.

    Trump pinned blame for the water shortage on Democratic Gov. Newsom — who derailed a 2020 Trump admin order redirecting water from the verdant north of the state to parched SoCal.

    Newsom’s excuse: a tiny endangered fish that has already been declared functionally extinct.

    “He wanted to protect an essentially worthless fish called a smelt… but didn’t care about the people of California,” the incoming president ranted on his Truth Social platform.

    Trump has also slammed Newsom for failure to clean up underbrush and dead trees that can fuel forest fires — though it’s not yet clear whether that is a factor in these latest blazes.

    “I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers,” Trump posted to X in 2019.

    Trump was referring to measures such as prescribed burns and fuel breaks, or firebreaks, which help keep wildfires from spreading.

    Newsom has bragged about his forestry accomplishments, but a 2021 investigation by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom found that he overstated the number of acres treated with fuel breaks and prescribed burns by a whopping 690%.

    Bass, who has touted her DEI appointments, ousted Cynthia Ruiz, the department’s first-ever Native American commissioner, after less than a year of service.

    Two out of the last three general managers of the utility have resigned in disgrace: One allegedly mismanaged $40 million in funding. Another, David Wright, was sentenced to six years in prison for taking bribes.


    Most of the public backlash, however, has centered on Bass, who rushed home from attending the inauguration of Ghana’s new president when the blaze broke out Tuesday night. She was overseas despite warnings about the Santa Ana winds days earlier.

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Newson & Hass NEED TO RESIGN & RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Odd how he isn't even considering his resignation.  Newsom is pointing fingers and blaming everyone else for his mistakes.  He's playing the victim card.  This is known as liberal leadership.  It really awful to watch the damage it causes.

        1. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Isn't that behavior typical of the modern liberal?  Modern Liberals are loathe to take responsibility &/or accountability for their actions.   They love to blame so-called outside circumstances instead of themselves.   Quite the quintessential liberal Newsom is.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image87
        Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        They so clearly do need to resign---but you know what if tomorrow one had to vote for a Gov, and he was in the race--- yeah they would most likely vote for him.

  6. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    LOL why do they let this woman on Fox...

    https://x.com/Victorshi2020/status/1877480930757193947

    Jessica Tarlov just set the record straight on Fox, not only calling out the lie that Mayor Bass cut the LA Fire Department budget, but that she INCREASED it by $50 million. This is how it’s done.

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      If you listen to it carefully, she says the $50 million will be available NEXT year.

      Listen to the people involved.  Not an outsider.  The LA Fire Chief knows far more about this situation that Tarlov ever will.

      This is from CBS News

      "A month before fires, L.A. fire chief warned budget cuts were hampering emergency response

      Before wildfires broke out across Los Angeles, the city's fire chief said that budget cuts were hampering the department's ability to respond to emergencies, a department memo shows.

      Funding for the city's fire department decreased by $17.6 million, or 2%, between the 2024-25 fiscal year and the 2023-24 fiscal year, according to city budget documents. However, the city council in November approved a four-year $203 million contract with the firefighter's union to help boost wages and health benefits for staff, drawing from the budget's general fund.

      The budget cuts drew criticism as firefighters scrambled to contain the ongoing fires.

      In a Dec. 4 memo, LAFD Fire Chief Kristin Crowley wrote to the Board of Fire Commissioners that the budget cuts "have adversely affected the Department's ability to maintain core operations."

      Crowley said that a $7 million reduction in overtime hours "severely limited the Department's capacity to prepare for, train for, and respond to large-scale emergencies" and affected their capacity for brush clearance inspections and residential inspections.

      The cuts, Crowley wrote in a memo from July 2024, resulted from eliminating 58 positions, adjusting sworn salary accounts, and removing one-time expenses. Some have pointed to the one-time expenses, such as the purchase of new breathing equipment for firefighters, a one reason why there may have been a reduction in the current fiscal year's budget compared to the year before.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        The budget wasn't cut.

  7. GA Anderson profile image81
    GA Andersonposted 5 weeks ago

    A fact-check on the 'forest lands' claim could answer one "liberal mismanagement charge: Where is California's 3%, relative to the current fires?

    GA

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Are you referring to the fact that California's forest land that is managed directly by the state government, with the remaining majority being managed by federal agencies like the USDA Forest Service, meaning the state only controls a small portion (around 3%) of the total forested land in California?

  8. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    https://hubstatic.com/17333501_f1024.jpg

    1. GA Anderson profile image81
      GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I found that graphic early, but haven't found the details of the Pacific Palisades area. It looks possible that the associated 'forest lands' might be predominately privately owned.

      I stopped there. Too lazy.

      GA

  9. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    As an aside, has Trump expressed any sympathy for the loss and devastation happening in California?  You know besides calling the governor scum?

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      It would be hard to top biden who visited the fire stricken areas in California and talked about how his son's home was okay and announced he is a great grandfather.  THAT is what the people want to hear who have had their lives ravaged by wildfires.  That is how the left operates.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Did Trump express any sympathy toward the people who lost their homes?

        He appears to be devoid of any real empathy

    2. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      He hasn't, and he's angry—just like many Americans who see this happen year after year. Now, we're watching fires ravage major cities in California, a state that has dealt with this for so long. It's clear that those elected by the people have failed them in a big way. There's no point in listing what was done and what wasn't, but the question is, why aren't people offering more prayers and condolences? The emotion these fires have sparked goes beyond just offering prayers. I'm with Trump on this—it makes me angry to see such incompetence running California. It's frustrating to watch citizens continue to elect these same people into office. Many of us don't see the value in "I'll pray for you" when real action is needed. California is all about being green, yet they've failed to recognize that nature hits them every year, and if they're going to live in the path of the Santa Ana winds, they need to be better prepared. There's so much that could have been done to prevent and contain these fires. My sympathy goes out to the people who've lost their homes and businesses, especially those without insurance or resources to rebuild. But I hope people will take a hard look at the leaders they've trusted to run their state and realize the consequences of their choices.

      This would be one positive that could come out of this horrific disaster.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Oh, I see. It's a choice between offering criticism or condolences? Both aren't possible? Odd.

        In terms of the factors that have contributed to these fires, it appears you've read quite a bit of misinformation.  Trump's criticisms are baseless .

        Since the fires broke out, Trump has pointed fingers at  Newsom and Biden,  generally spreading false claims about California's water policy and federal assistance.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image87
          Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes, he has chosen to be upfront and honest about his feelings, highlighting that these fires have become senseless due to the poor governance of the state. I understand some people prefer polished, insincere words over straightforward, outspoken common sense.

          One thing I’m confident about is that when Trump takes office, he will tackle the many problems California is facing and, hopefully, work on solutions to address these ongoing issues. He is pissed as are many.

          1. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Gotcha, very gracious of him not to offer condolences to all those whose homes have burned to the ground.   I suppose you wouldn't want to give any sympathy to potential "liberals". God forbid.    LOL I thought he had found God recently?  Apparently not

            1. Sharlee01 profile image87
              Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Maybe you need to read all my comments before responding --- I offered sympathy.  Those and $7.95 will buy me a coffee at SBs.

              1. Willowarbor profile image59
                Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                I would think that the president-elect would offer some sympathy for those who lost everything.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image87
                  Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Perhaps he will offer more than sympathy but solutions--- he is very good at that.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image59
                    Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Why is everything a binary choice in maga world? Can two things ever exist at the same time?  It's an odd mindset

                2. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I would expect a current president would offer some sympathy for those who lost everything.

                  The democrats dementia ridden president got up in front of people who's lives had been devastated by wildfires and talked about how thankful his son's home was okay and shared that he was a great grandfather.

                  Where is HIS sympathy?  He is, technically, still the president.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image59
                    Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    So you're ok with Trump's lack of empathy? 

                    It's incomprehensible that some  people are quick to  see everything, even death and destruction, as little more than an opportunity to score political points.. these are the folks who deserve the public’s scorn. The least they could do is wait until the fires are out and some basics are fully known.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image87
                    Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Good point. But let’s remember, he’s clearly confused, and we need to cut him some slack—something the Democrats in Washington and even his own family have been doing for far too long now. It sickens me that he wasn’t removed from office. This group has brought nothing but disgrace to America.

          2. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            when Trump takes office, he will tackle the many problems California is facing and, hopefully, work on solutions to address these ongoing issues. He is pissed as are many.

            Interesting because most of the forest land in California is under Federal control... What did he do under his administration previously to take care of these lands?   Anger is useless

            1. Sharlee01 profile image87
              Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              The claim is partly true but doesn’t tell the whole story about forest management in California. Yes, about 57% of the forest land in the state is under federal control, according to the U.S. Forest Service. But managing forests isn’t just a federal job—it’s a shared responsibility among federal, state, and private groups, and they all face different challenges.

              During Trump’s administration, there were some moves to address forest issues. For example, they increased timber harvesting and signed an executive order to encourage active forest management. They also set up a 20-year partnership with California aimed at thinning forests and reducing wildfire risks. While these efforts were steps in the right direction.

              I am sure Trump will address this problem further.

  10. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    The Los Angeles Wildfires: An Avoidable Tragedy
    State efforts to prevent them have been costly and impractical, with grim results.

    The scenes from the wildfires devastating Los Angeles are apocalyptic. As of this writing, more than 1,000 homes, businesses, and other buildings have been destroyed, and two people have died. Firefighters have battled, with little success, flames spread by hurricane-force winds from Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica—wealthy areas in western L.A. near the Santa Monica Recreation Area—to the east in Eaton (near Pasadena) and toward the Cattle Canyon Bride, located near the San Bernadino National Forest.

    Though the cause of the current blaze has yet to be established, commentators are already making familiar claims that climate change is igniting more wildfires in California—a thesis with no basis in fact. Some state and local officials even argue that high winds caused the wildfires. Not so: wind, by itself, doesn’t create sparks that trigger wildfires, though it certainly worsens them once they’ve started, as is happening here.

    The most common causes of recent wildfires in the Golden State have been human activities (including arson) and poorly maintained power lines, such as those belonging to the Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), which caused the 2018 Camp Fire that killed 85 people. Another likely culprit: bad forest management. Last April, Los Angeles County unveiled its Community Forest Management Plan. The plan is heavy on buzzwords about the need to ensure an “equitable tree canopy” and “environmental justice” but light on strategies to reduce wildfire risk.

    Though some good work has been done in that regard, such as by the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy, the latest wildfires demonstrate the ongoing failure of Governor Gavin Newsom to manage the problem. In 2019, Newsom issued an executive order to devote more than $1 billion to wildfire prevention. But a 2021 investigation found that the governor had misled the public about the acreage of fuel-reduction projects completed in the state: just 11,399 acres, versus his claim of 90,000.

    Various studies purport to “prove” that wildfires are increasing in number and destructiveness. But the trend since 1987 has been fewer wildfires each year (see figure below). The acres burned have climbed upward, though that trend is skewed by the 4.5 million acres burned in 2020 and 2.5 million acres burned in 2021. Acreage burned in 2022–2023 totalled some of the lowest levels in the last 40 years. A longer-running trendline shows that the number of state wildfires peaked in the 1920s.

    That the acreage burned is increasing even as the number of wildfires has decreased is not the result of climate change. Rather, it is the combined result of efforts to suppress wildfires and environmentalists’ demands to leave forests undisturbed. California’s Mediterranean climate, with its historically wet winters followed by months of dry conditions, heightens the likelihood of wildfires. But instead of removing dead and diseased trees and undergrowth, the state, following environmentalist restrictions, has allowed that natural fuel to build up, creating the conditions for explosive wildfires. Land-use restrictions have also forced development nearer wildfire-prone areas, worsening the damage and loss of life.

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/la … ades-eaton

    1. Willowarbor profile image59
      Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      You do realize the balance of ownership of Forest lands?



      https://hubstatic.com/17335811_f1024.jpg

      In terms of rain? California typically experiences its heaviest rainfall during January, currently the state is experiencing historically dry conditions.  They have had drought conditions, negligible amounts of rain for 8 months.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Thank you for sharing this.

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        LOL have you fact checked any of that?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image87
          Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I will leave that to you --- graduate of Google U.

          1. Willowarbor profile image59
            Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Well if people would do a little more fact-checking there wouldn't be as much garbage on this forum

            1. Sharlee01 profile image87
              Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Much of the articles on Google are OPs.  When looking for facts, one can find them on appropriate websites.

  11. Sharlee01 profile image87
    Sharlee01posted 5 weeks ago

    So, ask yourself: should we continue to inhabit the areas in California affected by yearly fires, or should we focus on not rebuilding, cleaning it up, and making it as fireproof as possible?

    These yearly fires are undoing any small progress we've made on climate change. I can't help but wonder why this hasn't been addressed by climate change activists. Can we afford to keep rebuilding, or is it time to take every possible precaution to fireproof the state to the best of our ability?

    The wildfires in California have a significant impact on the climate, both locally and globally. Here's how they contribute:

    Carbon Emissions: Wildfires release massive amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere. Trees and vegetation store carbon, and when they burn, that carbon is released. This contributes to the greenhouse gas effect, which exacerbates global warming. The longer and more intense the fires, the higher the emissions.

    Air Quality: Wildfires produce particulate matter (PM), including black carbon, which can contribute to smog and poor air quality. These particles can linger in the air for weeks and affect not only local residents but also areas far beyond the fire zones. Poor air quality has health impacts and can also alter weather patterns.

    Altering Weather Patterns: The combination of high emissions and the particles released by wildfires can influence local weather conditions. Smoke and soot in the atmosphere can affect cloud formation, precipitation patterns, and even the regional temperature, creating long-lasting impacts on local climates.

    Forest Loss and Carbon Sequestration: Fires destroy forests, which play a vital role in absorbing CO2 from the atmosphere. When forests are lost, not only is the carbon stored in trees released, but the land is no longer able to capture and store future emissions effectively. This creates a feedback loop, where increased carbon emissions from wildfires contribute to more frequent and intense fires.

    Impact on Water Resources: Wildfires can affect the water cycle, altering the quality and availability of water sources. Ash and debris from fires can contaminate rivers, lakes, and streams, and reduce water availability for communities. These changes can also have indirect effects on the regional climate by altering the hydrological cycle.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image69
      Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Funny that you bring that up... I was just thinking about that...

      There are certain groups that have advocated for depopulating CA...

      Negative Population Growth
      https://npg.org/

      This article explores how population growth is linked to carbon emissions and why population decline in high-income countries might be a welcome trend:  https://earth.org/demographic-shifts-an … hallenges/

      Not finding a particular for CA... but you know there are such groups out there...

      Common sense tells you... that if you are going to be facing such challenges every year then you should certainly fund MORE resources into what is needed to counter them... and you should be funding massive research efforts into finding ways to avoid them...

      But you know... funding some drag-queen outreach and acceptance programs is way more trendy...

  12. Sharlee01 profile image87
    Sharlee01posted 5 weeks ago

    Yes, in recent years, there have been instances where California cut or reduced funding to fire departments, which has raised concerns, especially given the increasing frequency and severity of wildfires. Several factors contributed to these budget cuts or reductions:

    State Budget Deficits: California has faced budget deficits and financial challenges in recent years, which led to cuts in various public services, including fire departments. Although public safety, including firefighting, is often prioritized, the state's economic challenges sometimes result in limited resources for such departments.

    Shift in Funding Priorities: Some of the funding cuts have been due to shifts in priorities, with more funds being allocated to other pressing areas like housing, healthcare, or infrastructure. Additionally, firefighting costs have soared with the rising number of wildfires, and some fire departments have struggled to keep up with the financial demands.

    Local Government Cuts: While state-level funding is crucial, many fire departments are managed at the local or county level. Some local governments have faced budget constraints that led to reductions in fire services or staffing. In some cases, this has resulted in the closure of fire stations or delays in response times.

    Impact on Wildfire Response: These cuts have raised alarms regarding the state’s ability to respond to the increasing threat of wildfires. Firefighters have raised concerns that reduced budgets limit their ability to prepare for and fight fires effectively, leading to more devastating impacts on communities.

  13. Willowarbor profile image59
    Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

    After this, hopefully musk will stick to the facts...

    https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/187866 … e-la-fires

    1. Sharlee01 profile image87
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I can't help but laugh when you dwell on Musk. Ever wonder why? Perhaps you should consider how much he has contributed to the world and the many positive actions he has taken for humanity. Plus, why waste your energy worrying about Elon?

      Myself, I appreciate his willingness to step up and provide help when he sees a need, using his resources and innovations to make a real difference.

      Elon Musk deployed Tesla Cybertrucks to assist with the California wildfires to provide essential services to affected communities. These Cybertrucks are equipped with Starlink terminals, offering free Wi-Fi in areas where connectivity has been disrupted. Additionally, they serve as power sources, allowing residents to charge devices and access critical information during the crisis.

      Some Cybertrucks have been donated to local rescue teams, such as the Altadena Mountain Rescue station, to power essential equipment like radios, computers, and lights, especially during nighttime operations.

      Yes, Elon Musk played a role in maintaining internet connectivity during the California wildfires. Tesla's Cybertrucks, equipped with SpaceX's Starlink satellite internet terminals, were deployed to wildfire-stricken areas to provide free Wi-Fi. This initiative ensured that residents, emergency responders, and officials could stay connected in regions where traditional communication infrastructure was damaged or disrupted by the fires.

      The use of Starlink's satellite-based system proved particularly valuable in maintaining communication lines, allowing affected communities to access critical information and stay in touch with loved ones during the crisis. This effort is part of Musk's broader goal of leveraging his companies' technologies to address real-world challenges.

      Yes, according to a recent Bloomberg News report, Chinese officials are considering the possibility of selling TikTok's U.S. operations to Elon Musk if the company cannot prevent a potential ban in the United States.
      REUTERS Jan 13, 2025   

      UH-OH

      1. Willowarbor profile image59
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        He has also spread quite a bit of misinformation on X about the wildfires

        1. Sharlee01 profile image87
          Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          This may be true—there's a lot of misinformation going around about the fires. However, as I mentioned, Musk stepped in and took swift action to tackle a couple of major issues. It really comes down to the old adage: deeds or words? Deeds are what truly matter, and in this case, his actions were crucial. Keeping the internet up and running was essential, and his efforts made a significant difference. In my view, he seems like a man who cares about others, and every time we hear of a disaster we hear him stepping up and helping.

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Shar,

            I think another aspect of these wildfires that the left hates is the fact that President Donald Trump talked about it years ago and he was right.  California didn't put the efforts into clearing up their forests and doing what was necessary to prevent such wildfires.

            That has to disturb them, President Donald Trump was right about California wildfire prevention not being done properly.

            1. Willowarbor profile image59
              Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Being properly managed  by who?

              Of the state’s 33 million acres of forest, federal agencies, including the Forest Service and the Interior Department, own and manage 57 percent. Forty percent are owned by families, Native American tribes or companies, including industrial timber companies; just 3 percent are owned and managed by state and local agencies.

              1. tsmog profile image86
                tsmogposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                As an aside the Pacific Palisades and Eaton fires are not forest land. They are chaparral brush common to Southern California with it Mediterranean climate.

                "Did these and other second-guessers have a point? Scientists, wildfire specialists and firefighting officials had differing viewpoints. But several of these experts — including strong proponents of brush clearance — said that the winds fanning the flames were so fierce, and ground conditions so dry, that clearing more shrubs wouldn’t have had a significant effect."

                **********

                "The Palisades fire ignited Jan. 7 amid hurricane-force winds, with gusts of up to 100 mph recorded in some areas.

                “You could have put a 10-lane freeway in front of that fire and it would not have slowed it one bit,” Fennessy said."

                **********

                Could better brush clearance have helped slow the spread of the Palisades fire? by the Los Angeles Times (Jan 13, 2025)
                ** Destruction from the Palisades fire could have been tempered had officials cleared brush in wildland areas, which could have slowed its spread, some critics say
                ** Fire officials and others dispute those claims, saying bone-dry conditions and fierce winds made the fire unstoppable.
                "
                https://www.latimes.com/environment/sto … sades-fire

                1. Willowarbor profile image59
                  Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Enlightening.  Thank you for this.

                2. Ken Burgess profile image69
                  Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  That is all fine.

                  But as I have said, CA has had these problems before, and any non-fool should know they are probable to occur again.

                  Instead of putting hundreds of millions of dollars, or more, in to ensuring there was the best possible means to fight it... they instead cut the budget for those things, destroyed previous reservoir dams based on an endangered fish, and other nonsensical choices made under Newsom and other State politicians that prioritize other things as being more important.

                  1. tsmog profile image86
                    tsmogposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    If you say so . . .

                  2. Willowarbor profile image59
                    Willowarborposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    No, Dam Removal Is Not Responsible for Los Angeles Water Shortages...

                    https://thedispatch.com/article/no-dam- … shortages/

                3. Sharlee01 profile image87
                  Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  You’ve made some excellent points. When it comes to solutions for alleviating the yearly wildfires, I honestly believe there is very little that can be done to fully prevent them. Out of curiosity, I looked at the federal budget allocations for wildfire management over the years, and I was honestly shocked at how much the Biden administration has allocated compared to any other administration in our nation’s history. It really makes you question whether it's time to assess if some restrictions should be placed on building and rebuilding in fire-prone areas. The fires are getting worse every year, and they’re depleting any progress we’ve made on climate change. 

                  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/362 … ost4354269

              2. Sharlee01 profile image87
                Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Federal funds that have been allocated

                In 2024, California received significant federal funding to support forest management and wildfire prevention efforts. Key allocations included:

                $4.2 Billion for CAL FIRE: The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (CAL FIRE) was allocated $4.2 billion and 12,512 positions for the 2024-25 budget. This funding supports resource management, fire protection, and emergency response services.
                CEPR

                $265 Million from the Inflation Reduction Act: In October 2024, the Biden administration provided $265 million from the Inflation Reduction Act to private forest owners in California. This funding aims to support conservation projects and enhance forest resilience.

                how much Fedeeal money did California get to maintain Federal forest in 2023  -----In 2023, California received significant federal funding to maintain and manage its federal forests, particularly for wildfire prevention and forest restoration. Key figures include:

                $930 Million from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the Inflation Reduction Act: A portion of this funding was allocated to California to enhance fire prevention efforts, including fuel reduction, forest thinning, and prescribed burns in federally managed lands like national forests.

                $197 Million for wildfire defense grants: Announced in March 2023, these grants were aimed at helping local and state entities in California reduce wildfire risks on federal and state lands, including funding for fire prevention projects, fuel reduction, and fire management training.

                This funding aimed to support efforts in reducing the risks of catastrophic wildfires, improve forest health, and enhance firefighting capabilities on federally managed lands.

                How much in 2022 ----In 2022, California received $306 million in federal funding specifically allocated to forest management and wildfire prevention. This funding was part of a broader initiative to address the increasing severity of wildfires and improve forest health across the United States. The funds were directed to various programs, including:

                Fuel reduction projects such as thinning forests and controlled burns.
                Fire prevention efforts to create defensible spaces around communities and critical infrastructure.

                Forest restoration and resilience programs to protect and improve the overall health of California's federally managed forests.
                Additionally, the Biden administration committed to increasing investments in forest management as part of its broader efforts to address climate change and reduce wildfire risks in areas like California, which has been heavily affected by wildfires in recent years.

                In 2021, California received $500 million in federal funding for forest management and wildfire prevention efforts. This funding was part of a broader national initiative to address the increasing frequency and intensity of wildfires, particularly in states like California.

                Key areas funded included:

                Fire prevention and mitigation: Projects aimed at reducing the fuel load in forests, including thinning, controlled burns, and clearing dead vegetation.
                Wildfire resilience: Efforts to enhance the ability of forests and communities to withstand and recover from wildfires, including restoration projects. Fire management infrastructure: Funding for firefighting resources and training for personnel to improve response capabilities.

                In 2020, California received $115 million in federal funding for forest management and wildfire prevention efforts. This was part of a larger allocation aimed at combating the growing wildfire crisis in the state and addressing forest health.

                In 2019, California received $180 million in federal funding to support wildfire prevention and forest management efforts. This funding was part of a broader initiative to address the increasing wildfire threat in the state, which had seen some of its most devastating fires in recent years.

                In 2015, the federal government allocated approximately $34 million to support wildfire recovery and forest management efforts in California. This funding was part of the annual appropriations for the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) and California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) for fire prevention, forest restoration, and recovery after major wildfires like the Butte Fire and Rim Fire.

                I wonder where all the money they received in Biden's year's office went. 

                A staggering amount was allocated in the past 4 years. BILLIONS with a B!

            2. Sharlee01 profile image87
              Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Mike, I agree. In Trump's first term, he addressed the yearly California fires and pushed for California to take greater responsibility for preventive measures, alongside federal efforts. He raised concerns about the state's forest management practices, emphasizing the need for proper forest thinning and clearing of debris to reduce fire risks. Trump proposed active collaboration between federal and state authorities but stressed that California needed to implement more aggressive measures to manage its forests. He also criticized the state's water management policies, suggesting that water was not being properly allocated to prevent or combat fires. During meetings with Governor Gavin Newsom, Trump advocated for increased accountability and practical steps to mitigate the devastating effects of these fires, framing his proposals as a combination of state and federal responsibility to protect lives, property, and natural resources.   It appears some have a short memory, and I can see why Trump is showing disgust and yes anger.

              Shar

  14. IslandBites profile image93
    IslandBitesposted 5 weeks ago

    Im sorry, what? lol

    Its like they dont read what the post.

    I suppose thanks for proving the point are in order.

  15. Sharlee01 profile image87
    Sharlee01posted 5 weeks ago

    The wildfires in California are, in a sense, depleting the progress made on climate change efforts. Wildfires themselves are a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, as they release large amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere. In fact, wildfires in California and other regions are among the top sources of CO2 emissions, exacerbating the very climate change issues we’re trying to mitigate.

    Additionally, the increasing frequency and intensity of wildfires are themselves a symptom of climate change. Higher temperatures, prolonged droughts, and changes in precipitation patterns—driven by climate change—create conditions that make wildfires more likely and more severe. This creates a vicious cycle where climate change fuels wildfires, and wildfires, in turn, contribute to further climate change by releasing stored carbon.

    Moreover, these fires often damage ecosystems that act as carbon sinks, such as forests and wetlands. The destruction of these natural carbon reservoirs means less carbon is absorbed from the atmosphere, which further slows efforts to combat global warming. In this way, the devastating wildfires not only disrupt efforts to mitigate climate change but also create new challenges in addressing its impact.

    My sources
    U.S. Forest Service (USFS): They report that wildfires contribute significantly to the release of carbon dioxide, a key greenhouse gas.

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    (IPCC): Their reports discuss how climate change increases the likelihood of wildfires and how fires, in turn, contribute to the carbon cycle, releasing stored carbon into the atmosphere.

    California Air Resources Board (CARB): They track the carbon emissions from wildfires in California and have reported how large fires in the state contribute to increased greenhouse gas levels.

    National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA): Their research indicates that wildfires are a major emitter of carbon, which impacts global warming.

  16. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    California wildfires are a perfect example of environmantal policies destroying the environment.

    "Tom McClintock, R-Calif., told Newsmax on Tuesday that in the past, "we put out fires before they could explode out of control, but all of those policies were canceled by environmental laws."

    As of Tuesday morning, the two main fires ravaging Los Angeles, Palisades and Eaton, have consumed more than 37,000 acres, destroyed over 12,000 structures, killed at least 24 people and forced almost 200,000 others to evacuate their homes. Early estimates with multiple fires still raging have put the damages at more than $250 billion. McClintock said any federal aid should come with conditions "to fix the problem, otherwise we're going to have this happen over and over again."

    "This is going to go on until the policies change," McClintock said during an appearance on "National Report." We know how to control fires. We did so throughout the 20th century. By the policies that we adopted, we auctioned off excess timber to logging companies that then paid us to remove the excess. We leased public lands to cattle and sheep ranchers that suppressed brush growth through grazing. We cut fire breaks to contain fires. We used herbicides to keep brush from residential areas. We put out the fires before they could explode out of control. All of those policies were canceled by environmental laws."
    "You know, prior to the 20th century, we lost about 4.5 million acres a year to catastrophic fire. All of those land use management policies brought those losses down to about a quarter million acres a year throughout the 20th century. But when we stopped these practices because of these environmental laws. Well, in 2020, we went back up to 4.5 million acres of lost land. That's not a new normal. That's the old normal returning," he added.

  17. Kathleen Cochran profile image75
    Kathleen Cochranposted 4 weeks ago

    NEWS FLASH!

    Politicians from either party cannot control the weather.

  18. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 3 weeks ago

    It appears the wildfires happening could have been prevented but for the incompetence of the democrat leadership.

    "Newsom Misled The Public About Wildfire Prevention Efforts Ahead Of Worst Fire Season On Record

    An investigation from CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom found the governor has misrepresented his accomplishments and even disinvested in wildfire prevention. The investigation found Newsom overstated, by an astounding 690%, the number of acres treated with fuel breaks and prescribed burns in the very forestry projects he said needed to be prioritized to protect the state’s most vulnerable communities. Newsom has claimed that 35 “priority projects” carried out as a result of his executive order resulted in fire prevention work on 90,000 acres. But the state’s own data show the actual number is 11,399.

    Overall, California’s response has faltered under Newsom. After an initial jump during his first year in office, data obtained by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom show Cal Fire’s fuel reduction output dropped by half in 2020, to levels below Gov. Jerry Brown’s final year in office. At the same time, Newsom slashed roughly $150 million from Cal Fire’s wildfire prevention budget.

    Newsom has claimed that 35 "priority projects" carried out as a result of his executive order resulted in fire prevention work on 90,000 acres. But the state’s own data show the actual number is 11,399.
    In 2020, 4.3 million acres burned, the most in California’s recorded history. That was more than double the previous record, set in 2018, when the Camp Fire destroyed the town of Paradise, killing 85 people.

    This year, data obtained by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom show that through Memorial Day, the annual number of acres worked remained low, despite a fire season that threatens to be even more dangerous than last year. Most of the state is in “extreme drought” or “exceptional drought,” which means there is an abundance of dry vegetation ready to catch fire. A record heatwave has swept the state already this year.

    The data show Cal Fire treated 64,000 acres in 2019, but only 32,000 acres in 2020 and 24,000 acres through Memorial Day this year. The federal government and private landowners also chip in, but the totals remain far below what experts say is required to effectively adapt to the dangers of climate change.

    “We need to be doing a million acres a year, for a long time,” said Michael Wara, director of the Climate and Energy Policy Program at Stanford University’s Woods Institute for the Environment. “That's the scale where you start to achieve … strategic goals, like fewer structures lost.”

    Now, Newsom is trying to play catch-up. With the state enjoying an unexpected surplus, Newsom proposed $1.2 billion in “wildfire resiliency” funding in the upcoming budget. Experts say the increase in prevention spending could help the state get closer to a less-dangerous wildfire season over time. But they also expressed concern over whether the state will sustain that commitment for years to come. “We are in a deep hole,” Wara said, “and it is going to take us many years of sustained effort to get out.”

    In interviews, fire survivors said they felt betrayed by government officials, who seem more concerned with making a splash than saving homes and businesses from incineration.

    “It’s a deception,” said Mitch Mackenzie, co-owner of Carol Shelton Wines in Santa Rosa, who lost his home in the 2017 Tubbs Fire. Last year’s wine country fires ruined one-third of the winery’s grape harvest, and the flames nearly overran his new home in Sonoma County. He says Newsom’s embellishments are a frustrating — but typical — example of how California politicians handle wildfires.

    “With all the fire danger that we have experienced year, after year, after year ... you would think it would be a higher priority to make sure that all of this area is treated as much as possible,” Mackenzie said. Politicians, he added, “always want to look good about fixing the problem, but then they never really do it.”

    In Newsom’s case, the data shows he’s done just 13% of the job he’s touted on his highest priority projects.

    The governor’s office did not respond to multiple requests for comment over the course of two weeks, including a 500 word email that laid out the investigation’s findings.

    The head of Cal Fire, Chief Thom Porter, did grant an interview. He acknowledged the figures cited by Newsom were incorrect and took responsibility for the governor’s misstatements. Porter, who stood behind Newsom at a series of press conferences where the governor boasted of his accomplishments, said Cal Fire had neither “done our job in educating the public, nor the governor’s office” about how to talk about its wildfire prevention efforts.

    Porter also confirmed the agency had fallen short of its fuel reduction goals in 2020. “It’s not something that I’m comfortable with,” he said. “It is something that I’m working to reconcile and to correct for the future.”

    The 90,000 Acres That Weren’t
    Many of Newsom’s misrepresentations revolve around 35 “priority projects,” which Cal Fire launched in February 2019 as a result of Newsom’s executive order.

    The projects selected, Cal Fire said, would protect 200 communities that were especially vulnerable to wildfire. The projects ran the length of the state — from a fuel break in the shrublands around the community of Crest, east of El Cajon in San Diego County, to cutting back foliage along major routes in and out of the town of Lake Shastina, in Siskiyou County, near the Oregon border.

    As required by Newsom’s executive order, the agency said it paid particular attention to equity — focusing on areas with high “poverty levels, residents with disabilities, language barriers, residents over 65 or under five years of age, and households without a car.”

    Officially, the projects totaled about 90,000 acres. That’s well short of the amount of forestland experts say needs treatment in California, but it would have substantially increased Cal Fire’s prevention output compared to past years.

    In early 2020, Newsom declared mission accomplished.

    “The projects collectively have treated 90,000 acres,” states a January 2020 press release from the governor’s office. “Work included removal of hazardous dead trees, vegetation clearing, creation of fuel breaks and community defensible spaces, and creation of ingress and egress corridors.”

    But the data analyzed by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom show that Cal Fire treated a small fraction of that amount, 11,399 acres, or about 13% of the amount cited by Newsom.

    In Mendocino County, for example, CalFire’s public reports said its Ukiah Fuels Reduction project, which included fuel breaks and forest thinning in the hills west of Highway 101, covered a sprawling 26,541 acres. But the agency’s data obtained by CapRadio and NPR’s California Newsroom showed the agency did work on just 734 of them.

 
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